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Mahoui Kauie
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:38:00 -
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I am in a corporation. Let me say that again, a CORPORATION. When was the last time you witnessed, or even heard of McD's gearing up, fighting their way across the street to blow up BK's? you haven't. Because...YES! that's right! They don't! They are CORPORATIONS, they do NOT engage in WARS.
I am not in an army, or a mercenary unit, or any type of fighting group at all... Why am I in a war? Apparently my corporation was "randomly" picked. Random WarDec... how rude. Anyway, now there are several long term players: 2,3,4+ years of experience, with skill points to go along with that experience - station sitting with me, hoping I will undock and give them a fight... Riiiiight... My 3 month old miner is going to give them a fight.
Bringing this point up, with the aggressors, only to learn that n00b hunting, station squatting as it is called in Eve - is considered "LEET"....
Now I have heard it called many things, but Leet? Not in any game I have ever played or even heard of, is a seasoned veteran player killing low levels "leet". Not by a long shot. Is this what I am hoping to be in 3 or 4 years of playing Eve? Sitting outside the station, killing the new subscriber to CCP's efforts? I sincerely hope not.
Which brings me to extended station squatting, which I will now call by its name, harassment. Players keeping other player from playing the game, harassment. The aggressed or target can't go do anything. If it aint on the particular station they are in, it ain't happening: cause if they undock or try to leave, Mr.3yrPilotwithskillz2killz makes sure they are right back in the station, with or without a pod.
Having wardec's, NON consensual wardecs, in highsec is, to me (a relatively new player) is the equivalent of being able to higher/pay ConCord to escort me thru low & 0.0 sec. Seems fair to me. If the aggressor is able to bypass the high security system in all fairness the aggressed should be able to do an equivalent.
It occurs to me that CCP has already setup a place, an area, about what? 75%-80% of the game map for people to go kill each other willy nilly, why don't those who enjoy PvP go there?
Positive changes to the current wardec system; meaning a better separation of PvP and PvE; will do one thing, and one thing only: grow the subscription base for CCP. ( <-- note the period there)
When someone who enjoys PvE, wants something different that is PvP related, they can change their corp into a war unit, or implement one of the other suggested changes CCP has put into place.
On the other hand, IF CCP can, as they have always done, and out done themselves in the past, is put forth an Artificial Intelligence for rats, that will merit mention in the next awards they are up for. now THAT will be worth working for, and to be a part of, even if it is a small step I make to bring the dream of a true virtual reality come into being.
Along with this is the fact that the experienced players station camping/hunting noobs, is this:
"There is no point to WiS. Eve is a game about Internet Spaceships." "The last thing I want is for my enemies and WTs to have something to do as I camp them in a station."
People that do NOT want CCP to expand their product, advance their personal skills - and have the game remain stagnant. "When one stands still, the universe will pass you by" and I know for a fact, this is not CCP. I for one am looking forward to the time when players can WIS.
Yes I am asking for the game to be changed, and no I am not alone.
If anything I have brought up has already been addressed, then allow me to reiterate.
Thank you for allowing me to state my point of view here, to you and for taking the time to read this.
For those of you who read choose to reply please do not use degrading name calling, I ask of you to cebereate an intelligent response, think about it for a while, and then come back to post something of merit.
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Kirra Liu
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:51:00 -
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tl;dr
If you don't like it you can always go and play something else, it's not like you are mislead into thinking this was hello kitty online
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Mahoui Kauie
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu tl;dr If you don't like it you can always go and play something else, it's not like you are mislead into thinking this was hello kitty online
*toss Kirra Liu a nickle* There, now maybe you can afford to pay attention and actually read what was written before posting your opinion on it. I agree, we do not LIVE in a hello kitty world either.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:10:00 -
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Corporations like McDs, BK, etc engage in financial wars. If you don't think they're ultimately out to squeeze out their competition then you're deluding yourselves.
In a world free of regulatory bodies corporations would do whatever it takes to ensure they have total market share.
Also Gunboat diplomacy
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Raseberry
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:37:00 -
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Well, you do have a recourse. You can hire a mercenary gang to kill the campers. But I do agree with you about one thing. It is not right that a group of players can pay Concord to turn the other way. Concord should be neutral to all. Wardecs are way too easy and should be much more costly to the attacker. And there should be reparations when it is done. It appears that wardec was originally intended to build up camaraderie with players, but in fact, it does just the opposite. It breaks up corps and forces them to make more corps that basically overload the system. And those corps that are industrial should be able to purchase Concord assistance.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:00:00 -
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Warfare is what this game is all about.
It's not just a part of the game, it's what the original devs had in mind when they first started work.
Without warfare, there would be nothing for the pacifist to do - who would buy their products?
Without corp wars, how could you prevent a business rival from mining in your high-sec belts? How could you express your displeasure at that other corp that always undercuts you on the market? How could you get back at that ****** that's always smack-talking in local?
