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General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:10:00 - [1] Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:18:57 Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:17:26 Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:16:56 Hi, Thanks for reading this thread, Feel free to convo me for more details Who am I and what do I do! I am General Newbold, I am mainly a industrial player, but about 3 weeks ago I was in the right place at the right time and things took off hugely for me! I have a contract to purchase a large (practially uncapped) amount of megacyte at a very low price, which i have a arranged sale price to sell to another corp for, I also sell excess on the market (although atm there isnt any), I have also upped this to buying from another source, hense me asking for reinvestment The hauling is taken care of by a 3rd party hauling corp, so i have no risk with transport as collateral is provided The sale price that i sell at is a fair one, and gives me a good profit margin to offer this bond. Why am I doing this Simple, At the moment i dont like all of my isk tied up in sales/buy orders or contracts. I like to have spare isk so i can play eve as i usually would. What Am i Looking for/Bond details Im looking for a group of investors to invest in this venture, The minimum investment is 500m with the total amount uncapped for the time being. This will payout as 5% weekly, with a 3 week cancellation policy from both parties, (during cancellation period interest will still be paid) All interest will be paid out on a Sunday unless i am away, and then it will be the following day. The interest is such because it is a slow earner for me, so the longer people stay in,. the more we all profit! Why Invest/Why trust me with your isk?? I have a previous bond with EXACTLY the same terms, which is posted here Feedback I had some people on a 3 week contract and some on a rolling contract, and i wanted to reopen the bond totally as a rolling contract, to make things easier for me, as i didnt want to miss a payout - this way its not possible for me to do so The trust issue is a large one for most people, but i have already got this bond up and running so there is current feedback, most of which were paid out early, also feel free to convo any of my investors Summary Uncapped investment amount (there is going to be a ceiling, but until I hit it it is unknown, as mining limits havent been hit yet) Minimum investment - 500m Interest - Weekly 5% Cancellation - 3 Week Notice period by either party, Interest will still be paid
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:11:00 - [2] Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:14:08 Current Investors Contralto 1 Billion isk Einear Lightfingers 1 Billion Isk Camwor 600m Waiting to convo Lucien Cade 4 Billion isk
Burend Thervertas	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:13:00 - [3] i'll have 500mil! last time bussines was good. Pay after DT. Burend
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:14:00 - [4] Put me down for an additional 2 Bill's worth.
Mike Clark Caldari The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:31:00 - [5] Edited by: Mike Clark on 23/08/2009 11:35:35 Ill invest 2B ISK please.
RageWreaker	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:32:00 - [6] I'm in for 2 bill.
Seraphim Tor	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:39:00 - [7] Put me down for 600 Mill .. will transfer isk after DT.
flakeys Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:47:00 - [8] Going towards 10 bille with no collateral and security or previous offers besides the one launched a few weeks back. Should i be impressed by the trust people place in you or that you are pulling this off?
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:51:00 - [9] High risk high return, whats the problem? others with fancy audits are offering 5% per month and could just as easily walk and have done in the past.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:02:00 - [10] 2 Bill transferred
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:06:00 - [11] Originally by: flakeys Going towards 10 bille with no collateral and security or previous offers besides the one launched a few weeks back. Should i be impressed by the trust people place in you or that you are pulling this off? Don't be impressed, its the same no names that invested in him the first time. This is an attempt to make himself look indemand. I mean really? 5% interest per week just so you can have spare isk? What a horrible buisiness plan. All this is so he can request more and more.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:09:00 - [12] Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 12:10:26 Feel free to speak to any previous investors, im sure they wont mind? I wanted a weekly payout rather than people on 3 week agreements, as i didnt want to miss a payout - this way it is far easier for me to manage both buy/sell orders - and payouts
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Saehta Originally by: flakeys Going towards 10 bille with no collateral and security or previous offers besides the one launched a few weeks back. Should i be impressed by the trust people place in you or that you are pulling this off? Don't be impressed, its the same no names that invested in him the first time. This is an attempt to make himself look indemand. I mean really? 5% interest per week just so you can have spare isk? What a horrible buisiness plan. All this is so he can request more and more. No Name Investor? Do I need to be "famous" in here to be credible? less elitism would improve the decor in here a lot.
Miyahon Gallente LEM0N	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:27:00 - [14] 500m sent as discussed in conversation. Just for others, I invested last time (with a different char) and all the money was repaid.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:43:00 - [15] Originally by: General Newbold Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 12:10:26 Feel free to speak to any previous investors, im sure they wont mind? I wanted a weekly payout rather than people on 3 week agreements, as i didnt want to miss a payout - this way it is far easier for me to manage both buy/sell orders - and payouts Again, the business model here is a very high interest rate to compensate no securities all so you can have extra isk to play the game while buy/sell orders go Comments were generalizing contra and meant more for the investors with a post history consisting entirely of G. New's first offer.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Contralto No Name Investor? Do I need to be "famous" in here to be credible? less elitism would improve the decor in here a lot. Without looking into who characters are in detail, a classic warning sign of an artificial build-up for scamming is to have a group of characters buy your initial offerings who don't normally post on MD (I don't recognize any investors here), with those people beings alts/friends. Not that this is the case here, but this is where the concern comes from. Very rarely does an offer from a newer business player fill so fast, and even more rarely does it not include at least one player who regularly posts and contributes to discussions here. Obviously you all could just be lurkers and/or people he knows, so it could fill this fast, fit the above profile, and also be completely legit. I don't read posts here like a hawk, so if an investor here does actually post a lot, whoops, sorry =)
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:53:00 - [17] Edited by: Lucien Cade on 23/08/2009 12:55:31 200M weekly payment recieved with thanks. I've had no problems at all so far. Stop flaming the poor guy, if you don't want to invest, your not being forced.
Lady Charnoob	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Without looking into who characters are in detail, a classic warning sign of an artificial build-up for scamming is to have a group of characters buy your initial offerings who don't normally post on MD (I don't recognize any investors here), with those people beings alts/friends. Not that this is the case here, but this is where the concern comes from. This.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:25:00 - [19] I am indeed new to investments and this forum but I have been playing since 2005 and have a history of mission running related posts. I target these high risk, offbeat investments because I just feel that 50 mill return on 1 bill(5%) for one month is not worth bothering with, I make over a Bill on a good weekend from my main occupation. I am dabbling in investments just to try something new, it certainly isn't a career move :) After this investment matures/ends I will probably fade back into the woodwork and just sit on my isk. Any investment here is a lottery, as many have found out, I don't bet what I can't afford to lose. General isn't here to build a reputation, he just has a business opportunity that requires funds. I have no idea who he is and have no interest.
