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Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.07 12:45:00 - [121] in eve online "honor" is an appeal by a weaker entity to convince a stronger entity to deny itself some/all of its advantages in a conflict, and the stronger entity falling for it. many failed space holding corps/alliances were chased back to empire with their "honor" intact.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.08.07 13:05:00 - [122] Originally by: Panzram in eve online "honor" is an appeal by a weaker entity to convince a stronger entity to deny itself some/all of its advantages in a conflict, and the stronger entity falling for it. many failed space holding corps/alliances were chased back to empire with their "honor" intact. EVE is a game. Honor is just another form of smack in EVE, really.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.07 13:16:00 - [123] Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. lol goons r t3h anti christ!1111
Novan Leon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.07 17:03:00 - [124] The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. If you enjoy flexing your muscles, destroying stuff and get a thrill out of the fear/attention/respect it gives you, then that's how you'll play. The only "honor" for this kind of player is in how many people he's destroyed. These kinds of players usually have a rampant thirst for killmails and don't usually care who or what they kill/destroy/maim. If you enjoy a challenge and testing your skills, then that's how you'll play. These kinds of players will usually seek out challenging targets or fight between equals. The "honor" for this kind of player is in knowing that his skills are the best of the best. These kinds of players may not bother non-PVP players in favor of more satisfying targets. If you enjoy working with a group to build wealth and control territory, then that's how you'll play. These kinds of players will tend to attack other players based on their group-based objectives or territorial boundaries. These player's "honor" is based on the wealth, power and prestige of their corporation or alliance, and accomplishing the collective goals of their group. Others enjoy cooperating with and helping others. Their "honor" is in being respectful and helpful to others. Perhaps they're members of an anti-pirate corp or work as a group to mine or rat in low-sec. I'm sure there are many other types of "honor" in EVE. The difference between EVE and reality is that in EVE there is no morality. It's all fictitious. In EVE especially, "honor" is only what we make it for ourselves. Some player's sense of honor imitates their sense of honor in real life, based on real life morality, most do not. Even in real life "honor" is very subjective. The only consistent element we have in real life on which to base our sense of "honor" is morality (and even that is debatable).
JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.08.07 17:04:00 - [125] Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. No
Frug Repo Industries	Posted - 2009.08.07 17:08:00 - [126] Originally by: Panzram in eve online "honor" is an appeal by a weaker entity to convince a stronger entity to deny itself some/all of its advantages in a conflict, and the stronger entity falling for it. many failed space holding corps/alliances were chased back to empire with their "honor" intact. edit- not to be confused with political skill or trustworthiness on the alliance/corp level. If you can't separate e-honor and eve politics you are prob bad at the later. Quoting goon truth. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Novan Leon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.07 17:31:00 - [127] Originally by: JitaBum Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. No Yes. To elaborate, what you gain the most enjoyment from (as a person) helps determine how you will play the game.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.08.07 17:46:00 - [128] Originally by: Guilliman R Honour is fighting a battle you can lose. /thread -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.08.07 18:16:00 - [129] Keep in mind that PIRATE and HONOUR are not contradicting terms. ____ Rockets need a boost. CCP status: [_] Told. [x] Not told. ◕◡◕
Novan Leon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.07 18:38:00 - [130] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Panzram in eve online "honor" is an appeal by a weaker entity to convince a stronger entity to deny itself some/all of its advantages in a conflict, and the stronger entity falling for it. many failed space holding corps/alliances were chased back to empire with their "honor" intact. edit- not to be confused with political skill or trustworthiness on the alliance/corp level. If you can't separate e-honor and eve politics you are prob bad at the later. Quoting goon truth. "honor" being laregly subjective, this is both true and false.

Enraku Reynolt Minmatar Mid Knights Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.07 21:00:00 - [131] you need to slap one of them and demand satisfaction ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same
Weight What	Posted - 2009.08.07 21:42:00 - [132] Originally by: Nova Fox Honor is a character trait which represents the highest standards of yourself, in being absolutly sticking to what you should really be no matter how bad the temptation is. They're not some points you gather from killing things or performing combat at all. Or drawing pictures of ****ty starships, for that matter. ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.08.07 23:55:00 - [133] Originally by: Novan Leon Originally by: JitaBum Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. No Yes. To elaborate, what you gain the most enjoyment from (as a person) helps determine how you will play the game. For some, the way we play eve is a reflection of who we are NOT. KB Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land.
