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flakeys
Distillery
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:05:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Yin Xue
Originally by: flakeys
Hahaha ,
now i have shown my concerns about these investments above HOWEVER a char who only has 2 posts so far telling that investors with only a few posts are fake does not convince anyone now does it.
Wait.. what?
You do realise that im not asking for money here :S So the fact i am a faceless alt who shouldnt be trusted doesnt really diminish the fact that all his investors are as well.
Unless... If all it takes to prove someone is trustworthy is to rubish them with an alt, i will soon be running my own very successful ponzi scheme. Thanks for the tip 
Again i have stated my issues here however you are saying: It is really a coincidence people's first or tenth post happends to be one where they invest in this , then i in my turn find it funny that your second post is about how trustworthy/reall people can be who have only posted a few times.
Again i am not talking about wether or not i find the OP trustworthy , i am talking about you posting for a second time in your eve carreer about how people who post for the second time in their eve carreer can't be posting about investments now can they.
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Nif Makria
Caldari
Eve Engineering Finance
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:13:00 -
[32]
500m invested
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:14:00 -
[33]
I would just like to point out that the arguement that flakey is having isnt about my char!
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Yin Xue
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:43:00 -
[34]
Originally by: flakeys
Again i have stated my issues here however you are saying: It is really a coincidence people's first or tenth post happends to be one where they invest in this , then i in my turn find it funny that your second post is about how trustworthy/reall people can be who have only posted a few times.
Again i am not talking about wether or not i find the OP trustworthy , i am talking about you posting for a second time in your eve carreer about how people who post for the second time in their eve carreer can't be posting about investments now can they.
Ahhh i see. Sorry, but when i see several characters come to MD claiming to be mains but having no posting history, i dont see coincidence.
And im not posting for the second time in my eve career, im posting for the second time on this character, which was created for this purpose, and will be recycled once its no longer any use to me.
Eve's metagame extends to fabricating identities, and there are safeguards other then blind faith to access people.
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Kravotir
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:05:00 -
[35]
Interested in investing - please mail/convo me.
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Einear Lightfingers
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Posted - 2009.08.24 04:26:00 -
[36]
I wouldn't same I', new to investing... I have over 10,000 shares of Block Mineral Reserve and 20 shares of EVE Wealth Management. That's about 1.2 Billion plus in stock alone. I will admit that even with an Audit that DBank failed with a lot of my isk, but am hoping that their return will see a lot of the money back. I post rarely, and do not consider myself as part of the MD regular. For the thousands of posts weekly on MD Forum most are flames. This thread has plenty of that... Thank you and if your not interested in investing shove off, find another thread to flame.
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ingenting
20th Legion
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:53:40
Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:52:51
red flag: no audit
red flag: "explained everything in-game"
red flag: possible alts/friends trying to create interest ala "quickly invest before all shares are taken"
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Originally by: CCP Pann
I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas.
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:41:00 -
[38]
Ok, Audits - in my opinion there just a phase, but im not getting into this here.
"explained in game" - that was in the first thread - now its all explained here
Alts/friends........errrr no, not spoke to any of them before - i cant prove this i know as people will just flame.
If you want to invest please post - if you want to flame, please convo me - as your cluttering my thread up
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Empress Viele
Golden Goat Hedge Funds and Finance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:15:00 -
[39]
I'd be interested in investing 2 bn isk. But...
I'll need full api keys, or them handed over to a third party to conduct an audit. I will personally cover the cost of this.
K, thanks.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:02:00 -
[40]
Ohai. I'm here for the BBQ; I brought flames!
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Dzil
Caldari
Halo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:20:00 -
[41]
Originally by: General Newbold
Ok, Audits - in my opinion there just a phase, but im not getting into this here.
"explained in game" - that was in the first thread - now its all explained here
Alts/friends........errrr no, not spoke to any of them before - i cant prove this i know as people will just flame.
If you want to invest please post - if you want to flame, please convo me - as your cluttering my thread up
There is no denying an audit would do a lot to dispel the perception that the pool of "investors" with no MD history that have cropped up from no where to support this "investment opportunity" are in fact not your friends, alts, etc.
