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Bodhidauruma Gallente Triumvirate Maximus	Posted - 2009.08.18 15:43:00 - [1] Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets. Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region." He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." http://www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/#continued
Zastrow J	Posted - 2009.08.18 15:55:00 - [2] sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks
JonnyKay Gallente Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:00:00 - [3] I highly doubt that people will be able to fight for every habitable planet in eve =o that's alot of levels for CCP to design lol. I thought it was based around the Empire factions and not 0.0 alliance stuff? (mind you i havent read into it much) _________________________________________________ "Being Minmatar is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an Uzi"
Staggerr Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:02:00 - [4] Instead of pos warfare we can now spin ships waiting for our team of DUST players to win a campaign. Now if they are actually gonna introduce walking in stations during my life time I can make new friends while other people play the game for me.
NimBetu Cayal Amarr The Vorlon Empire	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:13:00 - [5] Thread already started Here
Admiral Frools Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Admiral Frools on 18/08/2009 16:19:59 As long as we can blow these x-box *gots up by nuking their ** from orbit, I'm cool with it edit: Also it's gonna be pretty cool throwing piles and piles of jewgold at peasants to get them to fight for sov
Koro Sarum Amarr Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Staggerr Instead of pos warfare we can now spin ships waiting for our team of DUST players to win a campaign. Now if they are actually gonna introduce walking in stations during my life time I can make new friends while other people play the game for me. yay for outsourcing work -I am by far the most annoying person ive ever met -if you though sparta was madness, obviously you haven't met me
Kurt Ambrose Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Kurt Ambrose on 18/08/2009 16:29:47 So now i can shoot spaceships on my PC and kill people in DUST at the same time on my xbox
Cthul Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Edited by: Kurt Ambrose on 18/08/2009 16:29:47 So now i can shoot spaceships on my PC and kill people in DUST at the same time on my xbox I hope you are better at Dust than you are at Eve, or I don't think your plan is going to work out so well
Kurt Ambrose Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Cthul Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Edited by: Kurt Ambrose on 18/08/2009 16:29:47 So now i can shoot spaceships on my PC and kill people in DUST at the same time on my xbox I hope you are better at Dust than you are at Eve, or I don't think your plan is going to work out so well I will most likely be terrible at both so everythings good.
Sappho Lesbos Caldari Swarm Of Locusts	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:50:00 - [11] As long as the space holding alliances can control the deployment of their mighty 13 year old xbox warriors it might be okay, but these 1337 halo lolcatz better not be able to affect sov politics in any serious way outside of the current mechanics. I know the current sov system sucks and all, but I don't think "let the prepubescent boys figure it out" was what everyone's looking for. c/d
MoonsOverMyHammy Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:56:00 - [12] Sry CCP this is going to crash and burn
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:08:00 - [13] Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!!
Zastrow J	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!! Hello. Goonfleet comes from the forum community somethingawful.com, a community with a very large membership. As with any MMO, there will assuredly be a Goonsquad formed from this community. Do you see where this is going
IceGoon Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:14:00 - [15] Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:16:47 Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!! Your an idiot if you think another level of logistics+cost will make it easier for alliance to take and hold space.
MoonsOverMyHammy Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:18:00 - [16] Originally by: MoonsOverMyHammy Sry CCP this is going to crash and burn
Lickity Split Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:20:00 - [17] i assume it will only come out on one or the other of the ps or xbox. either way i think alot of eve players will either quit because the game they are playing is now controled by others outside of eve. or it will force people who already spend many hours a day maintaining a large alliance to play another game to maintain the same thing that they where doing before. either way it will be alot of quiting ,or alot of divorces, or abandon kids sitting in their yard waiting on their father to come play catch with them since he is now spending all day at his comp to maintain his alliance, or finally alot more kids failing out of school due to addiction to mmo and now a fps. other than thoses things, great idea ccp.
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Zastrow J Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!! Hello. Goonfleet comes from the forum community somethingawful.com, a community with a very large membership. As with any MMO, there will assuredly be a Goonsquad formed from this community. Do you see where this is going Calm down, I'm sure meta gamming will some how be implemented.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Marlona Sky Calm down, I'm sure meta gaming will some how be implemented. Lets hope friendly fire is on so you can stab traitors in the face.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:39:00 - [20] what a dreadful idea also, I'm fully expecting this dust thing to fail miserably, much like everything else CCP has attempted (apart from eve) ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Dregek Minmatar Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Dregek on 18/08/2009 17:55:16 Originally by: JonnyKay I highly doubt that people will be able to fight for every habitable planet in eve =o that's alot of levels for CCP to design lol. I thought it was based around the Empire factions and not 0.0 alliance stuff? (mind you i havent read into it much) i think its gonna be more likely that we will see a capital planet per system with each of these being randomly generated using a set of base textures an building based on the history of the regional pirates. fake edit: wonder if the minnie planets will look like their ships and be full of rust, duck tape and chewing gum
YesI'mWatching Minmatar Infinite Horizons Unlimited Horizons	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:02:00 - [22] I don't see how it can fail really. I think CCP should invest in a card game and mebe sov can then be controlled by playing Top Trumps, oh wait....
Lucias Trask Gallente The White Aces	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:08:00 - [23] I hope they implement Titans able to DDD planets. Then the DustBunnies will be able to know whats it like to eat Doomsday. I cannot see PL and Goons not just running around DDDing planets during their bored time when they know DustBunnies are fighting down there. IMPLEMENT PLANET DOOMSDAYS CCP!!! [PANIC]
ChowMung Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:27:00 - [24] Edited by: ChowMung on 18/08/2009 18:27:29 Ugh. No I don't want to buy a **ing console. If CCP seriously ties sov to this in any shape or form, they're ****ed.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Kahora Catori	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:28:00 - [25] YAY!... High Sec Corps and Alliances will be able to affect SOV in 0.0 without ever leaving the trade hubs... CHIRRBA sends 1000 Pre-teens to conquer NOL-M9 from Veldnaught central... somewhere from the depths of some dead end High-Sec system... "I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." I love this!
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:30:00 - [26] :cripes: ---
Staggerr Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:49:00 - [27] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Marlona Sky Calm down, I'm sure meta gaming will some how be implemented. Lets hope friendly fire is on so you can stab traitors in the face. Lets hope that instead of a 'spy' character, there will not be a global announcement, as in X killed X. Im sure you can see where this is going.
Larkonis TrassIer Minmatar Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:52:00 - [28] Seeing as noone has any idea how this will be implemented stop doomsaying. I for one think it's pretty damn awesome and has the potential to be something completely different to anything seen in gaming so far. Very nice and very ambitious CCP. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Xiaodown Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:53:00 - [29] Originally by: IceGoon Your an idiot if you think another level of logistics+cost will make it easier for alliance to take and hold space. Aside from meaning to say "you're", your point is completely valid. I think. If the argument is whether or not this will make it easier to take space, the alliances who already own space (and more specifically, R64's), will be able to fund these campaigns much easier than any band of merry pretenders. Which, I mean, is fine. Except, I don't want to get into a scenario where someone can just dump 500 billion onto Dust 514 and take over a region where the defenders can't do anything about it. Also, boy is this going to be an Isk sink. --
Dramaticus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:54:00 - [30] This could completely wipe out the goons existence on EVE. Think about it. The goons generally suck at twitch based combat games and EVE is the only MMO where they were able to get a foothold into actually doing something, and even this came at the discretion of someone completely out of their alliance. So if I bring all my buddies on XBL to play this game and we completely destroy all the worthless goons every time they step foot onto our battlefield they will never get high sovereignty in Delve. This could be awesome. I hope the gameplay is on par with other shooters that are prepped to launch in the coming months so this actually matters. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Too Stoned Minmatar Altless Green Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:57:00 - [31] Originally by: Admiral Frools Edited by: Admiral Frools on 18/08/2009 16:19:59 As long as we can blow these x-box *gots up by nuking their ** from orbit, I'm cool with it edit: Also it's gonna be pretty cool throwing piles and piles of jewgold at peasants to get them to fight for sov Now that sounds like a blast!!