Ivana Drake Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.	Posted - 2009.08.08 00:15:00 - [134] it only makes sense to have honour in EVE if you get business from it see: Chribba
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2009.08.08 03:27:00 - [135] Since this is EVE it's mostly about Honor amongst thieves ... This is where it comes from ... --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Fire Seal	Posted - 2009.08.09 02:40:00 - [136] Edited by: Fire Seal on 09/08/2009 02:43:51 Edited by: Fire Seal on 09/08/2009 02:42:25 Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: Novan Leon Originally by: JitaBum Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. No Yes. To elaborate, what you gain the most enjoyment from (as a person) helps determine how you will play the game. For some, the way we play eve is a reflection of who we are NOT But to want to play a game in a way that's opposite of your normal behavior in the real world, you have to find that behavior fun at some level. You may have the common sense not to indulge in that behavior in the real world but EVE gives you the opportunity to behave however you wish free from consequences (relatively speaking). This exactly why there is so little "honor" in EVE. "Honor" is a set of guidelines or rules and people want the freedom to play in a world without rules.
Novan Leon	Posted - 2009.08.09 02:46:00 - [137] Edited by: Novan Leon on 09/08/2009 02:46:08 That was me ^ by the way. Forum settings decided to use my alt.
Pirate McTackler	Posted - 2009.08.16 12:27:00 - [138] c u on teh battlefield
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.08.16 12:31:00 - [139] Originally by: Weight What Originally by: Nova Fox Honor is a character trait which represents the highest standards of yourself, in being absolutly sticking to what you should really be no matter how bad the temptation is. They're not some points you gather from killing things or performing combat at all. Or drawing pictures of ****ty starships, for that matter. I get no honor from drawing spaceships just enough attention for you to point that out. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 29JUL09
Caelum Mortuos Gallente Zero G Research and Development	Posted - 2009.08.16 14:07:00 - [140] The mis-spelling of honour in this thread makes me cry Also, lol internet spaceship bushido

Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.16 14:21:00 - [141] Originally by: Caelum Mortuos The mis-spelling of honour in this thread makes me cry Also, lol internet spaceship bushido Welcome to the rest of the world, where not all words are spelled the same. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.08.16 14:28:00 - [142] Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/08/2009 14:28:44 Originally by: Caelum Mortuos The mis-spelling of honour in this thread makes me cry Also, lol internet spaceship bushido According to Britanica and Webster Honor is an an acceptable spelling because its closely related to its latin originator which oddly enough is spelt 'Honor'. The spelling Honour was created by the anglo-frenchmen to accomidate their language during that era when it was in use. So apperantly you're crying over milk not spilt. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 29JUL09
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar RaouLCrew	Posted - 2009.08.16 15:20:00 - [143] Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 16/08/2009 15:24:16 The main issue with trying to be honourable in EVE is that unlike in the real world where it's simple enough to tell whether or not a person is lying about things such as their wealth etc, in EVE the guy could claim to have only 17mil isk left and no items of value while you're keeping his faction tanked Hulk at structure damage, with several hundred million isk safely tucked in his always-accessible wallet and various wealthy friends he could easily ask to act as a proxy so that he could otherwise afford your reasonable ransom at that point in time rather than you giving him the opportunity to dock up and give you nothing. breaaaathe Ransoming mechanics need to be reworked so that ransoms work as real-time contracts with timers on them. Example: 10 guys are in local, one is a miner, 5 are -5 or lower and the other 4 are positive-sec players. The miner is attacked by 3 of the -5 guys, two are still unseen, but are not from the same corporation. The 4 positive-sec players are nowhere to be seen either. The miner is ransomed by these three guys; there is a publicly accessible history of ransoms, similar to the 'show contracts' button, on each of the players' info pages; this has automated graphs that will take into account the ages, ship 'values' and involved parties, so that they are quick and easy enough to understand. The same information will also automatically retrieve and store client side 'associated' information, such as players involved in kills that that player has had, and will allow for a secondary icon to be shown on player portraits, similar to the global criminal, good/bad standings etc icons, which may now highlight the other two -5 players in local as 'involved' with the three the miner is being attacked by. The miner has this information and agrees to pay a ransom based on the agreement that the other two -5 players show themselves and become 'involved' in the ransom, for the following reason; When ransoming, a trade window of sorts is brought up with customizable information for both parties that can be individually agreed upon or disagreed upon. This information includes, among other things, a limited time of 'invulnerability' on the Miner's part from all the aggressing parties involved, who are all displayed in the 'contract', and the ransom amount that is agreed upon. If the ransom