Zyt	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:30:00 - [20] I'm interested in investing 200mil, please send me a mail in game.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Contralto No Name Investor? Do I need to be "famous" in here to be credible? less elitism would improve the decor in here a lot. Without looking into who characters are in detail, a classic warning sign of an artificial build-up for scamming is to have a group of characters buy your initial offerings who don't normally post on MD (I don't recognize any investors here), with those people beings alts/friends. Not that this is the case here, but this is where the concern comes from. Very rarely does an offer from a newer business player fill so fast, and even more rarely does it not include at least one player who regularly posts and contributes to discussions here. Obviously you all could just be lurkers and/or people he knows, so it could fill this fast, fit the above profile, and also be completely legit. I don't read posts here like a hawk, so if an investor here does actually post a lot, whoops, sorry =) The campaign to make auditors look like just an optional burden has been succesfull, from the unknowns to the most known ("laugh at audits"). So what do you expect now? People go by instinct and hope not to get fooled. This is how new big scams breed. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
RageWreaker	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:36:00 - [22] my 2bill transferred
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The campaign to make auditors look like just an optional burden has been succesfull, from the unknowns to the most known ("laugh at audits"). So what do you expect now? People go by instinct and hope not to get fooled. This is how new big scams breed. Not sure where this came from. Auditing didn't even exist until a year or two ago, and certainly wasn't prominent until recent memory. It's still among the first questions asked on every single offering on these forums. How again has auditing been made useless? People from the famous to the obscure have gotten funds publicly and privately without audits since the dawn of EVE. Nothing has changed here. The practice of auditing is probably at the end of its initial growing phase in EVE though, and now we're going to see slightly less pressure to do thorough audits as it's seen that it's not a catch-all solution. Optimally, auditing would stay common, and would continue to become better at what it does, if not more organized. That's where I'd like to see it go anyway.
Miyahon Gallente LEM0N	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:58:00 - [24] I'll admit I'm new to investing but have come into some ISK after selling one of my characters so may aswell let it do something useful for the time being. I don't post on the forums really except in the sell/wanted areas.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:55:00 - [25] thanks for the support, to the doubters, try having a little faith, not everyone is a conman
Mikael Genexi	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:03:00 - [26] Why did I invest in the initial offering even though there was little info provided? I talked to General Newbold live ingame. He explained the details which seemed like they had a strong likelihood that they were legit. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile to get the better ROI. The amount I invested was an amount I could afford to lose easily (200M) while I made sure things were legit. The returns were good (5% a week). Am I reinvesting right now? No because I have a couple of other deals (off MD) on the go. Would I reinvest again? Most likely. Who the hell am I? In terms of the MD, nobody. But you will see my name as investment opportunities pop up. I've got ISK to burn and like the idea of other people making me money. Looking forward to the Eve-Trade, ECR merger which will make investing even easier.
Miyahon Gallente LEM0N	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:13:00 - [27] Additional 500m sent to General Newbold. Thanks
Yin Xue	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Miyahon Additional 500m sent to General Newbold. Thanks Strange that so many of these lurkers have come out of the woodwork at the same time, and that they dont seem to want to invest in anyother offerings... But thats no doubt because of the great ROI
flakeys Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Yin Xue Originally by: Miyahon Additional 500m sent to General Newbold. Thanks Strange that so many of these lurkers have come out of the woodwork at the same time, and that they dont seem to want to invest in anyother offerings... But thats no doubt because of the great ROI Hahaha , now i have shown my concerns about these investments above HOWEVER a char who only has 2 posts so far telling that investors with only a few posts are fake does not convince anyone now does it.
Yin Xue	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:59:00 - [30] Originally by: flakeys Hahaha , now i have shown my concerns about these investments above HOWEVER a char who only has 2 posts so far telling that investors with only a few posts are fake does not convince anyone now does it. Wait.. what? You do realise that im not asking for money here :S So the fact i am a faceless alt who shouldnt be trusted doesnt really diminish the fact that all his investors are as well. Unless... If all it takes to prove someone is trustworthy is to rubish them with an alt, i will soon be running my own very successful ponzi scheme. Thanks for the tip
flakeys Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Yin Xue Originally by: flakeys Hahaha , now i have shown my concerns about these investments above HOWEVER a char who only has 2 posts so far telling that investors with only a few posts are fake does not convince anyone now does it. Wait.. what? You do realise that im not asking for money here :S So the fact i am a faceless alt who shouldnt be trusted doesnt really diminish the fact that all his investors are as well. Unless... If all it takes to prove someone is trustworthy is to rubish them with an alt, i will soon be running my own very successful ponzi scheme. Thanks for the tip Again i have stated my issues here however you are saying: It is really a coincidence people's first or tenth post happends to be one where they invest in this , then i in my turn find it funny that your second post is about how trustworthy/reall people can be who have only posted a few times. Again i am not talking about wether or not i find the OP trustworthy , i am talking about you posting for a second time in your eve carreer about how people who post for the second time in their eve carreer can't be posting about investments now can they.
Nif Makria Caldari Eve Engineering Finance	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:13:00 - [32] 500m invested
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:14:00 - [33] I would just like to point out that the arguement that flakey is having isnt about my char!
Yin Xue	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:43:00 - [34] Originally by: flakeys Again i have stated my issues here however you are saying: It is really a coincidence people's first or tenth post happends to be one where they invest in this , then i in my turn find it funny that your second post is about how trustworthy/reall people can be who have only posted a few times. Again i am not talking about wether or not i find the OP trustworthy , i am talking about you posting for a second time in your eve carreer about how people who post for the second time in their eve carreer can't be posting about investments now can they. Ahhh i see. Sorry, but when i see several characters come to MD claiming to be mains but having no posting history, i dont see coincidence. And im not posting for the second time in my eve career, im posting for the second time on this character, which was created for this purpose, and will be recycled once its no longer any use to me. Eve's metagame extends to fabricating identities, and there are safeguards other then blind faith to access people.
Kravotir APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.08.24 01:05:00 - [35] Interested in investing - please mail/convo me.
