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baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.03 08:01:00 - [31] Move into low sec and this issue is sorted.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.03 08:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Labartu Sumeri Originally by: Tippia You can already shoot them if they steal your salvage. It keeps coming up because of errors like this. You CANNOT shoot them for salvage; you CAN shoot them for the loot contained within the wreck. It is not an error. If they steal your salvage, you can shoot them. Period. Even the CCP devs have confirmed this. If you can figure out why I'm right, you find the answer to why these inane threads keep popping up. FWIW, both the OPs wishes have already come true: not only can you shoot salvage thieves freely, there are sections of space where you're free to blow away anyone who enters your mission area. Seeing as we are nitpicking: - you can fire at them if they steal your salvage, without GCC (i.e. the salvage component you have already salvaged) from a can you dropped or from the wreck of your ship; - you can't fire at them without GCC if they salvaged the wrecks you made or even if they salvage the wreck of your ship. Note that GCC even if not dispalayed exist even in 0.0.
Dario Wall Caldari Corvus Industries	Posted - 2009.08.03 08:16:00 - [33] I just did my first job of ninja salvaging a moment ago. Apparently they didn't even see me in there with them while I was doing it, since they were asking in local who just stole all their salvage. Just thought I'd share.
Nouva MacGyver Caldari MacGyver Communications	Posted - 2009.08.03 09:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Furb Killer As a mission runner i am against this. And not because i feel sorry for the ninja salvagers, because lets be clear, they just do it to grief and not to make isk. Their only goal is to ruin the game for others. Why, thank you for reading the minds of all ninja salvagers and deciphering their primary intentions. You can just about expect an alliance, corporation or a player that has ninja salvaging as their regular activity to come along now to post here with detailed reports and relate to you otherwise on its profitability; but having to do that for the umpteenth time and in a lot of cases before (in other threads) in (such) a patient manner, I must admit is very kind of them in the face of repeated gross assumptions. There are a lot more definable factors that constitute grief play. You feeling grief over an intended game mechanic in this case very likely means your own inability to use available tools and alternative strategies to lessen its occurrence, or you lack the understanding that (in this situation) it is only (emotional) grief when you choose it to be.
Arrs Grazznic Pawn Sauce	Posted - 2009.08.03 10:18:00 - [35] As an old time mission runner (I wrote the EON mission running insider guides a while back), the current system is fine and does not need to be changed. GTFO of the mission hubs and problem solved. Cheers, Arrs
Jim Pooley Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.03 11:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Kahega Amielden If someone is stealing your salvage, either a) Stop jettisoning your salvage... You can shoot them if they take it already, however b) Petition them if they magically take it out of your hangar/cargo hold. I see what you did there ------------------------------------------ Mines a Pint of Large
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Viper FW This is how i think it should be. I cant share your opinion. Taking other parties stuff is always robbery, doesnt matter who shot them. So you're actually committing robbery continously during your missions without being flagged to someone serious, why should others do? Hence, flagging for looting NPC stuff should get removed completely because its ALWAYS robbery of NPC, not robbery of the robber (mission runner)!
Syrian Mettle	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Iria Ahrens If you don't want others salvaging your mission loot, fit a salvager on your ship and salvage it first. Or better yet, ask for someone in local to salvage for you and split the salvage item. You keep them alive and the rats off them and you get at least part of the salvage. A dedicated salvager will be able to clean up most of the stuff before ninja salvagers could arrive on scene in the appropraite ship and take the stuff, it's a team game you know.
Kessiaan Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:29:00 - [39] This thread makes me want to dust off my ninja-Vigil, now that I'm slowly working my sec. status back up.
Taram Caldar GK inc.	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:45:00 - [40] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/08/2009 12:45:42 Originally by: Kessiaan This thread makes me want to dust off my ninja-Vigil, now that I'm slowly working my sec. status back up. No kidding... Also... OP: be careful what you wish for. Ask miners just how much they like the can flipping code now that they can shoot ships that flip their cans ;) Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:46:00 - [41] We definitely needed another thread on this subject. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Enuen Ravenseye Gallente Beer of the Month Club LLC	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:51:00 - [42] I had someone ninja loot me the other day - not the same as ninja salvaging, but I really would have liked to have the opportunity to kill the little ***** (without being Concorded) nonetheless. Nothing like clearing a nasty Serpentis complex only to have some little bastard swoop in and steal the key to the next complex before I could reach the container (the last couple of kills took me a fair distance away). I guess the lesson learned is kill anyone who comes near you, Concord be damned. I would have lost a cruiser (compared to the newb ship he would have lost) but at least I would have had some satisfaction.
