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Wookie 1	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:24:00 - [1] This is probably in the wrong place but: I was just posting this here to tell others of racist abuse which was thrown at me in local by a member of Goonswarm called Sworn Absent I reported him for racism but thought I would just post this to see what the Goons have done to discapline him (probably bugger all but hey)
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Xelios Xarxes	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:39:00 - [3] This will be dealt with* *by CCP if you petition it
Grimrian Roevhuller i Rummet	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it Butthurt or not, racism is bad do do pretty much everywhere i guess. tl;dr NO GO
zombu2 Caldari The Army Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:08:00 - [5] boo Fu**ing hoo get over it that's how goons are
Sabriele Amarr Intelligent Concepts Inc SUB ROSA ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:44:00 - [6] THIS IS GAME
Pandemonium Heresy Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:00:00 - [7] Racist beliefs are the bottom of the barrel in human thought, but so what? Grow a spine and some thicker skin. Report him or shrug it off and move on with your life. It wouldn't kill you to learn to spell and punctuate properly either. _________________________________________________ FOR THE SLAUGHTER!
Azirapheal Amarr Armored Core Inc. The Council.	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Azirapheal on 22/08/2009 22:38:47 i dont see anything wrong with it to be honest, your opinions are always your own and you are entitled to have your own opinion that such opinions are wrong. i personally hate all caldari with a passion from the days of achuraaaa!!!! and im guessing alot of the goons that started as the goon noob blob are caldari. so by extension im racist towards both caldari and goons damn caloons very fast edit, caloons looks bad without the l, even worse without the a too :S Originally by: CCP Zymurgist SoonÖ
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:42:00 - [9] I'M TAKING IT BACK --- I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :(
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:53:00 - [10] Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Goonswarm strives to be an all-inclusive environment, and players like this are not tolerated within our ranks. However, given the number of maliciously false reports of this nature that we get, I must ask for a 200m deposit. Once the investigation is concluded, and the result is as you say it is, then we will return the deposit. Thanks you, and have a wonderful day!

ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it One cannot say whatever one chooses. There are laws, at least in the U.S., against rascist behavior, of which speech qualifies. The normal response by me would be to knock the taste out of the rascist's mouth; but, most rascists are cowards anyway. Therefore, a form of legally sanctioned action should be brought forth to address the matter (once confirmed). Allowing this to happen will increase, not DECREASE, its use.
Leer0y Brown	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:24:00 - [12] in the case of racism in EVE, only ccp's opinion matters. and their opinion is that its against the EULA.
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.23 01:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 23/08/2009 01:05:59 Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 00:28:01 Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 00:24:23 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it One cannot say whatever one chooses. There are laws, at least in the U.S., against rascist behavior, of which speech qualifies. The normal response by me would be to knock the taste out of the rascist's mouth; but, most rascists are cowards anyway. Therefore, a form of legally sanctioned action should be brought forth to address the matter (once confirmed). Real world rascist beliefs have no place ingame, at least if we players are to remain civil (regarding out-of-game speech used ingame/on the forums). Minmatar and Ammarr "hatred" is fictitious. These "peoples" do not exist, even if having been patterned on actual groups. Calling me a Minmatar Slave will not gain the same response from me as calling me the "N" word. And I'll ignore such nonesense when we stop being human. As long as I am allowed to (use a reverse punch to) knock the teeth out of the mouth of the clown saying it, you can tell me I should ignore it. Allowing this to happen will increase, not DECREASE, its use. You're wrong, thank you, come again. There is no law against a person being a racist. There is no law against someone using racist words, there ARE laws against race being used as a basis of employment/education/etc. If as one person to another I call you a slur, there is absolutely no legal recourse that you can take. Racist comments and beliefs are protected under the 1st Amendment. K.K.K, Black Panthers, etc are proof enough of this. And here's a newsflash my little liberal friend, most of the "racists" you see online are not racist. They simply like to use words that they know will ignite a response. They are trolls, nothing more. Oh, and using physical force against someone because of the words they say? Now that is petty and a clear indication of a lack of intelligence. Grow a vocab and fight words with words. Also wanted to add: Did you know there is currently a professional sports team that's name was an incredibly offensive slur only a couple centuries ago? Do you know why that word is no longer offensive? Because the people stopped being so butthurt by its use, and started being proud of it. tl;dr racism isn't illegal, stop being a pansy. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Mel Lifera Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.23 01:45:00 - [14] Edited by: Mel Lifera on 23/08/2009 01:47:21 Edited by: Mel Lifera on 23/08/2009 01:46:26 Edited by: Mel Lifera on 23/08/2009 01:45:17 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Oh, and using physical force against someone because of the words they say? Now that is petty and a clear indication of a lack of intelligence. Grow a vocab and fight words with words. "Fight with words"? The plea of a wuss. People who think by the inch and talk by the yard by all means deserve to be kicked by the foot. Freedom of speech only means the government can't do anything about what you say. Us normal people can do anything we want. Is it worth spending the night in jail and paying $250 just for allowing a racist tard the opportunity to gaze into your fist? I would say the worth is proportional to how many people are watching. On the other hand, you can't smack people over the internet. I'd say get over it - petition if you want, doesn't matter.
abrasive soap Bannable Offense. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.08.23 01:56:00 - [15] you spelled discipline wrong
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.23 02:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Mel Lifera "Fight with words"? The plea of a wuss. People who think by the inch and talk by the yard by all means deserve to be kicked by the foot. Freedom of speech only means the government can't do anything about what you say. Us normal people can do anything we want. Is it worth spending the night in jail and paying $250 just for allowing a racist tard the opportunity to gaze into your fist? I would say the worth is proportional to how many people are watching. Let me know how that lead tastes. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.23 02:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Rotnac Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Goonswarm strives to be an all-inclusive environment, and players like this are not tolerated within our ranks. However, given the number of maliciously false reports of this nature that we get, I must ask for a 200m deposit. Once the investigation is concluded, and the result is as you say it is, then we will return the deposit. Thanks you, and have a wonderful day! Sounds legit. I'd send this fine gentleman the requested security deposit immediately so this atrocity can be dealt with.
Voodoo Dog Mass Evacuation	Posted - 2009.08.23 02:40:00 - [18] Racism in any form is a bad thing ...anyone with even the slightest claim to an intellect knows this....and CCP will not tolerate it....so report it. However..... what i dislike far more than racism is spineless attention seekers who whine on the forums looking to garner sympathy...report it and move on sap
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.23 03:20:00 - [19] I has 17M isk, can I help? (I GET IT NOW!!!!)
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.23 03:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Lana Torrin I has 17M isk, can I help? (I GET IT NOW!!!!) this is game babe. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09

Joseph Foster Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.23 04:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Oh, and using physical force against someone because of the words they say? Now that is petty and a clear indication of a lack of intelligence. Grow a vocab and fight words with words. Words only travel so far. For some people, the only way to get a point across is to carry it over on the tip of your knuckles. Son, the First Amendment protects you from the government, not from me. Say whatever you want to out there, but if you come within reach of me, I'll exercise my right to give you a good ol' country @ss whoopin - Trace Adkins
Xelios Xarxes	Posted - 2009.08.23 04:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Joseph Foster Words only travel so far. For some people, the only way to get a point across is to carry it over on the tip of your knuckles. Son, the First Amendment protects you from the government, not from me. Say whatever you want to out there, but if you come within reach of me, I'll exercise my right to give you a good ol' country @ss whoopin - Trace Adkins Yeehaw, the south will rise again, wave that confederate flag, guns & god forever!!!
Nuzzy Futs Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.08.23 04:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Also wanted to add: Did you know there is currently a professional sports team that's name was an incredibly offensive slur only a couple centuries ago? Do you know why that word is no longer offensive? Because the people stopped being so butthurt by its use, and started being proud of it. tl;dr racism isn't illegal, stop being a pansy. To some of us Senator's is still a bad word, but I digress and should leave the criminals to their 'straight job'. Oddly most people that scream racism do not have a clue what the word means - Oddly that does not slow them from using it incorrectly. Awww Nuts.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Lana Torrin I has 17M isk, can I help? (I GET IT NOW!!!!) Confirming that Lana's got it. --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Xelios Xarxes Yeehaw, the south will rise again, wave that confederate flag, guns & god forever!!! You got a problem with the South, you asshat? You think the men are a pain, wait til you meet us girls. --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
Pandemonium Heresy Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Xelios Xarxes Originally by: Joseph Foster Words only travel so far. For some people, the only way to get a point across is to carry it over on the tip of your knuckles. Son, the First Amendment protects you from the government, not from me. Say whatever you want to out there, but if you come within reach of me, I'll exercise my right to give you a good ol' country @ss whoopin - Trace Adkins Yeehaw, the south will rise again, wave that confederate flag, guns & god forever!!! Only a racist would assume white people from the South are racist because they are white and from the South. Oh, the irony. _________________________________________________ FOR THE SLAUGHTER!
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Pandemonium Heresy Only a racist would assume white people from the South are racist because they are white and from the South. Oh, the irony. Its not racism, its prejudice. Get your isms right. And southern women are the best women.. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.23 06:18:00 - [28] Which race group did the slur reference?
Xelios Xarxes	Posted - 2009.08.23 06:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Pandemonium Heresy Only a racist would assume white people from the South are racist because they are white and from the South. Oh, the irony. Actually the only assumption I made is only someone from the south would listen to Trace Adkins.
Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:05:00 - [30] Ignorance breeds fear. The root of racism tends to be ignorance and fear. =================== Go Bucks!

