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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 20:55:00 -
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Moments ago the Ushra'khan delivered a simulcast broadcast covering over seventy hostile solar systems in Imperial territoroes, Providence and Catch.
A recording of the broadcast follows.
Quote: This, is the voice of the Ushra'Khan. Today we deliver a message to the denizens of Slaver Providence & Catch.
Heed these words.
This message is being relayed across Sylph territories and into the wider Providence and Catch holdings of the Slaver and his allies.
As I speak to you here, my brothers speak with me across the span of light years.
We speak in unison, with many voices but one message.
Many of those listening to this may never had heard its like before. You may not know why our ships stalk this space, ever watching and hunting.
Of late the 'Kari pipe' has undergone heavy interdiction by our forces, but do you know why? Do you know where this began, pilot?
Listen well and learn our story. Understand the why and choose where you stand with care and knowledge of the facts.
It has now been over three years since we first deployed our forces into the Providence region.
Many hearing this broadcast likely cannot imagine how much this region has changed since then.
When we came; there was nothing here. Nothing but scattered pirates, a handful of small time Capsuleer prospectors. And the Slavers.
The Sansha had long lurked out here on the fringes of Empire, but we did not come for those zombified drones, those walking relics...
We came because the Capsuleers of Amarr had begun their so-called 'Operation Deliverance'.
Amarrian Imperialists seeking to expand their holdings and spread the foul practice of slavery in the name of a twisted god.
They began to settle in the south, expanding their way out of Misaba. We in turn moved into the north, out of the Thukker outposts in Derelik.
It was there that we chose to draw the line, and there we began to build a counter point to Imperial expansion.
It was there, in 9UY4-H, that we raised Unity Station, only the second outpost to be constructed in the region.
The space about us was founded as free space. Any who did not support the slaver were welcome within our borders.
This might surprise you, but even today we operate as 'NRDS' outside of Providence and Catch.
For a time there was a balance. But eventually the Slaver pushed closer to Unity Station until they were ready to assault it openly.
It was then that we saw the true worth of our friends... and sometimes their failings.
As the Slaver's power grew we saw swift changes come to Providence.
For a long time we had supported our neighbours, sometimes to our own detriment and distraction. While some joined our fight others remained neutral, and this we respected.
Two years ago, the Sylph Alliance repaid this respect by choosing to side with the Slaver when the tide of battle turned against us.
When things were at their most bleak, they openly turned to side with the Slaver. On that day Sylph earned themselves a special place in our memory.
There can be no forgiveness for the traitor.
We have been asked by some in Sylph why we pursue them so tenaciously, why we single them out amongst our enemies after so long.
It is because we take loyalty very seriously indeed. We stand by our allies even through the hard times.
The world can slander us for our choice but we shall ever stand by those choices and that commitment.
We do not throw our friends to the wolves for mere expediency.
So we will not forgive those who have done this to us, especially when that choice sees them standing shoulder to shoulder with the Slaver.
For Sylph there can be no forgiveness. And there shall be no mercy or quarter given. We shall pursue them to the end.
There will be no negotiation until the entity known as Sylph is no more.
The Journal; Walking The Road To liberation |

Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 20:55:00 -
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Quote: That shall be the punishment for their crime. To be a mere footnote in the history of greater men.
But you, Providence dweller, what of you? What is your crime that we so hunt you?
Since the day Unity Station fell, Providence has been the domain of the Slaver, answering to his law.
That law might seem agreeable to you, Pod Pilot, for your needs. But have you looked deeper?
This space is beholden to the laws of the Imperialists and the teachings of their twisted beliefs.
It is your presence that fuels their expansion.
Your commerce and your coin that forges fresh chains to bind innocent men to lives in servitude.
You are complicit in their crimes. By your acquiescence they commit atrocity.
It is by this failure to accept responsibility that you became our enemy. And that is why you shall ever be our quarry while you live under the rule of Slavers.
But for you, perhaps, there remains a way out.
You are free to remove yourselves from this conflict. You are free to choose again.
Depart Providence and our quarrel with you is done. Go, remove yourselves from this tainted place and find an honest home, one not built upon the backs of slaves.
Or stay, and fight alongside us for a better world. A world where all peoples of New Eden live unfettered and free of the stinging lash. Perhaps, pilot, it is not too late for you to choose more justly.
But for the traitor, there is only blood. The war goes on and continues to grow.
Our strikes on your installations shall continue. We are watching you closer than ever.
We are finding your lapses and exploiting them at every opportunity. We are the knife, lingering so near to your throat, ever waiting for your guard to slip.
The war shall go on, there shall be no respite, no safety to be found in Providence nor in Empire.
You have made your choice and you shall be held to its consequences. The years might pass but our resolve and conviction does not.
We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people.
The Journal; Walking The Road To liberation |

Wotlankor
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:06:00 -
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Let it be heard and let it be heeded.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:08:00 -
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We speak as one. Heed our call.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:11:00 -
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We are the Ushra'Khan!
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Takeno Konda
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:11:00 -
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We come for our people!
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T Marvin
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:12:00 -
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We Come For Our People!
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General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:12:00 -
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Stand up, as one! We shall tolerate this no longer!
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:14:00 -
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blood for freedom!
we come for our people.
Quote:
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Ares Morgan
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:15:00 -
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Traitors will fall before the red fist..
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:16:00 -
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We come for our people!
-- Becq Starforged
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |

Rin Kaeda
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:21:00 -
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We come for our people , my brothers in arms , the ones freed and specially the ones still enslaved!
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Maurok Ortega
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:26:00 -
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We come for our people!
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Silvanix
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:29:00 -
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Blood for Freedom!
We come for our people!
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Christianos
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:34:00 -
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Freedom to all Minmitari!!
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Forlorn Wongraven
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:12:00 -
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We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people.
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Rocius
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:16:00 -
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*Rocius grins as he listens to the message*
Well spoken gentlemen. I wish you all the best and hope to hear more of this.
This.... is exactly what I have missed hearing from U'K.
May your hulls keep speed, and your autocannons track well.
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William Pierce
Caldari Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:26:00 -
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We will fight to the death, and we will never back down.
We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people!
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:26:00 -
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We stand as one!
Let My People Go |

Ikar Kaltin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:01:00 -
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I see how time dulls the memory of the Ushra'khan. Either that or the terrorists twist the truth to suit their own purpose, either way you teach the history of events wrong.
What caused Sylph to side with the Holy amarrian cause was not their betrayal of you, but instead your betrayal of them. You allowed pirates to operate out of 9UY, to raid their space and destroy their ships. You sheltered these pirates and refused to allow Sylph to retaliate within 9UY where these vile fiends operated from. You forced them to openly oppose you to oppose those whom you sheltered. And where do these pirates reside now? Within your very ranks! but many of you terrorist dogs may not remember that far back, many have become disillusioned and left to better things, and in their place sit those who create the past to suit themselves, instead of learning from it.
Its funny how such a thing as the truth can become distorted to fit your own view for your newer recruits who don't know better. Then again, your terrorists. Your not particulary well educated.
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pygonis
Gallente CORE Elements Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:11:00 -
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We come for our people!
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ice sect
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:13:00 -
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save yourselves the trouble of coming for your people. get back into your rightful place of slavery and you wont have to go far to find them.
amarr victor and stuff
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Kura Accipter
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:20:00 -
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We are as one!
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:21:00 -
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truth has a nasty habit of coming back to light when so many who were actually there are still about.
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:48:00 -
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holy **** on a ****ing sandwich with **** ontop and a side order of ****.
There are slaves in Providence?!?!?!?!
But really, I find this threat minimal at best. I've seen it all before.
- Commander Starkiler
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin I see how time dulls the memory of the Ushra'khan. Either that or the terrorists twist the truth to suit their own purpose, either way you teach the history of events wrong. ....
I'm sure that Sylph don't need you to fight for them in a war of words as well Ikar....
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Then again, your terrorists. Your not particulary well educated.
Well now, this is mild hypocracy coming from a man who places his trust in a mythological being, and commits crimes against humanity in it's name.
How irrational.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:37:00 -
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We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people!
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Then again, your terrorists. Your not particulary well educated.
I bolded the biggest errors in your text that stem from bad education. Ironic is it not that whilst ranting about our education you should make such simple mistakes?
Perhaps less preaching from your priests and more learning is required? Then again were you to learn basic spelling perhaps you might engage your brain in other areas too, the ones that would show fabrications within your own books for example.
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Tar Kovsky
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You allowed pirates to operate out of 9UY, to raid their space and destroy their ships.
Our policy was quite clear; anyone basing out of Unity Station had to observe our rules (NRDS) inside U'K sovereign space. We did not attempt to dictate their behavior outside our space.
Isn't that basically the same policy that CVA has, with the caveat that CVA claims all of Providence and low-security Derelik as "their space"? --
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky
Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You allowed pirates to operate out of 9UY, to raid their space and destroy their ships.
Our policy was quite clear; anyone basing out of Unity Station had to observe our rules (NRDS) inside U'K sovereign space. We did not attempt to dictate their behavior outside our space.
Isn't that basically the same policy that CVA has, with the caveat that CVA claims all of Providence and low-security Derelik as "their space"?
splitting that hair mighty thin aren't we now?
I personally thought this was a hilarious moment in history.
Sylph did what any group would do to protect its own members, you run "space" you have to keep house.
that whole rise up and over throw the corrupt masters bit...always makes me chuckle |

Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss that whole rise up and over throw the corrupt masters bit...always makes me chuckle
Why exactly are you a member of SF, for the laughs?
By all means continue to defend our enemies though, you always were a buffoon.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin
What caused Sylph to side with the Holy amarrian cause was not their betrayal of you, but instead your betrayal of them. You allowed pirates to operate out of 9UY, to raid their space and destroy their ships.
My corporation was one of those 'pirate' groups at the time. And you, sir, are wrong and hypocritcal.
U'K treated my corporation in exactly the same way as Sylph - we were ordered to observe NRDS within U'K sovereign space, which we did. Sylph alliance, however, were unable to control their pilots effectively, and they were witnessed by U'K opening fire on my corporation in NRDS space. We retaliated.
It was Sylph alliance who broke the deal, not us. And the Ushra'Khan treated both parties fairly, and with the same rules. We had to to match the U'K standings list in U'K space and observe NRDS - this is exactly the same system CVA use in their own space.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 08:32:00 -
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We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people!
_ Mirkur Draug'tyr - the window to your target recruiting -forum
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.08.03 08:36:00 -
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10 out of 10 for style, but minus several million for accuracy.
Just a couple of questions based around your statement.
1, Sylph is currently made up of both leadership and members who were not present during the CVA v UK war. Is this a case of just sour grapes now ?
2, Was this outburst of nationalistic pride prompted by any particular event ? Have Sylph made peace overtures and this is your response ?
3, Your members may bad mouth Sylph as traitors and cowards, yet they still seem to hold Promethia station AND have added more stations. Who are the "Winners"? Your killboard statistics or their space holding ability?
4, What now for U'K ? More "supply chain" attacks? or will you be executing something more than a campaign of minor irritation? Can we expect to see the glorious sight of U'K capital size vessels engaging in Sylph space?
On a seperate note to Butter Dog, I don't think any entity would remain neutral to their neighbours when they allow attackers to sortie from their stations. Sylph tried diplomatic channels but were ignored. U'K left them no choice but to pick a side. Good job they picked the winners really 
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 03/08/2009 09:23:47
Mr. Nutmunch,
Your words might carry more weight if you had made more than 2 transmission in the last few years. For whom do you speak?
Even so, please expand on the "inaccuracy" you accuse us of.
Though I must ask, have you never even heard of the cyno jammers which these slavers deploy?
Let My People Go |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Insane Nutmunch
On a seperate note to Butter Dog, I don't think any entity would remain neutral to their neighbours when they allow attackers to sortie from their stations. Sylph tried diplomatic channels but were ignored. U'K left them no choice but to pick a side. Good job they picked the winners really 
It was you who opened fire on us, in U'K NRDS space. Not the other way around. You certainly have paid a price for that betrayal.
As for picking the winning side, step back and look at Sylph alliance. Look at the state of it.
Since U'K started a focused campaign against you, you have lost over half your members. 600 pilots voted with their feet and left for greener pastures. And all the time, U'K grow stronger. Daily, we control your space, and incapacitate stations services at will. We reinforce your POS, and steal unanchoring towers. We deny you your mining grounds. We remove safe passage in Empire.
You impotently stand by, because your worthless husk of an alliance cannot counter us. You are weak, desperate, and collapsing internally. Your last active FC resigned only days ago due to your staggering incompetence.
It is by the grace of others that you hold space at all. U'K are the oldest alliance in New Eden. We will never die, we shall never tire, we will never stop humiliating you. We remember your betrayal and we know your weaknesses.
Only in death will your alliance ever know peace.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:35:00 -
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I'm immensely heartened by both the success and the persistence of the Ushra'khan campaigns in Providence against the hired holders plugging space for the CVA slavemasters. While brave warriors refuse to give up this fight hope remains for the benighted region and one day Providence may be free again.
Be assured friends and allies of the Ushra'khan. The day will come when the Star Fraction will fly with you again against these dogs and cowards all and there we'll hear a great lamentation of their women.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |

Octavinus Augustus
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:50:00 -
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Dear pilots of the Ushra'Khan:
We also come for your people....
Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt. |

Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tarac Nor on 03/08/2009 11:08:28 Edited by: Tarac Nor on 03/08/2009 11:05:44 Dearest CVA pilots and supporters:
I come for your ship, your pod, and your clones.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus We also come for your people....
Hmm ... where exactly?
Let My People Go |

Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:54:00 -
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Karn grins
We'll look forward to that day Jade, respect to the free captains.
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Dear pilots of the Ushra'Khan:
We also come for your people....
In the words of someone somewhere once ...
"Ahhh, finally, a man worth killing"
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Dan Deoxys
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:10:00 -
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"4, What now for U'K ? More "supply chain" attacks? or will you be executing something more than a campaign of minor irritation? Can we expect to see the glorious sight of U'K capital size vessels engaging in Sylph space? "
In answer to your question i think the campagian of minor irritation is working very nicely.Nothing quiet like a hornet in your spiced wine to spoil your morning.
As you well know the warriors of Urisha'Khan are worth many times the quality of Sylph pilots but we are well aware of the numbers that will come running to help them defend what they themselves cannot defend. Even the bravest of warriors,after leaving a trail of destruction the likes of which legend's are made, will fall to a lucky shot from a rabble of farmers with nothing more than pitchforks.
There are larger interested parties that would not allow the positioning of openly hostile forces so close to their borders. Oh but for the chance to go head to head without other parties intervening, two alliances closely matched in members, both with the same goals - oh wait that's not quite right is it ?
I have a damned good idea where the clever money would be if this were a two horse race. 
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Dear pilots of the Ushra'Khan:
We also come for your people....
I'm with you on this one.
-Commander Starkiler
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Deoxys "I have a damned good idea where the clever money would be if this were a two horse race. "
But it isn't, so what are you going to do about it? All your bluster about U'K being soley responsible for Sylph's dropping numbers is just that - Bluster.
They will just recruit more "newbs" to null sec space or pick up corps from the never ending reorganisation which occurs in New Eden.
So, I'll ask the question in it's simple form. Are you as U'K going to step up, regain space and actually "DO" something or are you going to "Spin" away as usual and just be a minor irritation to the holders of Providence and Catch ?
It's time to Flush or get off the pot, Your rethoric has become boring and predictable.
3 Posts now - Thats a 50% increase in a few hours - Am I more credible ?
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 13:04:00 -
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yes nutmunch, if you ask a few more questions I'll give you a detailed outline of our plan based on suprise and out maneuvering a larger enemy force. Then we'll deploy static assets within your jump bridgeable space, and then we'll just keep doing it again and again and again....
U'K doesn't take full credit for Sylph's current predicament. The lack of support from their allies, the untimely demise of their command staff due to internal strife, the distinct lack of coordination that has been shown at maintaining key infrastructure these past months... these are all factors that have led to nearly half of Sylph alliance membership leaving in the past months. Having recieved several communiques from departing Sylph members however, I feel quite confident that we have helped them to realise we take betrayal somewhat personally.
You ask us straight if we're going to deploy and take Sylph space. I ask you why the providence bloc haven't defended better against our attacks? Sylph has suffered far more in these attacks than other amarrian holder groups and still they are left to fend alone. Whilst i'm sure you'd like a full frontal war against a force 1/10th the size of the provi bloc, we're quite happy with our successful guerilla warfare which quite clearly works.
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.08.03 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine Then we'll deploy static assets within your jump bridgeable space.
See that's your mistake there, I'm not asking you to lay off Sylph, quite the opposite infact! I would like to see U'K regain it's past status and glory rather than just philabustering.
On the one hand you suggest that the other members of the Provi Block Blob have left Sylph out to dry, but then profess that you are unable to attack Sylph because you are outnumbered.
So again I ask, which is it? Are you going to flounder in heartfelt, but useless words, or do you have a spine to back these words up with deeds of valour and glory?
You come for our people, but you leave them hanging in slavery with your inaction. Is it time for a more worthy organisation to now take the mantle of "Freedom" fighters to allow U'K to concentrate on their main occupation as GalNet Gossips.
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 03/08/2009 14:11:48
Originally by: Tar Kovsky
Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You allowed pirates to operate out of 9UY, to raid their space and destroy their ships.
Our policy was quite clear; anyone basing out of Unity Station had to observe our rules (NRDS) inside U'K sovereign space. We did not attempt to dictate their behavior outside our space.
Isn't that basically the same policy that CVA has, with the caveat that CVA claims all of Providence and low-security Derelik as "their space"?
hardin has been claiming derelik fore years now tho cant see any changes or them patroling the space lanes, when talking about claims i just remeberd a fella that claimed he had trained a slaver dog to pick food from his mouth....didnt go to well the dog was feed tho
Gatecamp rock |

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 03/08/2009 14:15:29 nutmunch, you seem to have a way with selective wording. The answer to your question is that it is both, as I stated. The effort required for CVA and co to form up a giant grouping and hit a static asset at the time of their choosing is relatively little. The effort required to keep sylph space viable and protected is significantly more and quite rightly is the responsibility first and foremost of Sylph.
edit: you seem stuck with this belief that we have to take their space to deny them the use of it... how much does the infrastructure to hold that space cost do you reckon? And where does the income come to keep it going? I'd vouch that running the same infrastructure with half as many people is quite a strain right now :)
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:14:00 -
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Intel I'm receiving says the Kari interdiction has worked nicely. Well done U'K!
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |

Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:25:00 -
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Rumor has it that X-Bob / Kenny Corporations are entering factional warefare, maybe they can get some thrashers and rifters sent down to help UK actually get some of thier people.
This alleged Sylph backstabbing of UK reminds me of long rimmed roe manuer, can you smell it? I think everyone can.
Seems facts speak for themselves, UK were not able to control Pirates they hired to protect thier assets during the siege of unity, some went awry in Sylph space, self admittedly Bitter speaks of NRDS in UK space only, so Sylph space was fair game at the time.
Sylph retaliated, crossed boarders chasing hostiles from thier space like any compotent space holding Alliance would, what else could they do? nothing? We all think and know not.
Having no further choice, Sylph sided with those who actually showed spine and true friendship aka the Proviblock, UK got bitter over thier hired henchmen who were out of control and Sylph who had to defend thier citizens and space from the Pirating hoards employed by UK to prolong the enevidable.
It is quite simple, UK shot themsleves in the foot, blame Sylph, and are bitter of thier complete failure as a space holding entity with that diplomatic blunderfluk.
Maybe you can go back to Immensia and "hold" some more stations for friends before your -A- Overlords tell you you cant have them and to leave them alone or else.
So you shot up some haulers, ratters, and were generally a pain in Sylphs backside, good work, so how many of your people did you recover?

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Cribb
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Dinaahk Elam Rumor has it that X-Bob / Kenny Corporations are entering factional warefare
This isnot a rumour, if you cared to check IGS. You would have seen this is a fact.
We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people. ------- When in doubt, play loud
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:51:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sapphrine how much does the infrastructure to hold that space cost do you reckon? And where does the income come to keep it going? I'd vouch that running the same infrastructure with half as many people is quite a strain right now :)
At last we agree, Although I am a cup half full kind of person. With certain corporations leaving Sylph, there will be a mad rush to take up the moon gold they will be giving up. The revenue from these moons are worth billions per week. With the number of members leaving, and the added infrastructure logistical requirements, I am sure you will see Deathstars being retasked to mining.
You now have a window of opportunity, between sovereignty reorganisation, but before new corporations join to reinforce their stranglehold over our brothers.
So what will it be, Rhetoric or Results? Making the slavers pay, or making love to your Kill/Death ratios ?
The choice is yours? Lay back on the laurels of what you were 2 years ago, Or actually go and do something both worthy AND resent.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 15:31:00 -
[54]
"We come for our people", not "we come for some stations". |

Dan Deoxys
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:08:00 -
[55]
"So what will it be, Rhetoric or Results? Making the slavers pay, or making love to your Kill/Death ratios ? "
Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought we were making the slavers pay. Every time a ratting ship or hauler gets destroyed we move a step closer, a little at a time. Mighty oaks come from small acorns.
If given the choice of weapon in a duel against a mortal foe would you choose a claymore or rapier ? With the claymore you could cleave him in half with one stroke. Over and done with or would you choose the rapier knowing that you can finish him at any time but want to look into his eyes each time the rapier strikes, until reality finally sinks in to your opponent that all hope is gone ?
Former slaves can sometimes get carried away with blood lust, a small price to pay.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Insane Nutmunch
On the one hand you suggest that the other members of the Provi Block Blob have left Sylph out to dry, but then profess that you are unable to attack Sylph because you are outnumbered.
We are attacking Sylph daily. We maintain a constant presence in their systems. We incap their station services at our whim. We reinforce POS. We steal assets. We destroy their defence fleets. We camp their jump bridges. We remove the safety net of CONCORD in Empire. We remove their ability to make ISK from their already worthless space.
And it is indeed worthless space. It would cost more in POS fuel than could be generated from it. U'K do not want Sylphs space. We've turned down offers of far better space in the recent past, why in the name New Eden would we wish for that desolate strip of Catch with its barren moons, desolate belts, and low ranking sansha pirates?
What we want, is simply revenge.
We already know our strategy to work. The facts, and the Sylph deserters, speak for themselves. It is impossible to counter, intelligent, and effective. And it shall continue.
I'm sure ProvidenceBloc would love the chance to raise a 500 man fleet if we were to deploy large control towers in IS-R, or something equally ludicrous. It won't happen. It does not need to happen.
Watch and learn my dear 'observer', perhaps you will learn the true art of effective guerilla combat.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:22:00 -
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Ushra Khan is happy to harbor murderers, psychopaths and pirates, as long as they don't murder people in UK's own back yard? I would have to be morally bankrupt myself before I let murderers operating out of my house and turn a blind eye, let alone consider them friends or allies.
Additionally, you indiscriminately kill pilots in Providence, even pilots who might be merely passing through, on account that the mere presence in Providence indicates support for CVA? Knowing that Providence is open space?
Again, I would have to be morally bankrupt to kill people I don't even know solely on the account that I saw them walking in front of the house of someone I hate.
As for traitors, from your transmission it would seem you dislike Sylph more than CVA, is this true?
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |

Eno Lacigol
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:27:00 -
[58]
If your not happy with the life of a slave, we can gladly give you the death of one.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:36:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Insane Nutmunch
blabla blublubb...
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:54:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Butter Dog
What we want, is simply revenge.
Do you speak for the whole of U'K in this statement that you are only doing this for revenge and not for the heroic and noble cause of freeing our enslaved breathern.
I disagree, you have underestimated the value of that part of catch.
As an avid observer of New Eden, I have yet to observe you being on a winning side, with the exception of removing UCE. Perhaps this shall be fun to watch as you again fail to meet your objectives and retreat to lick your wounds.
But credit where credits due, You always take a licking and come back kicking.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:06:00 -
[61]
Edited by: zoolkhan on 03/08/2009 17:06:53
Originally by: Merdaneth I would have to be morally bankrupt myself before I let murderers operating out of my house
Is it because you need your murderes inside your house so they can continue to harass my kinsmen?
Quote: Additionally, you indiscriminately kill pilots in Providence, even pilots who might be merely passing through,
I got news for you - jita , ammamake and rens are "pass through" systems - whomever comes to providence has all intentions but to "pass through".
You knew it, i knew it - now your brainwash customers know it as well.
Quote: Again, I would have to be morally bankrupt to kill people I don't even know solely on the account that I saw them walking in front of the house of someone I hate.
for the slow learner, we kill people because they actively support slavery with what they do, and although we keep reminding and educating people beforehands - some still dont get the message, or choose to ignore the message or deliberately aid the slaver cause for their own greed (rat rights if you help repell the freedom fighters)
that is not equal to "people walk in front of some house"
Quote: As for traitors, from your transmission it would seem you dislike Sylph more than CVA, is this true?
Thats a tough quiestion, i assume there is no unified answer to that - and i try to be honest with you because your question seem to come honest as well.
I personally would answer "yes"
An enemy who fights for their belief, and uphold their stated principles - may it be as mislead and unfortunate as in the case of CVA -certainly deserve some respect unlike the traitor, who side according to the weather with the winning side and goes from blue to red overnight and then later continues to dance like a muppet to the music of the CVA (i dont blame the cva, they orchestrated rather well) .... these people were ****roaches.
Dont get me wrong, CVA has also a permanent place in our memory. Their time will come. first things first.
Meantime i hope EM will take care of the likes of PIE :-) I am sure you have a permanent place in their memory. Perhaps you should worry for your own safety.
recruiting -forum
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namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:17:00 -
[62]
oh, what a bunch of lowlife terrorist scumbags! these matari disease-ridden dogs should be shown their place once again. and their rightful place is only in the cagoholds of salvaging vessels cleaning the debris in space.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:18:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Insane Nutmunch
I disagree, you have underestimated the value of that part of catch.
As I explained to you, we have been offered better space very recently, and turned those offers down. So why would we want that worthless strip of space in Northern Catch.
I'm not underestimating it's value at all. I helped build the IS-R outpost 3 years ago. I have complete moons scans. I know the precise value of that area of space.
If Sylph deserted the region tomorrow, we would not anchor towers or claim the space. It is worth nothing to us. Our only wish is to see Sylph die a slow and painful death. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Golden Toaster
Amarr Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:09:00 -
[64]
What?? Slaves!?
Right at our doorstep?
Fetch my whip!
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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:40:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Ugleb on 03/08/2009 19:40:49
Originally by: Ikar Kaltin I see how time dulls the memory of the Ushra'khan. Either that or the terrorists twist the truth to suit their own purpose, either way you teach the history of events wrong.
What caused Sylph to side with the Holy amarrian cause was not their betrayal of you, but instead your betrayal of them. You allowed pirates to operate out of 9UY, to raid their space and destroy their ships. You sheltered these pirates and refused to allow Sylph to retaliate within 9UY where these vile fiends operated from. You forced them to openly oppose you to oppose those whom you sheltered. And where do these pirates reside now? Within your very ranks! but many of you terrorist dogs may not remember that far back, many have become disillusioned and left to better things, and in their place sit those who create the past to suit themselves, instead of learning from it.
Its funny how such a thing as the truth can become distorted to fit your own view for your newer recruits who don't know better. Then again, your terrorists. Your not particulary well educated.
You expect us to relate detailed and complex history over the course of a fifteen minute speech and still find time to speak of the present? Perhaps I lack the Amarrian love of a long monologue.
My memory is not at fault, only recently I related this chapter of history publically and in a more suitable context.
Originally by: Insane Nutmunch 10 out of 10 for style, but minus several million for accuracy.
Just a couple of questions based around your statement.
1, Sylph is currently made up of both leadership and members who were not present during the CVA v UK war. Is this a case of just sour grapes now ?
2, Was this outburst of nationalistic pride prompted by any particular event ? Have Sylph made peace overtures and this is your response ?
3, Your members may bad mouth Sylph as traitors and cowards, yet they still seem to hold Promethia station AND have added more stations. Who are the "Winners"? Your killboard statistics or their space holding ability?
4, What now for U'K ? More "supply chain" attacks? or will you be executing something more than a campaign of minor irritation? Can we expect to see the glorious sight of U'K capital size vessels engaging in Sylph space?
On a seperate note to Butter Dog, I don't think any entity would remain neutral to their neighbours when they allow attackers to sortie from their stations. Sylph tried diplomatic channels but were ignored. U'K left them no choice but to pick a side. Good job they picked the winners really 
Curious words for a member of the TLF who was still in the RMS classroom when the events he speaks of happened. Why the antagonism Vehrokior? I fail to see why you think that we lack in accuracy here.
Many of of the Sylph leaders and membership have changed over the past two years, yes. Their executor who was a senior leader back then very recently departed, but he had been there these past two years. When you join an alliance, you join it in knowledge of what it is and how it came to be. If you do not, you are a fool. Once you know where the alliance comes from, and choose to stay, then you accept responsibility for being a part of that. You do not join a pirate corp and profess to be anti-pirate, do you?
Why did this speech come now? Because we are currently prosecuting a focused campaign and sought to educate our foe about what they should already know. That they are a part of the problem in Providence.
As for respecting neutrality, I recall CVA and their allied pilots using Promethia as a resupply post while attacking our former station Karishal's Defiance. Yet we still did not call Sylph to account for that. So yes, there are some who would respect neutrality. It was us, to our own detriment.
The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation |

Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:56:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Cribb
Originally by: Dinaahk Elam Rumor has it that X-Bob / Kenny Corporations are entering factional warefare
This isnot a rumour, if you cared to check IGS. You would have seen this is a fact.
We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people.
Still does not answer my inquiry, how many of your people were you able to recover ?