succeeds, the group of -5 players will receive their ransom and immediately lose lock on their target (note: this would not render their target immune to area of effect weapons such as smartbombs or bombs in general, but their use and subsequent destruction of their target would result in negative marks on their ransoms, which includes taking into account 'involved parties'). The aforementioned would include having a 'mortality rate' graph for victims to show the likelyhood of their survival, and a list of those that didn't survive, as well as how long from the completion of the ransom their death occurred and for what reason(s) (NPCs, being attacked 5 minutes later at another low-sec gate by other -5 players, etc) Ransoms could also be offset based on whether or not the ransomed party actually survives or not, taking into account whether the reason he died was because of the two -5 players that, in a different case, did NOT show themselves and did NOT take part in the ransoming process, but still counted as 'involved' parties. Through 'contract' controlled parameters, the ransomed party could agree to paying none of, or only a portion of a ransom if these involved parties destroy their ship within X amount of time of the ransom agreement. All in all it would allow players to assert their honourability in-game, as well as allowing those ransomed even the minutest amount of 'security' during the transactions. --- I has a blog. Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.08.16 15:52:00 - [144] Okay kiddies... take a deep breath and repeat this 100 times while sitting in the lotus position... "It's just a game, with sparkly lights and blinky bits, but Spaceman Biff, does not exist." Honour is a choice, not a box you can "click" on the Prefs page -- so stop agonizing over something the game code can't and won't accommodate. The game is a "sandbox", and implicit in that term, whether you like it or not, is the analogy that just like a sandbox in any community playground, not all the kids will play, or want to play, "nice".
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.16 17:07:00 - [145] Originally by: Lothris Andastar Try Spelling Honor Correctly. You spelled it wrong, but I fixed it for you. hth~ "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.16 17:57:00 - [146] Edited by: Bazuka on 16/08/2009 18:03:50 Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. If you enjoy flexing your muscles, destroying stuff and get a thrill out of the fear/attention/respect it gives you, then that's how you'll play. The only "honor" for this kind of player is in how many people he's destroyed. These kinds of players usually have a rampant thirst for killmails and don't usually care who or what they kill/destroy/maim. If you enjoy a challenge and testing your skills, then that's how you'll play. These kinds of players will usually seek out challenging targets or fight between equals. The "honor" for this kind of player is in knowing that his skills are the best of the best. These kinds of players may not bother non-PVP players in favor of more satisfying targets. If you enjoy working with a group to build wealth and control territory, then that's how you'll play. These kinds of players will tend to attack other players based on their group-based objectives or territorial boundaries. These player's "honor" is based on the wealth, power and prestige of their corporation or alliance, and accomplishing the collective goals of their group. Others enjoy cooperating with and helping others. Their "honor" is in being respectful and helpful to others. Perhaps they're members of an anti-pirate corp or work as a group to mine or rat in low-sec. I'm sure there are many other types of "honor" in EVE. The difference between EVE and reality is that in EVE there is no morality. It's all fictitious. In EVE especially, "honor" is only what we make it for ourselves. Some player's sense of honor imitates their sense of honor in real life, based on real life morality, most do not. Even in real life "honor" is very subjective. The only consistent element we have in real life on which to base our sense of "honor" is morality (and even that is debatable). I like this post because it`s full of undisputable facts and anyone that doesn`t agree is in denial of some kind. I also think Bushido concept is ultra cool but I don`t like to use that word because of two things: - When you pronounce it sounds a bit like Bullshiito! - It also contains the surname of a tard called George W. ___________ CareMyBear!
Belrend Coregaul	Posted - 2009.08.16 19:18:00 - [147] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Garia666 Ever since the goons joined eve "honour" left it. coad was seriouse once. people matterd and payed respect. now its one way flame fest. There still acouple of players left in this game who have an sence of honour.. but not to much.. However it has nothing to do with blowing up stuff. more the way how you do it. Anyway if you play long enough and adept. you wont feel disapointed over an small loss. SRS BSNS idiot.
Solifugae Arachnis Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.08.16 19:40:00 - [148] Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. Leave the armchair psychoanalysis to the pro armchair analysists such as Mittens, who I am sure will write another blog about stuff he made up.
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.08.16 20:01:00 - [149] Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. ... and everyone who enjoys GTA will become the next high school spree shooter.
SquadBroken Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.16 20:03:00 - [150] Originally by: Novan Leon The way we play EVE is a reflection of who we are. No.



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