lucifers widow 3rd Kador lancers	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:10:00 - [31] Edited by: lucifers widow on 23/08/2009 07:10:52 Originally by: Lana Torrin I has 17M isk, can I help? (I GET IT NOW!!!!) Oh and 2nd page sniper
Ran Khanon	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:23:00 - [32] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 23/08/2009 07:23:47 Originally by: Jones Bones Ignorance breeds fear. The root of racism tends to be ignorance and fear. Yup. The silly thing is that xenophobia always had a strong evolutionary purpose and it's part of our genetically anchored behavior. It governs the natural selection between groups. A.k.a. tribes / races / nations / sport clubs / ingame corporations :P Too bad a lot of people aren't aware of where xenophobic sentiments come from and that it doesn't really fit in our modern global society. Same with knocking down nice looking females on the street with wooden clubs and dragging them inside. You just shouldn't go there :) edit: typo
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: Jones Bones Ignorance breeds fear. The root of racism tends to be ignorance and fear. Too bad a lot of people aren't aware of were xenophobic sentiments come from and that it doesn't really fit in our modern global society. Same with knocking down nice looking females on the street with wooden clubs and dragging them inside. You just shouldn't go there :) That's what I've been doing wrong... Thanks for the info! Too many people are too quick to pull the racism card. Pathetic to be honest. MAN UP.
HIBillyMaysHere	Posted - 2009.08.23 08:41:00 - [34] HI BILLY MAYS HERE AND I DONT TOLERATE RASCISM. UNLESS ITS FOR 3 EASY PAYMENTS OF 19.95.
Roland Deschaines Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:02:00 - [35] Cookies are what you seek, OP. -- Monsieur Rolly
Durds	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:27:00 - [36] Goons are a bunch of naggers anyway.
tiviirulez	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Ran Khanon doesn't really fit in our modern global society Our? It is their "global society". And everyone not fitting in, applauding the enslavement and destruction of his kind is a racist, anti-semite, hatemonger whatnot. So be it.
Mel Lifera Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:35:00 - [38] Originally by: De'Veldrin You got a problem with the South, you asshat? You think the men are a pain, wait til you meet us girls. I don't know about that guy, but I certainly have no problem with the south. I was born in Fort Worth after all. The whole confederate flag thing is funny, though. It's hilarious that there are so many people that are so proud to be losers.
Joseph Foster Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.23 14:54:00 - [39] Originally by: De'Veldrin You got a problem with the South, you asshat? You think the men are a pain, wait til you meet us girls. This. Also, I love you...
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:24:00 - [40] If you petition him, im sure the GM's will punish him for it. However, seriously, who the hell cares. I mean, he's only making himself appear to be ignorant. Its just a word. You know that old saying 'sticks and stones...' well, seriously.... you arnt 5 years old, you should be capable of ignoring people who offend you. If we ban every offensive phrase, word or action, we will end up in 1984. Racisim is stupid, but so is trying to punish people who are racist. let them be ignorant, dont sink to their level and try to fight them over it.

Xelios Xarxes	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:34:00 - [41] Originally by: De'Veldrin You got a problem with the South, you asshat? You think the men are a pain, wait til you meet us girls. If you think the men in the south are a pain, wait til they find out you're really not a girl. I've seen movies about trannies in the south and I hope you keep the act limited to the interwebs.
MechaMouse	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:41:00 - [42] Edited by: MechaMouse on 23/08/2009 18:42:27 I for one am sick of all the racism directed at Goons, its not their fault its how celingcat made them.
Wookie 1	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:55:00 - [43] I first and foremost apologise for my spelling and grammer in my original post I forgot to check it at the time. I personally was not bothered by the Racism it just showed what an utter idiot he is, I was surprisingly enough actually just trying to let people know that this had happened as he could actually hurt someone by persistent use of the N word and a simile about faeces. For those of you who think its ok to be racist you clearly have less intelligence than a mollusc. I myself have moved on from this and reported him to CCP since ultimatly they do not tell anyone about the result of their investigations into racist behavior I thought this would be something of caution (since the word punishment does not really cover it correctly) anyway one last thing The American south's insistence on finding something to be proud of in a racially motivated war is rather baffling to outsiders (I.E me as I am English).
ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 23/08/2009 01:05:59 Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 00:28:01 Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 00:24:23 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it One cannot say whatever one chooses. There are laws, at least in the U.S., against rascist behavior, of which speech qualifies. The normal response by me would be to knock the taste out of the rascist's mouth; but, most rascists are cowards anyway. Therefore, a form of legally sanctioned action should be brought forth to address the matter (once confirmed). Real world rascist beliefs have no place ingame, at least if we players are to remain civil (regarding out-of-game speech used ingame/on the forums). Minmatar and Ammarr "hatred" is fictitious. These "peoples" do not exist, even if having been patterned on actual groups. Calling me a Minmatar Slave will not gain the same response from me as calling me the "N" word. And I'll ignore such nonesense when we stop being human. As long as I am allowed to (use a reverse punch to) knock the teeth out of the mouth of the clown saying it, you can tell me I should ignore it. Allowing this to happen will increase, not DECREASE, its use. You're wrong, thank you, come again. There is no law against a person being a racist. There is no law against someone using racist words, there ARE laws against race being used as a basis of employment/education/etc. If as one person to another I call you a slur, there is absolutely no legal recourse that you can take. Racist comments and beliefs are protected under the 1st Amendment. K.K.K, Black Panthers, etc are proof enough of this. And here's a newsflash my little liberal friend, most of the "racists" you see online are not racist. They simply like to use words that they know will ignite a response. They are trolls, nothing more. Oh, and using physical force against someone because of the words they say? Now that is petty and a clear indication of a lack of intelligence. Grow a vocab and fight words with words. Also wanted to add: Did you know there is currently a professional sports team that's name was an incredibly offensive slur only a couple centuries ago? Do you know why that word is no longer offensive? Because the people stopped being so butthurt by its use, and started being proud of it. tl;dr racism isn't illegal, stop being a pansy. Apparently, you don't read so well. I think I mentioned rascist behavior as restricted by (certain) U.S. Laws. I know I posted that because I was present when I did it (you should grow a brain first). I am not a Liberal, I am an African, Sparky. "Troll" or not, no one uses rascist rhetoric w/o it at least being, at some form, a part of such persons "character." Rascist rhetoric/slang/et, al, under any circumstances, is what it is: rascist language as a part of rascist behavior (in this case speech). I am in the northern corridor of the U.S. because my maturnal grandfather and kin ( blessings to these Ancestors) took care of some rascists the good ol' fashioned way. I carry that glorious lineage w/in me, but will allow the "Laws" to do that for which they were constructed. Should they fail, "incoming!"
ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:27:00 - [45] Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 19:30:53 Originally by: Terminal Insanity If you petition him, im sure the GM's will punish him for it. However, seriously, who the hell cares. I mean, he's only making himself appear to be ignorant. Its just a word. You know that old saying 'sticks and stones...' well, seriously.... you arnt 5 years old, you should be capable of ignoring people who offend you. If we ban every offensive phrase, word or action, we will end up in 1984. Racisim is stupid, but so is trying to punish people who are racist. let them be ignorant, dont sink to their level and try to fight them over it. Adolf ******'s sentiments exactly, just before he tossed some "non-'Aryans' (the fool wasn't even Aryan)" into the "Gasser." BTW, did you know that rascist language is prohibited under CCP's forum rules of conduct. Post a rascist word here, and let's see what happens (if words are simply to be ignored). I am sure the Devs. want it to be known by patrons/future patrons that they tolerate rascist speech.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:45:00 - [46] I detest and do not condone racism in any form. I also detest those that jump on the 'You're a racist' bandwagon, at the slightest opportunity. Political correctness, actually make things worse in many situations. But it always boils down to one thing, treat others as you wish to be treated yourself. Fake edit: Damn, that was all serious and stuff.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Mel Lifera Originally by: De'Veldrin You got a problem with the South, you asshat? You think the men are a pain, wait til you meet us girls. I don't know about that guy, but I certainly have no problem with the south. I was born in Fort Worth after all. The whole confederate flag thing is funny, though. It's hilarious that there are so many people that are so proud to be losers. This made me lol a little since the lack of response kinda showed that not to many from the deep south have participated in this conversation. You tell most southerners you're from texas, and they'll ask you how life is way out west. I grant it was part of the confederacy and all... but tbh, texas isn't usually thought of as part of the south... maybe that's why they coined the term "deep south" :) keeps it exclusive.
Xenophanes Colophon	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:14:00 - [48] People that think words can't hurt obviously know little about history. Originally by: Ran Khanon Edited by: Ran Khanon on 23/08/2009 07:23:47 Too bad a lot of people aren't aware of where xenophobic sentiments come from and that it doesn't really fit in our modern global society. Same with knocking down nice looking females on the street with wooden clubs and dragging them inside. You just shouldn't go there :) edit: typo We use nerf bats now. Seriously though, report it to ccp, if nothing is done have them escalate.
Bismaru's Ambition Amarr Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it Agreed, and since Goonswarm are full of fat kids, what else would expect.
Anti Viral	Posted - 2009.08.23 22:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Zed Jackelope There is no law against a person being a racist. There is no law against someone using racist words You should come to the UK sometime and try it, I'll bring you some prep H after your ass has been in jail a few months