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.08.24 04:26:00 - [36] I wouldn't same I', new to investing... I have over 10,000 shares of Block Mineral Reserve and 20 shares of EVE Wealth Management. That's about 1.2 Billion plus in stock alone. I will admit that even with an Audit that DBank failed with a lot of my isk, but am hoping that their return will see a lot of the money back. I post rarely, and do not consider myself as part of the MD regular. For the thousands of posts weekly on MD Forum most are flames. This thread has plenty of that... Thank you and if your not interested in investing shove off, find another thread to flame.
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.08.24 07:52:00 - [37] Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:53:40 Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:52:51 red flag: no audit red flag: "explained everything in-game" red flag: possible alts/friends trying to create interest ala "quickly invest before all shares are taken" _________________ Originally by: CCP Pann I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas. http://20thlegion.net
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.24 09:41:00 - [38] Ok, Audits - in my opinion there just a phase, but im not getting into this here. "explained in game" - that was in the first thread - now its all explained here Alts/friends........errrr no, not spoke to any of them before - i cant prove this i know as people will just flame. If you want to invest please post - if you want to flame, please convo me - as your cluttering my thread up
Empress Viele Golden Goat Hedge Funds and Finance	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:15:00 - [39] I'd be interested in investing 2 bn isk. But... I'll need full api keys, or them handed over to a third party to conduct an audit. I will personally cover the cost of this. K, thanks.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:02:00 - [40] Ohai. I'm here for the BBQ; I brought flames!
Dzil Caldari Halo Industries	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:20:00 - [41] Originally by: General Newbold Ok, Audits - in my opinion there just a phase, but im not getting into this here. "explained in game" - that was in the first thread - now its all explained here Alts/friends........errrr no, not spoke to any of them before - i cant prove this i know as people will just flame. If you want to invest please post - if you want to flame, please convo me - as your cluttering my thread up There is no denying an audit would do a lot to dispel the perception that the pool of "investors" with no MD history that have cropped up from no where to support this "investment opportunity" are in fact not your friends, alts, etc. You ask others to have faith in your investment, others ask you to have faith in an auditor to give your logs a quick lookover and remove suspicions. You even have an investor willing to foot the bill, not taking this free opportunity to improve your investment and potential candidate pool only deepens my doubts in your good intentions. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.24 17:31:00 - [42] Haha! you guys are so annoyed at the General bypassing the carefully setup "rules" you are going to get your pound of flesh one way or another! like a pack of wolves circling the victim you keep darting in and nipping his ass :) trouble is there are enough of us "Friends and alts" to sustain his needs. I actually would prefer there would be no more investment, as I am not sure just how much more he can handle and may over stretch himself. I would welcome an audit and if successful would buy in for as much as the General can handle, but would insist on an upper limit to the bond, I must admit to a thrill akin to gambling when investing in these "risky" offerings.
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.08.24 17:44:00 - [43] (Non Alt) I received my first payment of 50 million for 1 week of investment of 1 billion. The General was so kind as to add a little extra cause he had not spoken to me previously about the change in the manner of the thread/investment criteria (i.e rolling investment with 5% weekly.) I wasn't concerned as I had already requested a rolling investment. Keep up the great work General and don't let the flamers burn you.
Varnik	Posted - 2009.08.25 00:32:00 - [44] Would like to purcase 1 bond if the offer is still open?
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.08.25 00:56:00 - [45] Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:53:40 Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 07:52:51 red flag: no audit red flag: "explained everything in-game" red flag: possible alts/friends trying to create interest ala "quickly invest before all shares are taken" Personally I just find the thread plain old creepy. It's like some homeless guy with no personal hygiene to speak of, selling loli-pops to little kids out of a broken shopping cart. What I'm saying is that your red flags are valid but entirely superfluous to the thing as a whole. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.08.25 02:43:00 - [46] Edited by: KaarBaak on 25/08/2009 02:43:16 TIME: 2009.08.25 02:43:00 SUBJECT: Thread starts to deliver. /me gets popcorn. KB Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.08.25 07:38:00 - [47] Quote: I actually would prefer there would be no more investment, as I am not sure just how much more he can handle and may over stretch himself, if he hasn't already This is why audits help. They are ALL but the Total Solution but one of the many things they do, is to meausure the investees assets and capitals. This is not to see if the guy has "collateral". That's a loser perspective too many in MD have. Knowing how much the guy got helps gauging: - wether the guy is accustomed handling the requested amounts or not. - wether the guy can sustain the activity he claims. A guy with 100M a month of turnover is probably missing the supply chain / organization / structure to effectively use those 10B at full. - wether the guy is going to overstretch himself and burn out or not. These factors and not just the "collateral and exit strategy" is what should be number 1 in the investee evaluation. The best way to prevent a default is not to breed the conditions to cause it. The scam part? An audit can make it harder to do it, but a smart scammer can circumvent every check made. So, the audit is more about a feasibility study than fraud prevention and default reimbursement. Quote: I must admit to a thrill akin to gambling when investing in these "risky" offerings, I hope you guys don't spoil it for us by getting your audit then as a result the General can reduce his interest payment to "your" low risk loan 5% per month "norm" This is the old dilemma: bet everything on the quick running horse or diversify on many runts? Investors tend to do the latter for what I have seen. The quick running horse can fall and get irrimediably crippled, the many runts often manage to get back home. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Empress Viele Golden Goat Hedge Funds and Finance	Posted - 2009.08.25 08:47:00 - [48] Even if an audit is done it doesn't necessarily mean the risk is low and thus he can get funds for 5% as a normal "loan". It does however prove/disprove his claims as to what his business is and stated assets and trades. If you want to take me up on the offer General, please contact Rakessh in game.