Eve isn't a nice game. It's a game where only the ruthless survive.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mahoui Kauie I am in a corporation. Let me say that again, a CORPORATION. When was the last time you witnessed, or even heard of McD's gearing up, fighting their way across the street to blow up BK's? you haven't. Because...YES! that's right! They don't! They are CORPORATIONS, they do NOT engage in WARS.
I knew this for what it was from the very first paragraph. You typed a lot of words though, and at first glance they seem to be spelled correctly with readable punctuation/linebreaks/etc. So without reading it all, I'll give you a 4/10.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:03:00 -
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what's the namr of your corp. I'll help you out for small fee.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mahoui Kauie I am in a corporation. Let me say that again, a CORPORATION. When was the last time you witnessed, or even heard of McD's gearing up, fighting their way across the street to blow up BK's? you haven't. Because...YES! that's right! They don't! They are CORPORATIONS, they do NOT engage in WARS.
You should put on your Ronald McDonald wig and go back to flipping burgers.
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Wil Stryker
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:29:00 -
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If someone can pay concord to turn a blind eye (war dec) then why cant the corp that has been war dec'd pay concord to invalidate the war?
There should be a fee for paying concord as there is about war dec'ing a corp.
example:
corp A war dec's corp B : 2 mil per week Corp B pays concord to invalidate the war : 2 * initial war dec fee (4 mil) Corp A really wants to war dec Corp B : 2 * cancellation fee ( 8 mil) Corp B really doesn't want to fight a war and pay concord again : 2 * war dec fee ( 16 mil)
and so on until one of the corps can't afford to pay the war dec or cancellation fee to concord.
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Obscure Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 04/08/2009 11:40:40
Originally by: Wil Stryker If someone can pay concord to turn a blind eye (war dec) then why cant the corp that has been war dec'd pay concord to invalidate the war?
There should be a fee for paying concord as there is about war dec'ing a corp.
example:
corp A war dec's corp B : 2 mil per week Corp B pays concord to invalidate the war : 2 * initial war dec fee (4 mil) Corp A really wants to war dec Corp B : 2 * cancellation fee ( 8 mil) Corp B really doesn't want to fight a war and pay concord again : 2 * war dec fee ( 16 mil)
and so on until one of the corps can't afford to pay the war dec or cancellation fee to concord.
Gratz, you just managed to write the dumbest post in the history of Eve Forums ever.
Edit: Was a close tie with the OP, though.
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Wil Stryker
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:48:00 -
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Why is this a dumb idea,
It gives the carebears a chance to fight back. They are not fighters but they have the isk. If you want to war dec someone war dec a pvp corp or get into 0.0.
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Kapradian
Amarr Assisted Genocide
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:03:00 -
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As a Merc any changes to war decks would effect me greatly. I allready get annoyed that the only way i can get at people in NPC corps is to suicide gank them.
Think of guys like me as your CONCORD for hire :) we will gladly get rid of the station campers for you, escourt you through low and null sec... what ever you want for a price. Hell i will even teach you about PvP so that you can fight/avoid your agressors.
War decks do encourage diversity, comradship and diplomacy skills. EvE is not all about SP and how old your char is. A good corp (especialy a indy corp) is well rounded and should be able to deal with all PvP situations. Be it market trading PvP or high sec pirates wardecking you. Indy corps are good at makiing ISK, so throw some of it around to fix your problems so that you can get back to ISK making :)
But if you wana go the weak road and earn less ISK, get bored and meet less new friends... hang in a NPC corp.
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Wil Stryker
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:25:00 -
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Fair enough, I have never been a merc.
Perhaps another way is to sell the war dec to a registered merc corp. A merc corp that is validated by concord with a history of activity. More active the merc's are, the cheaper it is to buy the war dec.
It relieves the carebear corp of the war dec and gives mercs a contract.
But i guess this is the way it is done now, but without the extra coding CCP would need to implement.
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Mary Molotov
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mahoui Kauie I am in a corporation. Let me say that again, a CORPORATION. When was the last time you witnessed, or even heard of McD's gearing up, fighting their way across the street to blow up BK's? you haven't. Because...YES! that's right! They don't! They are CORPORATIONS, they do NOT engage in WARS.
Have you tried Cooking Mama on the Wii?
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Lord DarkBear
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:28:00 -
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I know what you mean.. i've been playing eve for a couple of month and my alt got his corp wardecced from a random corp just out to kill ppl. I dont think that you shouldnt be able to wardecc another corp but it should cost alot more. The random wardecc is just a pain and their is no reson for it at all. It's one thing that you want to wardecc a corp that is stealing your ore or something..
But their is away around what i call high-sec pirates... close the corp down and reopen a new one and keep on doing that and they will give up in the end. A pice of advice.. these corp does a job in EVE to and even if you dont like it..dont smack-talk them becouse that will make it much worse.. its just a game..dont take it so personal.