Lania Resvik	Posted - 2009.08.23 22:45:00 - [51] Edited by: Lania Resvik on 23/08/2009 22:45:36 double post
Lania Resvik	Posted - 2009.08.23 22:45:00 - [52] Originally by: Wookie 1 I first and foremost apologise for my spelling and grammer in my original post I forgot to check it at the time. I personally was not bothered by the Racism it just showed what an utter idiot he is, I was surprisingly enough actually just trying to let people know that this had happened as he could actually hurt someone by persistent use of the N word and a simile about faeces. For those of you who think its ok to be racist you clearly have less intelligence than a mollusc. I myself have moved on from this and reported him to CCP since ultimatly they do not tell anyone about the result of their investigations into racist behavior I thought this would be something of caution (since the word punishment does not really cover it correctly) anyway one last thing The American south's insistence on finding something to be proud of in a racially motivated war is rather baffling to outsiders (I.E me as I am English). Check your history, that war you are refering to wasnt racially motivated. It was started over state's rights, import tariff's and sectionalism. However because slavery is a very emotional subject and the emancipation proclamation was signed after the war was over people mistakenly assume that the war was fought over the issue of slavery. While slavery was one of the motivating issues for the souths secession it was not the only or the main one.
Pandemonium Heresy Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange	Posted - 2009.08.23 23:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Originally by: Pandemonium Heresy Only a racist would assume white people from the South are racist because they are white and from the South. Oh, the irony. Its not racism, its prejudice. Get your isms right. And southern women are the best women.. No, if it involves a stereotype based on race, i.e., white people are racist, then it is racism. But racism is a sub-category of bigotry. This I think we can agree on. _________________________________________________ FOR THE SLAUGHTER!
techzer0 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.23 23:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Also wanted to add: Did you know there is currently a professional sports team that's name was an incredibly offensive slur only a couple centuries ago? Do you know why that word is no longer offensive? Because the people stopped being so butthurt by its use, and started being proud of it. GO D.C. REDSKINS! Not that I liked them when I lived in DC. Anyhow... I'd say i got 17m can i help? but I dont have it at them moment ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.24 00:55:00 - [55] On another MMO i played i had 2 black americans in my team.. Just like the rest of us they logged in and said hi,hello,yo and so on.. But when both was online the "wassup my N***" came after the first hello..No one had a problem with that..They were real life mates and talked that way to each other.. But they went totally crazy when one guy logged in and said yo wassup my **s to them..Cause he was a white boy.. He didnt mean anything with it, he was just trying to be "cool" like them.. I told them afterwards that as long as you guys keep calling each other ****s and we hear it often on tv and in music some people like him with a little shorter social antenna than most will think that using the N word towards you is ok..Also without thinking that it is a word with a ugly history behind it.. I think you were unlucky and met one of those guys..
Joe Goon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 03:52:00 - [56] Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun "Troll" or not, no one uses rascist rhetoric w/o it at least being, at some form, a part of such person's "character." Rascist rhetoric/slang/et, al, under any circumstances, is what it is: rascist language as a part of rascist behavior (in this case speech). This is just the kind of ignorant and simplistic assessment I'd expect from a Minmatar.
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.24 04:15:00 - [57] Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Adolf ****'s sentiments exactly, just before he tossed some "non-'Aryans' (the fool wasn't even Aryan)" into the "Gasser." Godwin's Law Originally by:** Wookie 1 anyway one last thing The American south's insistence on finding something to be proud of in a racially motivated war is rather baffling to outsiders (I.E me as I am English). The Civil War was not racially motivated, nor was it motivated by slavery. And I happen to be from Boston, not the South. Originally by: HIBillyMaysHere HI BILLY MAYS HERE AND I DONT TOLERATE RASCISM. UNLESS ITS FOR 3 EASY PAYMENTS OF 19.95. Oh My God! **ing hilarious, I'm still laughing... excellent sig as well! Originally by:** Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.24 05:53:00 - [58] note to self...never attempt social reform in video game forum.
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.24 05:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Zed Jackelope The Civil War was not racially motivated, nor was it motivated by slavery. And I happen to be from Boston, not the South. it was DRIVEN by slavery.
tiviirulez	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:05:00 - [60] Obama will punish Goonswarm. Oh wait, his prompter just went blank.

Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:06:00 - [61] hey guys i heard someone was mad at me?
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:06:00 - [62] PS: didnt even get gagged
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:08:00 - [63] Originally by: Durds Goons are a bunch of naggers anyway.
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:11:00 - [64] stop suppressing free speech
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:31:00 - [65] Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun I am not a Liberal, I am an African, Sparky. "Troll" or not, no one uses rascist rhetoric w/o it at least being, at some form, a part of such person's "character." Rascist rhetoric/slang/et, al, under any circumstances, is what it is: rascist language as a part of rascist behavior (in this case speech). So, as an "african", you are saying that a large portion of the black community are racist? Oh yeah, you said "One cannot say whatever one chooses. There are laws, at least in the U.S., against rascist behavior, of which speech qualifies." You were wrong, I pointed that out. When it comes to racist speech, one can say whatever one chooses and it would be protected under free speech. I cannot threaten your life face to face, however I do have the freedom to call you any racial slur I want. Apparently I'm not the one who "don't read too well." Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:35:00 - [66] Funny. I have been at many shooting events where the very rare black guy who attends at least has the decency to ask me if I am a klansman or neo skinhead. I tell him my hood and robe are at the cleaners. But in the real world, where I am expected to be a racist and in places where people expect there to be racists, you don't really see many of them, if at all. But the most vile racist crap I ever heard was in EVE chat forums. Yes, that's true. I have seen things come out of EvE players that I have never heard from from those supposedly white racist southerners. I am not a bigot. I hate you all equally.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:42:00 - [67] Cant we just all hate everyone else equally?
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:51:00 - [68]
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:58:00 - [69] Originally by: Sworn Absent stop suppressing free speech you don't have any right to free speech on privately owned forums or chat rooms. CCP owns the forum and game, they get to decide what you are, and are not, allowed to say. There is no 1st amendment on the internet. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.24 06:59:00 - [70] Sworn Absent you have made my day with that image. Thank you sir.

