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Viper FW
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:28:00 -
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OK I know its allowed by CCP but I think if your running missions in 0.7+ security that someone should NOT be allowed to come in and steal your salvage and if they do then you should be at least able to shoot at them with out getting concord sicked on you. If you pod them then its should make you go global but if you just attack them or destroy there ship after they take your salvage then it should be ok.
This is how i think it should be.
If someone takes your salvage or loot in 0.7+ sec space, then they don't get attacked by concord
but you can attack them with out going global as long as you are in the mission area and you don't pod them.
MechLink
Open resource Gaming Site
http://www.mechlinkv3.net
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Kyle Langdon
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:31:00 -
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CCP has said that no one "owns" salvage therefore anyone can get it.
So...
No.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:31:00 -
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It's not your salvage to begin with, so flagging isn't going to happen. Being a salvage thief is an intended career path.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Revilers Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:32:00 -
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OP needs to cry harder.
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Sinuous Grace
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:49:00 -
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Oh dear god plz not this thread again
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Sinuous Grace
Oh dear god plz not this thread again
^^This
Also
Originally by: Viper FW
OK I know its allowed by CCP but I think if your running missions in 0.7+ security that someone should NOT be allowed to come in and steal your salvage and if they do then you should be at least able to shoot at them with out getting concord sicked on you.
You can already shoot them if they steal your salvage.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:55:00 -
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The salvage isn't yours, therefore I don't know why you think you should own it.
Also, search.
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Treelox
Amarr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:04:00 -
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Stop running you missions in a crowded system. Step down a tier of agent, move to a slightly less popular system and what do you know there are no "wreckage thieves".
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Celestrias
Gallente
Mid Knights
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:16:00 -
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Didn't he make this same thread a month or so ago?
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Discrodia
Gallente
Guardian Legion
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Celestrias
Didn't he make this same thread a month or so ago?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 02/08/2009 22:18:34
Originally by: Viper FW
...but you can attack them with out going global as long as you are in the mission area and you don't pod them.
 Oh that was good. Not in that "this was a good idea" way but in that "this idea just crossed the border from Serious, invaded the nation of Humorous, and burned the village of Rediculous to the ground" way.
"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."
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testirania
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Viper FW
This is how i think it should be.
If someone takes your salvage or loot in 0.7+ sec space, then they don't get attacked by concord
but you can attack them with out going global as long as you are in the mission area and you don't pod them.
Yes this is a brilliant idea, off course that would also mean that they can shoot at YOU! and not being concorded  , this would bring even more tears on the forum if that was implemented 
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Venko Trenulo
Spelunkers
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:49:00 -
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CCP has been quite clear on this. Ironfleet has been kind enough to gather together a definitive collection of Dev and GM quotes.
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Scaldo Pwncakes
Gallente
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:52:00 -
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No level 4's in highsec is a better idea.
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Labartu Sumeri
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
You can already shoot them if they steal your salvage.
It keeps coming up because of errors like this. You CANNOT shoot them for salvage; you CAN shoot them for the loot contained within the wreck.
Salvage as you go along, have an alt/friend follow you and do the salvage, or quit whining. Those are the only three options.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sinuous Grace
Oh dear god plz not this thread again
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Labartu Sumeri
Originally by: Tippia
You can already shoot them if they steal your salvage.
It keeps coming up because of errors like this. You CANNOT shoot them for salvage; you CAN shoot them for the loot contained within the wreck.
Salvage as you go along, have an alt/friend follow you and do the salvage, or quit whining. Those are the only three options.
You can also blow the wrecks as you go along, I'm a **** so I do that in dod missions ^^
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Labartu Sumeri
Originally by: Tippia
You can already shoot them if they steal your salvage.
It keeps coming up because of errors like this. You CANNOT shoot them for salvage; you CAN shoot them for the loot contained within the wreck.
It is not an error. If they steal your salvage, you can shoot them. Period. Even the CCP devs have confirmed this.
