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Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.05 12:47:00 - [31] honoUr. Page Two. Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.08.05 12:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Big Gulpp Edited by: Big Gulpp on 04/08/2009 22:26:56 It is dissapointing that we live in times where the idea of "honor" is nothing more than a term and definition in a dictionary. I lost a small POS today, and yes i suppose these are my "tears". But it is sad to see that players will take out others without any provocation or motive, but only because they can. I will replace it, rebuild and move on. However, I have always believed that a fight worth fighting, is only fought in self defense or to challenge one's self. Not simply because "I can". This seems cowardly and insincere to me. my .02 tl;dr version? someone violenced my pos. . Dark Materials
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.05 13:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Emperor Cheney "honor" is a ridiculous concept in a video game, especially of the capital h "Honor" variety. I, personally, play this game straight. I don't pirate, I don't lie, none of that. But if it weren't for those who do, this wouldn't be a game at all. It would just be a whole lot of mining and really embarrassing roleplaying. Euhm, why wouldnt there be fighting? Just because eve wouldnt be filled with people who only pvp for e-peen rights doesnt mean there would be no one left pvp'ing.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.08.05 13:37:00 - [34] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 05/08/2009 13:40:31 Venerable rules of chivalry and honor do not apply to modern warfare. (Modern being from the eve perspective)
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.05 13:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Venerable rules of chivalry and honor do not apply to modern warfare. Nor did it apply to old warfare either. We look with romantic eyes on the past, only remembering the good stuff, while it was a basterd of a time, where **** an pillaging was the norm in warefare. "Good" times indeed. Today we are nice in comaprisson. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.08.05 13:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Venerable rules of chivalry and honor do not apply to modern warfare. Nor did it apply to old warfare either. We look with romantic eyes on the past, only remembering the good stuff, while it was a basterd of a time, where **** an pillaging was the norm in warefare. "Good" times indeed. Today we are nice in comaprisson. Yeah, and if you were not able to defend your land/property you would loose it. I believe that has applied through the ages of humanity and gaming.
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.05 13:56:00 - [37] Edited by: Big Gulpp on 05/08/2009 14:00:44 Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Yeah, and if you were not able to defend your land/property you would loose it. I believe that has applied through the ages of humanity and gaming. Definition and spelling of honor Here It was a poorly defended POS. Having a small facilitates mobility and I gambled that putting a small tower up, wouldn't seem worthwhile to destroy as opposed to a larger one with lots of isk invested. So my losses were small. Lesson learned, I suppose.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Venerable rules of chivalry and honor do not apply to modern warfare. Nor did it apply to old warfare either. We look with romantic eyes on the past, only remembering the good stuff, while it was a basterd of a time, where **** an pillaging was the norm in warefare. "Good" times indeed. Today we are nice in comaprisson. Also, Agincourt was won because one side (hrm, hrm) decided they wanted to killw**e… Plus ta change… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki*
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:17:00 - [39] It wasn't the pos I cared about. It was the loss of my isk printing wormhole that blows the most. Poop.
CaptainAttitude GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:22:00 - [40] Threads like this one are the reason I play eve. Keep up the good fight in this video game Big Gulpp!!
Captain Carius	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:38:00 - [41] LOL... and that last post proves that you have all been snookered..... The OP is obviously a Goon Alt trying to work his way into your trust zone for some nefarious plan....
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:44:00 - [42] Well, the only occurence of "honor" I saw in EvE was this : Link _______ Local is fine, period.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:50:00 - [43] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 05/08/2009 14:50:51 Originally by: Big Gulpp Definition and spelling of honor Here Honor = Stupid.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:02:00 - [44] I don't really see what honour has to do with popping your POS.
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:06:00 - [45] Originally by: TraininVain I don't really see what honour has to do with popping your POS. thank you for your contribution, now stop talking
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Big Gulpp Originally by: TraininVain I don't really see what honour has to do with popping your POS. thank you for your contribution, now stop talking Really. I don't identify any of the various concepts of honour one could mention with the dewy eyed snivelling happening in your posts. I think you've picked the wrong word.