Rakessh Arachnea Phoenix Battalion Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.08.25 08:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Contralto Edited by: Contralto on 24/08/2009 17:40:30 Haha! you guys are so annoyed at the General bypassing your carefully setup "rules" you are going to get your pound of flesh one way or another! like a pack of wolves circling the victim you keep darting in and nipping his ass :) trouble is there are enough of us "Friends and alts" to sustain his needs. Then there is no reason to ask for public isk. Quote: I actually would prefer there would be no more investment, as I am not sure just how much more he can handle and may over stretch himself, if he hasn't already. Good point, there should be an upper limit set at what he's comfortable with handling. Quote: I would welcome an audit and if successful would buy in for as much as the General can handle, but would insist on an upper limit to the bond, A warning though, if there is an acceptable audit I expect that current investors would fulfill any increases in the issue so don't expect a goldmine. Also a good point. My offer for a "free" audit wasn't to make it public... It was for my own eyes mainly. I would have no interest in sharing the audit with anyone but myself. To maximize profits and investment oppotrunity for myself... I'm kind of an egoist like that. If he wants a public audit done he should pay it himself as it would be him that profits from that, not me. (More investors, less % interest) Quote: I must admit to a thrill akin to gambling when investing in these "risky" offerings, I hope you guys don't spoil it for us by getting your audit then as a result the General can reduce his interest payment to "your" low risk loan 5% per month "norm" No. An audited bond/IPO does not automatically warrant a lower interest percentage. It depends more on what the business is, how it's going to be operated and other risk factors. A non audited bond/IPO should in reality never exist, but some investors have balls bigger than their brains ;) If I'm selling my car to someone, I'd like the cash in my hand, not promises and claims that he has the cash in the bank and will wire it as soon as I sign over the car... But in Eve Online, anything flies ;) CEO Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Valnurana Preta Light Industries	Posted - 2009.08.25 14:18:00 - [50] Why a minimum investment of 500m ISK? That is denying a lot of small investors who could bring in the same amount. Certainly since this is a risky investment this throws up some extra warning signs. Care to elaborate?
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.25 15:21:00 - [51] theres a few reasons why i operate minimums, the main one being that im not paying smaller amounts of interest out, the other is simple - its easy for most people to make 5 mill a week, so lets say mr x invested 100m in me....it wouldnt be worth it for him, just to make 5m a week thats my opinion anyway
YorikR32 Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.08.25 15:41:00 - [52] I'd like to give a different view point. For some it sure is easy to "make" 5 Million a week, but this is not making ISK, it is gaining return on ISK that is otherwise doing nothing. I get almost zero game time right now, so I am investing in many and varied secondary market opportunities. As such, I look for low and high yield investments to diversify, having such a minimum buy in cuts me out of the market as it would limit my diversification options. I was very happy with the last investment that I had with you. This one is just too much ISK to put in one place for me right now, which is kind of disappointing as I did support you in your first Bond. But I know that my measily ISK amounts are likely to not attract your investment eye. [Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real.
Camwor Gallente Intergalactic Industrial Board	Posted - 2009.08.25 16:50:00 - [53] Full investment + full interest paid back early. Thank you very much. Cheers Camwor
RageWreaker	Posted - 2009.08.28 18:23:00 - [54] just received my first weeks 5% a couple of days early.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.28 18:26:00 - [55] paying interest early this week due to it being a bank holiday! i want to make sure i speak to investors - so if you see me, drop me a convo Thanks G
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.28 19:16:00 - [56] Received this weeks 150 mill interest 2 days early. Thanks General, keep up the good work.
Tsang Chou	Posted - 2009.08.28 19:43:00 - [57] I'm in at 500m.
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.08.28 19:44:00 - [58] Haven't received mine as of yet, but I'm sure it will be there by Sunday. (zero concern) Keep up the great work.
Linia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.08.28 22:13:00 - [59] Does this mean your still open for investments? I'd like to invest if so :)
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.28 22:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers Haven't received mine as of yet, but I'm sure it will be there by Sunday. (zero concern) Keep up the great work. General convoed me earlier today to say he is away for the long weekend so paying early this week, I understood that he wasn't at his main PC so didn't have a complete record of investors to hand. Perhaps he forgot your payment.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.28 23:13:00 - [61] If you havent been paid (mr lightfingers) its purely because i havent seen you online if the worse comes to the worse i will mail you tomorrow night basically i know im away sunday - and ive been paying out as people have been coming online as for potential investors - mail me Cheers G
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.08.29 00:29:00 - [62] General, I'm not in the slightest concerned. RL items have had me away for the last few weeks with minimal EVE time. I have had and continue to have faith in your plan. Please do not take my previous post as any slight towards you or your operation. Even if it takes you until next week after your return to make payment that will be fine. Thank you again and keep up the great work.
Varnik	Posted - 2009.08.29 00:45:00 - [63] Payment received, thanks. In fact it maybe too much! Have mailed you about it.
Burend Thervertas	Posted - 2009.08.29 11:45:00 - [64] Recieved interest a day early. Thnx. Burend
Koerner	Posted - 2009.08.29 11:47:00 - [65] This really is starting to sound goofy. "Whoops! General, I think you paid me too much!" "General, I have complete and total faith in you!" Authentic or not, this is just all starting to sound too much like a cheesy infomercial pitch. When do the scantily clad hot girls start talking with each other about how General has more stamina in bed than ever before since he started taking Extenz?
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.08.29 13:15:00 - [66] This whole thing sounds about as scammy as it gets. It starts with the airy fairy (non existant)business plan and then kinda goes downhill from there. If people invest in this then it's no wonder Ebank persuaded people to part with 2 trillion isk. I hope I'm wrong but I really do fear for the investors' isk here
Linia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.08.29 13:17:00 - [67] Invested a billion. Isk sent and talked with ya
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.08.29 14:00:00 - [68] Payment recieved on time and in full. All good.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.08.29 15:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Roguehalo This whole thing sounds about as scammy as it gets. It starts with the airy fairy (non existant)business plan and then kinda goes downhill from there. If people invest in this then it's no wonder Ebank persuaded people to part with 2 trillion isk. I hope I'm wrong but I really do fear for the investors' isk here You also took shortcuts in your investments though and people still invest in them. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
ArtemisSDS	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:48:00 - [70] 500mil invested
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:56:00 - [71] Small change of plan - i will be around tomorrow - so if i havent convoed you by DT tomorrow i will make interest payments then, along with a eve mail I prefer to pay when people are online - hense some people being paid early (plus i was due to be away tomorrow)
Fresh Prince For us all	Posted - 2009.08.30 09:24:00 - [72] 500m invested... sent ISK and mail
Miyahon Gallente LEM0N	Posted - 2009.08.30 10:58:00 - [73] 50m interest paid. Cheers General Newbold :)
Seraphim Tor	Posted - 2009.08.30 12:18:00 - [74] posting to confirm receipt of interest. Many thanks
Tsang Chou	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:10:00 - [75] ISK sent, mail also delivered. Thanks!