Dramaticus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Dramaticus This could completely wipe out the goons existence on EVE. Think about it. The goons generally suck at twitch based combat games and EVE is the only MMO where they were able to get a foothold into actually doing something, and even this came at the discretion of someone completely out of their alliance. So if I bring all my buddies on XBL to play this game and we completely destroy all the worthless goons every time they step foot onto our battlefield they will never get high sovereignty in Delve. This could be awesome. I hope the gameplay is on par with other shooters that are prepped to launch in the coming months so this actually matters. no one ever reads the bottom of the page Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Trent Nichols Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:09:00 - [33] Dust looks and sounds fantastic, right up to the point he says an FPS will determine SOV in EVE. I know the kind of people who play console FPS games and I have no desire to interact with them in any way, much less in Eve. This great looking game sounds like it will be the worst thing CCP has done to Eve since I started playing 3 years ago. To CCP: Planetary control and planet based sov is what many players want but not like this! Eve players and only Eve players should determine what territory they control. Colonies and Capitals
Chack'Nul Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:10:00 - [34] http://rockstarchan.com/bro/src/125060740437.jpg
Beverly Sparks Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:16:00 - [35] This will either be revolutionary and awesome, or fail miserably. Either way, I think it is pretty ballsie on CCP's part to even try it.... I hope it works out for them. Ultimately though, I think this game/concept needs to be fully integrated into EvE or it will fail. And get it away from the gaming console. Integrate something sort of like MechWarrior into EvE for Ground combat. Utilize the Bridging/Cyno concept to position your ground forces onto planets. Make a module in space that you could put up to block inserting troops. Killing this would alert the enemy of your intentions, and then in an hour or so, it would drop and the ground battle could begin. So then you could possibly get a Ship-Ship fight or ground combat. Then make it realistic, with bombardment being possible, as well as anti-ship fire from the planets surface. Would be cool to see a parallel battle taking place. I could see something like that adding to the overall experience. Although I hate the idea of it being a Console FPS.
maddmaxx III Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:21:00 - [36] Edited by: maddmaxx III on 18/08/2009 19:25:01 Edited by: maddmaxx III on 18/08/2009 19:24:46 Sounds like a cool idea, but I really cant see ccp putting sov control in the hands of prepubescent halo players. Have to see how it pans out though, not enough details available yet to jump to any conclusions.
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:27:00 - [37] Dust 514? Time to replay the 513 prequels -clp
Romale Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:34:00 - [38] hey ccp, please note something: console mmo's dont do well because they charge full retail price for the game AND a monthly sub, be smart price the initial purchase for like 20 bux or 30 bux or something
FOl2TY8 Gallente Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:36:00 - [39] Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 18/08/2009 19:36:34 nvm ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Seeing as noone has any idea how this will be implemented stop doomsaying. I for one think it's pretty damn awesome and has the potential to be something completely different to anything seen in gaming so far. Very nice and very ambitious CCP. it would be nice if it wasn't console only hope you can play it on the PC too
Goberth Ludwig Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:37:00 - [41] delve war 3 is gonna be like starship troppers I wanna be johnny rico :E - Gob
Goberth Ludwig Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:38:00 - [42] omfg cippa wer the hell did ur sig go? :( - Gob
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:40:00 - [43] Uhm, it's still there. Maybe your ISP is having problems, Gob. -clp
Admiral Frools Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig delve war 3 is gonna be like starship troppers I wanna be johnny rico :E - Gob Johnny Rico wasn't a *gy *, hth
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:53:00 - [45] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 18/08/2009 19:53:58 I don't know of any awesome console FPS that can stand toe to toe with a PC based FPS. Everyone here knows that EVE Online has issues, bugs and discovery of exploits that were not thought of during game design. Thankfully there are patches to remedy most problems. So now we are going take all that and get it right on a PS3? This idea would take off on a PC. The Market is already established on a PC. Why limit yourself and increase the chances of fail.
Pringlescan Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:53:00 - [46] Posting to say that dust 514 has got to be some quote from the amarr scriptures, you heard it here first.
ElrondMD Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:09:00 - [47] I plan on mining rocks with a tennis racket on Wii.
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this...
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: Dramaticus This could completely wipe out the goons existence on EVE. Think about it. The goons generally suck at twitch based combat games and EVE is the only MMO where they were able to get a foothold into actually doing something, and even this came at the discretion of someone completely out of their alliance. So if I bring all my buddies on XBL to play this game and we completely destroy all the worthless goons every time they step foot onto our battlefield they will never get high sovereignty in Delve. This could be awesome. I hope the gameplay is on par with other shooters that are prepped to launch in the coming months so this actually matters. no one ever reads the bottom of the page he wanted his stupid troll to be read so bad that he posted the exact same thing twice :my forum rep:
Suboran Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:29:00 - [50] Originally by: ElrondMD I plan on mining rocks with a tennis racket on Wii. or mindlessly swining that pickaxe for 4 hours
Aalana Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:59:00 - [51] Four things: 1. The reason that CCP is doing this is because they are greedy money grubbing ****. Another game which you HAVE to play to be successful at EVE is just another hand going in my wallet to grab my $$$$. 2. This will NOT make a pinch of difference for controlling R64 moons. Big rich alliances will have a significant advantage in maintaining/paying for sov control. 3. I would only approve of this idea if it was for the control of STATIONS ONLY. That would be cool. (Eg. Conquest map of mothership in UT 2004). 4. If this game is not playable on a PC then CCP can go die in a gigantic fire.
Jimmy Duce Gallente Shards of Apathy	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Zastrow J Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!! Hello. Goonfleet comes from the forum community somethingawful.com, a community with a very large membership. As with any MMO, there will assuredly be a Goonsquad formed from this community. Do you see where this is going You intend to bite the Dust?
SnowUponPetal Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:25:00 - [53] I for one welcome our new 14-year-old FPS overlords. This is a big change, but it doesn't take my ships or my alliance mates away, and those are the important things. So now I'll need to send ISK to real-world players on the planets instead of dumping it into tower spam to hold sov? Sounds like an improvement to me.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:36:00 - [54] Originally by: ElrondMD I plan on mining rocks with a tennis racket on Wii. Awesome. ---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:43:00 - [55] Hey folks, why not being a bit more constructive and feed CCP with some ideas how you want (or want not) this DUST 514 interact with Eve? Lots of people say that they don't want Dust being able to completely determine the sov? But what else would they like to see? That Dust is completely independent from Eve? That it only partly counts towards sov and if so, how? That you need to support 'your' dust team with supplies and strategical commands?
Gunship Amarr Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:49:00 - [56] if it stops the pos warfare stuff or at least limit it, its a winner. I hope the make a PC version as well, I'm useless with a joypad..
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:00:00 - [57] If what happens in Dust directly effects or impacts Sov issues in 0.0 in any situation other than one where the Sov owning entity agrees to it, it would be by FAR the most ****ed thing CCP could of done to this game. KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA"** KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact SentryRaven
Gaius Duilius Amarr The Pheonix Group Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:10:00 - [58] 1: I understand that releasing Dust on consuls will allow CCP to expand their player base but I think they also need to release it on for the PC or there will be a lot of Eve players who won't be interested in playing it. 2: For those of us already paying $15 a month to play Eve the idea of paying another monthly fee to play Dust is unappealing. I hope there will be some sort of joint account option where you can get a dust account with your Eve api for a reduced monthly fee (or better yet no additional fee ) 3: While what happens in Dust needs to be important enough that players are interested in it, events in Eve need to remain the focus. In other words changes in system sovereignty needs to ultimately be determined by the outcomes of fleet battle in Eve. An alliance should have to gain military superiority in space before they can launch a planetary assault to grab system sovereignty. The bottom line is that the emphasis has to stay on Eve and Dust should just be an interesting and moderately important side thing. Control over how the game world progresses needs to continue to rest first and foremost with the capsuliers in Eve not the infantry in Dust.
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:23:00 - [59] Edited by: General Windypops on 18/08/2009 22:25:09 Originally by: Hilmar You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO Then Eddz says... Originally by: KIAEddZ If what happens in Dust directly effects or impacts Sov issues in 0.0 in any situation other than one where the Sov owning entity agrees to it, it would be by FAR the most ******ed thing CCP could of done to this game. This is madness - Eddz is suddenly getting angry about things involving imaginary contracts...
Ohne Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:29:00 - [60] I dont see why people are going all hurf blurf on this. I cant be worse than current state of sov mechanics tbh....
