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Hellotherehowareyou Band of Bastards	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:47:00 - [91] Edited by: Hellotherehowareyou on 06/08/2009 07:47:22 Page 4
Talon Aidian Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.06 10:58:00 - [92] Edited by: Talon Aidian on 06/08/2009 11:03:06 Edited by: Talon Aidian on 06/08/2009 11:02:25 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 06/08/2009 02:44:58 Originally by: Talon Aidian I wonder how many of the people who claim 'My character did that, I didn't.' are the same ones who spit on roleplaying. As for Honor being archaic, or imaginary, the US Military has something called the Code of Conduct. I can assure you it is -not- imaginary, nor is it something archaic. They are very real, very important directives that all Servicepeople must follow, and have legal consequences if violated. Don't make the mistake of thinking Honor is something to be treated lightly. I'm a real life Marine and Iraq veteran, and f you for thinking conduct in a spaceship video game is in any way comparable to someone who has faced real life suffering and real life risk for real life honor. If you had read the thread, and my post, you would have realized that that part of my reply was addressing the people who stated that Honor does not exist in the real world. I appreciate you taking the time to think about what is being said before replying and for demonstrating the mutual respect members of the Military can show each other.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.08.06 11:09:00 - [93] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 06/08/2009 11:16:57 Originally by: Talon Aidian Edited by: Talon Aidian on 06/08/2009 11:03:06 Edited by: Talon Aidian on 06/08/2009 11:02:25 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 06/08/2009 02:44:58 Originally by: Talon Aidian I wonder how many of the people who claim 'My character did that, I didn't.' are the same ones who spit on roleplaying. As for Honor being archaic, or imaginary, the US Military has something called the Code of Conduct. I can assure you it is -not- imaginary, nor is it something archaic. They are very real, very important directives that all Servicepeople must follow, and have legal consequences if violated. Don't make the mistake of thinking Honor is something to be treated lightly. I'm a real life Marine and Iraq veteran, and f you for thinking conduct in a spaceship video game is in any way comparable to someone who has faced real life suffering and real life risk for real life honor. If you had read the thread, and my post, you would have realized that that part of my reply was addressing the people who stated that Honor does not exist in the real world. I appreciate you taking the time to think about what is being said before replying and for demonstrating the mutual respect members of the Military can show each other. Society has laws, military organizations have laws and those are enforced. Calling a person Honorable just because he follows said laws/rules is overly dramatic in my opinion. In that regard many Eve corporations have rules of conduct that are enforced, thus emulating the real world. However the only difference between the real world and this game we play is in the enforcing, in Eve might is right, in the real world might is also right. It just so happens that governments have the might over me and thus I must obey their rules of conduct. I also find it interesting that the word for Honor in my language is received honor (reward), not something you 'are'. And the word that most closely matches 'Honorable' essentially means 'Honest'.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.08.06 12:16:00 - [94] Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. www.garia.net
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.06 12:53:00 - [95] Originally by: Talon Aidian I wonder how many of the people who claim 'My character did that, I didn't.' are the same ones who spit on roleplaying. As for Honor being archaic, or imaginary, the US Military has something called the Code of Conduct. I can assure you it is -not- imaginary, nor is it something archaic. They are very real, very important directives that all Servicepeople must follow, and have legal consequences if violated. Don't make the mistake of thinking Honor is something to be treated lightly. So basically you follow this becuase you fear the consequences if you do not? Thats not very honorable, at all, tbh. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.08.06 13:27:00 - [96] Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. SRS BSNS
ShadowMaiden Amarr Divine Radiance	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:09:00 - [97] Originally by: Big Gulpp Edited by: Big Gulpp on 04/08/2009 22:26:56 It is dissapointing that we live in times where the idea of "honor" is nothing more than a term and definition in a dictionary. I lost a small POS today, and yes i suppose these are my "tears". But it is sad to see that players will take out others without any provocation or motive, but only because they can. I will replace it, rebuild and move on. However, I have always believed that a fight worth fighting, is only fought in self defense or to challenge one's self. Not simply because "I can". This seems cowardly and insincere to me. my .02 Honour....in a computer game riiiiiiight...
CaptainAttitude GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:14:00 - [98] Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. You are delusional. CAOD has always been garbage and this thread isn't about Goons.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:19:00 - [99] Originally by: CaptainAttitude Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. You are delusional. CAOD has always been garbage and this thread isn't about Goons. yeah, classic "the old times were better" nonsense, CAOD is the same as it has been.