If you can figure out why I'm right, you find the answer to why these inane threads keep popping up.
FWIW, both the OPs wishes have already come true: not only can you shoot salvage thieves freely, there are sections of space where you're free to blow away anyone who enters your mission area.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Qwert0
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:23:00 -
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Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
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Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:50:00 -
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I'd try to salvage what's left of this thread but alas there is nothing.
Is this a run on sentence or my signature? You decide. |
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ExChange
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:59:00 -
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Nothing against salvaging abandoned wrecks, but taking it right infront of you is just griefing.
Also think its wasteful, most salvage ninjas are poorly trained alts, doubt that they have the skills to access all the salvage...
Think that the wrecks should belong to a player for 1h then be free-for-all for 2h...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: ExChange
taking it right infront of you is just griefing.
LMAO.
Quote:
most salvage ninjas are poorly trained alts, doubt that they have the skills to access all the salvage
Yeah. Those 10h for Salving III are murderous.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK?
It's not.
It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.
Simple solution to the non-issue.
Please don't take this as any bashing just for suggesting ideas. I have nothing against brainstorming on the forums. However, I'm going to let you in on a little CCP non-secret which is: "NPE". 
EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze. However, it's also accepted that, on top of the intended complexity, the tools and rules you play with/by aren't highly intuative. You are suggesting a dual functionality.. one for newbies and another for vets (of course you did not say that, however just because some people chill in newb corps and ain't newbs doesn't mean we should punish the new players) and to compound the inherent confusion in that the newbie functionality is more hostile and more open to griefing than the veteran functionality. It shouldn't be much different.. and if it had to be it should be the other way around.
From a developers mouth no less 
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:10:00 -
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If you don't want others salvaging your mission loot, fit a salvager on your ship and salvage it first.
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Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:13:00 -
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If someone is stealing your salvage, either
a) Stop jettisoning your salvage... You can shoot them if they take it already, however
b) Petition them if they magically take it out of your hangar/cargo hold.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Inroads
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tag Heuer
I'd try to salvage what's left of this thread but alas there is nothing.
You'd be stealing the salvage anyway and the OP has clearly stated their distaste for such behavior.
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Booken Blue
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:59:00 -
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wardec them, for the better or the worst.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Scaldo Pwncakes
No level 4's in highsec is a better idea.
Make mission deadspaces lo-sec is the best idea.
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari
MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.08.03 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: ExChange
Nothing against salvaging abandoned wrecks, but taking it right infront of you is just griefing.
"Abandoned wrecks" is a misnomer in this context, since it's free for all the moment it's created. You don't own the wreck itself so it is never abandoned. Working as intended.
Stop trying to make even more resources non-contestable in a way that is against the very nature of what EVE was intended to be, which is player competition in all possible forms. Most of us already know which is the one popular activity that's precisely this.
The sooner new players (including myself who got late into this game) realise this the richer and more fulfilling your EVE experience will become.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 07:23:00 -
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Because the pirates in low sec allready have such a hard life...
As a mission runner i am against this. And not because i feel sorry for the ninja salvagers, because lets be clear, they just do it to grief and not to make isk. Their only goal is to ruin the game for others (When goons say that it is suddenly something bad, but when others do it it is apparently good).
Now i dont know why some carebears worry so much about it, since unless you are in a marauder and made nice wreck balls you dont earn more with salvaging than with mission running, and even when you made nice salvage balls it depends on the mission, and for sure isnt significantly more.
Why i dont want them flagged: Because i allready would prefer it that i can change something that loot thiefes dont get flagged. When a loot thief is in my mission i got another red target flying arround, and i am scared i will accidently fire on him (which is of course exactly what they want). Luckily usually their tactic is coming back in another ship, so then i can just warp out and wait 15 minutes docked (after i accidently shot them). But then i rather have salvage thiefes, where if i accidently click to attack them, which is smaller chance due to them not being red, i still got a nice warning popup.
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