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 18/08/2009 19:53:58 I don't know of any awesome console FPS that can stand toe to toe with a PC based FPS. Everyone here knows that EVE Online has issues, bugs and discovery of exploits that were not thought of during game design. Thankfully there are patches to remedy most problems. So now we are going take all that and get it right on a PS3? This idea would take off on a PC. The Market is already established on a PC. Why limit yourself and increase the chances of fail. Killzone 2, rivals anything out on the PC right now in terms of shooters. Even did away with the ****ty deadzone aim-aid that so many console FPS's have, so if you suck, you just suck, and there is no aim helper to help out. That really isn't the point though. Having a console FPS have anything to do with sov inside of EVE is such a terrible idea, I'm not even sure where to begin, I don't even know if I need to.
Tawron Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig delve war 3 is gonna be like starship troppers I wanna be johnny rico :E - Gob **** you im johnny rico.
SquadBroken Amarr Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:45:00 - [63] Leave it to ccp to come up with something even more ******ed than sov.
Koronos Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:53:00 - [64] Originally by: Trent Nichols Dust looks and sounds fantastic, right up to the point he says an FPS will determine SOV in EVE. I know the kind of people who play console FPS games and I have no desire to interact with them in any way, much less in Eve. This great looking game sounds like it will be the worst thing CCP has done to Eve since I started playing 3 years ago. To CCP: Planetary control and planet based sov is what many players want but not like this! Eve players and only Eve players should determine what territory they control. I've posted this in both the other threads (important one here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1111332) but I think that working _with_ an idea like yours could make this Dust thing really fly, I guess primarily by limiting its impact on overall eve sovereignty but still making it a worthwhile enough element to seed connections between the two.
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Ohne I dont see why people are going all hurf blurf on this. **** having to buy consoles
Young Destro Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:18:00 - [66] Time to recruit all the neighborhood teens...supply them 11ty billion ISK...contract them to invade and take a planet in a SOV4 system. whut could possibly go wrong??
Kasheem Cetanes Gallente coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:19:00 - [67] As someone that has been waiting for another MMOFPS to come out (That was a real MMOFPS like planetside) This could potentially be the best thing ever. I'm not sure how this is gunna' work, but the problem that killed planetside was the gigantic lag. If CCP can make a decently balanced MMOFPS that is reasonably priced and lag free, they will be complete superstars and I would leave EvE for it XD.
Phelaen Amarr Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:32:00 - [68] wait so the alliances with the most resources will be able to hire the most mercs and therefor hold the most space? OMG everthing is going to change.......
Von Kleist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:37:00 - [69] What happens 3 to 6 months after release when all the xbox kids get bored and stop playing it? No more sov?
Grainsalt Caldari Free Corp Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:39:00 - [70] Edited by: Grainsalt on 18/08/2009 23:44:14 According to about 3 or 4 other sites I have seen, this only relates currently (or will) to Factional Warfare for now. Looking at the names in the video (Intaka 4) etc. would also seem to indicate that. Maybe I am wrong but would look that way. ---
Ohne Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:43:00 - [71] Originally by: marxist revolutionary Originally by: Ohne I dont see why people are going all hurf blurf on this. **** having to buy consoles You dont _have_ to do anything :)
Valorous Bob Gallente Locusts.	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:55:00 - [72] I know a ton of people are assuming the worst, but seriously this could turn out incredibly awsome. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Governor LePetomane You know who I can't stand? Explorers. Smug, invisible bastards.
Goberth Ludwig Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:04:00 - [73] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 19/08/2009 00:06:33 Originally by: Suboran Originally by: ElrondMD I plan on mining rocks with a tennis racket on Wii. or mindlessly swining that pickaxe for 4 hours CCP trying to get eve players to work out edit: oh and to run the siege mod I say you have to pedal on a little bicycle - Gob
Shardrael Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:20:00 - [74] this is a p. dumb idea and I really hope this is not what they came up with when they said they wanted to fix sov. Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Shardrael this is a p. dumb idea and I really hope this is not what they came up with when they said they wanted to fix sov. ---
Capot Minmatar Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:38:00 - [76] Problem with this is, console games get played for a couple of months.. or a year max. Once the next halo or Xbox 720 or whatever comes out people will just move on to that. Eve lived as long as it did because it evolved over 6 years on a very flexible plattform.
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Ohne Originally by: marxist revolutionary Originally by: Ohne I dont see why people are going all hurf blurf on this. **** having to buy consoles You dont _have_ to do anything :) i would _like_ to be able to play this on the PC since i've been waiting for a half decent game that combined FPS and internet spaceships for like forever :(
Fat Ducker Amarr Lucky Hydra Corp	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Von Kleist What happens 3 to 6 months after release when all the xbox kids get bored and stop playing it? No more sov? Nevermind them, what about the ones that are sat in a concord office, their tear streaked cheeks aglow, as they show the officer with an anatomically correct doll where Istvaan touched them.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:53:00 - [79] Originally by: Capot Problem with this is, console games get played for a couple of months.. or a year max. Once the next halo or Xbox 720 or whatever comes out people will just move on to that. Eve lived as long as it did because it evolved over 6 years on a very flexible plattform. You'd think CCP invested millions into something that can be used only a couple of years?
Cyzlak Gallente Karkand Kampa SCUM.	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:01:00 - [80] If I cannot play this on PC then CCP can go die in a horrible fiery doomsday of their own creation.
Marexlovox Gallente N.T.C Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:04:00 - [81] I don't have a good feeling about this. Like the dude said above, when new console's come out and other new games for console's, what if Dust 514 becomes dull in time like most console games do. I mean all that will be left is an EvE veteran with keyboard in one hand and controller in another if they decide to play it. It may be fun, but if sov is relying on Dust 514 IF Dust 514 dies down CCP will just have to change game mechanics back or think of something else for Sov right? Is Dust 514 really worth it in the long run? I guess time will tell if they do release it. I thought the new Sov Mechanic was going to be what everyone has been talking about where Sov is claimed by activity in a system which makes sense (everyone is tired of POS BASH WARS). I don't know, gotta go study, got class tomorrow...see ya.
Capot Minmatar Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:08:00 - [82] Originally by: Marexlovox I don't have a good feeling about this. Like the dude said above, when new console's come out and other new games for console's, what if Dust 514 becomes dull in time like most console games do. I mean all that will be left is an EvE veteran with keyboard in one hand and controller in another if they decide to play it. It may be fun, but if sov is relying on Dust 514 IF Dust 514 dies down CCP will just have to change game mechanics back or think of something else for Sov right? Is Dust 514 really worth it in the long run? I guess time will tell if they do release it. I thought the new Sov Mechanic was going to be what everyone has been talking about where Sov is claimed by activity in a system which makes sense (everyone is tired of POS BASH WARS). I don't know, gotta go study, got class tomorrow...see ya. this is what i call a post. good work son
Cyzlak Gallente Karkand Kampa SCUM.	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:12:00 - [83] FPS's last much longer on PC due to the ability of a relatively small developer to continue producing updates to the engine and add features, years after release. Which entirely relates to my previous post btw.
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:32:00 - [84] CCP spends entire budget on DUST Which then fails becuase its an MMO for the console then eve dies ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Cyzlak Gallente Karkand Kampa SCUM.	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:39:00 - [85] Precisely.
Gautan Virdamot Gallente Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:47:00 - [86] Originally by: JonnyKay I highly doubt that people will be able to fight for every habitable planet in eve =o that's alot of levels for CCP to design lol. I thought it was based around the Empire factions and not 0.0 alliance stuff? (mind you i havent read into it much) Have you not seen the graphics we have now? Generic backdrop, replicate, live long and prosper. Did anyone fraps it?
Aaron Mirrorsaver Gallente R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:13:00 - [87] so theyve spent 3 years developing that so far? sounds flawed on so many levels. for one thing is there going to be a new currency? because if your using isk to contract mercs, obviously they'll take the highest bidder. And therefore alliances who already have the most will get the mercs. suppose no one plays period? banking too much on this. sounds more like an april fools joke... ------
Captain N8Hellyea Caldari Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:06:00 - [88] Sure they wanna build a console game with endless goals, and always changing gameplay but, this is an idea only lazy ppl and 13 year olds would enjoy when it comes to messing with what we have spent alot of effort to build. It comes down to " i cant beat em, so ill hire someone they cant stop" this is plain un-eve like ccp, dont ruin your good game with this junk
WhiteSavage Gallente Altruism. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:42:00 - [89] Edited by: WhiteSavage on 19/08/2009 04:42:27 sounds terrible Edit: Worst idea ever?