You ask others to have faith in your investment, others ask you to have faith in an auditor to give your logs a quick lookover and remove suspicions. You even have an investor willing to foot the bill, not taking this free opportunity to improve your investment and potential candidate pool only deepens my doubts in your good intentions.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:31:00 -
[42]
Haha! you guys are so annoyed at the General bypassing the carefully setup "rules" you are going to get your pound of flesh one way or another! like a pack of wolves circling the victim you keep darting in and nipping his ass :) trouble is there are enough of us "Friends and alts" to sustain his needs.
I actually would prefer there would be no more investment, as I am not sure just how much more he can handle and may over stretch himself.
I would welcome an audit and if successful would buy in for as much as the General can handle, but would insist on an upper limit to the bond, I must admit to a thrill akin to gambling when investing in these "risky" offerings.
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Einear Lightfingers
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:44:00 -
[43]
(Non Alt) I received my first payment of 50 million for 1 week of investment of 1 billion. The General was so kind as to add a little extra cause he had not spoken to me previously about the change in the manner of the thread/investment criteria (i.e rolling investment with 5% weekly.) I wasn't concerned as I had already requested a rolling investment. Keep up the great work General and don't let the flamers burn you.
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Varnik
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:32:00 -
[44]
Would like to purcase 1 bond if the offer is still open?
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:56:00 -
[45]
Originally by: ingenting
Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:53:40
Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:52:51
red flag: no audit
red flag: "explained everything in-game"
red flag: possible alts/friends trying to create interest ala "quickly invest before all shares are taken"
Personally I just find the thread plain old creepy. It's like some homeless guy with no personal hygiene to speak of, selling loli-pops to little kids out of a broken shopping cart.
What I'm saying is that your red flags are valid but entirely superfluous to the thing as a whole.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.08.25 02:43:00 -
[46]
Edited by: KaarBaak on 25/08/2009 02:43:16
TIME: 2009.08.25 02:43:00
SUBJECT: Thread starts to deliver.
/me gets popcorn.
KB
Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:38:00 -
[47]
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I actually would prefer there would be no more investment, as I am not sure just how much more he can handle and may over stretch himself, if he hasn't already
This is why audits help.
They are ALL but the Total Solution but one of the many things they do, is to meausure the investees assets and capitals.
This is not to see if the guy has "collateral". That's a loser perspective too many in MD have.
Knowing how much the guy got helps gauging:
- wether the guy is accustomed handling the requested amounts or not.
- wether the guy can sustain the activity he claims. A guy with 100M a month of turnover is probably missing the supply chain / organization / structure to effectively use those 10B at full.
- wether the guy is going to overstretch himself and burn out or not.
These factors and not just the "collateral and exit strategy" is what should be number 1 in the investee evaluation.
The best way to prevent a default is not to breed the conditions to cause it.
The scam part? An audit can make it harder to do it, but a smart scammer can circumvent every check made.
So, the audit is more about a feasibility study than fraud prevention and default reimbursement.
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I must admit to a thrill akin to gambling when investing in these "risky" offerings, I hope you guys don't spoil it for us by getting your audit then as a result the General can reduce his interest payment to "your" low risk loan 5% per month "norm"
This is the old dilemma: bet everything on the quick running horse or diversify on many runts?
Investors tend to do the latter for what I have seen.
The quick running horse can fall and get irrimediably crippled, the many runts often manage to get back home.
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Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read
http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and
http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Empress Viele
Golden Goat Hedge Funds and Finance
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Posted - 2009.08.25 08:47:00 -
[48]
Even if an audit is done it doesn't necessarily mean the risk is low and thus he can get funds for 5% as a normal "loan". It does however prove/disprove his claims as to what his business is and stated assets and trades.
If you want to take me up on the offer General, please contact Rakessh in game.