Zaphod Beeblebrox42	Posted - 2009.08.24 07:46:00 - [71] Edited by: Zaphod Beeblebrox42 on 24/08/2009 07:53:40 Edited by: Zaphod Beeblebrox42 on 24/08/2009 07:52:39 Originally by: Lania Resvik Originally by: Wookie 1 I first and foremost apologise for my spelling and grammer in my original post I forgot to check it at the time. I personally was not bothered by the Racism it just showed what an utter idiot he is, I was surprisingly enough actually just trying to let people know that this had happened as he could actually hurt someone by persistent use of the N word and a simile about faeces. For those of you who think its ok to be racist you clearly have less intelligence than a mollusc. I myself have moved on from this and reported him to CCP since ultimatly they do not tell anyone about the result of their investigations into racist behavior I thought this would be something of caution (since the word punishment does not really cover it correctly) anyway one last thing The American south's insistence on finding something to be proud of in a racially motivated war is rather baffling to outsiders (I.E me as I am English). Check your history, that war you are refering to wasnt racially motivated. It was started over state's rights, import tariff's and sectionalism. However because slavery is a very emotional subject and the emancipation proclamation was signed after the war was over people mistakenly assume that the war was fought over the issue of slavery. While slavery was one of the motivating issues for the souths secession it was not the only or the main one. lol, I love this argument, "it was about state's rights." Well, yeah, it was. The particular right was slavery, the sectionalism was slave vs non-slave states, and even the issue with the tariffs; slavery had a hand in it. There were a couple of slave states in the Union, that's why only slaves in confederate states were "freed". Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Funny. I have been at many shooting events where the very rare black guy who attends at least has the decency to ask me if I am a klansman or neo skinhead. I tell him my hood and robe are at the cleaners. But in the real world, where I am expected to be a racist and in places where people expect there to be racists, you don't really see many of them, if at all. But the most vile racist crap I ever heard was in EVE chat forums. Yes, that's true. I have seen things come out of EvE players that I have never heard from from those supposedly white racist southerners. I am not a bigot. I hate you all equally. While the most openly racist people you see in the news are most commonly southern, I believe that the racists in the south are in a far greater minority than in just about every other region of the US. Heck, places that were founded with equality at their cores(Michigan) have become so racist that it's sickening(Detroit, Michigan). I live in Florida where we have more of a fusion of nothern and southern people. "Bubba" in his pick-up truck is far more likely to bring home an "ethnic" woman to meet his parents than the kid that relocated from Boston is. __________________ Look, a forum alt!
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.24 08:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Zaphod Beeblebrox42 While the most openly racist people you see in the news are most commonly southern, I believe that the racists in the south are in a far greater minority than in just about every other region of the US. Heck, places that were founded with equality at their cores(Michigan) have become so racist that it's sickening(Detroit, Michigan). I live in Florida where we have more of a fusion of nothern and southern people. "Bubba" in his pick-up truck is far more likely to bring home an "ethnic" woman to meet his parents than the kid that relocated from Boston is. Yes much truth there. I lived in Florida for 9 years and saw this firsthand. And having lived in Central Florida and South Florida, the 'bubbas' in central Florida around Orlando were nicer to this Damned catholic Yankee from New York than the people in the so-called open "cosmopolitan", social justice pushing, and tolerant South Florida F.LA area. What people also fail to realize about the South is that the abolitionist movement was stronger there than in the rest of the US. Now, here is a little truth, for all those people who think that only the southrons are a bunch of white male racist bigots. Do you know why the typical northeaster will pay like 300K for a cheezie two bedroom house in the suburbs with no yard or garage? Ask any one of them in private and you will hear "Because out here there are no <insert your favorite slang for any group>". Yet in the South, were they supposedly burn people on crosses (hey, maybe it's just their version of Burning Man) i lived in a suburn where the houses were under 100K and had a mix of all kinds of people, and low crime too. The only racism acceptible in this game comes from the game storyline. The Amarr are the biggest racists of them all, those blasted bible-thumping fanatics they are. I think it's ok to call the Caldari what they are (****ionist Socialist). But as for everybody in the real world, you are all worm food and stealing my air. Just die. All of you. Then I can have the world supply of rum and pomegranates to myself.
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:34:00 - [73] Originally by: UMEE Originally by: Zed Jackelope The Civil War was not racially motivated, nor was it motivated by slavery. And I happen to be from Boston, not the South. it was DRIVEN by slavery. STATE"S RIGHTS RON PAUL 20122222222222222222222222222222222222222222 this thread is almost as ****ty as the South.
sir gankalot	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:35:00 - [74] Report 'm all, let CCP sort 'm out...
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:38:00 - [75] states have the right........ TO SUCK IT
Sinidualia	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:52:00 - [76] No screen shots or it did not happen. Someone earlier in this thread was talking saying Racism was legal and then went onto say the "n" word if racism was legal why did you not spell out the N word instead of just putting the N word ?
Abortion Engine GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:28:00 - [77] Homes cost more in the north east because everywhere else is an underdeveloped ****hole populated with uncultured neo-barbarian throwbacks.
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:52:00 - [78] Originally by: Sinidualia No screen shots or it did not happen. Someone earlier in this thread was talking saying Racism was legal and then went onto say the "n" word if racism was legal why did you not spell out the N word instead of just putting the N word ? First off, I was the one that said racism was legal, yet no where did I say "the n word" Second off: Quote: you don't have any right to free speech on privately owned forums or chat rooms. CCP owns the forum and game, they get to decide what you are, and are not, allowed to say. There is no 1st amendment on the internet. I can drop n-bombs all I want IRL in America. I can't say it on these forums because CCP said I can't. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:55:00 - [79] Uncultured neo-barbarian throwback and proud of it baby! ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Balthasar Moreq	Posted - 2009.08.24 18:32:00 - [80] 0/10 Troll