Krovvy Gallente Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:52:00 - [90] I could easily see myself buying this game as long as it is on PC. I hate using console controllers for FPS and the choice of xbox kills it even more. I will not buy a console with so many hardware problems and failure rates. The new xboxes may have fixed some of the issues but time will tell on that.
Superslam Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Zastrow J Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!! Hello. Goonfleet comes from the forum community somethingawful.com, a community with a very large membership. As with any MMO, there will assuredly be a Goonsquad formed from this community. Do you see where this is going that depends largely on whether they allow custom sprays
Kurth Ren Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:26:00 - [92] Reposting this in every dust thread I see.
Cyzlak Gallente Karkand Kampa SCUM.	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:38:00 - [93] Why?
Mr Peanut420 Caldari Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:28:00 - [94] I knew there'd be something extreme to get BoB their space back, but enlisting console mouth breathers? For shame!
Fiberton Gallente StarFleet Enterprises Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:37:00 - [95] FPS on Pc`s are full of cheaters. Putting it on a console will stop alot of cheating that could happen with people seeing through walls etc. Although I hate consoles. I want a mouse to play an fps. That ps3 pad crap is not for me. I have a ps3 here but it does not get played much. It was a smart move to put it on the console. Now should it ever been created ? I am not sure. This does not SOUND good. Although we are ignorant of how it will create issues in our game. I have played for over 5 years and this is the first change that has alarmed me. Over the years the changes have been great too not so great, but we are all here. We shall see what happens. Take it easy. "I seek Understanding in a world of 1`s & 0`s. I seek oneness in a world of chaos."
Mecinia Lua Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:57:00 - [96] Wow well we all know Sov mechanics are horribly broken but I gotta say this is never the solution I ever contemplated. Have to wonder can we affect the combat, I mean will we be allowed to do planetary bombardment with our Dreadnoughts? Do the troops have to travel on a troop transport through space? If they have to physically travel from world to world aboard a ship say a transport, industrial, freighter etc then I can see the possibility it may well be hard to take a system. Specialized Cargobays is something that's coming about first iteration Thursday in Apoc 1.5. Will there be special cargo bays to hold ground troops, ground equipment etc. I see it becoming much harder to travel around in these ships if they do. That neutral transport coming through the gate might no longer be ignored even by NRDS alliances. What sort of contracts will we have. I remember the old Mechwarrior games, where you negotiated pay up front, salvage rights, pay upon completion and bonus pay. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
sinsation Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:22:00 - [97] Well, I see this killing 0.0
BiaXia Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:24:00 - [98] So uh, what happens to the alliances based in countries that don't have access to Xbox live?
Mecinia Lua Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:09:00 - [99] Originally by: BiaXia So uh, what happens to the alliances based in countries that don't have access to Xbox live? Good Question. I wouldn't buy one even though I could... Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:12:00 - [100] Originally by: BiaXia So uh, what happens to the alliances based in countries that don't have access to Xbox live? Just for note, Iceland is essentially one of these countries, with no acceptance of Icelandic Credit Cards, have to do it via vouchers which are very expensive there. KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA" KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact SentryRaven
Vasili Z Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:15:00 - [101] I will own you all, and teabag. YouWhat mercs here I come. ------- P0GS is recruiting; no fatties
Piral Gallente Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:21:00 - [102] So wait... you mean to tell me.... that i have been playing and paying for eve online x5 times each month for many many years... just to have you implement some F*ed up attempt by you (CCP) to gain a larger audience.. that makes you more $$.. with a 'seperate 'MMO' that is console based 'only'.. that effects my game 'eve online' and my alliance' Sov.. in 'my' game??? W T F are you really smoking up there in Iceland, maybe the air is thin up there or something, or maybe your just a bunch of pot heads. Although we havent heard much about 'what' kind of 'new' implementations will occur, i really cannot see how 'other than for the RP newbs' this has any positive effect on us 'eve players' we better have like 99% control over our Sov, and it also better not be exploitable, no doubt it Fing will be though. How can you beleive that another MMO that is seperate to the core MMO will even give a * about the eve community or understand the game. They wont and you know why? Because anybody who plays FPS games are just interested in shooting , not politics. If this ends in a ragin blazing disaster, well this is one way to get me to really quit, which i maybe kind of thankful for in ways, as your game 'currently' has me completely hucked. I love EvE Online.. Please dont ruin it with this BullSh He Who Dares, Wins
Vasili Z Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:50:00 - [103] Originally by: Piral So wait... you mean to tell me.... that i have been playing and paying for eve online x5 times each month for many many years... just to have you implement some F*ed up attempt by you (CCP) to gain a larger audience.. that makes you more $$.. with a 'seperate 'MMO' that is console based 'only'.. that effects my game 'eve online' and my alliance' Sov.. in 'my' game??? W T F are you really smoking up there in Iceland, maybe the air is thin up there or something, or maybe your just a bunch of pot heads. Although we havent heard much about 'what' kind of 'new' implementations will occur, i really cannot see how 'other than for the RP newbs' this has any positive effect on us 'eve players' we better have like 99% control over our Sov, and it also better not be exploitable, no doubt it Fing will be though. How can you beleive that another MMO that is seperate to the core MMO will even give a * about the eve community or understand the game. They wont and you know why? Because anybody who plays FPS games are just interested in shooting , not politics. If this ends in a ragin blazing disaster, well this is one way to get me to really quit, which i maybe kind of thankful for in ways, as your game 'currently' has me completely hucked. I love EvE Online.. Please dont ruin it with this BullSh sa'll good bro you can hire me 10b a day ------- Going to kill you in Dust514
Reprimander Caldari Failswarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:10:00 - [104] there must be more to this crazy idea than they are letting on otherwise eve online will be reduced to 1) farm moon gold 2) sell moon gold 3) pay fat teenagers to play xbox for you 4) take sov i mean... they can't actually be serious, can they?
Cmndr Griff Amarr Capitalistic Tendencies Red Dwarf Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:16:00 - [105] Why all the lame PC user elitism? You're sat at home playing an internet spaceship game, I see little difference between you and console gamers. Also the demographic for PS3 and the 360 is 17-27. Of course you get annoying kids but you get that in every game, it's not exclusive to games like Halo. As for FPS being poor on consoles, it's your fault you have sausage fingers and the dexterity of a dead cat not the controllers. Finally Microsoft will release hardware updates instead of a new console, ensuring it will be sticking around. Sony said they wont be releasing another console after PS3, again cementing the safety of DUST 514 on consoles. I have high hopes for DUST, if only for the fact that I can shoot all these internet lamos who believe that having a PC makes them better than anyone else. I can also hopefully shoot those who have already slandered the idea before any details have been released. Talk about jumping the gun.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:25:00 - [106] I dunno, it says "feeds into Eve's sovereignty system" rather then "determine Eve's sovereignty system". If under the new system, you could get dust players to lower sov level by one and say disabling a cynojammed system for a short time, that'd be pretty cool. Having Dust alone determine sov levels would be pretty ballsack though I agree :(
Eliax Gallente Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Emergence.	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:47:00 - [107] Eve online is unique in the mmo world, imo thats why it is a succes. Rather would have seen CCP putting their team/money to work on Eve online instead of wasting their time on just another fps game that you are going to throw away after you get bored of it. Personally i'm not going to buy it, because it's a console fps game, hate the controls.