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.01 03:45:00 - [76] Weekly interest received on Sunday as expected. The General is good to his word. Thanks and keep up that great work.
species2143	Posted - 2009.09.01 10:35:00 - [77] Really should convert the "send me ISK, and I'll send double back" into a bond, oh wait that's what EBANK is doing without interest... Oh well, guess this is the second best option then.
Esus Ionhar The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.01 18:07:00 - [78] Not a regular MD poster but saw this earlier and could only post now, This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Bond is now up to 16.1 billion based on the 2nd post, ie: a payout of 805 million per week with a business model that is practically non-existant apart from mentioning Megacyte dealing. (Although based on the eve search performed they've been involved in rigs as well). Did some very quick background checking on Eve search. Because surely thats common sense right? http://eve-search.com/thread/1067576/page/1 Favourtie quotes are: Quote: i dont scam, i cant be arsed, i would love to scam, but it does seem too much effort! Quote: send me some scamming tips! i havent even seen a billion and i need it in my life! Quote: also the 1 thing i have forgot to mention is this, and a answer would be fab! lets say i did the 1mill as 999,999,999 trick! (not sure if there should be 1 less 0) how many people with that much isk are there.........as surely most people wouldnt have the isk to do the transaction......and the people with this isk, surely cant fall for it........do they! Admittedly this was back in May, but it doesn't fill you with confidence.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:21:00 - [79] esus, amusing post - but if you follow your own link you will see the entire thread is tongue in cheek - also in may i was skint, i did tell my investors that the reason for investing is so i can free up my isk,which has grown over the last few months Also reguarding the 999,999,999 scam - the reason i said that was some of the items for a mill (read billion isk) scam were stuff like typical newbie items, and i still cant believe that people do fall for this - surely its not possible?
Nif Makria Caldari Eve Engineering Finance	Posted - 2009.09.05 09:19:00 - [80] sorry im aq week late in posting.. im on holiday :) but I just checked my account with outofeve.com and last sunday there was the expected isk payment to my account from my 500m investment. thanks looking forward to this Sundays payment too. Nif
Tekota legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.09.05 11:11:00 - [81] Ok, time to put "i R internetz spaceship detective" hat on. Straight up question: Is General Salvage an alt of General Newbold? I haven't found the killer evidence yet but I believe it's out there. Evidence thus far: Both fly a Maelstrom (hardly compelling I know, tho both use 1400mms): http://eve-search.com/thread/1152605/page/1#1 and http://eve-search.com/thread/1028480/page/1#1 Both want to buy a Machriel in the same week: http://eve-search.com/thread/1160695/page/1#1 and http://eve-search.com/thread/1152507/page/1#1 Both interested in using or have used the buddy program to get an alt and extend a main's time: http://eve-search.com/thread/1066856/page/1#1 and http://eve-search.com/thread/1132999/page/1#1 Both crashed on the same day whilst both were buying rig BPOs: http://eve-search.com/thread/1154864/page/2#37 and http://eve-search.com/thread/1154905/page/1#5 They bump eachother's threads: http://eve-search.com/thread/1132999/page/1#7 Both were interested in specifically the real money value of Ricdic's scam at the same time: http://eve-search.com/thread/1094517/page/11#313 and http://eve-search.com/thread/1094517/page/11#304 Now all this is circumstantial I know, but it's a lot of circumstantial, and there's definitely more going through the posting histories of both chars there's a hell of a lot of overlap. Now, assuming I'm correct, why would this be a bad thing? Well, General Salvage is quite open about his thieving: I want to steal POS towers: http://eve-search.com/thread/1074019/page/1#3 Did a runner with corp items: http://eve-search.com/thread/1152605/page/1#8 Um, oops, can the CEO see inside my hanger?: http://eve-search.com/thread/1074793/page/1#1
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.05 12:35:00 - [82] A simple audit could confirm that all the suspected alts have actually sent isk.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.05 21:01:00 - [83] This thread gets more and more interesting, nice detective work Tekota. Looks pretty convincing evidence. Wouldn't surprise me if this is a SCAM, as you would have to be nuts to invest in this. The investor names look very wierd too. What I find very interesting in this thread is the name of a new investor: LINIA for 1B ISK This is the same Linia who ran "Linia Corp", "Lazy Whale Holdings" and "Lazy Whale Bond" all of which failed miserably. Linia tried to raise money to pay off her business failures and after doing so disappeared circa April 2009 with investor funds. Linia is a known MD SCAMMER. I would love to understand the General's dealings with Linia or Linia's actual status after scamming MD for multiple billions, or are Linia and the General related???
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.06 07:22:00 - [84] Well we should know today (Sunday) if this is a scam, interest payment is due today and there have been no new investors this week so no point in reducing the prize by paying out almost 1 Billion to investors. If most of the investors are alts and friends of the General then I am the main "victim" as I am certainly neither of the above! My isk is very real. Someone mentioned "Linia". She convoed me to ask my thoughts on the investment, intending to dump 7 billion in, I advised starting small and building up, she invested the 1 Billion shortly after. I cant see why she would have contacted me if somehow connected to the General. "Oh what a tangled web we weave"
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.09.06 10:03:00 - [85] Originally by: Contralto Well we should know today (Sunday) if this is a scam, interest payment is due today and there have been no new investors this week so no point in reducing the prize by paying out almost 1 Billion to investors. If most of the investors are alts and friends of the General then I am the main "victim" as I am certainly neither of the above! My isk is very real. Someone mentioned "Linia". She convoed me to ask my thoughts on the investment, intending to dump 7 billion in, I advised starting small and building up, she invested the 1 Billion shortly after. I cant see why she would have contacted me if somehow connected to the General. "Oh what a tangled web we weave" Linias approach and mention of '7b' was an attempt to persuade you to up your investment by creating some kind of 'feeding frenzy' It seems that unfortunately you are the chief 'mark' in all of this. I do hope you get your capital repaid but as I said in a earlier post I do fear the worst
Linia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.06 11:02:00 - [86] My investment is very real, I do not know this guy and I would like my isk back too if its a scam you know. Even a "scammer" as you call me, can invest and get burned too you know
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.06 11:14:00 - [87] Well! a few minutes before DT general convoed me and transferred this weeks sum of 150 mill. he told me a few "home truths" and I am now more at ease. I cant see why he would extend this investment, paying out billions in Interest with no active push for more funds. I haven't increased my investment as it would look like I was part of a scam and to be honest I was getting cold feet following all the research findings done. I am trying to persuade the General to close the issue to further investment, that would mean making further interest payments meaningless if it were a scam. he has over 16 billion of our isk atm, surely he would have run with it by now if that were his goal? As I said, following a 5 minute chat I am a lot more at ease but would still like to see the bond closed to new investment.