PingPong ChingChong	Posted - 2009.08.24 20:27:00 - [81] Originally by: Abortion Engine Homes cost more in the north east because everywhere else is an underdeveloped ****hole populated with uncultured neo-barbarian throwbacks. Someone mentioned Maine? tl;dr
NightHaunt Minmatar StateCraft Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.24 22:31:00 - [82] Edited by: NightHaunt on 24/08/2009 22:32:39 Firstly - I am not going to make a judgement about the alleged incident - to make an informed decision would require an investigation - however I can provide some additional information. The servers that we ALL play the game on are based in London, UK. The UK has severe laws regards any statement regarded as racist - and such abuse as is alleged to have happened, would if the person who recieved the statement considered it to be racist, be viewed as a hate Crime. This also includes gender orientation, as well as other "minority" groups. If we take the hyperthetical situation that someone made a racist statement - then if that person is an EU citizen they could face extradition to the UK to stand trial - and these offences carry upto a jail sentence. However if that person is outside the EU the police do have powers to arrest said person if they ever visit the UK. CCP is not based in the UK but because the servers are based here in the event that someone does commit a "hate crime" under UK laws they could be held as an accessory to the crime being committed if they take no action. This is because they have provided the "medium" in which the crime has been committed and have taken no action to police the "communication medium" they provide. This is why any such incident should be reported to CCP, to enable them to maintain their legal obligations and who are the only party, other than the UK Police, who are able to investigate such matters. Regards NightHaunt
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.25 06:08:00 - [83] Yes, I'm sure the UK police are going to work hard to arrest every person who was ever racist on an internet spaceship game as soon as they step into the country.
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.25 11:51:00 - [84] Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 19:30:53 Originally by: Terminal Insanity If you petition him, im sure the GM's will punish him for it. However, seriously, who the hell cares. I mean, he's only making himself appear to be ignorant. Its just a word. You know that old saying 'sticks and stones...' well, seriously.... you arnt 5 years old, you should be capable of ignoring people who offend you. If we ban every offensive phrase, word or action, we will end up in 1984. Racisim is stupid, but so is trying to punish people who are racist. let them be ignorant, dont sink to their level and try to fight them over it. Adolf ******'s sentiments exactly, just before he tossed some "non-'Aryans' (the fool wasn't even Aryan)" into the "Gasser." BTW, did you know that rascist language is prohibited under CCP's forum rules of conduct. Post a rascist word here, and let's see what happens (if words are simply to be ignored). I am sure the Devs. want it to be known by patrons/future patrons that they tolerate rascist speech. Actually, genius, pre-WW2 Germany had hate speech restrictions and they also had mandatory gun registration. And, yes - you ARE a liberal. An ignorant one, but a liberal just the same.
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.25 14:00:00 - [85] Originally by: NightHaunt Edited by: NightHaunt on 24/08/2009 22:32:39 Firstly - I am not going to make a judgement about the alleged incident - to make an informed decision would require an investigation - however I can provide some additional information. The servers that we ALL play the game on are based in London, UK. The UK has severe laws regards any statement regarded as racist - and such abuse as is alleged to have happened, would if the person who recieved the statement considered it to be racist, be viewed as a hate Crime. This also includes gender orientation, as well as other "minority" groups. If we take the hyperthetical situation that someone made a racist statement - then if that person is an EU citizen they could face extradition to the UK to stand trial - and these offences carry upto a jail sentence. However if that person is outside the EU the police do have powers to arrest said person if they ever visit the UK. CCP is not based in the UK but because the servers are based here in the event that someone does commit a "hate crime" under UK laws they could be held as an accessory to the crime being committed if they take no action. This is because they have provided the "medium" in which the crime has been committed and have taken no action to police the "communication medium" they provide. This is why any such incident should be reported to CCP, to enable them to maintain their legal obligations and who are the only party, other than the UK Police, who are able to investigate such matters. Regards Thank you Night Haunt, I still forget that the servers are in the UK and you guys don't have freedom of speech. You make very good points. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.25 14:14:00 - [86] **ing ****s
Dawts Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.25 14:15:00 - [87] The racism in this game is mild at worst, try playing xbox live for an hour (insert any online game here). Stop crying you ***s, don't let e-words hurt your poor little feelings.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.25 14:38:00 - [88] Hey look, I have opinions and I'm posting them on the internet! \o/ -
M'ing Pai Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.08.25 15:30:00 - [89] Confirming southern girls are the best girls.
Morvyn Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.08.25 18:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Captain Pompous I'M TAKING IT BACK Sorry guys but this dude just won the thread. Everyone who posted after him, you wasted your time typing a post congrats.

Little Fistter Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:07:00 - [91] "ISM's" are a red herring. Smart people know that there will always be an "Us" vs "Them" regardless of if its Athens vs Spartans, Greeks vs Persians, Romans vs Celts, right down to the modern era. Now the smart people usually get the stupid people to do the fighting for them. It helps clean the gene pool and frankly, leading the ignorant of this planet is downright easy (Just listen to Beck, Hannity or Limbaugh to see how stupid people are!) The eternally stupid are easily controlled through trigger words. The trick is to guess the correct trigger word to elicit the most violent response. Fortunately, the stupid are subject to many irrational phobias and most trigger words work for them with little effort. Frankly, I regard a person's intelligence in inverse proportion to their acceptance of hate speech. Smart people don't call names or waste their lives talking about hatred. Its all a matter of how afraid we are of each other. Those of us who harbor many racial hatred thoughts are burdened by them and because their minds are filled with these evil thoughts, they miss out on the beauty of the world. Frankly, I like like what Rabbi Jesus said: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." but Buddha and Confucius said virtually the same thing, much earlier. A tolerant spirit is its own reward. DEVS! Please a small color indicator upon jump gate icon that shows color of the system security rating of the destination system in the overview and in the HUD view. Little Fistter
Mel Lifera Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.26 00:39:00 - [92] Originally by: Lania Resvik Check your history, that war you are refering to wasnt racially motivated. It was started over state's rights, import tariff's and sectionalism. However because slavery is a very emotional subject and the emancipation proclamation was signed after the war was over people mistakenly assume that the war was fought over the issue of slavery. While slavery was one of the motivating issues for the souths secession it was not the only or the main one. Wrong. The Civil War was entirely about slavery, and the myth that it wasn't was only invented and propagated after the war was over. To believe said myth, you have to be willing to ignore the documents all of the Southern states' legislatures published upon their secession, all of which identify slavery by name as the reason for their leaving, as well as a couple rather key speeches made by confederate government leaders which affirm same. While the rest of us "check our history", I suggest you stop watching Ted Turner movies about old bearded southern gentleman generals who were best buddies with their slaves. But this has nothing to do with EVE. What were we supposed to be talking about again?
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.26 01:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Mel Lifera Originally by: Lania Resvik Check your history, that war you are refering to wasnt racially motivated. It was started over state's rights, import tariff's and sectionalism. However because slavery is a very emotional subject and the emancipation proclamation was signed after the war was over people mistakenly assume that the war was fought over the issue of slavery. While slavery was one of the motivating issues for the souths secession it was not the only or the main one. Wrong. The Civil War was entirely about slavery, and the myth that it wasn't was only invented and propagated after the war was over. To believe said myth, you have to be willing to ignore the documents all of the Southern states' legislatures published upon their secession, all of which identify slavery by name as the reason for their leaving, as well as a couple rather key speeches made by confederate government leaders which affirm same. While the rest of us "check our history", I suggest you stop watching Ted Turner movies about old bearded southern gentleman generals who were best buddies with their slaves. But this has nothing to do with EVE. What were we supposed to be talking about again? This is right. In fact, what's really great is that right up until VERY shortly before they broke away, they fought against states rights - wanting to crush northern states' rights to not turn over fugitive slaves, bare slavery, etc. Only when that started to come apart did they go truly pro states' rights. States' rights had little to do with the US civil war. Slavery and tariffs were the big issues. Although again, this is a derail.
Joeziah	Posted - 2009.08.26 04:35:00 - [94] Minmatar, filthy vermin the lot of them...
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.26 04:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Joeziah Minmatar, filthy vermin the lot of them... Go suck a priest...
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.08.26 05:05:00 - [96] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Joeziah Minmatar, filthy vermin the lot of them... Go suck a priest... <3 Lana --- Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
MicroWarpdrive II Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.26 07:50:00 - [97] i wonder what he said to make the guy this butthurt..
Fourty Niner	Posted - 2009.08.26 16:13:00 - [98] Originally by: Rotnac Originally by: Mel Lifera Originally by: Lania Resvik Check your history, that war you are refering to wasnt racially motivated. It was started over state's rights, import tariff's and sectionalism. However because slavery is a very emotional subject and the emancipation proclamation was signed after the war was over people mistakenly assume that the war was fought over the issue of slavery. While slavery was one of the motivating issues for the souths secession it was not the only or the main one. Wrong. The Civil War was entirely about slavery, and the myth that it wasn't was only invented and propagated after the war was over. To believe said myth, you have to be willing to ignore the documents all of the Southern states' legislatures published upon their secession, all of which identify slavery by name as the reason for their leaving, as well as a couple rather key speeches made by confederate government leaders which affirm same. While the rest of us "check our history", I suggest you stop watching Ted Turner movies about old bearded southern gentleman generals who were best buddies with their slaves. But this has nothing to do with EVE. What were we supposed to be talking about again? This is right. In fact, what's really great is that right up until VERY shortly before they broke away, they fought against states rights - wanting to crush northern states' rights to not turn over fugitive slaves, bare slavery, etc. Only when that started to come apart did they go truly pro states' rights. States' rights had little to do with the US civil war. Slavery and tariffs were the big issues. Although again, this is a derail. The last northern state to abolish slavery was New Jersey the laws of that state retained slaves over a certain age as "apprentices for life" until the 13th Amendment in 1865, which in fact proved to be the actual end of slavery in New Jersey. I only post this in the hope of showing to BOTH sides in this argument that the civil war was a LOT more complicated than "slavery or NOT". Mel and Lania are both really right, the war was mostly about the federal governments RIGHT to impose Laws across the whole Union. HOWEVER the very very specific reason for the succession of the southern states was the breakdown of the acceptance into the union of states in Pairs (One free one Slave state) They went so far as to make California send one Pro-slave senator to balance that states "free" Nature. Then the Turnaround of Kansas from a slave state to a Free state put the balance totally out of whack. And the Slave states seeing a very real threat to their way of life, seceded from the union. That is, Although Anti Slavery Legislation wasnÆt the reason for the succession, the inevitability of such legislation was. http://BIGLottery.BIG-EVE.com
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics	Posted - 2009.08.26 21:27:00 - [99] Dude, white ppl are crazy -Ara
Sabrina Al'Kian	Posted - 2009.08.26 21:55:00 - [100] Edited by: Sabrina Al''Kian on 26/08/2009 21:55:19 I feel inclined to correct a fallacy here. Depending on the state, it's actually not allowed to use overtly racist speech. Though somewhat recent, the laws of at least Connecticut (and I believe a few other states) make it an arrestable offense to use "Hate Speech/Fighting Words". Essentially, any words spoken with the intention of eliciting violence/violent emotions are, in fact, against the law. You have to remember that states have the right to impose higher restrictions on their populace. They cannot grant freedoms from Federal Law, but they can remove them under State Law. So your comment about Free Speech granting you the right to racism is, depending on where you're from, fallacious.

Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.27 02:17:00 - [101] Originally by: Sabrina Al'Kian Edited by: Sabrina Al''Kian on 26/08/2009 21:55:19 I feel inclined to correct a fallacy here. Depending on the state, it's actually not allowed to use overtly racist speech. Though somewhat recent, the laws of at least Connecticut (and I believe a few other states) make it an arrestable offense to use "Hate Speech/Fighting Words". Essentially, any words spoken with the intention of eliciting violence/violent emotions are, in fact, against the law. You have to remember that states have the right to impose higher restrictions on their populace. They cannot grant freedoms from Federal Law, but they can remove them under State Law. So your comment about Free Speech granting you the right to racism is, depending on where you're from, fallacious. Constitutional law trumps any other law of the nation, and no law can be made that takes it away (which is why so many gun laws are getting repealed, 2a forever!). The right to free speech may not be removed under any circumstance. Constitutional law > Federal > State > Local. That's how the BS flows. Also what you're thinking of is assault. And yes, in some places assault by itself may be an arrestable offense (in most, afaik, its only an arrestable offense if followed by battery.. hence being charged with assault & battery). However, it is perfectly legal to say 'i hope you die you dirty ethnic slur'. It is not legal to say 'i'm going to beat you to a pulp' that is assault. adding an ethnic slur, depending on local laws, then makes it a hate crime. of course, if you say 'i hope you die you dirty slur', and they're found dead the next day.. well, that makes you a prime suspect, with a racist motive. sucks to be you! Sig removed for discussing moderation. Zymurgist I wasn't aware one could have a discussion within a signature. Possum Get the hell out of my sig. Zed
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.27 02:22:00 - [102] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 27/08/2009 02:22:57 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Originally by: Sabrina Al'Kian Some ** about US law Some other ** about US law I forget... Where is CCP located? And where are the servers located??
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.27 02:40:00 - [103] Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 27/08/2009 02:22:57 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Originally by: Sabrina Al'Kian Some ** about US law Some other ** about US law I forget... Where is CCP located? And where are the servers located?? I've already covered that. Sig removed for discussing moderation. Zymurgist I wasn't aware one could have a discussion within a signature. Possum Get the hell out of my sig. Zed
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.27 02:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 27/08/2009 02:22:57 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Originally by: Sabrina Al'Kian Some ** about US law Some other ** about US law I forget... Where is CCP located? And where are the servers located?? I've already covered that. Good.. So do you want to shut the hell up about an amendment that doesn't apply to a constitution that has nothing to do with a game that we are supposed to be talking about? Or you know, go to out of pod and discuss it there..
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.27 03:18:00 - [105] Originally by: Lana Torrin Good.. So do you want to shut the hell up about an amendment that doesn't apply to a constitution that has nothing to do with a game that we are supposed to be talking about? Or you know, go to out of pod and discuss it there.. no but please.. keep bumping the thread so more will reply with absurd notions of how the US constitution works. Sig removed for discussing moderation. Zymurgist I wasn't aware one could have a discussion within a signature. Possum Get the hell out of my sig. Zed
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.27 03:33:00 - [106] just thought i'd pop into this thread to say that I don't care about any of this at all
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.27 03:36:00 - [107] Originally by: Zed Jackelope Originally by: Lana Torrin Good.. So do you want to shut the hell up about an amendment that doesn't apply to a constitution that has nothing to do with a game that we are supposed to be talking about? Or you know, go to out of pod and discuss it there.. no but please.. keep bumping the thread so more will reply with absurd notions of how the US constitution works. You know im gona....
Leo Hornet Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.27 07:52:00 - [108] Originally by: M'ing Pai Confirming southern girls are the best girls. +10 on this .. Some of them should be called 'Head Surgeons' ..! (the reason im married!)
DevyKee Amarr Harmless Plebs	Posted - 2009.08.27 13:42:00 - [109] Big, massive, epic YAWN........
Fossil Wolf omen. Gay4Life	Posted - 2009.08.27 14:14:00 - [110] THE PIRATE BAY WILL NOT FALL

Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2009.08.27 15:35:00 - [111] @OP: I suggest you petition it. Posting here accomplishes almost nothing. Considering I once got a 24h in-game chat gag for typing the F-word in local, I think dicipline has gone downhill somewhat.
Sasha Black Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.08.27 17:18:00 - [112] I cant tell the difference between goons and southern hics anyway.
Pandemonium Heresy Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange	Posted - 2009.08.27 17:20:00 - [113] You can always wardec the GOONS, I hear wardec'ing works. _________________________________________________ FOR THE SLAUGHTER!
Jayder Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:20:00 - [114] Short version: The south didn't have to be right for the north to be wrong.
Mel Lifera Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:13:00 - [115] Originally by: Jayder Short version: The south didn't have to be right for the north to be wrong. Completion: This point is moot, however, because the north was right.
Shobon Welp	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:26:00 - [116] Crime and Punishment: Politics Chat
Kate Yeats Caldari Stand and Deliver	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:29:00 - [117] Originally by: Sasha Black I cant tell the difference between goons and southern hics anyway. Well that's easy, Rednecks actually go out in the sun.
VCBee2888 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:02:00 - [118]
Jayder Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:25:00 - [119] Originally by: Mel Lifera Originally by: Jayder Short version: The south didn't have to be right for the north to be wrong. Completion: This point is moot, however, because the north was right. The federal government only has the 19 powers enumerated to it by the constitution, the same constitution which relegates any and all remaining (unwritten) rights to the states and then to the people. It does not include the right to force the sovereign states to remain part of the union which they joined voluntarily, although it is certainly in their best interest to.
verde shrimp Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:26:00 - [120] We have gotten to the bottom of this and while this is a serious problem we are too busy ratting bloods too do anything about it.