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:05:00 - [108] Edited by: Fred0 on 19/08/2009 11:05:51 Oh god, is this ambulation mk2 or what? Imho they should create a fps based on the EVE Universe and then see where it evolves and how it could fit into the actual space mmorpg --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Captain N8Hellyea Caldari Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:05:00 - [109] 1.CCP needs more money 2.CCP wants to be the pioneers of something again 3.If we wanted a FPS, we'd go play a FPS 4.I hope we can destroy and make the console players life hell from the pc side 5. I hope it takes 10 more years for this to happen 6. our subsciption better allow us to get the game and play at no extra cost so we can buy it and make Jr. throw the game away after repeated whippings
GunnerySergeant Blair Caldari Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:07:00 - [110] Edited by: GunnerySergeant Blair on 19/08/2009 11:08:32 When a Titan DDDs in a low planetorbit, does it instantly kill all Dust players currently on the planet then? Are Phoenixes able to launch orbital strikes? Questions over questions
Chandilas Caldari Legionari Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:10:00 - [111] Edited by: Chandilas on 19/08/2009 11:10:53 they should make this dust xxx work only for factional war systems maybe in a bf2 way with some vehicles, artillery from starships and so on... personally i think that the most ccp ties a mmorpg with a fps/tactical, the most they risk in terms of great success or tremendous fail.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:17:00 - [112] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 19/08/2009 10:45:13 I dunno, it says "feeds into Eve's sovereignty system" rather then "determine Eve's sovereignty system". If under the new system, you could get dust players to lower sov level by one and say disabling a cynojammed system for a short time, that'd be pretty cool. Having Dust alone determine sov levels would be pretty ballsack though I agree :( bingo I predict there will be an interesting link between the two games and isolated and limited effects will spread from one to the other.... but for the most part they will remain exactly that, two separate games. For anyone crying and moaning that it might go strictly to console, news flash: the world will along with out you. I do not own a ps3 or an xbox 360, but i plan on getting one eventually. MOST gamers out there (if you add them all up) are console gamers, the market is skewed in their direction. It's not a bad move on their part, just means a bit of butt hurt from their current customers. They aren't obligated to bring every future invention of their company to the PC platform and i think it may go a long way to drawing some of that console market into Eve proper (ultimately making eve healthier). I agree fps are better on PC, i agree they should open this to both but get over yourselves, CCP will make whatever decision is smarter for the business (and there are many many aspects to examine). Trust they will make the game better and if you can't be arsed to join the rest of the planet in owning a console (or if you are unfortunate enough to live someplace that keeps you from playing) too bad, the real world is tough bananas. I trust it will be implemented with some degree of competency. I've had 5 excellent years of Eve and i'm confident i'll see 5 more. Wait, i mean they have never done anything right in all of history and eve is already dying and this will be the final nail! ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r
Gryana Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:18:00 - [113] Quite frankly if this is anything to do with alliances i'd be surprised. It's more likely to be faction wars, NPC based changes. At least thats how i'm reading it. I think that people in here (because of the nature of this forum) assume that every change in Eve is a change in 0.0. But sov is based in faction wars too.
Pixel SonursCreen Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:30:00 - [114] When a Titan DDDs in a low planetorbit, does it instantly kill all Dust players currently on the planet then? Ok, maybe it would be nice to hire DUST 514 players to lower a sov level in some key system... Though in general it seems a isk-sink? will players in eve online be farming isk to be able to hire FPS players on a different game I.O.W. would DUST 514 players be able to hire EVE online players for the same isk to provide them services like transports? if its one way traffic isk wise i would not be surprised many eve online players will consider to do the job DUST 514 players COULD do themselves in a alternative way like a classic pos siege or something.
Josh Silver Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:39:00 - [115] Edited by: Josh Silver on 19/08/2009 11:42:33 Edited by: Josh Silver on 19/08/2009 11:41:40 Originally by: MoonsOverMyHammy Sry CCP this is going to crash and burn Not unlike a zeppelin made out of lead, I might add.
Iron Jaw Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:40:00 - [116] Edited by: Iron Jaw on 19/08/2009 11:41:03 wait what? Somone will be taking Sov for me? isnt taking sov my job? .... they tirrrkk errrr JERRRBBSS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:40:00 - [117] Originally by: Pixel SonursCreen will players in eve online be farming isk to be able to hire FPS players on a different game I.O.W. would DUST 514 players be able to hire EVE online players for the same isk to provide them services like transports? Or haul over vehicles that'll spawn near their starting position? See how many implants and boosters it takes to make a nanogrunt, etc.
Kamel Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:21:00 - [118] I realy hope this nether finish to make it, imo will ruin the game, sad CCP dont invest the 100% of their resources to improve the game like it is Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Rhamnousia Caldari Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:22:00 - [119] a few things please... for the devs - what the flip does 514 stand for? - console sucks the big ones, when it comes to FPS. - i hope to god you know what you're doing. ---------------------- What happens in Pelennor stays in Pelennor. Forever Pelennor
Lucias Trask Gallente The White Aces	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes As someone that has been waiting for another MMOFPS to come out (That was a real MMOFPS like planetside) This could potentially be the best thing ever. I'm not sure how this is gunna' work, but the problem that killed planetside was the gigantic lag. If CCP can make a decently balanced MMOFPS that is reasonably priced and lag free, they will be complete superstars and I would leave EvE for it XD. Three things i see wrong with this. CCP - balanced - lag free You see none of these things should ever be used in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentance. [PANIC]
BogWopit Amarr Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:04:00 - [121] Edited by: Bog*it on 19/08/2009 15:05:22 Edited by: Bog*it on 19/08/2009 15:04:35 LOL consoles. These people can't handle more that 8 buttons, how do you expect them to understand EVE's mechanics in any way shape or form? Why don't you just make the DUST battles like international track and field: xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo = win Edit: wtf doesn't this server like about my name, how about a ***per and coke?
Courthouse Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:13:00 - [122] Originally by: Bog*it Edit: wtf doesn't this server like about my name, how about a *per and coke? * derogatory for "Italian," 1912, Amer.Eng. slang, apparently from southern It. dialect guappo "dandy, dude, stud," a greeting among male Neapolitans, said to be from Sp. guapo "bold, dandy," which is from L. vappa "sour wine," also "worthless fellow;" related to vapidus (see vapid).
Amayanna Amarr Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:29:00 - [123] This can work, the only problem is getting the synergy between Eve and Dust just right... I mean if you had to haul a few thousand troops deep into enemy space that will also have NPC and player defence in a planet/station it would be a much more realistic approach to (shoot poses then shoot station then claim sov) etc. I dunno, depends how they go about it, but to be quite honest they should leave the Eve sov. for Eve players. ---
Yarik Mendel Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:31:00 - [124] They should of taken a poll on how many people have a xbox or ps3 console. I don't and certainly won't get one. I expect empire to get busy...
Jimmy Duce Gallente Shards of Apathy	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:43:00 - [125] Originally by: Shardrael this is a p. dumb idea and I really hope this is not what they came up with when they said they wanted to fix sov. I knew there was a reason I liked ur name. Shard! And it's CCP sure this is their fix. If it's an after Sov thing it may work, so space POS spam is done but u only mine half speed due to sabotage or some crap. Then u need mercs to clean up the scum.
Blitz'Krieg Caldari Sphere of enlightening GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:51:00 - [126] this isn't going to effect 0.0 at all, its just an addition to Faction Warfare currently. Using CCP's tried and tested methodology it will start there hopefully rejuvenating FW's failing presence in the game and may have a possible entry into 0.0 after that. This will come in line with the planned sov changes in the winter expansion. The only real crucial thing about this is that nothing in Eve will change that is big in the next 18 months due to CCP not wanting to risk their cash cow while a new game is launched. One Dust fails as it inevitably will in the very competitive market it is in, that will ofc signal the downfall of Eve itself leading (I hope) to a second generation Eve and Dust that will envelop both aspects into the same game.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:54:00 - [127] Originally by: KIAEddZ If what happens in Dust directly effects or impacts Sov issues in 0.0 in any situation other than one where the Sov owning entity agrees to it, it would be by FAR the most *****ed thing CCP could of done to this game. Don't worry, by the time Dust kicks off, KIA will long be out of 0.0 . :) --- I smack just for myself. Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:04:00 - [128] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 19/08/2009 00:06:33 Originally by: Suboran Originally by: ElrondMD I plan on mining rocks with a tennis racket on Wii. or mindlessly swining that pickaxe for 4 hours CCP trying to get eve players to work out edit: oh and to run the siege mod I say you have to pedal on a little bicycle - Gob Great idea... ...would this be in lieu of stront or in addition to? ---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Sabbat Martyr Caldari PRIMORIS UNUM NOTUS	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:50:00 - [129] This all boils down to how well they handle the lag. And this would mean a serious increase of players online at any given time. I think BF had it up to 64 (32 players a side), I think another console FPS claimed it was working on over 100. (Don't keep up with console news anymore, my PC gets most of my attention) The only thing I'd have a problem with, is the fact that there are tons of people who don't know the EVE universe, and a bunch of 14 year old's aren't going to listen to anything you have to say, even if your bankrolling them, because they don't play EVE, and therefore really don't care if you keep your space, there just there to play the FPS. IMO, place a MANDATORY TUTORIAL in which nothing else can be done until they've played through it, and understand that their actions influence a world in which they've probably never heard of, nor care about.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:10:00 - [130] Originally by: Bog*it Edited by: Bog*it on 19/08/2009 15:05:22 Edited by: Bog*it on 19/08/2009 15:04:35 LOL consoles. These people can't handle more that 8 buttons, how do you expect them to understand EVE's mechanics in any way shape or form? Why don't you just make the DUST battles like international track and field: xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo = win Edit: wtf doesn't this server like about my name, how about a ***per and coke? F1->F8 8 Buttons is enough. アニメ漫画です
LadyScarlet Minmatar Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:20:00 - [131] we are now going to have 20 mil jr goons under the age of 7 controlling our game nice idea heh
Machine Delta Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:24:00 - [132] Originally by: LadyScarlet we are now going to have 20 mil jr goons under the age of 7 controlling our game nice idea heh going to have?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:45:00 - [133] we should all chillax dust will fail like every other EVE offshoot CCP have ever tried ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:50:00 - [134] Originally by: LadyScarlet we are now going to have 20 mil jr goons under the age of 7 controlling our game nice idea heh Don't worry your game will be fine. Burger Time is so 1985
FellRaven Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:51:00 - [135] OK so how are these DUST invasion forces going to move from Planet to Planet? It seems to me that the concept seems somewhat one sided. Now if you were to have vulnerable troop convoys escorted to hostile planets unders attack that might be appealing. CCP need to think long and hard about what they are doing here, breaking 0.0 would I think break EVE.