Callimminniss Prdsk Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:32:00 - [100] Noah Webster was a curmudgeonly temperate old bastard who would have struggled to get into the lowest of corps, and Dr Johnson was an irrascible git who could have only got into my corp if he'd plied us with port and promised to win us the BIG 'win a titan' crossword competition. So you can see that, however you spell /oner/, in some quarters at least Eve is still a game for gentlemen. CP

Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:10:00 - [101] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Originally by: CaptainAttitude Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. You are delusional. CAOD has always been garbage and this thread isn't about Goons. yeah, classic "the old times were better" nonsense, CAOD is the same as it has been. Actually, no. CAOD was never a warm and fluffy place, but it had some intrinsic value in the past. Not so much now. I won't point a finger at Goons... mostly because it's unnecessary to point out the obvious. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:45:00 - [102] Originally by: Tian Jade And how do you define "too incompetent to defend themselves"? Everyone who is doing PvP might sometimes end in a 20 to 1 or even 50 to 1 Situation. In most cases you can plan ahead for these things. If you're facing 50 to 1 odds, the chances are you didn't do your research prior to moving to a location. Competence also includes social skills to contact the locals, assess threats and so on. Sometimes you get into a really rough spot though, and then I doubt it's about 'honour', then it's more probably about you posing a threat to (eg. pets for a larger alliance) or being in the way of a bigger entities expansion. This is all a part of this game, and doesn't mean that someone is without "honour" because they eliminated you. I would say in 9 cases out of 10, if a 50 man corporation eliminated you and your three friends. It has got nothing to do with "honour", it has got to do with game-incompetence. And expecting a freebie despite being a klutz is no better than putting one's faith to some imaginary superbeing to help you (eg. nonsense). Quote: Also Honour and Respect are still different things. Honour is something coming from the Inside. Doing or not doing certain things because of personal moral Code. When you're asking someone to be "honourable", you're asking them to give you respect. And as already stated, respect is earned. Empathy has it's place in a game too, I agree. But it should be reserved to those that deserve it. Quote: Respect is how you are viewed by Others. snip And you're saying being "honourable" has nothing to do with what others think of you? The entire point of having some e-honour is so others can recognice it. Anything else is just something people tell themselves to feel better about it. Same thing with the japanese samurai or whatever. If it was all about internal behaviour they wouldn't have done it. It's a social norm, and it happens intersubjectively (eg. through the recognition by others). It's really all about "proper behaviour", the 'I'm honourable'-part is just a title one bestows upon oneself to try and feel better. Like all the other invented labels: "Pious", "Innocent", "Holy" or whatever. As an ideal it's probably a good thing, but anyone who thinks it's not about recognition in the eyes of others is deluding themselves. And, again. Recognition in the eyes of others is something that is earned. Quote: I do not do certain things because they go against my personal choice of Morals. Yes to a degree I even apply them to a Spaceship Video Game. (You may type LOL now, if you wish) The reason you're even mentioning this is because you're seeking recognition for being a follower of a certain code of 'proper' behaviour. But I think you're lying to yourself if you're saying that you won't break your morals... eg. if you believe someone is undeserving. You'll find rationalizations about why you break these oaths. If it's not an enemy, it's a convenience. Personally I think that it's great to have these codes - but do they stop us from being human? Definitely not. Even the prince charming of the sword-waving self-aggrandizement culture that were the samurai broke these codes. They did it simply by quantifying certain groups of people as lesser than them (usually these clowns go around thinking that they're better than others simply because they believe in a certain set of codes they made up) - if it was a bunch of servants that this "Mr. Honourable"-character saw as 'undeserving', he could have them all executed. And boy if the nonsense didn't stop a bunch of Bushido-toting hypocrites from raping, plundering, and murdering ... because of convenient excuses that allowed them to do what they really wanted in the first place.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:45:00 - [103] Quote: The point is, that I do not care about your respect or if I am respected by 99,9% of the Playerbase. I do things how I see them fit. I do not care about K/D stats, how great the Titan Fleet of Alliance XYZ is, or that you have Spy Accounts everywhere. My point is that you're lying to yourself.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.06 18:25:00 - [104] Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. u mad Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2009.08.06 20:14:00 - [105] Honour is fighting a battle you can lose. ___ Space for Rent, free beer for signature, preferably with colours! (no pink)
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.08.06 20:51:00 - [106] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Quote: The point is, that I do not care about your respect or if I am respected by 99,9% of the Playerbase. I do things how I see them fit. I do not care about K/D stats, how great the Titan Fleet of Alliance XYZ is, or that you have Spy Accounts everywhere. My point is that you're lying to yourself. Spoken like a true Grad. "Holier than thou to the end" (isn't that the 'fourth' rule of thumb)? KB Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land.
Sakura Nihil Selective Pressure	Posted - 2009.08.06 21:30:00 - [107] As this is not a "whaaaaambulance" thread, but rather somewhat quality, I won't troll. Look, you're treating this game's population as if we all by default care about each other and have a "live, and let live" policy by default. Newsflash - its the other way around. This is a dog-eat-dog world, and you made a mistake by erecting a POS you couldn't adequately defend. Next time, have friends, a defense plan, something, not just "why are you shooting at it, I didn't do anything to you". Selective Pressure is recruiting.