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Captain Carius LOL... and that last post proves that you have all been snookered..... The OP is obviously a Goon Alt trying to work his way into your trust zone for some nefarious plan.... Well if he's a goon alt what does that make the person who killed the tower? :P
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Captain Carius LOL... and that last post proves that you have all been snookered..... The OP is obviously a Goon Alt trying to work his way into your trust zone for some nefarious plan.... Well if he's a goon alt what does that make the person who killed the tower? :P A good person? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Captain Carius LOL... and that last post proves that you have all been snookered..... The OP is obviously a Goon Alt trying to work his way into your trust zone for some nefarious plan.... Well if he's a goon alt what does that make the person who killed the tower? :P A good person? Thats not the image i was aiming for
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Captain Carius LOL... and that last post proves that you have all been snookered..... The OP is obviously a Goon Alt trying to work his way into your trust zone for some nefarious plan.... Well if he's a goon alt what does that make the person who killed the tower? :P A good person? Thats not the image i was aiming for Don't worry. Your still a piece of s*** in my book.
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:33:00 - [51] I was once playing chess with this guy and the bastard killed my king. That bloody regicide had no honor. Then I went to the chess forums and told everyone that because of this guys actions they lost a potential long term player.
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:34:00 - [52] Originally by: Hegbard I was once playing chess with this guy and the bastard killed my king. That bloody regicide had no honor. Then I went to the chess forums and told everyone that because of this guys actions they lost a potential long term player. Did i say i was quitting?
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Big Gulpp Did i say i was quitting? That's the only honourable thing to do.
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Hegbard Originally by: Big Gulpp Did i say i was quitting? That's the only honourable thing to do. How is quitting honorable?
Tian Jade Amarr Panta-Rhei	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:44:00 - [55] What I once liked about this Game is, that it is your personal Choice how honourable you are, or not. There is no Game-mechanic, no Honor-Meter and you are not Lawful Good because your Char is a Paladin. However with EVE growing the Game got a Mob-like-attitude. Pirates were no longer hunting for Ransom but mostly for Killmails. The almighty Killboard became everything, that and the short lived fun to have someone annoyed. There are still People who deal honourable. Also Honour can take up many forms. Industrialists and Traders who never Scam or PvPler who keep word if they took a Ransom or do not do Suicide Ganks. Those People are still around, but prefer to keep a low-profile, while the the Ones, who are mostly active in CAOD and Crime a. Punishment, are the Ones who should never be trusted.
LordValia	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:45:00 - [56] Some ideals are better approached than attained. Honor is one of them simply because you may hold it to yourself, but you can never expect others to do so. The only reason why it was more viable in the "old days" was because societies were smaller then. The smaller the group, the less point there is of screwing over your neighbor. But as you can see, the motive there isn't honor itself. It is self-preservation, the governing rule of living things. In short, honor is a concept that is never practiced. The only way you are honorable is if you act for honor's sake. When you do something nice, do you do it because it makes you feel better or because it's just the right thing to do? I bet because it makes you feel better. Hence, honor is never practiced. If you don't get what I'm saying, Suggested Reading: Critique of Practical Reason by Immanuel Kant
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:58:00 - [57] Quote: There are still People who deal honourable. Also Honour can take up many forms. Industrialists and Traders who never Scam or PvPler who keep word if they took a Ransom or do not do Suicide Ganks. What is dishonourable about scamming or suicide ganking? I am fascinated.
Iece Quaan Caldari Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.08.05 16:22:00 - [58] People who do things in this game 'because they can' need to look up, read, and really understand the Prisoner's Dilemma. In short, by doing it, you're creating the environment in which it's the norm to do it.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.05 16:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Big Gulpp Edited by: Big Gulpp on 04/08/2009 22:26:56 It is dissapointing that we live in times where the idea of "honor" is nothing more than a term and definition in a dictionary. I lost a small POS today, and yes i suppose these are my "tears". But it is sad to see that players will take out others without any provocation or motive, but only because they can. Where the hell did you get the idea that 'honor' meant 'you can't shoot me'? They probably had lots of honor; that towards their fellow corp mates, that towards their alliance, that towards their friends and allies. You however, are prey. Not enemy, cause you are not even close to worthy of been seens as such.
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.08.05 16:41:00 - [60] It is more common out of game then in game. MMOs and other online games have a long history of bringing out the sociopath in people - a trend I find personally disgusting but there you are. Even so - it's vanishingly rare in the real world where there are consequences. Still, there are a few in both venues. But only a few. Sorry for your loss. Probably best to simply expect such behaviour next time though. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)

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