Space Cowboi Amarr Joint Ventures Limited Ventures	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:54:00 - [136] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 19/08/2009 10:45:13 I dunno, it says "feeds into Eve's sovereignty system" rather then "determine Eve's sovereignty system". If under the new system, you could get dust players to lower sov level by one and say disabling a cynojammed system for a short time, that'd be pretty cool. Having Dust alone determine sov levels would be pretty ballsack though I agree :( . http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056 K: Now we need to ask further. YOu said that Events within DUST 514 will influence the Eve universe and the other way. How synced are the two worlds in detail? CCP: Very synced, honestly. A fight on a planet taking part within DUST will have immidiate impact on the stratetic control a single Eve Player or group of players will have over this planet. And it is very simple to keep these things synced. It might have a large impact, but it is not much data that we have to transfer. K: But this won't enable one to watch fights in DUST from within Eve and the other way? CCP: No. In the PC game you will make offers to DUST marines. This group of mercenaries, will be in the center of DUST. The marines accept the mission, if the conditions are right and the result will be sent back and influences the gameplay of the PC game. But there won't be a Spectator camera or similar things. K: A mission given out by a PC player is a quest for a DUST player? CCP: We don't call it quest, but in principle: yes. K: And between the Employer in Eve and the soldiers only money is transfered? Or are there more ways, which would mean the Eve player could support his soldiers. CCP: Through higher values of money the player supports his soldiers more. And yes, money will be the minimum an Eve player can transfer to his soldiers. K: And in return the Eve player get's the corresponding Sector of one planet, if his soldiers win the battle. If he owns most sectors on a planet, he will own the planet. But what does he get from that? CCP: What can be done with the planets will be announced next year at the time our next expansion is due. This will introduce planetary control. If a player controls a certain amound of planets in one sun system, he will own the whole system. That expands our souverenity system and makes warfare within Eve more transparent and shifts it to a whole new level.
Space Cowboi Amarr Joint Ventures Limited Ventures	Posted - 2009.08.19 18:01:00 - [137] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg this isn't going to effect 0.0 at all, its just an addition to Faction Warfare currently. Using CCP's tried and tested methodology it will start there hopefully rejuvenating FW's failing presence in the game and may have a possible entry into 0.0 after that. This will come in line with the planned sov changes in the winter expansion. The only real crucial thing about this is that nothing in Eve will change that is big in the next 18 months due to CCP not wanting to risk their cash cow while a new game is launched. One Dust fails as it inevitably will in the very competitive market it is in, that will ofc signal the downfall of Eve itself leading (I hope) to a second generation Eve and Dust that will envelop both aspects into the same game. Wishfull thinking? Where did CCP say it was for FW? Maybe you need to read the interview. Launching a FPS mmo into a very competitive market? Like who?? The last big FPSMMo was Planetside and its far gone now. Huxley is on the verge of comming out but since personally playing the closed beta I can honestly say its not going to last either. So where is this competition for a FPSMMO?
Sabbat Martyr Caldari PRIMORIS UNUM NOTUS	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:04:00 - [138] Originally by: Space Cowboi Originally by: Blitz'Krieg this isn't going to effect 0.0 at all, its just an addition to Faction Warfare currently. Using CCP's tried and tested methodology it will start there hopefully rejuvenating FW's failing presence in the game and may have a possible entry into 0.0 after that. This will come in line with the planned sov changes in the winter expansion. The only real crucial thing about this is that nothing in Eve will change that is big in the next 18 months due to CCP not wanting to risk their cash cow while a new game is launched. One Dust fails as it inevitably will in the very competitive market it is in, that will ofc signal the downfall of Eve itself leading (I hope) to a second generation Eve and Dust that will envelop both aspects into the same game. Wishfull thinking? Where did CCP say it was for FW? Maybe you need to read the interview. Launching a FPS mmo into a very competitive market? Like who?? The last big FPSMMo was Planetside and its far gone now. Huxley is on the verge of comming out but since personally playing the closed beta I can honestly say its not going to last either. So where is this competition for a FPSMMO? There aren't many MMOFPS's, but if the game doesn't compare to other FPS's in general, people will drop it, regardless of the fact that it's an MMO. In essence, you need a COD clone, with MMO components.
Space Cowboi Amarr Joint Ventures Limited Ventures	Posted - 2009.08.20 00:25:00 - [139] Originally by: Sabbat Martyr There aren't many MMOFPS's, but if the game doesn't compare to other FPS's in general, people will drop it, regardless of the fact that it's an MMO. In essence, you need a COD clone, with MMO components. If the game is anything like the demonstration trailer provided by CCP it will do well. Planetside did amazing for a few years yet SOE was backing it and did not have the dedication like CCP to keep updating and polishing it.
acompton Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.08.20 01:08:00 - [140] Next they bring in the vampire game and Chribba will have to contract groups of girl scouts to suck the velddspar dry!
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.20 04:12:00 - [141] Originally by: Von Kleist What happens 3 to 6 months after release when all the xbox kids get bored and stop playing it? No more sov? Better question.....What happens 5 years down the line after the game and eve is still chugging............... The twitchers are STILL going to be playing on an outdated xbox? Better make ambulation and quit messing with consoles CCP. Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Xeronn Amarr ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:32:00 - [142] Now if this crap will input directly into 0.0 sov , i supose it will be on a timed vulnerability system in order to make any sense , much like the current POS timers Now if you think it`s hard to get a proper CTA going when those poses decide to come out at 4 in the morning... Just imagine trying to get all them 12yo up and runing to defend your crucial sov4 holding planet at god knows what weird hours
Alekzander Rayne Caldari Knights of Forsaken Angels THE F0RSAKEN	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:43:00 - [143] Don't know if this idea has been posted but as a suggestion. If ou hire a dust player (or they accept your contract) their work will only benefit you if you are able to transport them into the battlefield. In other words, you MUST have a station in system in order to deploy your troops. Or turn this a bit sideways, and make the mechanics work so that if you want to contract out work, you need to have a POS in the system in which you want (to eventually) gain sov. Have a timer of sorts, so that if your POS happens to get blown up, you can still affect sov (although limited, now that your POS is gone)for a set amount of time, possibly even a week. This would require that the holding alliance hire their own mercs, especially if they are tettering on the edge of losing sov. Sidenote: I understand that there is a timer for sov levels. Make that a consideration for alliance holders to entice DUST players to join their cause. IE for every 1 DUST player in a given system, it takes off 1 minute (or whatever) until SOV 4 is reached. Have it so that the number of DUST players makes a difference, good or bad. Not just, 'Hey we hired a better group of FPS player so you guys can kiss SOV 4 goodbye' mentality. And they are going to HAVE to implement some sort of PVE for the FPS. Otherwise the console gamers are going to have their own version of 'spinning in station' akin to Red vs. Blue. Introducing NPC's so that they have something to do will encourage them to stay longer on said planet so they don't have to be jumping around. It will give them a home or base, or even an alliance to say they are a part of and make a difference for. Mercs are one thing, but alliances tend to have dedicated players, not just paid brutes. The good: It makes EVE players responsible for SOV The bad: It makes EVE players responsible for SOV
Poseign Amarr Cryo Innovations Teutonic Guard	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:12:00 - [144] This idea worries me greatly. DUST in itself looks like it has the potential to be an AMAZING game. I would play it for sure, even though it's console-based, it brings a different outlook to the eve universe. However, to hll with putting Eve's sov system in the hands of people who dont actually play eve. Having to fight for one's space is a mechanic that keep many people playing. To put that in the hands of outsiders would doom eve, as 0.0 would no longer be fun. Now, if hiring these DUST players to take over planets in LOW SEC or EMPIRE systems meant gaining an additional revenue from the occuring victory and control of the planet, now THAT would make things interesting, and it wouldnt effect the space that EVE players fought for. A lot of people want to see sov mechanics changed, but this is definately not teh way to do it. x-103 Azrael Pilgrim Quote:* "And the Angel of Death apeared from the darkness knowing that tonight another victim would be claimed by his fury."