Paul Clavet Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:34:00 - [121] THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH (...when the South rises again!) ---- Suddenly Ninjas Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:37:00 - [122] Originally by: Kate Yeats Originally by: Sasha Black I cant tell the difference between goons and southern hics anyway. Well that's easy, Rednecks actually go out in the sun. Wise man once told me there is big difference between a redneck and a hillbillie -Ara
Ahistaja GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:29:00 - [123] Originally by: Sasha Black I cant tell the difference between goons and southern hics anyway. the difference is goons won the war
RVWinkle GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:56:00 - [124] Originally by: Ahistaja Originally by: Sasha Black I cant tell the difference between goons and southern hics anyway. the difference is goons won the war Did we win because we're genetically superior to pubbies?
ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.27 23:26:00 - [125] Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 23:53:19 Originally by: Riedle Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 19:30:53 Originally by: Terminal Insanity If you petition him, im sure the GM's will punish him for it. However, seriously, who the hell cares. I mean, he's only making himself appear to be ignorant. Its just a word. You know that old saying 'sticks and stones...' well, seriously.... you arnt 5 years old, you should be capable of ignoring people who offend you. If we ban every offensive phrase, word or action, we will end up in 1984. Racisim is stupid, but so is trying to punish people who are racist. let them be ignorant, dont sink to their level and try to fight them over it. Adolf ******'s sentiments exactly, just before he tossed some "non-'Aryans' (the fool wasn't even Aryan)" into the "Gasser." BTW, did you know that rascist language is prohibited under CCP's forum rules of conduct. Post a rascist word here, and let's see what happens (if words are simply to be ignored). I am sure the Devs. want it to be known by patrons/future patrons that they tolerate rascist speech. Actually, genius, pre-WW2 Germany had hate speech restrictions and they also had mandatory gun registration. And, yes - you ARE a liberal. An ignorant one, but a liberal just the same. Wrong again. My culture is African, specifically Songye/Mongo (Seko Silibanda/Nyanga Ya Libanda!)and conservatively so. Your Western social concept does not apply to me. And the great Adolf was allowed to utter what, in pre-WW2 Germany? Rascist speech has no place ingame or on the forums. Let's test it out. Reply to me here that I am a...(racial slur of your choice), and let's see how it goes. As a matter of fact, alert the Devs. when you are in some Local chat and that you intend on saying a racial slur, and let's see what happens.
Jimmy Kudo g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.08.27 23:47:00 - [126] Cool story bro ___________________ HAWAIIAN PRIDE
ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.27 23:56:00 - [127] Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 23:59:09 Originally by: Jimmy Kudo Cool story bro Thanks! I wept crocs. as I wrote it! And, we're not bros. (that is a sure nonMinmatar spelling)unless you're Brutor-yeah boooyyyyy!
Trace Kel'le	Posted - 2009.08.30 15:17:00 - [128] Americans,remember the first amendment is an american law. CCP doesnt care about american speech laws they are in iceland which has a far stricter hate speech law. Call someone an n word in iceland you are going to jail for up to 2 years. Also first amendment isnt binding on private institutions like CCP which are free to set whatever speech standards they like but since they are based in iceland they are bound by icelandic law. Im not holding my breath on the icelandic government doing anything unless some icelandic eve player complained.
Angel Violette Demonic Empire Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2009.08.30 16:20:00 - [129] A problem that has been around forever , Your not gonna solve it here .. get over it ..
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.30 16:27:00 - [130] Originally by: Trace Kel'le Americans,remember the first amendment is an american law. CCP doesnt care about american speech laws they are in iceland which has a far stricter hate speech law. Call someone an n word in iceland you are going to jail for up to 2 years. Also first amendment isnt binding on private institutions like CCP which are free to set whatever speech standards they like but since they are based in iceland they are bound by icelandic law. Im not holding my breath on the icelandic government doing anything unless some icelandic eve player complained. The question is really: am I going to get extradited for something I say on an internet spaceship game. The answer: almost certainly not, unless I'm making a irl threat with a lot of specific details. If you live in whatever-the-hell jurisdiction the Eve server is in, maybe you have to worry more. But I doubt it. Gov'ts and police forces tend not to want to put resources into controlling speech in a video game.

Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.30 16:52:00 - [131] Originally by: Rotnac Originally by: Trace Kel'le Americans,remember the first amendment is an american law. CCP doesnt care about american speech laws they are in iceland which has a far stricter hate speech law. Call someone an n word in iceland you are going to jail for up to 2 years. Also first amendment isnt binding on private institutions like CCP which are free to set whatever speech standards they like but since they are based in iceland they are bound by icelandic law. Im not holding my breath on the icelandic government doing anything unless some icelandic eve player complained. The question is really: am I going to get extradited for something I say on an internet spaceship game. The answer: almost certainly not, unless I'm making a irl threat with a lot of specific details. If you live in whatever-the-hell jurisdiction the Eve server is in, maybe you have to worry more. But I doubt it. Gov'ts and police forces tend not to want to put resources into controlling speech in a video game. Yeah, I'm quoting myself. What what. An incredibly tiny bit of research later, and I found that most extradition treaties (especially those between the US and European countries) require "double criminality": the notion that to extradite someone, the act must be criminal in both countries. As hate speech is generally protected under the US first amendment, this means that if I (in the US) call you all sorts of racial slurs, and you press charges in the UK (where the servers are based), the US would refuse to extradite me. Or wherever you press charges. Not that any speech is protected of course; there is a line that can be crossed, and then the US would happily toss me out. There is actual case law baking this up, see this article for some minor insight: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=193 although I'm sure there are better sources. So actually, CCP (more accurately, Iceland or the UK) does have to care about the US's 1st amendment: if I'm in the US, it does effect their ability to get me extradited. So, CCP can ban me from the game for using such hate language, but they can't get me imprisoned overseas for it. Haha, I love the first amendment.
Puss Bag GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.30 17:44:00 - [132] 10% of this thread actually paid attention in history class. 5% of this thread actually are able to look past their regional textbook biases and form real arguments based on FACT, as opposed to what their truly RACIST family/friends taught them. Seriously, you are arguing about the validity of racism on an MMO forum. You lose. GET OFF THE INTERNET.
Kydin	Posted - 2009.08.30 18:34:00 - [133] Edited by: Kydin on 30/08/2009 18:34:34 you have to understand that this is the wrong forum and laws differ depending on where you live, Goonswarm and all the other major alliances were been added to my block list before i started playing 2 years ago Goonswarm and many other alliances are under the influence that because they are idiots behind and LCD screen, they have the right to insult people petition it, they will get banned. It's ironic really, they don't care when racism or sensitive issues come up but they complain when the price of milk goes up
Ahistaja GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.30 23:03:00 - [134] Originally by: Kydin Edited by: Kydin on 30/08/2009 18:37:56 you have to understand that this is the wrong forum Goonswarm and many other alliances are under the influence that because they are idiots behind and LCD screen, they have the right to insult people petition it, they will get banned. It's ironic really, they don't care when racism or sensitive issues come up but they complain when the price of milk goes up If you don't agree with them, they flame you and insult you. They have such little ingenuity that when someone writes an interesting post they have to comment on the punctuation Really does indicate the severe lack of intelligence brought here by the septic underbelly that is Crime and Punishment bolded the incorrect part for you, champ
Palmer Eldritch Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 10:50:00 - [135] Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 31/08/2009 10:51:01 I love the way you Americans think its all about you.
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.08.31 11:19:00 - [136] Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 00:28:01 Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 00:24:23 Originally by: Zed Jackelope Edited by: Zed Jackelope on 22/08/2009 18:35:46 Why are you so butthurt by someone's supposed prejudicial beliefs? People like you are why racist comments are used so* much. If it didn't butthurt you so easily, it wouldn't be used. tl;dr get over it One cannot say whatever one chooses. There are laws, at least in the U.S., against rascist behavior, of which speech qualifies. The normal response by me would be to knock the taste out of the rascist's mouth; but, most rascists are cowards anyway. Therefore, a form of legally sanctioned action should be brought forth to address the matter (once confirmed). Real world rascist beliefs have no place ingame, at least if we players are to remain civil (regarding out-of-game speech used ingame/on the forums). Minmatar and Ammarr "hatred" is fictitious. These "peoples" do not exist, even if having been patterned on actual groups. Calling me a Minmatar Slave will not gain the same response from me as calling me the "N" word. And I'll ignore such nonesense when we stop being human. As long as I am allowed to (use a reverse punch to) knock the teeth out of the mouth of the clown saying it, you can tell me I should ignore it. Allowing this to happen will increase, not DECREASE, its use. Freedom of free speach violation. ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.08.31 11:32:00 - [137] Originally by: Wookie 1 I first and foremost apologise for my spelling and grammer in my original post I forgot to check it at the time. I personally was not bothered by the Racism it just showed what an utter idiot he is, I was surprisingly enough actually just trying to let people know that this had happened as he could actually hurt someone by persistent use of the N word and a simile about faeces. For those of you who think its ok to be racist you clearly have less intelligence than a mollusc. I myself have moved on from this and reported him to CCP since ultimatly they do not tell anyone about the result of their investigations into racist behavior I thought this would be something of caution (since the word punishment does not really cover it correctly) anyway one last thing The American south's insistence on finding something to be proud of in a racially motivated war is rather baffling to outsiders (I.E me as I am English). Goons are thick as 2 planks. How did the goon know you are black? ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:17:00 - [138] Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 23:53:19 Originally by: Riedle Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 19:30:53 Originally by: Terminal Insanity If you petition him, im sure the GM's will punish him for it. However, seriously, who the hell cares. I mean, he's only making himself appear to be ignorant. Its just a word. You know that old saying 'sticks and stones...' well, seriously.... you arnt 5 years old, you should be capable of ignoring people who offend you. If we ban every offensive phrase, word or action, we will end up in 1984. Racisim is stupid, but so is trying to punish people who are racist. let them be ignorant, dont sink to their level and try to fight them over it. Adolf ******'s sentiments exactly, just before he tossed some "non-'Aryans' (the fool wasn't even Aryan)" into the "Gasser." BTW, did you know that rascist language is prohibited under CCP's forum rules of conduct. Post a rascist word here, and let's see what happens (if words are simply to be ignored). I am sure the Devs. want it to be known by patrons/future patrons that they tolerate rascist speech. Actually, genius, pre-WW2 Germany had hate speech restrictions and they also had mandatory gun registration. And, yes - you ARE a liberal. An ignorant one, but a liberal just the same. Wrong again. My culture is African, specifically Songye/Mongo (Seko Silibanda/Nyanga Ya Libanda!)and conservatively so. Your Western social concept does not apply to me. And the great Adolf was allowed to utter what, in pre-WW2 Germany? Rascist speech has no place ingame or on the forums. Let's test it out. Reply to me here that I am a...(racial slur of your choice), and let's see how it goes. As a matter of fact, alert the Devs. when you are in some Local chat and that you intend on saying a racial slur, and let's see what happens. WTF? I have ZERO interest in what race you are dude and nice that you infer you know what mine is. Get over yourself.
Saunt Bly	Posted - 2009.09.24 15:31:00 - [139] Edited by: Saunt Bly on 24/09/2009 15:32:57 Originally by: Jones Bones Ignorance breeds fear. The root of racism tends to be ignorance and fear. This is a common misconception. Modern racism has its roots in the Enlightenment, within the idea that a just God places souls in the bodies he chooses. A handicapped person or person from a more savage culture bears those burdens as a consequence of Divine Providence. This idea combines with Empiricism to produce modern racism, which is a set of ideas taught and learned, not a random product of ignorance. One can attribute racism to error, but to attribute it to ignorance avoids confronting the ideas behind it. Slavery on the other hand, is much older and has its roots in mercy. Rather than put a defeated people to death, its women and children were spared, to live useful lives. Like perpetual children or other chattel, slaves are slaves because they aren't really competent to manage themselves. The notion that ALL people want to be free is the product of an undue regard for the idea of Equality, and clearly contrary to many examples of people who seem eager to enslave themselves to debt, drugs, or the myriad other aspects of [life] that can diminish freedom. Your Boss might not oversee your work from a horse, with whip in hand, but that doesn't stop many from being as financially bound and dependent on their employers as securely as slaves physically bound by chains. Neither freedom nor equality are absolute. Neither possess a permanent place atop a reasonable hierarchy of virtues. Finding something greater than oneself to serve has marked many great lives.
Tiel Enim	Posted - 2009.09.24 17:47:00 - [140] Im a rasist.