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Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:57:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Xennith "We come for our people", not "we come for some stations".
Again, in your last campaign of "revenge" How many of your people did you recover ?

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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:19:00 -
[68]
I personally saved 36 slaves in my last combat action. Why? |

Gigaer
Minmatar COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:28:00 -
[69]
We come for our people!
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Friek
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:29:00 -
[70]
I rescued a CVA gallente POS that was unanchored how many slaves do you think it takes to run one of those??? id say at least 100 ohh and liberated a archon the next day at least 200 in those so at least 300 slaves freed in the last 2 days!!!! Where r ur gods now foolish amarr
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:56:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Chooch Chooch on 04/08/2009 00:06:27 Edited by: Chooch Chooch on 04/08/2009 00:05:21 ôSince U'K started a focused campaign against you, you have lost over half your members. 600 pilots voted with their feet and left for greener pastures. And all the time, U'K grows stronger. Daily, we control your space, and incapacitate stations services at will. We reinforce your POS, and steal unanchoring towers. We deny you your mining grounds. We remove safe passage in Empire.ö ButterDog I being not only one of the executors but of one of the corporations who have recently left Sylph would like to get some records straight. I have fought UK on many levels this past year and although they believe their cause to be just and they do have some true warriors. They are not the reason for corporations and members leaving Sylph. You may wish to think that is so but it is not. Those of who left have left because of our own reasons most fall behind Drakmor who was the glue that held Sylph together. Once he stepped down and left due to accusations of various CEOÆs within Sylph claiming he did not do anything, and blaming him for their own pilots inactivity, the rest followed.
I and my corporation which I can speak directly for refused to see Sylph become what it is becoming. Once Drakmor resigned I spoke to those leaders of my corporation and decided to leave as well. Drakmor offered to help Kueen1 during the transition, as did the rest of us. However certain CEOÆs were concerned that Drakmor would steal form the alliance or worse disband it. This caused many of those left to immediately leave and get out with our dignity intact. Kueen1 has taken over and has a tough challenge ahead, however the infighting and me first mentality within Sylph is not something that many of choose to be part of.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:06:00 -
[72]
As for UshraÆKhan warriors and fighters your cloaking in systems is a nuisance nothing more, your attacks on miners and ratters truly gave the pvp force (the ones who actually fought you) a great load of laughs especially reading the kill board fits. Past attacks on when you came in with force were met with equal and greater force, and no we did not always blob you. I have led several fights against with you with equal and lesser numbers at the onset. However when we could blob yes we did, you cloaked, and we blobbed. I look at it no difference as if someone came to my home in Luminiere as a child, If you were not part of our gang and stepped foot in my neighborhood 20 of us would come out and stomp on your head till it popped. I chose to defend Sylph space the same way. Your recent attacks on outposts that have occurred while I stepped down and was leaving from what I saw did nothing but bring those remaining in Sylph closer together as it forces them to work together not against each other. So if you wish to make them stronger keep them up. If you want to see them be gone leave them to their own devises. Do not get me wrong I mean no disrespect to you, your pilots, or your tactics, only do not take credit for that with which you have nothing to do with. It cheapens all that you have accomplished and done.
As for what happened in your war with CVA I know not, as I was not there. However you have several ex Sylph member who were in your alliance as a matter of fact I believe you have more members in your alliance than Sylph does that was with Sylph at that time. I do not think anyone is left. I did research for many hours and days for the cause, and yes it came down to those who came to defend you and according to those in Sylph it was the allies of UK that fired first, according to UK it was Sylph who fired first. According to one source a red status was made overnight, diploÆs from either side were talking trying to straighten it out and then decided for giggles let it stand. UshraÆKhan lost and then began their campaign of terror. I remember reading an old transmission from Butterdog explaining exactly what they would do and you have done it. However it seems your anger has twisted the facts. As time changes so unfortunately do memories. But that is neither the point. The issue is Sylph is cascading very well on its own without your help. They may profess getting rid of dead weight when the most active participants in the alliance leave.
I have rambled on enough I am sure however after a year of not being allowed to post on galnet as was Sylph policy I guess I had a lot to say. I will stop now not to bore you. However to The warriors of UshraÆKhan you know how I feel it has been fun coming up with some really bad jokes at your expense, I will miss it.
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ice sect
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:48:00 -
[73]
if you people are so intent on coming for your people feel free to voluntarily submit yourselves to the joyous task that is subjugation to the amarr way and youll be all up close and personal with your people. you know you want to. i cant think of any other reason that you people constantly infest amarr space yapping barely coherent digital diarrhea in local and littering the space lanes with all the broken parts that are constantly falling off your cloaked space-hoopties when the duct tape wears off.
who you callin' you people.
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:54:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, you indiscriminately kill pilots in Providence, even pilots who might be merely passing through, on account that the mere presence in Providence indicates support for CVA? Knowing that Providence is open space?
Open space? Open space to me defines it as one with freedom to do what one wishes. Open space is certainly not subject to laws for if it was how can it be open space?
Of course you could define open space with a set of rules too, although it is admittedly far less open with those rules.
How about "Greater Providence is open for transit, commerce, faction bounty hunting and asteroid mining to all pilots, corporations, and alliances who obey the law"
Now to me the words "Commerce" and "obey the law" stand out the most. Commerce of course being only viable in one way, that of CVA stations, therefore supplying the coffers of the slavers with the much vaunted isk to do whatever it is slavers do with it.
Now colour me purple if I don't find that a reason to wage war on these "innocent bystanders" that help the slavers wage war on other with monies supplied from these travellers.
Oh and should PIE members wish to find the other laws such as:
"No pilot, corporation or alliance shall initiate an attack against another unless that pilot, corporation or alliance is expressly wanted on the Deliverance KOS List" - Open space? Hmm not quite.
"No pilot, corporation or alliance shall anchor a station or outpost without the express permission of the constellation’s Administrator " - Open space?... No...
"Corporations shall be held accountable for the actions of their pilots and Alliances shall be held accountable for the actions of their corporations" - Open space? Well this one I agree with tbh, except it us that hold them accountable most times.
"CONCORD sanctioned wars shall not release a pilot, corporation or alliance from adherence to the law" - Open space that doesn't even acknowledge CONCORD sanctioned rights?
They can be found here: http://www.cva-eve.org/
Further more I think you will find we do not "indiscriminately kill". Far from it infact. We plan most of killing quite painstakingly over a deep roast coffee in my corporation at least :)
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Kirra Liu
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:33:00 -
[75]
Maestro Ulv, the points you make are just nitpicking at the words used i.e. open space. There is no true open space yet CVA and their allies have made Providence and a part of Northern Catch as open as possible. The rules in play in those areas are to provide a safer area for the general populace of New Eden to utilise for their own gain. Without the rules, most residents would no longer be there and the region would be in a state of constant hostility "and yes I know there are fights there, but nowhere near the scale that it would be if the rules didn't exist nor enforced". The KOS list is a necessary tool and without it the residents would have no idea who is friendly and who is a known hostile until it is too late. The rule about people not putting up towers or outposts without previou consent is again a measure that is needed to ensure the prolonged safety for residents in the area.
So to be brief, Providence is open space, open to all those that respect and follow the rules as laid out by the holders, who in return give people access to a vast number of systems, stations and services. Oh and the commerce that lines CVA's pockets, well I think it is more than fair that the holders make isk, after all it is their outposts, structures, time and ships that keep the region open to te general public.
"we do not "indiscriminately kill", I think we all know that Ushra'Khan do, in fact from my experience if you do not support U'K you are a valid target as far as your ROE goes in and around Providence.
Originally by: Chooch Chooch
However certain CEOÆs were concerned that Drakmor would steal form the alliance or worse disband it.
I wasn't aware of that and if that was the overall feeling of those leaders left in Sylph now then may it burn. Nothing but the utmost trust and respect for Drakmor and if it wasn't for him Sylph would have been gone and forgotten long ago.
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Cipher7
No Limit Productions
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Posted - 2009.08.04 03:17:00 -
[76]
Dear friends in UK,
I believe the "Burn Providence" policy to be counter-productive and short-sighted.
The people who today dock in 9uy know nothing of any cause, they dock because the station is THERE, they dock because it's a place to live and eak out a living. The CVA make it convenient for regular people to just show up and live.
The guerilla needs the common people like a fish needs water.
Freespace concept, anarcho-capitalism and anti-slavery are all aspects of the same cause, bolstering one bolsters the others.
My 2 isk
C7
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Clavius XIV
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 03:57:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ugleb
As for respecting neutrality, I recall CVA and their allied pilots using Promethia as a resupply post while attacking our former station Karishal's Defiance. Yet we still did not call Sylph to account for that. So yes, there are some who would respect neutrality. It was us, to our own detriment.
You recall incorrectly. In fact CVA had specific orders not to dock or use Promethia and to avoid passage through the system, despite the fact that we had docking privileges at the time (as did Ushra'Khan).
The main reasons for this directive? 1) CVA respected Sylph's neutrality and wanted to insure they remained neutral. Basing out of their stations to attack U'K would have put them in a position of having to chose between their relationship with us and with U'K, and since we would be instigating the diplomatic trouble for them it would be logical they would favor U'K. 2) In the event of a successful conquest of QR CVA did not want to set a precedent that would allow U'K to use Sylph's station and neutrality as a base to attack from and potentially recapture the station. By not using Sylph's station to attack QR it was believed that there would be a good case to bring before a presumably still neutral Sylph in the post QR period.
Of course CVA planning assumed that Sylph would remain neutral and that U'K would not antagonize them. At some point U'K calculated that they would be better off placating their pirate allies than with a neutral Sylph that was not harming them, but not helping them either. As a result rather than further constrain the actions of their allies (basing in the 9uy station), they allowed them to run amok in Sylph systems when not directly aiding the U'K war effort.
If Sylph could have be turned by U'K it would have been a significant wrench in CVA plans, but CVA went to great lengths ensure that we did nothing that might have compromised Sylph's neutral position.
Perhaps once U'K command realized that Sylph couldn't be turned and would stay neutral in the best case, they decided to burn the bridges, look the other way and allow their allies to use Sylph space as hunting grounds. Perhaps understandable given the dire circumstances... but to become indignant at Sylph's response is laughable given it is a situation that Ushra'Khan forced.
U'K could have easily had a neutral Sylph at the end of the high-intensity portion of the conflict, but either intentionally or through blunder they created the current antagonistic relationship.
So outrage at Sylph for treachery is misplaced... although I am sure it is useful within the ranks. A great excuse to beat up on relatively inexperienced capsuleer's to boost morale and beat the terrorist footsoilders into a frenzy, as long as they don't think to hard. Ushra'Khan leaders are to be commended for their shrewdness. However, the Vitoc method would have required less effort and been nearly as effective.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:16:00 -
[78]
Not saying what you said was making my face purple.
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Garst Tyrell
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:29:00 -
[79]
The Amarr Empire has lasted millenia by the grace of God. Millenia. Providence has resisted the insurgency of corrupt tribals for years and is stronger for it. The Amarr Empire is implaceable, and like God himself it will outlast the heresies and failings of heathens who shun his love and authority. Do you really think you are the first to proclaim the end of the Amarr, the end of civilization? What makes you so unique, so sure? Resisting the spread of the Word is like spitting into the tide--futile and soon forgotten. The Amarr empire is cemented with the blood of martyrs. Every sacrifice makes us stronger. We stand on the shoulders of the fallen, and I pledge my life and death to the greater glory of God and His will. To my brothers in Providence, I salute you. Stand firm and continue the work of God. To the misguided heathens of Ushra'Khan, I beg you to repent. I beg you embrace God as he longs to embrace you. Those of you that refuse will find no glory in death, no fame. Only eternal damnation and infamy await you in death, ignoble, callously squandered by your corrupt leaders. Repent before you die, because by then it will be all too late.
Hate the infidel! Burn the heretic! Amarr Victor! Amarr Eternus! Deus Vult. "I long for death, not because I seek peace, but because I seek the war eternal" |

Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:01:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Cipher7 The guerilla needs the common people like a fish needs water.
Oh we have the respect of the common people, thats why we grow (often from disillusioned ex-slaver supporters) and they shrink.
The truth once known sets many on the road to freedom, the gripesyou see here are the bitter few who refuse to wake up.
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Dan Deoxys
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:15:00 -
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Neutral ships that ply the trade lanes in Providence with CVA,SYPLH Friendly,Slaves are fun,splashed on the pod pilots bio unfortunatly become legitimate targets.
Ships that renounce slavery and Amarrian ways are treated with the respect they deserve and are allowed to go on their way. Unfortunatly I struggle to remember when we last encountered such a vessel, most are fully laden with the spoils from their illgotten gains. Hauling minerals and loot from stations owned and operated by slave masters means they have the same blood on their hands as if they had used the whip themselves.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:49:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Clavius XIV
Perhaps once U'K command realized that Sylph couldn't be turned and would stay neutral in the best case, they decided to burn the bridges, look the other way and allow their allies to use Sylph space as hunting grounds. Perhaps understandable given the dire circumstances... but to become indignant at Sylph's response is laughable given it is a situation that Ushra'Khan forced.
Actually, it was Sylph alliance who fired the first shot against Ushra'Khan, by attacking industrial POS installations (I believe in the VKI deadend). When U'K requested that Sylph cease their land grab, they refused, leading to open hostility.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Chooch Chooch However to The warriors of UshraÆKhan you know how I feel it has been fun coming up with some really bad jokes at your expense, I will miss it.
Chooch, thank you for expressing your views on Galnet. You were one of the few within Sylph alliance who had the nerves and skill for combat.
However, what I would say, is that although I agree that internal tensions are always the cause of alliances entering 'failure cascade', it is almost always external pressure and actions which acts as the tinder which causes the alliance to burn to the ground.
For corporations who reside in Sylph to make money from 0.0 space, denial of that space is exceptionally effective and leads to tensions. And we have already seen the last of the active FC's resign specifically because of our actions. Small evens like this build up into a bigger picture. We're happy to help speed things along to the natural conclusion.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