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Rakessh
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.25 08:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Contralto
Edited by: Contralto on 24/08/2009 17:40:30
Haha! you guys are so annoyed at the General bypassing your carefully setup "rules" you are going to get your pound of flesh one way or another! like a pack of wolves circling the victim you keep darting in and nipping his ass :) trouble is there are enough of us "Friends and alts" to sustain his needs.
Then there is no reason to ask for public isk.
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I actually would prefer there would be no more investment, as I am not sure just how much more he can handle and may over stretch himself, if he hasn't already.
Good point, there should be an upper limit set at what he's comfortable with handling.
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I would welcome an audit and if successful would buy in for as much as the General can handle, but would insist on an upper limit to the bond, A warning though, if there is an acceptable audit I expect that current investors would fulfill any increases in the issue so don't expect a goldmine.
Also a good point. My offer for a "free" audit wasn't to make it public... It was for my own eyes mainly. I would have no interest in sharing the audit with anyone but myself. To maximize profits and investment oppotrunity for myself... I'm kind of an egoist like that. If he wants a public audit done he should pay it himself as it would be him that profits from that, not me. (More investors, less % interest)
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I must admit to a thrill akin to gambling when investing in these "risky" offerings, I hope you guys don't spoil it for us by getting your audit then as a result the General can reduce his interest payment to "your" low risk loan 5% per month "norm"
No. An audited bond/IPO does not automatically warrant a lower interest percentage. It depends more on what the business is, how it's going to be operated and other risk factors. A non audited bond/IPO should in reality never exist, but some investors have balls bigger than their brains ;)
If I'm selling my car to someone, I'd like the cash in my hand, not promises and claims that he has the cash in the bank and will wire it as soon as I sign over the car... But in Eve Online, anything flies ;)
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Valnurana
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:18:00 -
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Why a minimum investment of 500m ISK? That is denying a lot of small investors who could bring in the same amount. Certainly since this is a risky investment this throws up some extra warning signs. Care to elaborate?
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:21:00 -
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theres a few reasons why i operate minimums, the main one being that im not paying smaller amounts of interest out, the other is simple - its easy for most people to make 5 mill a week, so lets say mr x invested 100m in me....it wouldnt be worth it for him, just to make 5m a week
thats my opinion anyway
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YorikR32
Gallente
The Leather Knights
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:41:00 -
[52]
I'd like to give a different view point. For some it sure is easy to "make" 5 Million a week, but this is not making ISK, it is gaining return on ISK that is otherwise doing nothing. I get almost zero game time right now, so I am investing in many and varied secondary market opportunities. As such, I look for low and high yield investments to diversify, having such a minimum buy in cuts me out of the market as it would limit my diversification options.
I was very happy with the last investment that I had with you. This one is just too much ISK to put in one place for me right now, which is kind of disappointing as I did support you in your first Bond. But I know that my measily ISK amounts are likely to not attract your investment eye.
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Yorik
EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Camwor
Gallente
Intergalactic Industrial Board
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:50:00 -
[53]
Full investment + full interest paid back early.
Thank you very much.
Cheers
Camwor
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RageWreaker
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:23:00 -
[54]
just received my first weeks 5% a couple of days early. |
General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:26:00 -
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paying interest early this week due to it being a bank holiday!
i want to make sure i speak to investors - so if you see me, drop me a convo
Thanks
G
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:16:00 -
[56]
Received this weeks 150 mill interest 2 days early. Thanks General, keep up the good work.
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Tsang Chou
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:43:00 -
[57]
I'm in at 500m.
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Einear Lightfingers
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:44:00 -
[58]
Haven't received mine as of yet, but I'm sure it will be there by Sunday. (zero concern) Keep up the great work.
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Linia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:13:00 -
[59]
Does this mean your still open for investments?
I'd like to invest if so :)
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:39:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Einear Lightfingers
Haven't received mine as of yet, but I'm sure it will be there by Sunday. (zero concern) Keep up the great work.
General convoed me earlier today to say he is away for the long weekend so paying early this week, I understood that he wasn't at his main PC so didn't have a complete record of investors to hand. Perhaps he forgot your payment.
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