Taram Caldar GK inc.	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:58:00 - [43] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/08/2009 12:59:19 Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye I had someone ninja loot me the other day - not the same as ninja salvaging, but I really would have liked to have the opportunity to kill the little ***** (without being Concorded) nonetheless. Nothing like clearing a nasty Serpentis complex only to have some little bastard swoop in and steal the key to the next complex before I could reach the container (the last couple of kills took me a fair distance away). I guess the lesson learned is kill anyone who comes near you, Concord be damned. I would have lost a cruiser (compared to the newb ship he would have lost) but at least I would have had some satisfaction. Uh... if he loots from a wreck you made you absolutely CAN shoot him (he will turn red in your overview). If someone LOOTS a wreck you made they get GCC, to you and your corporation, and can be fired upon without interferance from concord. Be aware, however, that if you DO fire on them... they can shoot back... or they can come back in a bigger ship (for 15 minutes) and THEN shoot back.... or both. Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.03 13:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye I had someone ninja loot me the other day - not the same as ninja salvaging, but I really would have liked to have the opportunity to kill the little ***** (without being Concorded) nonetheless. Nothing like clearing a nasty Serpentis complex only to have some little bastard swoop in and steal the key to the next complex before I could reach the container (the last couple of kills took me a fair distance away). I guess the lesson learned is kill anyone who comes near you, Concord be damned. I would have lost a cruiser (compared to the newb ship he would have lost) but at least I would have had some satisfaction. No. The lesson learned is: be quick. A missed opportunity is not the same thing as theft. This goes for salvage and asteroids and free-for-all containers and all other kinds of scrap that's floating around in space: if you want it, get it before someone else does, and stop blaming others for your own slowness. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Salliene Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.03 13:36:00 - [45] Every time someone makes a thread about ninja-salvagers, the problem will just get worse. I can let out these little secrets cause I know no one will pay attention to them.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.03 13:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye I had someone ninja loot me the other day - not the same as ninja salvaging, but I really would have liked to have the opportunity to kill the little ***** (without being Concorded) nonetheless. Nothing like clearing a nasty Serpentis complex only to have some little bastard swoop in and steal the key to the next complex before I could reach the container (the last couple of kills took me a fair distance away). I guess the lesson learned is kill anyone who comes near you, Concord be damned. I would have lost a cruiser (compared to the newb ship he would have lost) but at least I would have had some satisfaction. Insofar as seeing him loot your ship wreck as well as the mission rat wrecks is satisfying, I guess.
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.03 13:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Sinuous Grace Oh dear god plz not this thread again Salvage whine 6 month forum ban. Problem solved The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.03 14:09:00 - [48] I was anti salvager, well I wanted them flagged, until someone came up with a sensible post and changed my mind. The benefits of allowing people to salvage far outweighs the downsides to the mission runners when you take the whole EVE population. It also encourages carebears like me to take the plung and try low or nul sec missions as well as do more exploration, which has turned out to be a lot of fun for me. So thanks Salvage ninjas you motivated me to do something different and I'm getting more out of the game for that. Also remember not all mission runners salvage, so if it wasn't for those players doing it the price of rigs would be a lot higher which is even more relevant with the next patch.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.03 14:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Sinuous Grace Oh dear god plz not this thread again Well it has been nearly 36 hours since the last one. lol, unless of course, I've just posted a view opposing somebody who happens to have a friend in the forum moderation brigade. In which case, I meant to agree with you lol