Havlentia Castigatrix Gallente The Avalon Foundation The Drift.	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:44:00 - [145] Originally by: Sabbat Martyr I think another console FPS claimed it was working on over 100. MAG on the PS3 slated for release early next year, I believe. Originally by: Sabbat Martyr aren't going to listen to anything you have to say, even if your bankrolling them, /signed. Hell, a corp of thirty-somethings is like herding cats most of the time. Originally by: Sabbat Martyr IMO, place a MANDATORY TUTORIAL in which nothing else can be done until they've played through it, and understand that their actions influence a world in which they've probably never heard of, nor care about. That'll go down well. I'm ready to wait and see, because it'll be great to finally see the flying inside atmosphere, walking in stations, fixed Sov and fixed POS code before they do this. I have _faith_. ----- This space left intentionally blank
Herring Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:45:00 - [146] Originally by: Zastrow J Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 18/08/2009 17:09:37 Originally by: Zastrow J sweet I needed something else to rage about in iceland in 2 weeks Tears from sov holders?... who could have predicted this... edit: didn't realize the link someone gave to me was in COAD and not in general discussion, my COAD ban!!!! Hello. Goonfleet comes from the forum community somethingawful.com, a community with a very large membership. As with any MMO, there will assuredly be a Goonsquad formed from this community. Do you see where this is going Yeah I saw the announcement over on the SA forums and there were non-EVE goons drooling all over this game. Don't expect goon sov to get any....smaller.
Emnity Preston Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:39:00 - [147] My comments posted on another thread:- Currently I think there is a lot of context missing in regards to this release. Initially, ccp are a games company. They have been developing a console game and in their view of the sucess of the eve online galaxy they decide to base it upon that genre. I dont think anyone can blame them on that. Then they decided that one element of the eve online universe was due for an overhaul (ie Sov mechanics), so decided to make the games inter-related (nb that doesnt mean inter-dependant). Everyone I have seen posting in all these threads are referring to the soon to be DUST players as second class citizens, setting up shop and ruining their game. Again, lets throw in a tea-spoon of perspective.. Up until this release, the eve online universe had absolutely nothing to do with planets, nothing, zilch, nada. Therefore nothing is being taken away from the eve universe at all. I dont believe this will be the lone lynchpin of determining Sov. People are also concerned that 'their game' is going to get taken over by 14 year old pimple faced idiots.. Not being funny but have you seen some of the local chat flying around eve? They are there already, in every MMO infact. No doubt they will make a show in dust also, but like every other mmo dust is going to have its own organisation systems. Therefore you can in essence set your own recruitment criteria and like every other mmo before it your elitest organisations will rise from the rabble and establish themselves as 'the ones to pay for'. Any single strategi FPS that has a clan systyem has these controls, just like an MMO, plus this is an RPSMMOFPS (phew). So people need to bless their cotton socks and take a tea-spoon of this perspective thing and relax. There are claims that it will influence sov.. thats influence, not determine.. and lets be fair the sov system at present is a massive time drain, why not spice it up a little. until we see the whole overhaul we cant really whine about 1 factor can we. The other side of the comments are that only the biggest space holding alliances are going to be able to hafford the bestest mercenaries to hold their space or invade. Let's once again focus on the eve universe as it stands now.. only the big power blocks can afford to maintain and replace massive cap fleets.. produce and field titans.. or even constant BS fleets.. so what change is DUST bringing to the power balance side of the game? none.. With regards to worries about it becoming redundant.. I think that the fact the DUST players will eventually be able to feel part of a bigger picture may enhance the game. Also the XBOX 360 and PS3 have both declared it will be a long time if ever, that they bring out another console, instead being able to purely upgrade the current systems.. I think DUST may be with us for a while. It also gives the interested eve player another level of immersion should they wish. This is another level of immersion in an already brilliant setting..There is no way CCP are going to commit corporate suicide by making the games tinter-dependant.. but to be honest, having a multiplatform, multigame inter-related system.. isn't that just massively epic? So what if you don't want to buy a console and take part.. isnt just knowing that that stuff is actually going on ingame elevating the game universe that little bit higher? I think there are fun times ahead, I may or may not play DUST.. but it will certainly enhance my gaming experience with its existence. Things that would be nice, are some benefits to playing both games with regards to subscription, maybe even the option to use plexes. Also for communication between games down the line.. Ambulation maybe.. --------------------------------------------------- I know Violence is not the answer.. I got it wrong on purpose.
Emnity Preston Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:42:00 - [148] My comments posted on another thread:- Currently I think there is a lot of context missing in regards to this release. Initially, ccp are a games company. They have been developing a console game and in their view of the sucess of the eve online galaxy they decide to base it upon that genre. I dont think anyone can blame them on that. Then they decided that one element of the eve online universe was due for an overhaul (ie Sov mechanics), so decided to make the games inter-related (nb that doesnt mean inter-dependant). Everyone I have seen posting in all these threads are referring to the soon to be DUST players as second class citizens, setting up shop and ruining their game. Again, lets throw in a tea-spoon of perspective.. Up until this release, the eve online universe had absolutely nothing to do with planets, nothing, zilch, nada. Therefore nothing is being taken away from the eve universe at all. I dont believe this will be the lone lynchpin of determining Sov. People are also concerned that 'their game' is going to get taken over by 14 year old pimple faced idiots.. Not being funny but have you seen some of the local chat flying around eve? They are there already, in every MMO infact. No doubt they will make a show in dust also, but like every other mmo dust is going to have its own organisation systems. Therefore you can in essence set your own recruitment criteria and like every other mmo before it your elitest organisations will rise from the rabble and establish themselves as 'the ones to pay for'. Any single strategi FPS that has a clan systyem has these controls, just like an MMO, plus this is an RPSMMOFPS (phew). So people need to bless their cotton socks and take a tea-spoon of this perspective thing and relax. There are claims that it will influence sov.. thats influence, not determine.. and lets be fair the sov system at present is a massive time drain, why not spice it up a little. until we see the whole overhaul we cant really whine about 1 factor can we. The other side of the comments are that only the biggest space holding alliances are going to be able to hafford the bestest mercenaries to hold their space or invade. Let's once again focus on the eve universe as it stands now.. only the big power blocks can afford to maintain and replace massive cap fleets.. produce and field titans.. or even constant BS fleets.. so what change is DUST bringing to the power balance side of the game? none.. With regards to worries about it becoming redundant.. I think that the fact the DUST players will eventually be able to feel part of a bigger picture may enhance the game. Also the XBOX 360 and PS3 have both declared it will be a long time if ever, that they bring out another console, instead being able to purely upgrade the current systems.. I think DUST may be with us for a while. It also gives the interested eve player another level of immersion should they wish. This is another level of immersion in an already brilliant setting..There is no way CCP are going to commit corporate suicide by making the games tinter-dependant.. but to be honest, having a multiplatform, multigame inter-related system.. isn't that just massively epic? So what if you don't want to buy a console and take part.. isnt just knowing that that stuff is actually going on ingame elevating the game universe that little bit higher? I think there are fun times ahead, I may or may not play DUST.. but it will certainly enhance my gaming experience with its existence. Things that would be nice, are some benefits to playing both games with regards to subscription, maybe even the option to use plexes. Also for communication between games down the line.. Ambulation maybe.. --------------------------------------------------- I know Violence is not the answer.. I got it wrong on purpose.