Arath Desteber	Posted - 2009.09.25 10:31:00 - [141] This thread has gone a long way to explaining why Dr Dre can say the N-word all he wants on his albums but when I used it as my sons under 12 A team football match I was asked to leave.
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.09.25 10:51:00 - [142] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Xelios Xarxes Yeehaw, the south will rise again, wave that confederate flag, guns & god forever!!! You got a problem with the South, you asshat? You think the men are a pain, wait til you meet us girls. I live in south carolina and love me some southern girls, pm me :) Alliance Recruit thread Alliance Homepage/Killboard
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2009.09.25 11:16:00 - [143] Edited by: arbiter reborn on 25/09/2009 11:18:22 **** this
Ibalz	Posted - 2009.09.25 11:45:00 - [144] Edited by: Ibalz on 25/09/2009 11:49:47 The sad thing really is that people still fail to see the problem with it in the first place. If you have to be racist understand it may be your view but generally it's something most people find abhorrent. Which therefore is something we really aren't intrested in hearing.
Novamako The Happy Spacemen	Posted - 2009.09.26 20:48:00 - [145] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 31/08/2009 10:51:01 I love the way you Americans think its all about you. Don't make us drop a bomb on you, you tree hugging hippie.
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.09.26 21:05:00 - [146] I'm glad this thread is still going strong. Zym's a moron. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Sub Prime	Posted - 2009.09.26 23:45:00 - [147] What have the Romans ever done for us?
MystDic Fluffer	Posted - 2009.09.27 00:40:00 - [148] Can i have ur stuff
Grek Forto	Posted - 2009.09.27 01:11:00 - [149]
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.09.27 01:40:00 - [150] Originally by: Sub Prime What have the Romans ever done for us? apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order? ♥ Wreck Disposal Services

Intense Thinker Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.09.27 01:48:00 - [151] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Sub Prime What have the Romans ever done for us? apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order? And did a good job killing the Xtian god And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again.
Zaeyla Frank's Astronomics and Procurement Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.09.27 12:01:00 - [152] Can we please lock this thread? First, the OP is clearly OT. Second, the OP and numerous subsequent posts are spreading bigotry AGAINST racists. The way to solve racism is not through hating racists. Fighting bigotry with bigotry is like fighting fire with fire. The fire will only grow hotter and nothing will get done. Thanks CCP admins. Wookie 1 should hang his head in shame and start a new char so he doesn't have to show his shameful face in eve ever again.
xenonn Gallente Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.09.27 13:07:00 - [153] Racism is a point of view. I have certain "views" on a certain ethnic group. My views are valid views I haven't always held. They have been brought about by changes in my country's laws and priorities that allow the native people of my country to be victims of this ethnic minority, Now this ethnic minority literally get away with murder so as not to incite violence and to give the impression we are a just and tolerant nation. One day this country is going to burn.
Beartato	Posted - 2009.09.28 02:23:00 - [154] this thread made me hate white people
MoonsOverMyHammy GoonFleet	Posted - 2009.09.28 03:24:00 - [155] LF taught me that affluence is a disease therefore Affluenza
Jim GNARKILL Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.09.28 03:48:00 - [156] Edited by: Jim GNARKILL on 28/09/2009 03:48:54 this thread needs more Gnarkill and lana and crimson and res and kitty and stuff edit: maybe not more lana but certainly the other stuff
Smiling Menace Gallente Crimson Paradox	Posted - 2009.09.28 06:10:00 - [157] Goons acting like asshats in local? Well there is a shock. Very news worthy and needs it's own thread...oh wait
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.09.29 03:16:00 - [158] Originally by: Zaeyla Fighting bigotry with bigotry is like fighting fire with fire. The fire will only grow hotter and nothing will get done. Look up "back fire" and "back burning"; fighting fire with fire is a perfectly acceptable practice. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Fumen Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.29 04:20:00 - [159] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 31/08/2009 10:51:01 I love the way you Americans think its all about you. OMG!! It's not!?!? Why didn't someone tell us? Who's it about then? It's gotta be about SOMEBODY!!
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.29 05:08:00 - [160] Originally by: Fumen Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 31/08/2009 10:51:01 I love the way you Americans think its all about you. OMG!! It's not!?!? Why didn't someone tell us? Who's it about then? It's gotta be about SOMEBODY!! No, it is all about us. Sometimes the rest of the world just gets uppity for a little while before settling down again and remembering who's their master.

Bhaumut	Posted - 2009.09.29 05:40:00 - [161] Originally by: Rotnac Originally by: Fumen Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 31/08/2009 10:51:01 I love the way you Americans think its all about you. OMG!! It's not!?!? Why didn't someone tell us? Who's it about then? It's gotta be about SOMEBODY!! No, it is all about us. Sometimes the rest of the world just gets uppity for a little while before settling down again and remembering who's their master. Ok "BoB"


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