Clementina Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.06 23:02:00 - [108] Originally by: rValdez5987 That doesn't stop me from being honorable and being extremely angry that the weak feel a need to band together in ridiculous numbers to kill the strong, but I digress. If the "weak" are killing the "strong", then are the "weak" weak? Are the "strong" strong?
Clementina Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.06 23:48:00 - [109] On Honor; I don't know if I am being trolled or not, and not knowing the mechanics of high-sec POS operation, probably cannot appraise such facts as whether this is a troll from this thread alone. So I am going to assume that it is not. So in serious reply, I will remark that people are talking past each other because there are actually several definitions of honor; two of which are "Honor is your equitable conduct towards others" and "Honor is an observer's estimation of your power". There will be doubters as to whether anyone actually believed the second definition. For the latter case actually being used I will first let you read the words of a philosopher. Originally by: "Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, chapter 10" 48. Nor does it alter the case of honour, whether an action (so it be great and difficult, and consequently, a sign of much power,) be just or unjust: for honour consisteth only in the opinion of power. Therefore the ancient heathen did not think they dishonoured, but greatly honoured the Gods, when they introduced them in their poems, committing **s, thefts, and other great, but unjust, or unclean acts: insomuch as nothing is to be so much celebrated in Jupiter, as his adulteries, nor in Mercury, as his frauds and thefts: of whose praises, in a hymn of Homer, the greatest of this, that being born in the morning, he invented music at noon, and before night, stolen away the cattle of Apollo, from his herdsmen. 49.** Also amongst men, till there were constituted great commonwealths, it was thought no dishonuor to be a pirate, or a highway thief; but rather a lawful trade, not only amongst the Greeks, but also amongst all other nations; as is manifest in their histories of ancient time. And at this day, in this part of the world, private duels are, and always will be honourable, though unlawful, till such time as there shall be honour ordained for them that refues, and ignominy for them that make the challenge. For duels also are many times effects of courage; and the ground of courage is always strength or skill, which are power; though for the most part they are the effects of rash speaking, and the fear of dishonour, in one, or both the combatants; who engaged by rashness, are driven into the lists to avoid disgrace The Eve player base seems to adhere to a more ancient view of honor than what is found in real life in the modern world. I would argue though that Equitable conduct towards your fellow Eve players is a sign of power, especially since doing so would flow from your own nature, rather than any force applied from the outside. Treating people fairly in game demonstrates contempt for cheap isk, cheap kills, cheap smack, and the approval of mouthbreathers. And the contempt for the cheap is a sign of power. I would also argue that it is not dishonorable to be a pirate, to lay siege to an undefended POS, or to suicide gank miners in empire. Since these things are demonstrations of power, and also already should be well expected and planned for by all members of Eve's societies.
Michwich	Posted - 2009.08.07 01:41:00 - [110] Child please, youre dealing with the lowest of the low here what did you expect? You want honor and civility join the game of life, this game is made for greifers and gankers. Havent you noticed yet? Of course not, pay your monthly sub and shutup. Or dont.

Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2009.08.07 01:56:00 - [111] In the absence of consequence, "because I can" is just as solid a reason as any other, to do anything. /Ben
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.07 02:32:00 - [112] I thought honor meant riding with expanded cargo holds on your carrier into battle? Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2009.08.07 02:33:00 - [113] Originally by: THE L0CK I thought honor meant riding with expanded cargo holds on your carrier into battle? Dreadnought, not carrier ;)
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.08.07 04:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Guilliman R Honour is fighting a battle you can lose. Excellent statement! I will reiterate that honour/honor may have not been the best term to use here, although I will say a code of conduct definitely comes into play. I have CHOSEN not to grief or destroy players that do not have defensive or offensive capabilities. I.E. Hulks, freighters, or other non-combat vessels. I have let these players go after putting them into structure and telling them to "be more careful" My POS sucked and that's that. Lesson learned but i won't bring my alt's NYX out to kill a small poorly defended POS. My .02
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.07 07:32:00 - [115] Originally by: Guilliman R Honour is fighting a battle you can lose. No, that just means you have faild at gathering intelligence, or got jumped :). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.08.07 08:48:00 - [116] talk to chribba..... his trustworthiness is a valuable asset. he's even made a fraken business out of it, a profitable one at that. ------------------------------ Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.08.07 11:36:00 - [117] Originally by: Typhado3 talk to chribba..... his trustworthiness is a valuable asset. he's even made a fraken business out of it, a profitable one at that. Chribba has honor.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.07 11:36:00 - [118] I'm honororable Or was it adororable? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.08.07 11:50:00 - [119] There are plenty of honourable players in the game, even allowing for some fairly twisted, MMO/RPG-type definitions of the concept. "Honour among thieves" comes to mind. A few of these honourable folks are well known, but most quietly go about their game rarely noticed outside of the community of their corps whilst cheerfully ignoring these Forums. You'll just have to find them as time goes by.
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.07 12:43:00 - [120] Bleat about honour all you want, but it won't put your ship back together.



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