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.03 14:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Qwert0 Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.) I'm just pasting your entire post into notepad and saving it for convinience.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.03 14:19:00 - [51] Originally by: Tiny Tove Originally by: Sinuous Grace Oh dear god plz not this thread again Well it has been nearly 36 hours since the last one. Let's have a new round of "nerf level 4s" threads then. After all it's traditional that the summer schedule is mainly repeats.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.03 14:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Nouva MacGyver Originally by: Furb Killer As a mission runner i am against this. And not because i feel sorry for the ninja salvagers, because lets be clear, they just do it to grief and not to make isk. Their only goal is to ruin the game for others. Why, thank you for reading the minds of all ninja salvagers and deciphering their primary intentions. You can just about expect an alliance, corporation or a player that has ninja salvaging as their regular activity to come along now to post here with detailed reports and relate to you otherwise on its profitability; but having to do that for the umpteenth time and in a lot of cases before (in other threads) in (such) a patient manner, I must admit is very kind of them in the face of repeated gross assumptions. There are a lot more definable factors that constitute grief play. You feeling grief over an intended game mechanic in this case very likely means your own inability to use available tools and alternative strategies to lessen its occurrence, or you lack the understanding that (in this situation) it is only (emotional) grief when you choose it to be. Go go selective quoting. Like i said before, but you probably wont read anyway again, it is obvious that the isk they make with it is a sad ammount, that is just a fact. So if they dont do it for the isk, why do you think they do it? If they would do it for the isk, why dont they just ask in local if they may salvage someones mission? Not needing to scan it out + knowing before hand which mission it is + being able to tractor makes it alot more profitable. Seeing as that most mission runners wont be making a wreck ball, and when a ninja salvager comes in for sure they will stop doing it, and you cant tractor beam, and you got to scan the mission out, and enough of them will be crappy missions which you wasted time scanning, it is reasonably safe to assume you make less isk salvaging than when i salvage myself, which i do with a dessie with 8 salvagers from a wreck ball. Even then the fast majority of the missions dont give more isk/hour salvaging than mission running. So there is no way a ninja salvager makes more than he would when he does missions in a well fitted raven.
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.08.03 15:25:00 - [53] I had a ninja salvager try to salvage the wrecks in my Angel Extravaganza high-sec L4 mission. Now I'll admit I had an alt trying to salvage alongside me, but by the time I finished the AE mission, I had 99% of the salvage. The ninja salvager, on the other hand, was out 2 ships, some hours due to boredom, and got banned on top of it. (sorry, no exploits were involved either.) There's a rather large number of ways to deal with ninja salvagers. I'm not going to share my methods, but if you just sit back and let the ninja salvager get away with it, you deserve to lose your salvage. EVE is a sandbox, use it as such and try to be imaginative. End result: Working as intended.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.03 15:57:00 - [54] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 03/08/2009 16:05:19 Quote: - you can't fire at them without GCC if they salvaged the wrecks you made or even if they salvage the wreck of your ship. Correct, but that's not stealing. Quote: it is obvious that the isk they make with it is a sad ammount, that is just a fact. So if they dont do it for the isk, why do you think they do it? Eh? I interact with many, many ninja salvagers on a daily basis (both in my corp and outside) and a huge amount of them started because it was great money (If you do it correctly, of course). Quote: Seeing as that most mission runners wont be making a wreck ball, and when a ninja salvager comes in for sure they will stop doing it, and you cant tractor beam, and you got to scan the mission out, and enough of them will be crappy missions which you wasted time scanning, it is reasonably safe to assume you make less isk salvaging than when i salvage myself, which i do with a dessie with 8 salvagers from a wreck bal Scanning out a missionrunner takes...what, ~2 minutes? If that? A 'good mission' for a ninjasalvager is any one that has an appreciable amount of large/medium wrecks of a good faction. Tractor beams are great for being lazy, but they're not actually as efficient as you'd think unless the wrecks are, beforehand, pulled together...and even then, a ninja can focus his ISK/time towards training Salvaging (t2 salvagers + salvage tackles) whereas a missioner primarily focuses on fitting his ship..so, on average, a ninja will be far superior at salvaging than any missionrunner. Can you make as much as a good level 4 runner? No, because hisec missions are massively overpowered. But that's pretty much irrelevant. The act of salvaging is fun, it provides -enough- income...and yes, hearing people cry about lost spacemoniesÖ that wasn't theirs in the first place is also a big plus.