Lusulpher Gallente Blackwater Syndicate Raining Doom	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:12:00 - [149] SecWars...the table game from Ambulation. Easy to learn, difficult to master. Like EVE and chess. It's the SAME AS DUST514! We provide the battlefield, and hopefully bombardment and map access, they provide the ooh-rahhh! Fanfest will reveal how effective their ooh-rahh will be on Sov levels.(Pos bashing is proven less fun.) I want to play the best Dust merc at SecWars for money. Teach him who the boss really is, Internet Spaceship Overlords FTW. And start petitioning now so that subscribers of EVE get free access. All this non-productive whining...makes me wonder if you guys play this spreadsheet game. 7
Thunder1971 Caldari Virtual Warriors	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:41:00 - [150] Consoles???? WTF!!! Don't get me started on consoles... I'll safe everybody some dull reading and simply won't start. I hope a PC version will be made available as this whole console story isn't going down well with me. The best and only reason is that they keep most of the space pilots (and income they have from us) and create a new market...for again more money. If the first version came out on the PC then some pilots may go for either the ground version OR the space version...less money then when the new console community bites. Good marketing strategy...too bad it keeps a possible interresting part of the Eve universe away from the people that are already proven customers who don't wish to buy a console. My 2c. on the matter. Thunder "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship".
Gunship Amarr Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:59:00 - [151] I wonder if eve voice will be intergrated, so you can tell your marines to STFU and attack the damn post Also do they just respawn or can they be "podded" back a few plantes/solar systems Ohh the more I think of DUST 514 the better it's portential, and just for the record 0.0 has been bad for years so this won't break it (it simply can't). Now if you could doomsday a planet...
Machine Delta Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:04:00 - [152] Originally by: Gunship just for the record 0.0 has been bad for years It's gotten a lot better since you left.
Gunship Amarr Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.08.21 14:52:00 - [153] Originally by: Machine Delta Originally by: Gunship just for the record 0.0 has been bad for years It's gotten a lot better since you left.
Jessica Carnius Minmatar Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:56:00 - [154] So much hate, yet so little details? All I hope is that they wont run down times at the same time...
Princess Jodi Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:54:00 - [155] I forsee all the Twitchers out there getting a taste of a real game like Eve, then wanting to join our universe. At present, FPS battles have no meaning. Integrating them with Eve will make the battles relevant. That relevance may bring a level of dedication to FPS that we see in the Eve corps and alliances. As a veteran of over 500 pos sieges I'd gladly give that task to someone else.
Interconnector Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:32:00 - [156] The lifespan of most fps's really isn't that long typically. I think eve will be around well after the console kiddies get bored of playing the same fps. So unless you have a lot of eve players busting their asses and playing both games I don't know how long the idea will work. Sounds cool though
Myz Toyou Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:49:00 - [157] Originally by: Princess Jodi As a veteran of over 500 pos sieges You must have a sad RL, my condolences -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo
Kelmac Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:12:00 - [158] All I can say is Subterfuge; thatÆs right they have been talking about walking in stations how long now? This is just another tool to distract you from that, and at the same time will give them another five years, why we to talk about the new idea (DUST 514). LetÆs finish Walking in Stations and Store Fronts before we move on to trying to mix a consul game with a PC game. Hell maybe it will blow up on day one when they realize you can't mix the two. ThatÆs not because it would not be cool, because it would. The real problem is when they try to make it have a focus on EVE sovereignty; I just donÆt think this will work well as one will depend on the other??????? ThatÆs the real question. I do admit as a DeVry CIS with emphasis in Web Gaming student I would love to be working on it. I just want to point out the difficulty in the people playing too different tools, working together; not to mention the coding involved.
Demonos Silentium Caldari Nictus Astartes	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:26:00 - [159] well. the ambulation will take some time as the littlebirds are singing bout ambulation to be based on same system as WoD MMO that ccp is also making. personally i am waiting on dust514 to hit on shelves. great idea. and would give some differential on fw and sov fights
Dru McCarty Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:47:00 - [160] Originally by: Princess Jodi I forsee all the Twitchers out there getting a taste of a real game like Eve, then wanting to join our universe. At present, FPS battles have no meaning. Integrating them with Eve will make the battles relevant. That relevance may bring a level of dedication to FPS that we see in the Eve corps and alliances. As a veteran of over 500 pos sieges I'd gladly give that task to someone else. You are correct.
SquadBroken Amarr Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.21 21:26:00 - [161] Edited by: SquadBroken on 21/08/2009 21:28:13 Originally by: Dru McCarty Originally by: Princess Jodi I forsee all the Twitchers out there getting a taste of a real game like Eve, then wanting to join our universe. At present, FPS battles have no meaning. Integrating them with Eve will make the battles relevant. That relevance may bring a level of dedication to FPS that we see in the Eve corps and alliances. As a veteran of over 500 pos sieges I'd gladly give that task to someone else. You are correct. You think the so called "twitchers" have the desire to play some of the more boring aspects of one of the most boring games of all time (eve)? What are you guys smoking? This will fail (horribly) inside a year and leave all involved looking like fools. This idea is the only thing more ridiculously ****ed than the way SOV works now. Leave it to CCP to come up with a plan this mind bogglingly borked. Edit - No offense intended to anyone who have gave their opinions. I just think this plan is horrible. I don't hope that it fails, I am simply fairly certain it will.
Faife Minmatar Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.21 22:26:00 - [162] Edited by: Faife on 21/08/2009 22:26:39 Originally by: SquadBroken Edited by: SquadBroken on 21/08/2009 21:28:13 Originally by: Dru McCarty Originally by: Princess Jodi I forsee all the Twitchers out there getting a taste of a real game like Eve, then wanting to join our universe. At present, FPS battles have no meaning. Integrating them with Eve will make the battles relevant. That relevance may bring a level of dedication to FPS that we see in the Eve corps and alliances. As a veteran of over 500 pos sieges I'd gladly give that task to someone else. You are correct. You think the so called "twitchers" have the desire to play some of the more boring aspects of one of the most boring games of all time (eve)? What are you guys smoking? This will fail (horribly) inside a year and leave all involved looking like fools. This idea is the only thing more ridiculously ****ed than the way SOV works now. Leave it to CCP to come up with a plan this mind bogglingly borked. Edit - No offense intended to anyone who have gave their opinions. I just think this plan is horrible. I don't hope that it fails, I am simply fairly certain it will. welp, cancel the development guys. that one guy from that one alliance that caod posts and that's about it has said that this game won't do well. time to pack it in and go home. console FPSes with strategic elements will clearly never sell enough to make a profit. -- Check out my EVE cartoons
SquadBroken Amarr Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.21 23:51:00 - [163] Edited by: SquadBroken on 21/08/2009 23:52:21 Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 21/08/2009 22:26:39 Originally by: SquadBroken Edited by: SquadBroken on 21/08/2009 21:28:13Edit - No offense intended to anyone who have gave their opinions. I just think this plan is horrible. I don't hope that it fails, I am simply fairly certain it will. welp, cancel the development guys. that one guy from that one alliance that caod posts and that's about it has said that this game won't do well. time to pack it in and go home. console FPSes with strategic elements will clearly never sell enough to make a profit. Sweet post bro.
JABBIE Gallente Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.08.22 08:12:00 - [164] Hmm.... My little brother has a pretty elite tweaker guild. This could be very good for TNT.
Gnosis19 Caldari Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:02:00 - [165] Much as everybody likes to hate on the current sovereignty system, it's a part of what makes Eve into the game that it is. The getting up at 4am because your POS is coming out of reinforce, and faking sickies in order to make alliance CTAs is all a part of the game we love to hate. At the end of the day, the sov system is flawed, but at least Eve players are determining what happens in the Eve universe. Quotes like this scare me: Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region." It sounds like as Eve players, our ability to determine our own fates (control-wise) outside of spending massive sums of ISK with pro FPS clans is rapidly diminishing. Outside of fun, what will be the tactical advantage for throwing capital fleets at one another? What will be the tactical significance of alliances and renter agreements? (Two fundamentally central aspects to Eve) In their favour, mostly CCP does get it right, but this just seems like something that could go horrendously wrong, and if it does, the chance for recovery for both DUST (why release this on a console?) and even Eve is slim. -- Gnosis19, CEO, ICHIZOKU Not afraid of -10.0? Apply today.

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