One thing that i learned from my wardecc was that you cant focus everthing on mining for example. You are going to need alot of combat skills to. You must be able to face other players in combat aswell.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mahoui Kauie
Clueless whining
Wardecs are fine as they are... if you don't like wardecs, use the mechanic CCP provided and join a NPC corp.
Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
machyphy
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mahoui Kauie
Bringing this point up, with the aggressors, only to learn that n00b hunting, station squatting as it is called in Eve - is considered "LEET"....
Lol station camping is ghey(along with all other forms of empire pvp). but the tears are "LEET"
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Lee Weiseng
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mahoui Kauie Waaaaaaaaa!
The saying is "Adapt or die". not "adapt or whine".
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Jayka Kyer
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:11:00 -
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Hey, if you want war dec imunity then leave your corp, make a channel for your pals carry on working together the same as before with no more war dec(s)
If you want the extra perks that come with being offical, then make/join a corp but also put up with the risks
oh and when you are camped in a station in empire, heres a little tip for you, undock in your pod and fly to somewhere miles away till they find you again or war ends.
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Amanda Mor
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:25:00 -
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You know, just the other day I was playing Call of Duty, and all I wanted to do was roam around the map and look at the pretty scenery; just minding my own business, not bothering anybody.
Then, out of nowhere, and for no reason, some loser ******* shot at me with his big bad gun!! Why shouldn't I be able to just enjoy the map and not get shot at? This is ridiculous!
That guy thought he was soooo leet for shooting at me, but all he is is a big old meaney, I mean I just started playing the other day. I realize this is a first person shooter, but that doesn't mean the people should be shooting at me if I don't shoot at them first.
What's that you say? Call of Duty is a shooting game, and if you play it you have to be prepared to shoot someone? Oh, my bad, I guess I'll just go play some other game that I don't have to worry about being shot in. I hear this "Eve" game is pretty nice...
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blkmajik
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:48:00 -
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yea, the op has a point. I dont know of any real life corporations that are in the business of war. i mean.... oh what, whats this? or this? how about this? another? the list keeps going! make it stop! im just trying to mine in peace! now stfu ya noob
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 04/08/2009 17:07:57
Originally by: Durzel Corporations like McDs, BK, etc engage in financial wars. If you don't think they're ultimately out to squeeze out their competition then you're deluding yourselves.
In a world free of regulatory bodies corporations would do whatever it takes to ensure they have total market share.
Also Gunboat diplomacy
This basically, corporations from powerful countries regularly benefit from the militaries of their countries "taking out the competition" whether they be other corps, worker/unions or nationalized industries of the countries they invade or covertly operate in. It's not even that far fetched in this world, let alone a fantasy space universe with much less regulation and and much more exaggeration.
Stop trying to make the game boring.
However, i do agree that corps who just dec noobs are a little lame. CCP in their nanvetT prolly thought mining corps would use the mechanic to RP wardec over access to resources or smth, but that is a whole other issue. I am afraid you'll just have to learn to cope with it. Consider getting ur corp to join an alliance to make it more expensive for the deccers altho that in itself is not foolproof. well mannered a**h***
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jayka Kyer
oh and when you are camped in a station in empire, heres a little tip for you, undock in your pod and fly to somewhere miles away till they find you again or war ends.
You do know that you can pod WTs in hisec right ? well mannered a**h***
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Jayka Kyer
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Jayka Kyer
oh and when you are camped in a station in empire, heres a little tip for you, undock in your pod and fly to somewhere miles away till they find you again or war ends.
You do know that you can pod WTs in hisec right ?
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Vars Shaylo
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:46:00 -
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Look, without fighting, killing, podding, smack-talking, scamming, etc., EVE would be really kind of stupid. So, be a good sport; undock in frigate and get killed. Type GF in local, or maybe some smack-talk before you undock. Say: "I'm coming back out in my CNR," and undock in a fast frigate and try to get away. Tease them."
tl;dr: Get killed, it's fun, and no, you're not in a corporation, you're in a game. _________________ Okay, I'm an alt. |
Dunan Sanis
Lone Star Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:15:00 -
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I have the soltution to station camp : the incredible Aqua Curaaaa ! Yes Aqua Cura can help vainquish griefers, loss weight and become intelligent even if you are not a Ghoul !
Err wait.... Sorry wong game
In fact I REALLY have the solution : CCP " Walking in Station " expansion. Bored because you are trapped in a Station ? Go drink at the Lai Dai " VIP Room " and go shopping in the Caldari Navy Duty Free Shop....
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Axearm Thunk'um
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:19:00 -
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Post the name of the corp wardecing you. I'm sure there are PVP corps that would love to help out a newbie by popping some station camping leet players.
Also add a bounty if you can afford it.
Or join an NPC corp and be done with it.
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Ron Santo
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:27:00 -
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your tears are delicious, sir!
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chu tu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:25:00 -
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can i have your stuff
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