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: - you can't fire at them without GCC if they salvaged the wrecks you made or even if they salvage the wreck of your ship. Correct, but that's not stealing. Quote: it is obvious that the isk they make with it is a sad ammount, that is just a fact. So if they dont do it for the isk, why do you think they do it? Eh? I interact with many, many ninja salvagers on a daily basis (both in my corp and outside) and a huge amount of them started because it was great money (If you do it correctly, of course). I have recently trained up a ninja salvager alt, and I can say that it is making better money than my main did with the same amount of training. You can really make a lot of money if you can find a good mission to salvage. ________________________________________________ For changes to Minmatar Battleships click here (Now with added summary!)
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Furb Killer Go go selective quoting. Like i said before, but you probably wont read anyway again, it is obvious that the isk they make with it is a sad ammount, that is just a fact. So if they dont do it for the isk, why do you think they do it? If it's such a sad amount of ISK, why do so many people care that they swoop in and take it? Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Professor Tarantula	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:30:00 - [57] If anyone shows up and starts salvaging while you're still there, just keep warping out so the NPCs go after them. The few people who've wandered into my missions always give up after about 4 or 5 of those. I'm also fine with just docking and watching TV or something while they wait for me to come back. But If someone is salvaging your finished missions, you simply need to learn how to be faster. I had one guy try and outsalvage me and i think he only got one for all his effort. I was mocking him in local. Good times.
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Furb Killer Go go selective quoting. Like i said before, but you probably wont read anyway again, it is obvious that the isk they make with it is a sad ammount, that is just a fact. So if they dont do it for the isk, why do you think they do it? If it's such a sad amount of ISK, why do so many people care that they swoop in and take it? Because what constitutes a "sad amount" of ISK differs as your SP (and experience in playing) go up. As a new player, you can either spend SP on mission skills or mining skills and make like 500k per hour if you're lucky. Or, you can start salvaging and make, say, 10m per hour depending on the mission you happen in upon. The problem that a lot of new players who decide to do ninja salvaging is that the 10m per hour doesn't improve over time. As a miner skilltrains more, he'll eventually get into a Hulk, t2 strips, t2 crystals, exhumers 5, etc. etc. and earn more isk especially in a gang. Missioners will eventually train their way up to being able to run L4's, t2 weapons, social skills, etc., so their isk/hour is always increasing as they train more skills. Once the ninja salvager trains salvaging 5, there's really not much else he can do to improve his isk/hour. At that point, the ninja salvager doesn't really know what to do - start the long, arduous path of training mission skills and bumping standings? To the new ninja salvager EVE has always been and therefore will stay a purely salvage-based game and there's nothing else he can apply his skills to. There's very little risk involved which is highly un-EVE-like, and in the end it just gets really, really boring. And for the mission runners ourselves, we can do without the 10m in salvage... maybe once or twice. But it definitely adds up over time and it is certainly not chump change, especially for those of us who have an alt/Marauder doing the salvaging at the same time where the salvage really does mean more isk/hour instead of just a different kind of isk/hour when missioners salvage after their mission is over. TL: DR - Ninja salvaging is a good way to suck people in but not to hold onto them.
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Viper FW OK I know its allowed by CCP but I think if your running missions in 0.7+ security that someone should NOT be allowed to come in and steal your salvage and if they do then you should be at least able to shoot at them with out getting concord sicked on you. If you pod them then its should make you go global but if you just attack them or destroy there ship after they take your salvage then it should be ok. This is how i think it should be. If someone takes your salvage or loot in 0.7+ sec space, then they don't get attacked by concord but you can attack them with out going global as long as you are in the mission area and you don't pod them. /facepalm You don't own the salvagable wrecks. Nobody does. They're first come first serve. Stop whining about something you don't own. ______________ Stupid people are amazingly clever at being stupid. They interpret the phrase "idiot proof" as some sort of challenge.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:59:00 - [60] Quote: The problem that a lot of new players who decide to do ninja salvaging is that the 10m per hour doesn't improve over time. As a miner skilltrains more, he'll eventually get into a Hulk, t2 strips, t2 crystals, exhumers 5, etc. etc. and earn more isk especially in a gang. Missioners will eventually train their way up to being able to run L4's, t2 weapons, social skills, etc., so their isk/hour is always increasing as they train more skills. Once the ninja salvager trains salvaging 5, there's really not much else he can do to improve his isk/hour. On the contrary...scanning/salvaging skills make you quite a bit more efficient, especially Salvager IIs. Also, you can train up for a gank ship to protect you while you loot (which vastly increases ISK gain).

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