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.09.06 11:43:00 - [88] Your all mental. Detective work? Looks like you guys have a very big case of the X-Files / Too much time on your hands. Anyway, this weeks payout has been recieved, yet again, on time and in full, no problems. If general is an alt, then so long as he's paying out, doing what he says, and playing by the rules set out, then i see no problem at all. I myself am a new character, but I have 2 very old characters I don't play anymore. Hence me being able to invest like i have. I returned to eve after a 2 year break, and i came back with friends. So i've decided to reroll amarr and am thouroughly enjoying it. The names here and people's situations are their own business, and frankly, i think everyone involved so far is quite happy. Please keep your rumour mongering and opinions of scams to yourselves unless you are an investor and have had some sort of problem. I've spoken to others invested too, and not one person has a complaint. Who general is, if he's an alt, or indeed a cat playing eve via a remote control mind unit is entirely nothing to do with this thread unless there's a problem, and afaik there is'nt a single one. Good work General, keep it up.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.06 11:56:00 - [89] I would like to take this time to point out that i am certainly not a cat playing eve via mind control, I would also like to say the eve server hasnt came online early today, so the rest of the payouts will be made in around 4 hrs as im off to the cinema.
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.09.06 12:25:00 - [90] I knew it, surely if your not a cat, then your a dog, and we all know dog's are evil.... A scam i say, it must be a scam... Burn him !!! Anyhow, 3 weeks from about 3 days ago, and i get my investment back. We shall see if at that point things go wrong. Based on what i've seen so far, im still perfectly happy. I shall also add that i'm not pulling out my isk because im concerned, im sorting out a few things for our new corp. We need some fancy ships buying and some pos's putting up. Then when our own investment kicks off I shall be seeing if general is still in business and probably reinvesting if he's still open for it.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.06 14:29:00 - [91] Originally by: Linia My investment is very real, I do not know this guy and I would like my isk back too if its a scam you know. Even a "scammer" as you call me, can invest and get burned too you know Now that your back does this mean you intend to pay off your previous investors in Lazy Whale and your final bond?
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.09.06 15:28:00 - [92] Edited by: SetrakDark on 06/09/2009 15:27:50 all of the positive responses are so hokey i hope no actual person has sent any isk
Miyahon Gallente LEM0N	Posted - 2009.09.06 16:31:00 - [93] Interest payment received.
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.06 16:46:00 - [94] Edited by: ingenting on 06/09/2009 16:46:14 Originally by: Contralto he told me a few "home truths" and I am now more at ease. nice timing after that thread about the guy that only invests if he knows where people live etc. Originally by: Contralto I cant see why he would extend this investment, paying out billions in Interest with no active push for more funds. he doesnt pay out billions in interest, be cause they are all his alts/friends... and a simple audit could confirm that
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.06 17:07:00 - [95] 3 weeks 3 interest payments. Great work, always on time.
Fresh Prince For us all	Posted - 2009.09.06 17:29:00 - [96] ola, My interest payment received. Thanks!
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.06 17:43:00 - [97] Edited by: ingenting on 06/09/2009 17:44:32 private convo i dont see why you refuse an audit if you can give me your api edit: link broken... hold on
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.06 17:59:00 - [98] Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 06/09/2009 17:46:53 Edited by: ingenting on 06/09/2009 17:44:32 private convo i dont see why you refuse an audit if you can give me your api edit: link broken... hold on edit: fix'd You know something - this is why i dont like trusting auditors you convo someone being as nice as possible - and as a result he makes your api publc
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:13:00 - [99] Originally by: General Newbold Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 06/09/2009 17:46:53 Edited by: ingenting on 06/09/2009 17:44:32 private convo i dont see why you refuse an audit if you can give me your api edit: link broken... hold on edit: fix'd You know something - this is why i dont like trusting auditors you convo someone being as nice as possible - and as a result he makes your api publc What a ****. I'm sure you have already, but changeyour API key before anyone peeks into your business operations --- I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :(
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:16:00 - [100] Problem is you chose to trust an obvious troll, once pressed he showed he is the one that can't be trusted. I think you come out on top of that little conversation, General 1 Trolls 0. I hope you changed your Api quickly, I'm not sure but is it even allowed to reveal a full api without the account owners permission? I think Ingenting should be ashamed of himself.
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:26:00 - [101] Originally by: Contralto obvious troll you obviously doesnt know what a troll is Originally by: Contralto is it even allowed to reveal a full api without the account owners permission? I gave someone my API key and now I want them to stop using it! If you believe that someone is misusing your API key, you can create a new one with the buttons Originally by: Contralto I think Ingenting should be ashamed of himself. and i think this is a blatant scam, and will do so until it is proven otherwise by a audit by a known MD regular. and at least i didnt post his alts name, tho i can do that too if you wish?
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:38:00 - [102] Rofl. I love how all the "investors" are just hanging around ready to jump to the OP's defence within minutes of an accusation of fraud or a voicing of doubt. This scam is farcically transparent.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:59:00 - [103] Originally by: SetrakDark Rofl. I love how all the "investors" are just hanging around ready to jump to the OP's defence within minutes of an accusation of fraud or a voicing of doubt. This scam is farcically transparent. And conversely isn't it strange how his critics are hanging around to jump to the attack when someone defends him I have business in this thread, what is your reason to be posting here?, are you a potential investor? are you here to add something or just troll like Ingenting, and I fully understand the meaning of troll in this context! FFS go about your own business and leave us in peace, its my 3 billion at stake here not yours!! remember that. You have all made your point pages ago, If its a scam so be it, its too late for those of us in it. Motto "Dont invest more than you can afford to lose" I havnt and I'm confident that I wont.