ChippieG60
Madison Industrial Co. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:42:00 -
[84]
i am pretty sure the first pos sylph attacked was the one in BR as it was good staging point for UK. sylph had set UK red a good week before any pos where hit and when we did i recived this gem.
2007.05.06 05:20 As i'm sure somone has told you by now, CVA are losing the fight in 9uy. So far they've failed to kill any of ours and lost 6 cap ships. We have Evoke, Outbreak, ENH, BUM, EST and U'K fighting as one. ATM i'm not feeling overly kind to Sylph and EST would like an OP(outpost). Think long and hard about firing on that pos or any of ours again.
-=Sapphrine=
i realy miss those days fighting hobo's and the uncertainty of what the future held
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 13:42:00 -
[85]
Originally by: ChippieG60 i am pretty sure the first pos sylph attacked was the one in BR as it was good staging point for UK.
I remember the first POS that Sylph assaulted, can't remember which system but thought it was a dead end system although could be mistaken. Anyway, the POS was assaulted but instead of destroying it which could have been easily accomplished, Sylph decided to offer an ultimatum to UK, pull it down and UK would get safe passage during the process or leave it where it's at and it will be destroyed. More than fair I think considering it had been UK who had been pressurising Sylph into taking sides.
Kirra Liu will not be broadcasting for six months so I will be speaking on her behalf 
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:27:00 -
[86]
Originally by: ChippieG60 when we did i recived this gem
I foresee much pain on both sides if this avenue is explored.
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai I foresee much pain on both sides if this avenue is explored.
Is that your way of saying "Oh Crikey they've got facts to counter our bluster!"
or
"We can back our claims of backstabbing with corresponding mails"
Just wondering
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Yvain Dragonheart
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:51:00 -
[88]
This makes me laugh. Enough said. Ahah. I've always loved Ushra'Khan because they keep entertaining me. Go on people, you're fun !
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Ronan Ironhide
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:53:00 -
[89]
just a question.
will their be a UK circle jerk to accompany the massive amounts of roleplaying in this thread later on tonight perhaps?
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Il Morte
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:00:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Ronan Ironhide just a question.
will their be a UK circle jerk to accompany the massive amounts of roleplaying in this thread later on tonight perhaps?
(ooC) Last I checked *Il Morte looks around* This is the role playing section ******
In regards to this post i see a lot of chest thumping and finger pointing. I am patiently awaiting to hear from Kelban our favorite poster. His words of wise wisdon always make me laugh. (gets the popcorn out) Looks like Sylph pilots are finally responding interesting.
My suggestion is maybe the two of you should just bust out some caps pick an agreed upon system and slug it out. Fraps it from both sides and then you can decide who can gifht and who can hide. No outside experience, no allies, just the two of you.
Of course that would mean no claoking and no blobbing actual fighting for a change. It is amazing you two shoot anything, as all Sylph says is UK cloaks and hides, and all UK says is Sylph docks and hides.
Do continue though as it does make my boring day at work go that much more quicker
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:16:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Il Morte
My suggestion is maybe the two of you should just bust out some caps pick an agreed upon system and slug it out. Fraps it from both sides and then you can decide who can gifht and who can hide. No outside experience, no allies, just the two of you.
That would be my idea of heaven, being honest with you. But it won't happen. That said we do quite often visit sylph in non-cloaking ships, usually with predictable results if the two of us go head-to-head.
We're continuing to receive further intelligence from our agents who have infiltrated Sylph alliance, that a number of remaining Sylph corps are considering withdrawing from the alliance specifically because of our actions. The quote I have read includes the line "we cannot counter U'K". And they are right.
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Careq Xaxius
Caldari Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:55:00 -
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In my almost 3 years here I have never posted on eve-o. I will not be drawn into your petty bickering but this has to stop.
When Insane said there are no leaders of Sylph who were there at the time he is wrong I was there.
When Butter dog says we first attacked BUM he is wrong.
First let me say; I have a great deal of respect for UK and their pilots. They were good friends of ours who always supported us as we did them. they were known for supporting their allies just as we are known for standing by ours and we are NRDS as they are. They were known then for having skilled pilots of unquestionable bravery and I have seen nothing to change this opinion of them. So we were natural allies and this worked to both our advantage for a long time. Our relationship with CVA was the same. Then the whole RP thing reared its ugly head.
We had two good and loyal friends who, because of their blood, were destined to fight. So we walked this knifes edge for some time, being good and loyal friends to both. Then BUM came along. To assist them in their anti-slaver campaign UK brought in mercenaries to help them, Ok, no problem, both sides have brought in help, still we maintained our status with both CVA and UK. Then BUM aggressed and engaged Sylph pilots in our space. We demanded that their employer, UK, ask them to cease and desist and we would as well. This did not happen and because of a misunderstanding on the 4th day of May, '07 Sapphrine announced that Slyph had been set red to UK and Sylph matched standings. I have the logs to prove all of this and will post them if I must.
UK was then defeated in their war with CVA. Having been forced to take sides by UK we fought with CVA. And yet, though being driven back by a complete loss of their systems, UK did not die, as so many other alliances have. And even to this day they have persevered though great hardships which have broken lesser alliances to harass Sylph on a daily basis with pilots who still remember their home. UK has been an enemy of ours who daily earn my respect with their knowledge of combat and their perseverance. We learn from them and it makes us stronger.
To this day, we will take no part in your petty political agenda.
But do not call us traitors, We stood by UK until they no longer stood by us. We are now enemies, so be it, but it was by your choice.
Careq Xaxius Head diplomat, Sylph Allinace
----------- CEO, Gemini Industries Inc. Sylph Diplomat |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:05:00 -
[93]
U'K never employed us, and we were never for hire.
Our bonds with U'K go back to ISS, when we built the outposts in IS-R and QR-K. ISS worked with U'K in Providence even before UNITY station was first built.
It was those ties which led to us assisting U'K. But we did what you could not do - we followed NRDS rules within U'K space and matched the U'K standings list. Sylph alliance categorically failed to control their pilots at this time, and it was your hostility to us in NRDS space which led to U'K allowing us to hunt you.
Your failings and actions, not ours, led to hostility. And that, my dear Sylph friend, is fact.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:09:00 -
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I find it unfortunate that UK's self aggrandising rhetoric has so far failed to mention a key ally in their harrasment of Sylph industrialists, despite what UK has said they have not maintained a constant state of war in empire, they've minimised their costs by declaring war and later retracting these declarations to save money. It would seem that their 'great cause' remains subservient to that of money, I should remind you that slaves don't necessarily have the luxury of 'a day off'.
Regardless, Sylph pilots in empire have not been able to be free of danger for the last month because UK is working closely with an ally, an ally who has been close behind them during this campaign. This ally has been silent on the matter but I imagine that they too are seeking to punish friends of CVA because of antiquated religious dictums which dengrate their nature.
I am of course talking about Gay4Life - UK pilots have embraced Gay4Life pilots in their cause and as a result Sylph pilots like myself had to move our haulers without being able to resort to the convenience of autopilot. When UK pilots would remain closeted, I mean cloaked, I would still find Gay4Life pilots willing to use their weapons on my badger and make my life exciting.
This bond that has grown on the battlefield is even more encouraging considering my prior experience with UK pilots tended to largely involved them spouting homophobic smack talk in the local subspace channels after our fearless navy pilots forcibly liberated their pods from their ship. I would not have expected such pilots to embrace freedoms in all forms, but now I realise that this language was largely driven by UK pilots fear when they realise that pods do not come with cloaking devices.
Being a freedom minded pilot I salute UK pilots new relationship with Gay4life, and hope that this spirit of freedom in all its myriad forms can carry forward into your choice of words in local comms in future.
(And just for the record, in a month of wardecs I travelled up and down the kari pipe at least 50 times without ever being engaged successfully by a UK pilot, from my point of view their 'blockade' was utterly innefectual)
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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chooch Chooch I did research for many hours and days for the cause, and yes it came down to those who came to defend you and according to those in Sylph it was the allies of UK that fired first, according to UK it was Sylph who fired first.
Our position is that it was Sylph who engaged the Ushra'khan. What our allies were doing has never been the question; we do not insist that any of our allies match our standings list. That applied to Sylph and to any other ally we had back then. We tried to mediate between our allies at times but it led nowhere. The root of this is that Sylph chose to attack us over it.
Originally by: Clavius XIV
Originally by: Ugleb
As for respecting neutrality, I recall CVA and their allied pilots using Promethia as a resupply post while attacking our former station Karishal's Defiance. Yet we still did not call Sylph to account for that. So yes, there are some who would respect neutrality. It was us, to our own detriment.
You recall incorrectly. In fact CVA had specific orders not to dock or use Promethia and to avoid passage through the system, despite the fact that we had docking privileges at the time (as did Ushra'Khan).
Hostile pilots were observed using Promethia station during the invasion. I would not know whether or not they had standing orders not to, but it was seen to be happening to some degree. My point was that we did not blame Sylph for it and we did not attempt to interfere with their neutrality, despite the obvious repercussions to ourselves.
Originally by: ChippieG60 i am pretty sure the first pos sylph attacked was the one in BR as it was good staging point for UK. sylph had set UK red a good week before any pos where hit and when we did i recived this gem.
The first star base hit was a small Khumatari Holdings tower in S25C-K. This came before the standings reset and after the CVA's assault on Unity Station had begun.
The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:13:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
(And just for the record, in a month of wardecs I travelled up and down the kari pipe at least 50 times without ever being engaged successfully by a UK pilot, from my point of view their 'blockade' was utterly innefectual)
2,500 other ships were less fortunate.
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Careq Xaxius
Caldari Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:43:00 -
[97]
Ugleb, and i do not remember your namre from that time, we did not engage Ushra Khan until they had set us red. We did not set them red first, they set us red.
The fact remains. We are not traitors. We respected the Ushra Khan until they no longer respected us. This is the truth.
Does the Ushra Khan no longer respect the truth in their fight to oppose slavery?
Enemies? So be it, but let us be honorable enemies.
Do not sully your good name with lies.
----------- CEO, Gemini Industries Inc. Sylph Diplomat |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:56:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Careq Xaxius
Butter, your pilots engaged US in our space. This has nothin to do with Slammers or ISS or any other old allegiances. Why should Sylph have been concerned with people docking at stations that arent ours?
I highlighted some of the history to explain why we were helping U'K (it was not because we were hired, as you suggest).
As for who engaged whom - these are the facts:
1) U'K allowed both of us to dock at UNITY station. 2) U'K requested to both of us that within U'K space we matched U'K standings and observed NRDS. 3) We obeyed the rules, Sylph pilots were unable to do so. U'K witnessed this, and subsequently allowed us to hunt you in their space, since you were doing the same to us.
It was Sylph who went to U'K with a list of demands about revoking our docking rights, we made no such assertions in reserve, despite the fact you were unable to follow the U'K standings list in their space.
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Maggot
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Careq Xaxius Edited by: Careq Xaxius on 04/08/2009 19:05:27 ..we did not engage Ushra Khan until they had set us red. We did not set them red first, they set us red.
I think everyone involved knows this to be false.
You picked a side, be a man and own up to it.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:58:00 -
[100]
Again the fight continues as to who shot first. The point is the shots were fired, sides were picked, UK was thrown out of Catch and Providence but not defeated as they are around today. The cover of this post and the news that I read is UK is taking credit for the leaving of Sylph Corporations, Pilots, and Leadership. This is most definitely false. UshraÆKhan, Gay4 Life, and whoever war decked Sylph had absolutely nothing to do with the state of Sylph. Yes more recently now that most of the active PvP corporations have left, and most of my FCÆs have left after me as well, does your campaign show merit. But that is a result of a cause not caused by you.
The ratters and carebears you killed as I said caused the Navy Pilots and commanders to laugh at them as well. You just did what I/we were not allowed to do by Drakmor (shoot the useless). If your blockades were so successful how did my corporation move over 5 million m3 of cargo out of Sylph space, 100Æs of ships, including caps. All of this moved through your blockaded pipe on a daily basis. The issue of the fail of Sylph happened and would have happened with or without you cloaking in systems. As I stated earlier I have enjoyed fighting some of your pilots. Some never fought but cloaked and smacked instead. So to bring the point back UK, you hate Sylph you want to see them die. As it is going they just might. However, you are not the cause. Your spin doctors do well and if it makes you sleep at night thinking that your campaign has caused the reduction in Sylph numbers, well, dreams do come in sleep. However you and your campaigns had nothing to do with my decision, or those corporations decisions that left with me. Your actions actually prolonged us in staying longer as we did not want to run out on those left behind. However once Drakmor left then we decided we had o reason to stay. This was a moral decision that had to be made by many members and pilots, and some of them decided to stay for those reasons and then left once they saw what some new leaders were trying to make of Sylph.
As for your war with CVA and your grievance towards Sylph, truly no one cares anymore about that, except maybe you. For that I say there is a multi step program that you need to come to terms with that and you are stuck in anger and denial. The next step you need to take is acceptance. Fight Sylph not for what they did but for what they do. They support CVA. That should be your reason. Whether they believe in slavery or not is irrelevant they are aligned with slavers. That should be your motivation not some past memory of who shot who first.
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namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog we do quite often visit sylph in non-cloaking ships, usually with predictable results if the two of us go head-to-head.
so in words of a gallente vile dog fighting for the terrorist cause, going head-to-head involves bringing a BS-heavy gang of 25 murderers piloting 15 BS, 4 HACs, 1 recon, 2 BC, 2 bombers and 1 inty vs 20 Sylph pilots flying 7 BS, 1 bomber, 2 BC, 4 T1 cruisers, 3 inties and 2 T1 frigs. my guess is that a lone carrier came to aid the Sylph fleet afterwards, when it was probably too late. the linked recording of that unfortunate encounter also shows the unremitting resolve of some of the Sylph pilots: one of them brought an atron after losing his dominix, refusing to give up until his last breath. 
to Careq Xaxius: i'd like to remind you, sir, that you have engaged in discussion with the terrorist scum. respecting the truth? honor? good name? those words and concepts mean nothing to them! while you may remember some of them possessing some human virtues and dignity as individuals long time ago, i'm afraid (or rather i'm certain) that they have lost it all under the pressure of their own brainwashing machine.
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Tizian Enel
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 00:01:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Tizian Enel on 05/08/2009 00:01:15
Originally by: namelessclone01
so in words of a gallente vile dog fighting for the terrorist cause, going head-to-head involves bringing a BS-heavy gang of 25 murderers piloting 15 BS, 4 HACs, 1 recon, 2 BC, 2 bombers and 1 inty vs 20 Sylph pilots flying 7 BS, 1 bomber, 2 BC, 4 T1 cruisers, 3 inties and 2 T1 frigs. my guess is that a lone carrier came to aid the Sylph fleet afterwards, when it was probably too late. the linked recording of that unfortunate encounter also shows the unremitting resolve of some of the Sylph pilots: one of them brought an atron after losing his dominix, refusing to give up until his last breath. 
I too noted that several of them came back in another ship, which is commendable. However, such records rarely portray the true situation accurately. While I'll be unable to provide proof I can still point out that the recording device counts destroyed ships and who were involved. Our enemies only managed one ship kill so their side only shows the guys involved in that, and those we destroyed.
Let it also be known that the system held a mothership and up to 3 carriers active during the engagement, and they assigned fighters to our opponents. After our main fleet had left the carriers had their biggest impact on the whole situation.. Repairing the station services. I saw an Aeon, Archon and three Chimeras at that point.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:13:00 -
[103]
If I understand correctly:
If a friend of UK harbors a group of pirates that intrudes into UK space, attacks UK pilots and assets and then retreats to UK's friend's space, then UK will respect that friends policy of NRDS in an not chase and attack those pirates in their friend's space?
Additionally, they will maintain good relationships with that friend, when it tells them 'We are not responsible for what pilots do in your space, as long as they obey our rules in our space, they are friendly to us.'
Perhaps when a slaver alliance sets up shop in UK space, and obeys their rules but trades and keeps slaves outside of UK space, they'll be treated as friendly as well? After all, they are obeying UK's rules, aren't they?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:21:00 -
[104]
Originally by: namelessclone01
so in words of a gallente vile dog fighting for the terrorist cause, going head-to-head involves bringing a BS-heavy gang of 25 murderers piloting 15 BS, 4 HACs, 1 recon, 2 BC, 2 bombers and 1 inty vs 20 Sylph pilots flying 7 BS, 1 bomber, 2 BC, 4 T1 cruisers, 3 inties and 2 T1 frigs.
If that engagement is not to your taste, you can always refer to a more recent one and draw your own conclusions (The -A- pilots you see were only involved in the final Myrmidon, prior to that U'K were slightly outnumbered and the fight was over).
No one on GalNet with any sense of logic or reason would claim that Sylph could survive a 1v1 match against U'K. Not before they lost over 50% of their pilots, and certainly not now.
Some of their pilots show bravery and promise, it is true. Most are ill equipped for the ravages of combat and would be better placed under the protection of CONCORD in order to carry out their business.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:24:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Chooch Chooch If your blockades were so successful how did my corporation move over 5 million m3 of cargo out of Sylph space, 100Æs of ships, including caps.
How would you propose that we blockade caps jumping out?
Our Kari pipe interdiction yielded 2,500 kills. It served its purpose.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:31:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Butter Dog As for who engaged whom - these are the facts:
1) U'K allowed both of us to dock at UNITY station. 2) U'K requested to both of us that within U'K space we matched U'K standings and observed NRDS.
So these are the facts? At a time when U'K was under pressure from GOD's chosen one's they decided to call in pirates to help them defend what they considered their own.
All they requested in return was that those pirates did not pirate in U'K held systems, but they cared not one iota how they behaved elsewhere.
Just next door to U'K there was a neighbour named Sylph who up until that point had been on good relations with U'K. Suddently, these freinds and neighbours of U'K found that pirates were basing out of U'K systems and raiding their own homes. They also found that U'K policy not only allowed this, but also forbade Sylph to retaliate within U'K held systems.
It's like a couple of families and neighbours living planetside and having cordial if not good relations. Then one of the families has a visit from a distant nephew, who then proceeds to throw stones through the windows of the other family's home. When that family comes to complaint they're told that the nephew has done nothing wrong and that no punishment will be enacted or accepted.
And now U'K are wondering why the relationship turned sour?
Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt. |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:20:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
So these are the facts? At a time when U'K was under pressure from GOD's chosen one's they decided to call in pirates to help them defend what they considered their own.
U'K did not 'call us in'. We were basing from 9UY before your seige began.
We observed NRDS and matched the U'K standing list in their space. And U'K never told other entities how to manage their standings outside their space. Both us and Sylph were treated in exactly the same fair and transparent manner.
We observed the same rules as all of U'K's allies at the time. Sylph were unable to offer the same courtesy in reverse.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
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Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:14:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Niding on 05/08/2009 11:17:37 Exactly what has been accomplished?
All I keep seeing is the quotation of ratios and killnumbers.
They mean next to nothing. Im sure they are nice moralboosters for the terrorist grunts, but beyond that the "Providence burning" is better described as luke warm than anything else.
If killing 2500 is what keeps you getting thru the day, good for you. On a grander scale that number is very very low compared to the amount of citizens in Providence. The sheer volume and booming of commerce in the region is evidence that your campagin can only be described as utter failure.
Success of the Deliverance Project does attract alot of pod pilots, so the volume of targets does increase, but beyond being statistics the presense in Kari pipe has had minimal effect.
And to quote myself;
Quote: As can expected there are losses to be had when your a relativly stationary force, but kill/death ratio has never meant anything to CVA, just the overall prosperity and growth of Providence.
Doom and Gloom over our friends or CVA itself as been decleared time and time again, while pointing to XX amount of kills inflicted, but in reality its merely a small speedbump on the road to Deliverance .
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1080173&page=2#39 |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:22:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Niding
Exactly what has been accomplished?
Our current campaign is focused on the destablisation of Sylph alliance, who for your information primarily base in Catch, so I have no idea why you have embarked on a monologue concerning Providence.
Much has been accomplished.
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Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:32:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Niding on 05/08/2009 11:34:39 Because;
OP mentioned Kari;
Quote: Of late the 'Kari pipe' has undergone heavy interdiction by our forces, but do you know why? Do you know where this began, pilot?
Evanda Char seems to have been misinformed;
Quote: Intel I'm receiving says the Kari interdiction has worked nicely. Well done U'K!
Your did make refrences to Kari twice on the last page alone;
Quote: How would you propose that we blockade caps jumping out?
Our Kari pipe interdiction yielded 2,500 kills. It served its purpose.
I have no illusion that this will change the "much has been accomplished" mantra that you seem to embrace these days.
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Volkier Neigh
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:07:00 -
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Alright, well admittedly I wasn't in the whole 9UY conflict, am no longer in Sylph, and only been there for just under a year, so other than shooting at you guys, I am not very familiar with the diplomacy that incurred before (or after). As some of your pilots know as well, but thought I would point it out here anyway - whilst I am aware that Amarr empire was initially built upon slave-power, since they are a pretty effective and renewable source of energy, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with that, I have yet to meet an actual real slave. So far the only people I DO meet are "opposing slavery", "freeing their people" and all that, but I haven't really met any of those people.
Secondly, isn't it kind of absurd to accuse every single Empire dweller as a supporter of slavery? I mean, it's like saying that all and every Minmatar-born opposes it, and there's already a pretty painfully obvious lack of logic with that. I myself, for example, allow my 'servants' to sleep with me as payment for their daily duties - so you can say I oppose slavery, and am even sinning against my god, since believe it or not, the holy one tends to frown on such acts with beings considered of lesser form.
Thirdly, while you tell everyone that "leave providence, repent, dance with the bunnies" and all that, you fail to realise that there is simply no other place for a lot of these people to go, since hey, there aren't too many NRDS guys out there. You tell pilots to move to "free space" - which space would that be? The two or three systems that AAA is letting you use? No offense here, I've respected your dislikes and beliefs and all that, but statements like this are simply stupid. If you had something to offer - like "we open up our vast space (which you don't have) as NRDS for everyone who opposes" - that's a different story, but for the moment, it is clear that you are simply using it as an excuse - as you always have - to kill miners and ratters in NRDS space. And yeah, claiming to be "NRDS" everywhere else falls in the same page - you don't have "anywhere else" to be NRDS - you live in an NBSI alliance owned space. Quit kidding yourself.
Roleplay wise, CVA / Sylph / Prov holders may have different philosophies as far as their gods, their beliefs and all that to UK and/or whoever else. Nobody is perfect in everybody's eyes. However, and as already said up above, CVA, Sylph etc. has done a damn good job at keeping the only remaining NRDS space truly NRDS. Not everyone may want to agree with the others' views as far as roleplaying goes, but majority of the people who don't, yet still live in providence simply have learned to be tolerant and respectful to one another. Theres nowhere else a lot of these people can go, and your acts, as have been rightfully pointed out, are nothing more than terrorism. You go mostly after miners, haulers and ratters, (basically people who can't fight back) trying to make a statement and "free" the space, from... uhh... holders who believe in free space for everyone. Makes a load of sense. Guys, in all seriousness, I respect your history with Sylph and why you hate them, I respect your beliefs on the slavery issues, but seriously, stop coming up with all the rest of the excuses.
Admit that you simply like to shoot at things, take pride in the fact that you are very effective at hunting down ratters and at stealth hit and run tactics, and fight to re-claim your space because you believe it belonged to you in the first place / whatever. Shooting people, threatening to shoot people unless they join you or "your demands are met", making public statements against hulk pilots who only go to prov because that is the only place they feel they will not get shot by every single person in local is NOT liberating - it's plain and simple terrorism. You can't do both. Sorry. Nobody will think less of you if you admit all that, and you don't have to go against your ideals, and you will get a lot more respect.
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Volkier Neigh
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:08:00 -
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Lastly, and the main reason why I actually bothered to post on the forums (though being cut-off in the previous post due to the characters being maxed out)...
I admit that I am not speaking for 100% everybody, however, I can safely say that myself, the corp I am in, and at least a dozen or so corps that I have friends leaving Sylph had 110% NOTHING to do with a few UK's positioned around the Kari pipe. I personally EMBRACED the fact you guys where there. I thank the 8 or so UK pilots who actually engaged and gave myself and chuck a good fight. I have personally escorted several freighters in and out through UK reds in both D6 and YMP (not sure how many of you where not AFK at the time) with and without support.
Now as I said, I am full aware that I don't speak for everyone, and perhaps yes, a few ratters and whatnot probably DID end up leaving because they could no longer scurry off their salvage to empire in peace, and *gasp* where forced to work with the alliance and within the alliance's market(s) - which they clearly didn't like. Not to mention, you probably blew up a lot of neutrals who got blown up because they didn't have access to the intel channels. Sylph and CVA should THANK you for getting rid of greedy selfish people who didn't want to work with the alliance, for teaching people not to put crap in their ships' fittings, and making more people hate you and offering their help to the prov holders. But for the majority that I spoke with, that did not play any part or role in their decision. I'm sure your leaders know these reasons full well.
Now, as I said before, I have a lot of respect for a few of your pilots, (and a little less for a few others ::P), and I appreciate that you are trying to go with the whole psychological warfare here - albeit in my opinion and based on the above outlined reasons slightly contradicting to your own beliefs, but I just had to point out that slight fact ::)
Again, thank you for all the UK pilots whom I have had the pleasure of having good fights against.
------- Volk..... aww crappit - you can all read who posted this, so I don't need to sign the damn post ::P
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shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Volkier Neigh I am sorry guys, like I said, all of you are very efficient at hunting down ratters, some of you are efficient at hunting down PvP ships in groups, fewer of you are efficient in small fleet skirmishes, you excel at hit-and run tactics, and you by no means have the short end of the stick, and are very decent PvPers on some fronts. But in comparison, and in my time in sylph, one or two fights against any sized AAA fleet would have more of an impact on the people on an alliance scale than all your efforts combined in the entire year I spent in Sylph. A single fight against a 30 man Pandemic Legion fleet for example yielded a larger discussion, improvements, tactics re-considerations etc. than all your assaults combined.
If I was them I would be having a discussion about last nights fight.
"Lets employ some tactics next time aye guys?" "Maybe just blindly warping into their bubbles and dying in a fire wasn't the best move?"
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Dan Deoxys
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:37:00 -
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In reply to Volkier Neigh, everyone has a choice to make - support slavery or opose slavery. From what i can see your neutral hulk pilot who mines ore then takes that ore to be refined at a ststion is paying the slave master's to refine. There are plenty of other regions in space that they can mine and make a living in. But they choose Providence and Catch, if they stopped mining and makeing isk for the station owners how long would the Providence holders stick around to raise their 200 ship fleets ?
Providence and northern Catch are NRDS to make money. Your are sampling your own holy wine too much if you think it is for a higher purpose.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Volkier Neigh Admit that you simply like to shoot at things, take pride in the fact that you are very effective at hunting down ratters and at stealth hit and run tactics, and fight to re-claim your space because you believe it belonged to you in the first place / whatever. Shooting people, threatening to shoot people unless they join you or "your demands are met", making public statements against hulk pilots who only go to prov because that is the only place they feel they will not get shot by every single person in local is NOT liberating - it's plain and simple terrorism. You can't do both. Sorry.
Pilot, you seem to think we go out there everyday for the sheer fun of it. Our cause, the abolition of slavery, is why we do what we do. Convince me of a better way to oppose slavery and I will adapt my actions accordingly. In the meantime, we will continue to fight those who support slavery.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Chooch Chooch on 05/08/2009 16:03:20
Originally by: Pilot, you seem to think we go out there everyday for the sheer fun of it. Our cause, the abolition of slavery, is why we do what we do. Convince me of a better way to oppose slavery and I will adapt my actions accordingly. In the meantime, we will continue to fight those who support slavery.[/quote
Ok I am new to this whole Galnet transmission thing here as I have been silenced for so long but I am confused.
Are you attacking Sylph because of a past grievance or because of the whole Slavery thing. I mean one second it is Salvery then it is past grievances.
Someone said refining ore in stations is paying slavers coffers but Sylph has there own stations and they aren't slavers, that is CVA. So when that fact is brought up it goes back to the Unity Station thing.
So I am a litte confused there. (checks to see hair didn't turn blond) Anyway to Shanda, I can only imagine what happened in that fight .
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 05/08/2009 16:06:43
I understood Mr. Neigh to be asking about our general Providence campaign and answered him as such.
As you are here though maybe you can clarify something:
Originally by: Chooch Chooch Those of us who left have left because of our own reasons most fall behind Drakmor who was the glue that held Sylph together. Once he stepped down and left due to accusations of various CEOÆs within Sylph claiming he did not do anything, and blaming him for their own pilots inactivity, the rest followed.
May I ask when this crisis began? It seems odd to me that our focus on Sylph should have been so well timed if the reason for the crisis has nothing to do with us.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Chooch Chooch Those of us who left have left because of our own reasons most fall behind Drakmor who was the glue that held Sylph together. Once he stepped down and left due to accusations of various CEOÆs within Sylph claiming he did not do anything, and blaming him for their own pilots inactivity, the rest followed.
May I ask when this crisis began? It seems odd to me that our focus on Sylph should have been so well timed if the reason for the crisis has nothing to do with us.
A good 4-6 months earlier. When I became an executor back in January or February one of the first things I was told was Clan was discussing leaving Sylph. Drakmor was fed up. However after talking to Drakmor, and the two CEO's that were causing the most greif at that time left. Clan decided to stay. However i could tell that Drakmor was getting weary from all the BS from most of the CEO's
That is what caused good corporations like Phantasmal Collective, Venom 72 and others to name some to leave when they did.I joined Sylph a year ago and I would have to say since the fall of IAC. I can tell back to October of last year this was beginning. It is why I chose to get involved and try to make it better.
So the root causes go back much further than you even think, unless your spies were around then and they can tell you as well.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:22:00 -
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As i tried to say earlier diplomatically out of respect for a number of you and your alliance. (which holdiong together and growing after being crushed so hard is amazing)
Your war decs were a joke in the Sylph circle I was in. Your cloakers were a joke to us, your tactics were a joke to us. We would laugh at how we would escort 4 freighters thorugh your blockades with a total of 9 in our gang most were interceptors for webbing the freighters. while you had gangs of 15 plus in local, and did nothing.
You would come in a group, and after a quick skirmish run and hide. We laughed at you for this. We mocked you for this. Yes you got your kills, mostly on ratters and carebear noobs. Yes you even won a few skirmishes.
Again as Volkier stated you have some quality pilots, Thrasher, Karn, Lach, Delve, Conlin, Lord Makk. When I would see Shandra in local come thorugh in his falcon I new we would actully get a some sort of fight. But those times were rare. Mostly it was cloaked smackers.
Ever wonder why you all get so many kills on ratters when you are in local? It is because no one took you serious. Reports of Red in BRN would come in followed by "meh its only a UK Cloaker ignore him" That is not disrupting anything. Sorry to bruise your ego, I am no longer in Sylph and as far as I am concerned could be neutral to me now. As is everyone else.
What success you have against Sylph now is irrelavent to me. I left them, yes I still have friends there as I do elsewhere in Eve but they are no longer my concern.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai May I ask when this crisis began? It seems odd to me that our focus on Sylph should have begun so close to when a crisis began which (allegedly) has nothing to do with us.
Transmission resubmitted for clarity
* The Cosmopolite chuckles...
Ah yes, you know, Poreuomai, when we in the Star Fraction were fighting the Kimotoro Directive, a Caldari State loyalist alliance that we eventually destroyed, the disintegration of that alliance was said by our foes to be due to an 'internal crisis' and nothing at all to do with their resounding defeat on the battlefield. It's a familiar song and it looks like it has been taken up by your foes. To my mind, this is an encouraging signal for you and your comrades.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |

Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Poreuomai May I ask when this crisis began? It seems odd to me that our focus on Sylph should have begun so close to when a crisis began which (allegedly) has nothing to do with us.
Transmission resubmitted for clarity
* The Cosmopolite chuckles...
Ah yes, you know, Poreuomai, when we in the Star Fraction were fighting the Kimotoro Directive, a Caldari State loyalist alliance that we eventually destroyed, the disintegration of that alliance was said by our foes to be due to an 'internal crisis' and nothing at all to do with their resounding defeat on the battlefield. It's a familiar song and it looks like it has been taken up by your foes. To my mind, this is an encouraging signal for you and your comrades.
The Cosmopolite
Cosmo I hate to contradict you in some cases yes it is external issues. But unless Ushra'khan can take credit for CEO's of corporations stating that they are not doing anything in the alliance because there moon mineral prices dropped and aren't making as much out here. Or there pilots refuse to fleet up with an FC becuase they think he is "too Young" or not defend their space from a 30 man PL gang because they are currently running a plex. Or complain that a corporation that stepped up to keep soveriegnty in several systems when nix and others left, that they had too many valuable moons and should give them up.
Or that the alliance should be run with multiple heads each having equal control and say and anyhting not agreed on could be changed later, or nominating somoen for head of the PvP force who never ran a fleet his whole time in sylph but complained the loudest of much more qualified people. They are not the cause.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Volkier Neigh
Now as I said, I am full aware that I don't speak for everyone, and perhaps yes, a few ratters and whatnot probably DID end up leaving because they could no longer scurry off their salvage to empire in peace, and *gasp* where forced to work with the alliance and within the alliance's market(s)
I'm sorry to say, but this is the critical flaw in your analysis.
Sylph alliance is 90% ratters and miners. There are very, very few 'career' fighters, who live for the thrill of combat. You were one of those fighters, and for this I truly commend you. However, you know as well as I, that the vast majority of sylph do not live for combat. Our space denial campaign has only just begun.
But it shall yield results. Our intelligence points very strongly to its success a;ready, I am able to see direct quotes from internal Sylph communiques detailing exactly the effect such moves have on the normally silent majority of the alliance - those whos fits you laughed at with us.
There is also a strange perception within Sylph, that somehow U'K don't have the resouces for a protacted combat. The hope expressed internally is that we will give up soon. How wrong this is. We are well aware of the financial reserves within Sylph alliance, which currently stand at 16bn liquid ISK on an alliance level, and an ever dwindling membership tax which now fails to cover POS and jump bridge fuel.
Let me tell you, this alliance level reserve is vastly less than even the liquid ISK reserves of even my lone corp. Indeed, I'd wager that my single corporation has a bigger capital fleet than the entirety of Sylph alliance. Be assured that U'K can afford a protracted campaign.
We will never give up until our goal is achieved.
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namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog If that engagement is not to your taste, you can always refer to a more recent one and draw your own conclusions
oh my.. now this new battle transcript lists a couple of CVA pilots as friendly to U'K terrorist cell, and a few U'K Armageddons (stolen somewhere, no doubt) fighting for the Greater Amarr Empire.. the only conclusion i can draw here is this: never engage in a discussion where the electronic recording devices of minmatar origin are used as 'proof' and 'evidence'. it seems matari electronics is as twisted as the minds of the criminals who use it.
on another note, Volkier Neigh has shown very well just to what great extent your 'reason' and 'logic' are warped and twisted.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: namelessclone01
now this new battle transcript lists a couple of CVA pilots as friendly to U'K terrorist cell, and a few U'K Armageddons (stolen somewhere, no doubt) fighting for the Greater Amarr Empire..
Traditionally, people have used their 'brain' to overcome minor reporting errors in automated summaries. Give it a try. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Tyneara
Amarr Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
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Sylph alliance is 90% ratters and miners. There are very, very few 'career' fighters, who live for the thrill of combat. You were one of those fighters, and for this I truly commend you. However, you know as well as I, that the vast majority of sylph do not live for combat. Our space denial campaign has only just begun.
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Well, unless you sell concord license extensions, you gotta make the money to fund your expensive combat habbit somehow. I know for a fact that there were a great many combat pilots in Sylph. Many of them also were perfectly content to mine, to kill Sansha pirates, or to create ships in their off time. So say that 90% of us were "carebears" is fairly accurate... but that doesn't mean that only 10% ever fought. Far from it.
I don't claim to make any statement for Sylph alliance today, I'm not part of them. They are my own.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tyneara
I don't claim to make any statement for Sylph alliance today, I'm not part of them. They are my own.
Might I suggest then that you research your new alliances longer standing blue's a little more and then consider your statements a little more :P
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:36:00 -
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As the main U'K diplo in the break down of the mutual blue with Sylph I can tell you that Sylph's idea of u'k shot first was to say they'd engage us if neutral and then they wandered why an NRDS organisation set them red based off that statement.
Further to this, Sylph engaged the S25 POS before this standing was formalised resulting in significant bad will.
Finally Sylph have never been a good ally to anyone. Sure they make a good buffer for CVA and I must congratulate CVA on some artful diplomacy. Giving the semblance of caring, just enough support to keep them hooked... and then leaving them to bare the brunt of the losses.
Chooch, in your own words, Sylph are tearing themselves apart, the process started long ago and has accelerated substantially recently. U'K may well not be the underlying issue to you, or any other command staff. I can tell you that when I chose to take a leave of absence from U'K it had little to do with the Amarrian slavers in our space and a lot to do with my perception of commitment from within u'k at the time.
My point? As a commander, it is easy to blame your own guys for the failure to react you see within an alliance. The reasons behind those failures are external normally. You say that 15 u'k sat in a system in gang ready to engage you? I percieve maybe 2-3 were even awake at the time, the rest, busy with other tasks internal to their ships. You say you had 5-8 ships escorting 4 freighters? I tend to know you have 30-40 sitting on a jump bridge waiting us to take the bait. Sylph tried the same even yesterday, ever predictable.
Sylph alliance is rotten from within, their is no doubt, greed spurred your decisions years ago to side with CVA and it spurs your pilots even now. Sylph are allied with CVA, they are defended by all the most determined POS attacks by the threat of CVA retaliation and yet even now, a debate rumbles on (according to Sylph informants) to whether u'k might leave them alone if they were to declare they no longer supported the slavers. Where is the loyalty to those that have been your allies sylph? where is the resolve to kill us till we are dead and dead that SOME of your command professed to IC just 2 days ago?
I respect the effort that both you and Drakmore put in Chooch even though I may not respect your decisions, but lets not claim that Sylph are worth anything at this stage. Hell if you guys thought that you'd have stayed with them. you don't put that much effort into a group only to walk away after years unless the cause is utterly hopeless.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Deoxys In reply to Volkier Neigh, everyone has a choice to make - support slavery or opose slavery. From what i can see your neutral hulk pilot who mines ore then takes that ore to be refined at a ststion is paying the slave master's to refine. There are plenty of other regions in space that they can mine and make a living in. But they choose Providence and Catch, if they stopped mining and makeing isk for the station owners how long would the Providence holders stick around to raise their 200 ship fleets ?
Providence and northern Catch are NRDS to make money. Your are sampling your own holy wine too much if you think it is for a higher purpose.
Perhaps Ushra Khan should start targeting everyone who trades goods in Domain, after all, they are indirectly helping slavery by stimulating the Amarr economy are they not? How long could the Golden Fleet dominate the spacelanes if not for all those miners and traders working in Domain.
Oh, wait, Ushra Khan shops in Domain as well! I guess you'll have to make an exception then.
Please, it is blatantly clear that employing NBSI in Providence and Catch is a tool of convenience and that your thin rationale makes some of your denser pilots sleep easy at night. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |

Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chooch Chooch Ever wonder why you all get so many kills on ratters when you are in local? It is because no one took you serious. Reports of Red in BRN would come in followed by "meh its only a UK Cloaker ignore him" That is not disrupting anything.
Hang on, you are saying that Sylph ratters do not take our pilots seriously and that is why they are being killed? Does that not imply that their assesment of our pilots is wrong?
Let My People Go |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:22:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Tyneara
I don't claim to make any statement for Sylph alliance today, I'm not part of them. They are my own.
Comedy hour returns to GalNet. Thank you. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:56:00 -
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Sapphrine I agree with you that Sylph now is not what it was less than a month ago. Your actions may very well speed up there demise, or make them stronger time will tell and I will watch with my popcorn. As for the freighters I NEVER tried baiting your pilots that way. They may be tactics used by Sylph now but they were not employed when I was there.
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Chooch Chooch Ever wonder why you all get so many kills on ratters when you are in local? It is because no one took you serious. Reports of Red in BRN would come in followed by "meh its only a UK Cloaker ignore him" That is not disrupting anything.
Hang on, you are saying that Sylph ratters do not take our pilots seriously and that is why they are being killed? Does that not imply that their assesment of our pilots is wrong?
Poreuomai I am not saying that your cloakers were not efficient at ganking ratters and miners, only that they did not disrupt life in Sylph systems as you thought. For it to have disrupted life would mean no one come outof station untill you left not continue as usual while you were there.
As for the actions of the Sylph pilots today it is out of my control. And as the last post says this is borderign silly. As I stated my corporation and I have left Sylph, what you do to them and what happens really is not a concern of mine as I need to focus on the future of my corporation. If that future involves your alliance ornot and on what level only the stars may know at this time. That being said I have pretty much said all I have to on this transmission. I just wanted to get the record straight as to why my corp and others have left when they did.
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Breha Organa
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky Our policy was quite clear; anyone basing out of Unity Station had to observe our rules (NRDS) inside U'K sovereign space. We did not attempt to dictate their behavior outside our space.
Isn't that basically the same policy that CVA has, with the caveat that CVA claims all of Providence and low-security Derelik as "their space"?
Umm... no, it isn't the same policy. Corps that practice piracy outside Sylph space no longer remain blue to us.... and certainly will not be allowed to operate "within" Sylph space. CVA also does not tolerate piracy outside its borders. True that you cannot "dictate" bahaviour outside your sovereign space... but you certainly had a way of "rewarding" corps that did with continued good standings.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 08:21:00 -
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Face it.
Sylph space is "CVA space". A stand up fight between Ushra'Khan and Sylph Alliance will end in absolute victory for UK warriors.
Your Catch spaceholding comes from CVA Protection, Them and Paxton are the only competent space holding alliances in the vicinity, the rest are filled with nothing but greedy "bears"
Sylph used to be something, until it became overrun with greedy individuals, set only on filling their own pockets, the UNITY station incident and alike, were before my time, but I can imagine the downhill began already there, these days its so apparent what has happened.
UK have fights with Sylph fleets often enough, and we steamroll you over and over again.
When we lose a fight, we don't go home and quarrel about who gets loot/salvage, we don't go home and slander eachother for getting killed, or who's fault it is. And our FC's surely doesn't resign for failing miserably now and then.
The only thing UK does when losing, is learn, adapt and improvise... Returning to your space with new knowledge on how to exterminate your sorry kind more efficiently.
Now with ALL the original competent Sylph gone, lie down and die. Ur time is up, wich I have spouted and flamed about for years.
But you could also refuse to die, gives me alot more fun for a long while when I devour your space in my advanced Cerberus class combat vessel for your incompetence and fail.
To those competent enough to earn our/my respect, well done. It's always been a pleasure to fight those with balls and skill.
Makk
The Cerbmeister |

Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 08:54:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan's dismissal of Sylph as pets is quite amusing, given their current relationship with Against All Authorities.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake The Ushra'Khan's dismissal of Sylph as pets is quite amusing, given their current relationship with Against All Authorities.
We're also Atlas/Init/Scorched Earth/Sys-K/Coven/SE pets.
Well, we have docking rights in their stations and are blue, which is the same relationship with have with -A-. So by your logic, this makes us their pets too, right?
heh ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 06/08/2009 09:58:49
How is your mistress the Empress anyway Rodj, treating you well? Mastered the art of beg, roll over and grovel yet?
Makk - well said.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 06/08/2009 09:58:49
How is your mistress the Empress anyway Rodj, treating you well? Mastered the art of beg, roll over and grovel yet?
Makk - well said.
She's very well, thank you.
Of course, I've never made a secret of my servitude, and am in fact proud of it.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Volkier Neigh
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Posted - 2009.08.06 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Volkier Neigh on 06/08/2009 10:14:16
Originally by: Butter Dog
I'm sorry to say, but this is the critical flaw in your analysis.
Sylph alliance is 90% ratters and miners.
Yep, I'll have to sadly agree that it is now that most of the known PvP force has left. I don't know if more are coming in however. Also, I admit that I never saw pilots who where in the alliance only for ratting means as "part of the alliance". We are (or where in my case) NRDS, so they could remain neutral and rat all they wanted. Why join the alliance that is meant to defend that space when you don't fight for it? So in a way, you are actually right come to think of it, though I still stand in what I said before. Your blockade did not affect any of the USEFUL people in Sylph, and the people who actually mattered in the alliance. Hence, on the alliance scale, it didn't have any effect. On personal basis, for the above mentioned individuals, it is definitely a big success - hats off to you for killing more ratters strategically - but again, Sylph (and CVA) really ought to thank you for that ::) - It's actually a win-win situation for everyone tbh.
Originally by: Butter Dog
But it shall yield results. Our intelligence points very strongly to its success a;read.....
Perhaps this is true as of this moment, I don't know since, well, I left, but during and before the time I left Sylph your blockade did not have any effect (again, on the useful people that I saw as the actual alliance) whatsoever. In-fact, it helped stabilise the internal market since people didn't yank all their stuff out to empire as much, and actually sold it within the alliance itself. I can vouch for that - within my timezone at least.
Originally by: Butter Dog
There is also a strange perception within Sylph, that somehow U'K don't have the resouces for a protacted combat.
Again, probably right based on a lot of the PvP force leaving, but I would not comment on the sizes since it's either classified information, or I simply don't know since it has altered drastically in the past or future. All I can say though is that liquid isk on the alliance level doesn't always mean much depending on how it's spent and how the alliance is run. For example, an alliance may spend more money continuously on their members, who in turn would hold the end product, or hoard isk and give out ships / impliment replacements etc. during wartime. Not going to state what I think is better or worse, but using this situation as an example going a month or so back (when I was still in the alliance), I can say that while my own personal liquid isk reserves would have been close to the entire alliances', had UK attacked with a capital fleet, I would have fielded my capitals, ships, and sacrificed my entire fleet and liquid isk replacing the ships without a second thought - the grand total of which would far far far surpass the "reserve coffers of the alliance". Obviously, I am sure your pilots would be more than prepared to do the same and whatnot, but point is, liquid isk doesn't always mean much. If the alliance constantly gives back to it's members, this reserve WILL be low, but not at the cost of the alliance itself.
Originally by: Poreuomai Convince me of a better way to oppose slavery and I will adapt my actions accordingly.
Well, at the moment, pretty much everyone in the region hates you bitterly for killing them repeatedly. And, well, all PvP pilots where ratters and carebears at one point of their eve time, and eventually most PvE-ers get skilled, bored, and become more competent. So YOU are actively breeding a new generation of PvP pilots who hate you from the word go, instead of showing your hard struggles to "free the slaves" you keep talking about to those who may actually be sympathetic to your cause and possibly even support you in the long run. Though everyone here pretty much knows that it's not really about that, therefore the above will never happen, and I still say you should really come to terms with such identity ::)
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 10:23:00 -
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You might not believe me, but we are actually roaming the spaces looking for fights most of the time.
Our goals arent to gank the lone Sansha hunters, they are simply there, up for grabs, in the way, or any other metaphor you may want to use on that. We use them to polish our scanning skills and to check that our weapon systems are indeed working as intended. AND we discourage people from coming into Providence to support the slaver empire. (Though it might make them buy new ships at their stations for a while :P)
Though shooting ratters have shown itself in the past as a surefire way to get an response from local spaceholders.
If that response is mob-sized, of course the wise warrior doesn't fight a losing fight... Live today, fight tomorrow... Fight smart so to speak, we don't hold that space, we can chose our moment of strike whenever we want and if that be on a lone "ratter" so be it, he's there and he is free game, he's a minor cog in the slaver economy, but you know what they say.... start small, grow big. Currently we're in the growing stage :p
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:25:00 -
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So we are hated for killing everyone in the region repeatedly, whilst at the same time being totally ineffectual and ignored?
Im sure that current Sylph pilots would object to being called useless and unimportant and would like to know where this large personal isk reserve came from at a time when the alliance reserves are lower than could be expected.
Still, it is heartening to see people leaving the umbrella of imperial dogma. Progress is always good and you should be congratulated and wished the best of luck in your future free endevours. |

Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/08/2009 12:02:35
Originally by: Volkier Neigh
Originally by: Poreuomai Convince me of a better way to oppose slavery and I will adapt my actions accordingly.
Well, at the moment, pretty much everyone in the region hates you bitterly for killing them repeatedly.
The Amarr slavers hate us anyway. We are nothing to them.
Your reply did not even begin to address my words which you quoted.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Breha Organa
Originally by: Tar Kovsky Our policy was quite clear; anyone basing out of Unity Station had to observe our rules (NRDS) inside U'K sovereign space. We did not attempt to dictate their behavior outside our space.
Isn't that basically the same policy that CVA has, with the caveat that CVA claims all of Providence and low-security Derelik as "their space"?
Umm... no, it isn't the same policy. Corps that practice piracy outside Sylph space no longer remain blue to us.... and certainly will not be allowed to operate "within" Sylph space. CVA also does not tolerate piracy outside its borders. True that you cannot "dictate" bahaviour outside your sovereign space... but you certainly had a way of "rewarding" corps that did with continued good standings.
-the current Head Diplomat of Sylph Alliance
Actually, several members of 'TheCitadel' pirate outside of the realm of 'operation deliverance'. While CVA, and the holder alliances don't seem to commit these atrocities themselves, they do not punish those that commit them beyond the Operation Deliverence borders.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 06/08/2009 17:14:32
Originally by: Careq Xaxius Edited by: Careq Xaxius on 04/08/2009 19:05:27 Ugleb, and i do not remember your namre from that time, we
I dont recall your name either, i was in daily direct touch with drakmor at that time, and to be honest - sadly that is the only name from sylph that i do recall. But ugleb is one of our eldest and he has seen it all plus he has a good memory.
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Enemies? So be it, but let us be honorable enemies.
I like that. but tell me, where lies the honor in the collaboration with a race that enslaves your people too?
What kind of letters do you receive from your homeplanets as you allow the most notorios and cruel slaver organisation to dock in your bases, and even to dictate you terms?
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Do not sully your good name with lies.
Good advice - we continue to not do that.
Quote: Butter, your pilots engaged US in our space. This has nothin to do with Slammers or ISS or any other old allegiances. Why should Sylph have been concerned with people docking at stations that arent ours?
i recall that our "friends" attacked you and it does not matter to ushrakhan - because to us it looked lieka personal issue between two friendlies - its pretty standard to keep hands out of a blue-blue confrontation.
i also recall that despite what i just said - we have done our best to restrain them which has been honored by drakmor with an attack on ushrakhan assets, instead of a simple and justified self defense against the actual attackers, which we would not have taken as aggression towards ourselfes.
i recall having explicitely granted you the right to defend as we did not have control over the various chaotic friends that were loyal to us but not so loyal to you. (because they dont respect bystanders, i assume)
so instead od dealing with the relatively small unit that was "bum" - you called your masters and sided with them because ushrakhan had their hands full to defend their home against overwhelming odds.
We can only speculate why you dropped that low were you too weak to defent against bum? were you greedy and hoped to nick our outposts? i remember that drakmor was keen to get QR- and was not so happy to get prometeus from the deal we brokered for them.... when we still were friends... i mean of use to sylph.
That sir, is a correct interpretation of the situation.
since drakmor was the only diplomat in touch, all you can know is what he told you.
I have a distinct feeling, he wasnt entirely honest with you.
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titanstory
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.06 18:47:00 -
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cryyyyyyyyyy moarrrrrr babbbbyyy
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chooch Chooch
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Chooch Chooch Those of us who left have left because of our own reasons most fall behind Drakmor who was the glue that held Sylph together. Once he stepped down and left due to accusations of various CEOÆs within Sylph claiming he did not do anything, and blaming him for their own pilots inactivity, the rest followed.
May I ask when this crisis began? It seems odd to me that our focus on Sylph should have been so well timed if the reason for the crisis has nothing to do with us.
A good 4-6 months earlier. When I became an executor back in January or February one of the first things I was told was Clan was discussing leaving Sylph. Drakmor was fed up. However after talking to Drakmor, and the two CEO's that were causing the most greif at that time left. Clan decided to stay. However i could tell that Drakmor was getting weary from all the BS from most of the CEO's
That is what caused good corporations like Phantasmal Collective, Venom 72 and others to name some to leave when they did.I joined Sylph a year ago and I would have to say since the fall of IAC. I can tell back to October of last year this was beginning. It is why I chose to get involved and try to make it better.
So the root causes go back much further than you even think, unless your spies were around then and they can tell you as well.
I dont know what all the hoo ha is about , I told you last year Sylph would see this day , especialy when I saw what corps you were recruiting . You called me a fool back then , now voice you shared those same fears now . Sylph will survive , this is isnt the first time it hit rock bottom .Only last year you hit a crisis , sylphs problem is the way it has cast aside its older pilots so easily , I struggle to count on one hand from Sylph , those that remain now who were present in the days of U'K owning Unity , yet I see pilots from Sylph now pretending they were , and pretending to know the full story , without the shepherds crook from CVA nudging them to their version. Kueen is the safe option , and youl,l just mass recruit from the coffers of the young inexperienced pilots in empire as you always do . And next year youl,l hit another crisis , its the sylph way , you have no honour , or dedication to one another , apart from the goal of isk making .
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.07 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin
I dont know what all the hoo ha is about , I told you last year Sylph would see this day , especialy when I saw what corps you were recruiting . You called me a fool back then , now voice you shared those same fears now . Sylph will survive , this is isnt the first time it hit rock bottom .Only last year you hit a crisis , sylphs problem is the way it has cast aside its older pilots so easily , I struggle to count on one hand from Sylph , those that remain now who were present in the days of U'K owning Unity , yet I see pilots from Sylph now pretending they were , and pretending to know the full story , without the shepherds crook from CVA nudging them to their version. Kueen is the safe option , and youl,l just mass recruit from the coffers of the young inexperienced pilots in empire as you always do . And next year youl,l hit another crisis , its the sylph way , you have no honour , or dedication to one another , apart from the goal of isk making .
You are right that there are very few Sylph members left in the alliance who were present when UK had Unity, in fact I can only think of about four off the top of my head. But it doesn't change the fact that what has been said about how the situation changed between UK and Sylph is true. Although I am no longer a member of Sylph I remember it very well, mainly due to it being when I was learning the ropes thus taking even more of a keen interest "my true employment history is not represented on any of my current characters sadly". I have read chat logs and seen the kinds of bull**** that was thrown around at the time and what has been said by Careq and Chooch has been very accurate.
Heck I even remember leaving Sylph alliance to join UK just before UK declared war against Sylph officially and I recall clearly being bitterly disappointed at the blatant lies that UK members were telling each other fuelling the hate against Sylph. That is one key reason why I didn't spend much time in UK. And as for "the shepherds crook from CVA nudging them to their version", I very much dislike CVA, can't exactly put my finger on why but it is true, it was one of the main reasons of me joining UK back in June 2007. The only reason I have flown along side of the was because they were allies of my friends, so the last thing I would be doing now is blindly following their version of events. The thing is, what they have said is true, what Sylph says is true and what UK says is generally a web of lies and propaganda.
Always expected the big evil slaver empire to be the one with it's propaganda and lies, and expected the freedom fighters to be the ones who uphold the truth for honour, weird how it is far from that and very disappointing for me.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 07:42:00 -
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Windu , I,ve never heard of you as a Sylph pilot , or even a U'K pilot . In fact I doubt your sincerity in all of this , even you yourself question your own employment history . Nice try though 
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Volkier Neigh
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Posted - 2009.08.07 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith So we are hated for killing everyone in the region repeatedly, whilst at the same time being totally ineffectual and ignored?
Im sure that current Sylph pilots would object to being called useless and unimportant and would like to know where this large personal isk reserve came from at a time when the alliance reserves are lower than could be expected.
Still, it is heartening to see people leaving the umbrella of imperial dogma. Progress is always good and you should be congratulated and wished the best of luck in your future free endevours.
Hehe, no, as I said, you are hated by the people you kill - who are mostly ratters and miners, and my point was a lot of them are newer pilots who will eventually get into PvP, by which time they are basically "bred" to hate you from the word go. And those kills are the main bulk of your killmails. The PvP pilots feel that your Kari blockade is ineffectual and ignore it. Bear in mind, nobody is saying YOU are ineffectual and ignore you as pilots - as already stated, you are second to none at hit and run warfare, are exceptional and hunting down ratters, often scanning down and tackling them in a belt before they realise you are in system, and are respected for the art of using cloaking warfare to the extent you are capable of. But the two main points that myself, and a lot of other people here are trying to make is that you did not disrupt Sylph alliance with your Kari blockade - which was deemed ineffective on an alliance scale - again, not on a scale of an individual who only milks the space without giving anything back.
And these are basically the people that I deep worthless and unimportant - nothing to do with who is left in Sylph or not - I know of several very competent pilots and still have lots of friends back with Sylph after leaving. But those that I speak of still do exist, and existed before, and I am more than happy to publically declare those said individual worthless in my own personal opinion if it makes you happy.
Lastly, it's not a very large personal isk reserve. I did say it wasn't as large, but rather close to, and you yourself already pointed out that that current reserve is already reasonably small. Not to mention I don't see how this is relevant to anything, as I was using that as an example to show that liquid isk reserve of an alliance does not necessarily reflect on how well an alliance can defend itself against an enemy force.
And slightly off topic - but sorry, couldn't resist ::P
Does this UK Capital fleet that has been mentioned have cloaks fitted - hence why it's so well hidden? ::D
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 07/08/2009 10:22:02
Originally by: Rodj Blake The Ushra'Khan's dismissal of Sylph as pets is quite amusing, given their current relationship with Against All Authorities.
Whats your point? rodj.
So far we join -a- gangs against their enemies far more often than vice versa So far, they have not prevented you from any attacks against us So far, you would not kill a single more u' k pilot if they were not around. Because we would not present a static target to you like the Unity station was.
Sylph would be dead, if you not jumpt to their help each time we come with a fleet - that is why we developed another way of achieving their downfall - and again, we fly amongst ourselfs when interrupting their trades and slaveabuse.
If you try to compare our relationship with an ally that respects us for our combat abilities and yourself who respect sylph as a meatshield and placeholder in providence - then at least find a lie that holds water on a first look. This attempt failed miserably.
recruiting -forum
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Volkier Neigh Does this UK Capital fleet that has been mentioned have cloaks fitted - hence why it's so well hidden? ::D
What is it with people asking about our capital fleet?
Originally by: Insane Nutmunch Can we expect to see the glorious sight of U'K capital size vessels engaging in Sylph space?
Originally by: Poreuomai I must ask, have you never even heard of the cyno jammers which these slavers deploy?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Volkier Neigh
Does this UK Capital fleet that has been mentioned have cloaks fitted - hence why it's so well hidden? ::D
We use the capitals with discretion. And cynojammers do limit their use, of course. Only a fool would carelessly use capital ships when outnumbered.
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin Windu , I,ve never heard of you as a Sylph pilot , or even a U'K pilot . In fact I doubt your sincerity in all of this , even you yourself question your own employment history . Nice try though 
At the time I was known as Kai Tempest although it has been a long time since I have gone by that name as it is flown under a different person. The fact that you do not know me does not change the my view on events over the last few years. That is why my publicly viewable employment history is inaccurate. Currently known as Kirra Liu on the most part however she has gone on a posting holiday for six months. Anyway back on topic, my point's have been accurate to how I have viewed the situation between your alliance and Sylph.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:34:00 -
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Mr Windu, or whatever your true name may be, I have found Zoolkhan to be a very honest and honourable warrior, who at times has even rejected some of my own suggested tactics as they were deemed being not worthy of a Minmatar warrior, so I find your assertions here hard to believe.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.08.07 12:03:00 -
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A former outsider, now almost insiders perspective on these struggles, I feel compelled to make comment.
More than anything I respect and admire the pursuit of virtue and honor. To my view, the true slavery that exists is over the capsuleer class and is a slavery of numbers. Isk or killboards many seem willing to trade what has real value for these shams of meaning.
The zeal of Ushra'Khan is admirable. But your virtue is mixed. I do see pursuit of ideals, but there is opportunistic interpretations of truth, and this utterly pathetic demagoguery of sloganism is utterly shameful for something that could have promise.
CVA is trustworthy. As first an outsider to providence I observed and watched and grew to love over time the tangible expression of purpose embodied in real virtue. These are living saints.
Ushra'Khan, at first seemed meaningless violence. Indistinct from the rabble of piracy. Over time one catches hints of slogans left lingering in channels, but when challenged in debate the spouters of these slogans are left mentally ill equipped beyond simple sentences. I fear the truth is that opportunism has taken root in your cause, and that the cause itself is increasingly devoid of meaning.
For me, I sit on the fence on slavery. I am not true blood Amarr, and I have an appreciation of the complexity of the issue. But even the truest of true blood Amarr will acknowledge that slavery in and of itself is not a purpose, but a means to achieving holy purpose.
From observation, the purpose of Amarr remains pure. Your purpose on the otherhand is difficult to distinguish from the rabid dogs who fly belt to belt desperate for finding some meaning in violence. I would truly love to see there is more that pursue real meaning in New Eden, and though you purport that you do, the evidence to this observer points contrary.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 12:58:00 -
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You dont sound very neutral, undecided or impartial.
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Deus Letus
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 12:59:00 -
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Quick question to Unity.
I know that if as Neut I fly into providence CVA and Holders will leave me alone and eventually embrace me.
If I do the same in Catch will -A-, Atlas and you do the same? or Immensia for that matter?
Just curious here nothing more. Please understand I know my past allegiance may nake this difficult for me personally so Please use just anyod Neut as an example
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 07/08/2009 13:04:56
Originally by: edeity But even the truest of true blood Amarr will acknowledge that slavery in and of itself is not a purpose, but a means to achieving holy purpose. From observation, the purpose of Amarr remains pure.
Your purpose on the otherhand is difficult to distinguish from the rabid dogs who fly belt to belt desperate for finding some meaning in violence.
I think you are right to distinguish between the purpose itself and the means to a purpose. However you seem to completely fail to make that distinction when you look at us. Our purpose is the ending of slavery. Our method is violence against those supporting slavery.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Deus Letus
If I do the same in Catch will -A-, Atlas and you do the same?
Why would we? You are a slaver supporter and therefore not neutral. We dont shoot neutrals, unfortunatly, unless we know before hand that you are not in providence supporting the fleshmerchants the assumption is that you are.
If you think that we have incorrectly identified you as an enemy of freedom then please contact one of our diplomats.
Again I feel it is a pity that you are looking at your own wallet and dismissing any concerns about the human beings that you are exploiting to fill that wallet. |

Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 07/08/2009 13:29:00
Originally by: Deus Letus Quick question to Unity.
I know that if as Neut I fly into providence CVA and Holders will leave me alone and eventually embrace me.
If I do the same in Catch will -A-, Atlas and you do the same? or Immensia for that matter?
If you have questions about .-A-. and Atlas, why are you asking us?
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Deus Letus
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:29:00 -
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Let me rephrase this since you missed the part about I understand my past may be an issue I am referring to just any old neut with no past history of Sylph, CVA or anyone.
If they come into your center of influence, not supporting slavers, but looking to experience 0.0 and even *gasp* maybe even trade with you. WOuld you accept them as CVA does or shoot them first and adk later.
It is a simple questions that does not require much thought to it. A simple yes we would shoot them no we would not is sufficient. No need for double speak here.
As for your insults to in regards to making profits or ISK, I wonder how you are able to afford what you have or are you also a thief as well.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:33:00 -
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Our ROE is quite clear and should be well known by now:
We are NRDS everywhere except Providence and Catch. In Providence and Catch we are NBSI.
Does that answer your question?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:34:00 -
[162]
Yes, we operate NRDS. (outside of slaver space) Look at the time last year that Ushra'Khan based from Curse in the CL-85V area for proof of this. |

skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.08.07 16:57:00 -
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Since you don't control any space except a solitary system in Catch gifted to you by -A- the policy of 'NRDS everywhere except Providence and Catch' has almost no practical meaning.
If you truly believed in your cause you would be expending more effort creating your own stretch of 0.0 which was neutral friendly and slaver free. You brand every neutral pilot using Providence and Catch as a 'friend of slavers' and yet make no alternative available to them.
Many of the traders were simply concerned with making money with no realisation that they were supporting slavers. And now they are aware they are asking 'where else can I go'? If you fail to offer an alternative to them then you will never win, the power of economics will drown your principles and rhetoric. If you make no attempt to offer safe space in 0.0 for neutral traders then you will simply be considered terrorists, and history will not be kind to you.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 17:15:00 -
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History can go take a running jump as long as we free our people and end slavery.
I would dearly love to be able to create an area of free space where we could welcome people in and allow everyone capsuleer and mortal alike to pursue their own dreams. However, being realistic this is unlikely to happen in the near future, we have survived as long as we have because of our belief in our cause and because we are almost impossible to pin down.
Inaction isnt an option, you fight the fight the best way you are able and right now that is through education with words, and education with phased plasma.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 07/08/2009 17:20:57
Originally by: skye orionis Since you don't control any space except a solitary system in Catch gifted to you by -A- the policy of 'NRDS everywhere except Providence and Catch' has almost no practical meaning.
If you truly believed in your cause you would be expending more effort creating your own stretch of 0.0 which was neutral friendly and slaver free. You brand every neutral pilot using Providence and Catch as a 'friend of slavers' and yet make no alternative available to them.
Many of the traders were simply concerned with making money with no realisation that they were supporting slavers. And now they are aware they are asking 'where else can I go'? If you fail to offer an alternative to them then you will never win, the power of economics will drown your principles and rhetoric. If you make no attempt to offer safe space in 0.0 for neutral traders then you will simply be considered terrorists, and history will not be kind to you.
Personal opinion:
I don't give a s*** about neutral traders who lack the stomach to fight for the cause. We're here to fight slavery in nullsec. We won't shoot these traders unless directed by ROE, but we're also not here to cater to and guard beancounters. Honorable warriors are welcome to join us in our struggle but cowards who only care for the isk can rot in hell.
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.08.07 17:46:00 -
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Then your efforts are for naught, the neutral pilots will continue to fill the coffers of the 'slavers' because there is no alternative but the ever tedious expanse of concord policed space.
Economics will ultimately be a more powerful force than your band of nomads.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Windu
Originally by: Conlin Windu , I,ve never heard of you as a Sylph pilot , or even a U'K pilot . In fact I doubt your sincerity in all of this , even you yourself question your own employment history . Nice try though 
At the time I was known as Kai Tempest although it has been a long time since I have gone by that name as it is flown under a different person. The fact that you do not know me does not change the my view on events over the last few years. That is why my publicly viewable employment history is inaccurate. Currently known as Kirra Liu on the most part however she has gone on a posting holiday for six months. Anyway back on topic, my point's have been accurate to how I have viewed the situation between your alliance and Sylph.
Would that be accurate from a "short Sylph career " point of view , or accurate from a "I have so many alts , I cant remember which one I sold off " , point of view ?. Either way chum your very short career in sylph can hardly be appointed as unbiased now can it ?. As I said previously , too many sylph or ex sylph pretending to know what they are talking about with the occassional shepherds crook nudging them in the back 
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 18:47:00 -
[168]
Originally by: skye orionis
If you truly believed in your cause you would be expending more effort creating your own stretch of 0.0 which was neutral friendly and slaver free. You brand every neutral pilot using Providence and Catch as a 'friend of slavers' and yet make no alternative available to them.
U'K does not have an ideology which necessitates space holding. We're not expansionists like the CVA, we align to no empire.
There is good ISK for neutral pilots to be made working for the Empire factions (preferably not Amarr or Caldari, of course), pilots will earn no more in providence, with its empty moons, barren and over-farmed belts, and low-ranking Sansha outlaws.
It makes no economic sense to base in Providence. We're happy to provide people with the educational experience of having their sansha-hunting vessels destroyed whilst they attempt to fill the coffers of the slavers.
It it not our role to provide an alternative for their greed. Although there are many options which will mean they do not support slavers when earning their coin. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:12:00 -
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So, can we expect more direct action against those alliances who support the slave trade?
Looking at the market in the Catch region the only stations buying and selling slaves belong to Against All Authorities, I look forward to your attempts to eradicate them. And we should remember that unlike Sylph only friends of -A- can dock at these stations, so pilots who are members of -A- or their allies are more directly connected to the slave trade than any member of Sylph.
And yet, you not only tolerate this open market in your kinsmen, but you fly side by side with these pilots. What would make your pilots abandon this basic principle? Fear of -A- is surely a powerful factor, they could take your space from you without a thought. I think your acceptance of the slave trade within -A- is a sign that you do value your space after all, having a home base at the cost of a handful of slaves is an easy deal to rationalize. But it is a compromise, and shows your principles will be abandoned when it suits you.
I'm sure the slaves forced to work for -A- still support your cause, even though you refuse to suit theirs.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:37:00 -
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Dont be rediculous. CVA dont even attempt to deny that they are slavers, they revel in it, celebrate it. Sylph have been long standing allies of CVA. Various members of Sylph have been spotted openly talking in local channels about how many slaves they own, how they want to enslave UK pilots.
Market orders that can be placed by anyone are hardly going to make anyone think that -A- are anything but freedom loving pilots who I am glad to call ally.
Got any other arguments about what we should be doing and who we should be shooting to lay down? We've picked our fight already, we know why we fight and who the enemy is. |

zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: skye orionis So, can we expect more direct action against those alliances who support the slave trade?
more direct than going into their space and killing them?
or is this yet another "why dont you 800 bunch take on the 1290 strong CVA, 688 paxton, 811 -7-, 500 sylph, ..etc) blob headon, and remove their jammers" question?
I think we score well, thats evident and indiscutable. As well as the fact that we have to operate withing our possibilities. And obvously, we are after all those years and despite friendly bonds to other alliance - still pretty much working alone in our own gangs most of the time. And that is simpley because our cause is an idealistic cause w/o profit. Liberating humans does aparrantly not attract as many people as exploiting slaves by mining, ratting , docking and renting offices from slavers.
You should admire us for keeping the fight up instead trying to shed bad light on us with your biased and background ignorant questions.
Quote: Looking at the market in the Catch region the only stations buying and selling slaves belong to Against All Authorities, I look forward to your attempts to eradicate them.
these are bait transfers, we have catched quiet a few individuals that way.
Quote: Fear of -A- is surely a powerful factor, they could take your space from you without a thought.
People like you will always confuse mutual respect with fear. They respect our ways, and allow us to use their station free of charge. Without having been asked for it, we found it a matter of honor to repay them with our pvp forces in their fight against the NC (like we assisted ISS against IAC years back)
fear playes no role in our relationship, and theyre no slavers - they dont pursue the agenda to expand the amarr territory either. Its fun to see you falling to the trap though.
Quote: I'm sure the slaves forced to work for -A- still support your cause, even though you refuse to suit theirs.
Twice i saw a minor -a- capsuleer actually owning slaves. In both cases they have been released, and the pilot in question allow us to explain him why this is bad.
I appreciate youre very concerned about what we potentially could do wrong, and little concerned about what we are proven to be doing right. Youre in good company with that attitude, like one of many sheeps - and equally naive.
best regards
recruiting -forum
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:48:00 -
[172]
Anyone could place the buy or sell order without docking, but those slaves had to get to that -A- station by being carried by a -A- pilot or one of their allies.
You don't see any slaves for sale or orders to buy them in any station in Catch which has an NRDS policy.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:26:00 -
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For your next trick are you going to show that black is white, up is down and slavery freedom?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: skye orionis Since you don't control any space except a solitary system in Catch gifted to you by -A- the policy of 'NRDS everywhere except Providence and Catch' has almost no practical meaning.
It has plenty of meaning for the crew of the neutral ships which we do not blow up.
Originally by: skye orionis Many of the traders were simply concerned with making money with no realisation that they were supporting slavers. And now they are aware they are asking 'where else can I go'? If you fail to offer an alternative to them then you will never win, the power of economics will drown your principles and rhetoric. If you make no attempt to offer safe space in 0.0 for neutral traders then you will simply be considered terrorists, and history will not be kind to you.
You raise an interesting point. I agree it would be nice if there were an NRDS alternative to Providence. However that is not an option for us right now. A year ago we had our own little corner of the woods in CL-85V and could pretty much rat and mine in its two dead end systems to our hearts content. Neutrals which did not engage us were welcome there too. We gave that up in order to be closer to where we have work to do. That decision is now starting to pay off.
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: skye orionis on 07/08/2009 20:51:27 I was merely passing through while looking to buy some materials which I can get at a lower price out here. I have no interest in slaves. I only chose to check the regional market out of curiosity while I was here, based on your organization's statments I expected to find a thriving 0.0 market for slaves, slavers, vitoc and other paraphenalia. Instead I found the only people dealing in these are your allies who clearly have no respect for your anti-slavery ideals.
To be honest with all the bluster I thought it might be an interesting experience to fly my transport ship through this 'warzone', I was expecting gatecamps, and wrecks on every gate. Instead I sailed plainly through, completely uncontested.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 21:13:00 -
[176]
Well its certainly been an interesting journey chatting with you, we've run from "you dont practise NRDS" through "you're just pirates" to "Sylph arent slavers" to "you arent effective" and "you should be shooting alliance X".
The notion of asymetric warfare is based on mobility and unexpected strikes. Occuption however seems to be what you are thinking of, gatecamps on every gate, patrols, etc. If we were ten times larger than we are now, today, we would still not have enough firepower to occupy slaver space. So we fight how we can.
But thanks for the advice on how we should be fighting, coming from someone like you it carries a great deal of weight. We come for our people |

skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.08.07 21:36:00 -
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I believe the greatest mobility and fluidity comes from the asymmetric application of your guiding principles so that they can accommodate your current position.
I'm largely trying to play devils advocate here, it is a complex set of issues.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 21:53:00 -
[178]
Nothing wrong with challenging us to think about certain issues or look at things another way. 
Let My People Go |

Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.08 06:40:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Kazzzi on 08/08/2009 06:43:09 Skye, I have purchased literally thousands of slaves from the open market, all of which I freed and relocated to the safety of the Minmatar Republic. Smuggling slaves requires many bribes and market procedures to launder the isk trail so as to avoid retribution upon my contacts from Imperial agents. Any records of slaves being processed through -A- stations are possibly a result of such smuggling and laundering. In order to protect the innocent, I will confirm nothing and will speak no more in detail on the matter.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.08 14:32:00 -
[180]
Originally by: skye orionis I believe the greatest mobility and fluidity comes from the asymmetric application of your guiding principles so that they can accommodate your current position.
I'm largely trying to play devils advocate here, it is a complex set of issues.
Lay off the vitoc, it is eroding your senses. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
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