RageWreaker	Posted - 2009.09.06 19:02:00 - [104] received interest for this week. I'm sure I'm one of the alts half of you are complaining about being 'in on it' with General Newbold. If it makes any difference, you may convo me/send message, but I suspect none of you will. Afterall, even if I'm genuine, it's still a scam, right? After this is over, you may bring your smug.jpg if you're right. However, if you're not, well, what do I care? I've been making 5% weekly :p
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.09.06 19:07:00 - [105] So now he's got you in for 3b Take a bit of friendly advice m8 and ask for your 3b back. Maybe with all eyes on him he might even give it you just to prove I'm an 'idiot' and don't have a clue what I'm talking about. If that proves to be the case I'll be very happy to be an 'idiot' on this occasion.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.06 19:49:00 - [106] No! I am in it for the long haul, I have weighed up all the negative posts and my conversation with General and have decided to stick it out, Any investment in Eve is a considerable risk as has been proved by the loss of Trillions spread amongst many regulars in here. Why risk your billions to supposedly upright Md regulars with bone fide audits for a meager 1.5 to 3% per month when juicier and just as risky investments are offered? If the banks hadn't failed one after the other, you could justifiably warn us off from the likes of the General. In fact I remember your own offering being trolled somewhat Rogue. I have to repeat I can afford to lose my investment, if I couldn't I would not have opted in. If I do lose I will be mighty disappointed, but I wont rage quit, I see this as a form of Carebear PVP, some pilots lose 100 bill's worth of Titan then jump back in and lose another (no names mentioned) My 3 bill is chicken feed. The Generals thread has been thoroughly soaked in warnings to potential investors, so much so that I doubt any one else will invest, those of us already invested will either receive our isk back or won't, Spamming the thread with conspiracy theories is just pointless. I have so far received 350 mill in interest that's 1 x 50 mill for my initial investment and a further 300 mill for the full 3 bill over 2 weeks. At what point do you think The General should stop eating into his supposed ill gotten gains and cut and run? his 16 bill is getting reduced by chunks every week and if they are mostly alts its even less of a money maker for him. lets just sit on it and wait for the outcome! It certainly spices up my Sundays waiting for my 150 mill to drop on the mat. I have made another 4 bill from my missioning in the 3 weeks since this started. Me worried! Nah!
Burend Thervertas	Posted - 2009.09.06 20:10:00 - [107] Weekly Interest has been paid. Burend
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.06 20:27:00 - [108] Contralto I couldn't say it any better myself. I have made my money, invested in banks (all for loses), if I decide to take a risk with an upstart so be it. You all have trolled enough. Put your money where your mouth is. Create an opportunity for us to invest in and make 5% interest weekly otherwise shove off and go back to your supposed MD elite. No one wants you here. We are happy to take our risks. (ours, not yours) If you want my money you will need to meet or beat the General's offering. So again shove off. Here's a flash word from the past poser. (The act of wanting to be, but in the end only an act.)
ArtemisSDS	Posted - 2009.09.06 20:45:00 - [109] Received my interest payment on time just as we agreed!!! Guys, taking risks is an essential part of this game...If you are afraid of taking risks then go play stock market simulator.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.06 21:05:00 - [110] right, im hoping he doesnt resent me for posting this, but im doing it as i wanted to do this tonight, so i guess you lot can all fight over if this mail is genuine or not Earlier tonight I convoed a character by the name of kazui ishiguro, who you may or may not have heard of, I have gave him my full api, and I had to go out, i was hoping when i got back for him to be able to post his findings on here, (as i asked him to speak to me first) instead when i got home i recieved the following eve mail 2009.09.06 20:15 I've looked over your journal entries and you appear to have been making payments on your bond, as you claim. Please let me know if there are any specific details you want me to confirm when I make a post about it. I'm going to be away from eve for up to 3 days. When I get back I'll give this my full attention. Regards, K
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.06 21:16:00 - [111] Hehe! Hey General you do know that now you are on the brink of being "legit" you can reduce your interest rate to medium risk rates for any new investors lets say 5% per month! yes that sounds more what your detractors are used to. Ofc your loyal supporters deserve a "loyalty" bonus. Once you are exonerated I would like to head the queue for further investment Of course some may want an audit of the auditor in case he is one of your dozens of alts I love this thread! it delivers
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.06 22:04:00 - [112] Quote: You know something - this is why i dont like trusting auditors There's a list of auditors and they tend not to divulge any personal information. Don't confuse trolls and detractors with the others who are not. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Stela'Artois Capital Ventures Incorporated	Posted - 2009.09.07 01:07:00 - [113] Contralto...I demand an audit on your mission running. If you pledge money to me to support my business in the form of a credit line I need to make sure you can deliver...so until further notice, I declare shenanigans upon you until a full audit of your facilities has been completed.
Steel Wraith	Posted - 2009.09.07 03:55:00 - [114] Three things: 1. Why do you all keep referring to him as "The General?" 2. I don't know why you guys seem to think "but he's paid interest on time" as some kind of irrefutable proof of legitimacy. If it's a scam guess where that interest payment is coming from? 3. As far as being able to set a low "normal" interest payment at monthly increments due to an audit: That's not how this works. As far as making isk goes there is no reason not to set the interest rate as low as possible for the amount you need to borrow. He does 5% / week because apparently that gets him 16B isk worth of investments. An audit just makes people more willing to invest at any given rate. Wouldn't touch this with a 6' pole but good luck to those who are all over it already. IMHO I'm just waiting to see if it's a medium or a long con.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.07 04:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Stela'Artois Contralto...I demand an audit on your mission running. If you pledge money to me to support my business in the form of a credit line I need to make sure you can deliver...so until further notice, I declare shenanigans upon you until a full audit of your facilities has been completed. Hi Stela See you found our fun thread! I agree to a full audit so long as you pay for the service and agree not to reveal all my dark secrets. Do you need all four of my account details or just this one? Should I reveal the huge interest rate you are dumping on me every week despite my protests? Im lucky you didn't take 3 bill from me like The General sorry cant call him that, General Newbold. see you in court C'
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:25:00 - [116] Never seen so many investors write in an IPO thread backing the OP with positives, attacking doubters and generally talking up what a great deal the business is in ALL the time I have followed these forums (3 years).
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:33:00 - [117] were all alts! what do you expect
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:05:00 - [118] General Newbold, what is your 'very specific reason' for posting what you did with your alt, as you alluded to in your convo with ingenting? Alt-posting in your own investment thread sounds a bit sketchy, but I'd be interested to read your explanation. á á
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:13:00 - [119] Edited by: General Newbold on 07/09/2009 10:14:07 i havent used a alt to post here, you misunderstood thats all, also all my corp mates call me the general, i dont know why
Varnik	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:52:00 - [120] Received my interest for this week. Thanks
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.07 12:06:00 - [121] Originally by: Contralto what is your reason to be posting here?, are you a potential investor? We all are, actually. Originally by: Contralto And conversely isn't it strange how his critics are hanging around to jump to the attack when someone defends him ... are you here to add something or just troll like Ingenting Isnt strange how everyone that doubt this gets called a troll?
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:43:00 - [122] Originally by: General Newbold i havent used a alt to post here, you misunderstood thats all, also all my corp mates call me the general, i dont know why I realize that I don't understand. My lack of understanding is the very reason that I asked for an explanation. This just looks a bit suspicious, is all: 'please dont mention my alt - i have a very specific reason for posting what i did with him'. á á
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.07 15:26:00 - [123] Sorry if I come across a bit critical, I just feel that this is a sell thread just the same as if it were a Carrier or a service. People repeatedly voicing there own personal fears and opinions have no place here, The few that have come in and provided information that they have researched are welcome, be it negative or positive, but the others that just make comments are trolling and adding nothing but there own personal opinions which are irrelevant. If you want to discuss what we call the General, his skills at creating a sales thread or anything else that offends you, take it elsewhere. As repeated many times we all know what the MD regulars think of this issue, does it need beating to death every day. It seems everyone wants to come in and say "Ooh I don't like the look of all this, its scary" then vanish again. Until recently I ran a faction standing transfer business for 3 years, I would have been equally annoyed if random folks popped in to disparage my thread and make accusations, This is why I class non productive posts as trolling. This guy has done nothing more than come to the correct forum provided for everyone's use by CCP and which isn't owned by players, advertised his needs and had a few investors who feel brave enough to trust a newcomer. 5 pages of people posting obscure and Dire warnings of doom isn't required. Cosmoray is surprised by the defense we investors are displaying, well if you have several billion invested wouldn't you tend to side with the one holding that sum and not people just mouthing off for the sake of it. I want the General to succeed in his business, if he is hounded enough and has no support he may just say "F" it and pull out. I don't profit from that. Every time a post has raised legitimate doubts on the issue I have contacted the General and discussed with him, I am satisfied up to this point and thank those that took time to do some digging on our behalf. One point that hasn't been mentioned is General Newbold is the leader of a small alliance of 10 Industrial corporations, I doubt he would destroy his hard earned position and reputation for a few Billion isk. and Industrialists are not known to appreciate having a scammer as alliance leader. he strikes me as a 'working lad" who found an opportunity and needed cash to realize it, he isnt a "City slicker" in a pin stripe suit manipulating markets and making profits out of thin air. And to the guy who actually took my "I am an alt" post seriously
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.07 18:55:00 - [124] Originally by: Contralto Every time a post has raised legitimate doubts on the issue I have contacted the General and discussed with him, I am satisfied up to this point and thank those that took time to do some digging on our behalf. What was his explanation to you for posting with a secret alt, then? Or did you not consider that a 'legitimate doubt'? I don't know why General Newbold chose to respond to my post in a way that failed to answer my question, but it seemed a bit evasive. I agree with you about slinging accusations around willy-nilly. I prefer to gather evidence, ask for explanations and assess... that's why I asked a question and didn't make any accusations. á á
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.07 19:51:00 - [125] I have had several conversations with "GN" he tends to confide a lot of information that could be misinterpreted, especially in such a hostile environment. He is unguarded in his dialogue and doesn't at all come over as a "devious" or "Scheming" person. We discussed subjects that are none of my business and could be twisted by the critics on here. You see how quick he was to trust Ingenting with his Api and had his trust thrown back in his face.He was actually reaching out to his critics and look where it left him! He is understandably defensive against all the barracking here. He has a sensitive market/industry based business which could be easily poached if details were leaked. I am not his spokeman although it certainly looks that way, so I cant just blurt out or quote our conversations. I continually ask him to close the Bond so he has no more incoming isk so the critics can be silenced, The trolls will no doubt keep crawling out whatever he does. Problem is he is nowhere near the limit or potential of his market so he is reluctant to cut off growth. For instance his hauler gets into a freighter soon, think how much Megacyte he can move daily with that. And remember he isn't just some Jita solo "trader wannabe", he is founder and leader of a 200+ man, 10 corp alliance, industry based. Its fairly new so I'm sure doesn't contain many, if any, Billionaires. I just can't see why someone in that position would scam a few measly billion and "Tar" his whole alliance, which he is very proud of creating with his own Alt's skills. he didn't tell me most of this, I just researched his in game info. He has revealed all his alts past and present to me so I have a fair bit of info to judge him. Of course all this means nothing if I am not trusted myself! In my favor I have over 3 years of Transferring standings to corps for Hi sec pos anchoring, I was one of the first, following in the path of pioneers such as "Curzon Dax" who I discovered recently was doing it way back before me. This involves me either trusting my client to pay me the 300 mill fee or the client trusting me to transfer the corp after payment. I have a huge corp history and to date no complaints. my first client is still in business with my original standings from early 2006. Check my post history, its all mission related geek stuff with no controversy or drama. I have 4 accounts comprising 11 obedient little mission followers and Ceo's to create the new corps before I move in for the transfer.
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.07 20:15:00 - [126] The only thing I saw in that recorded convo was that Ingenting is obviously someone who should not be trusted in the future.
Linia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.07 21:23:00 - [127] believe it or not, I got my interest aswell.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.07 21:26:00 - [128] Originally by: Linia believe it or not, I got my interest aswell. Back to my question Linia Do you intend to pay back your shareholders from your Lazy Whale IPO and your bond, or are you a scammer??
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.07 23:14:00 - [129] Edited by: ingenting on 07/09/2009 23:16:27 Originally by: Contralto People repeatedly voicing there own personal fears and opinions have no place here classic Until recently I ran a faction standing transfer business for 3 years, I would have been equally annoyed if random folks popped in to disparage my thread and make accusations, This is why I class non productive posts as trolling. totally different Cosmoray is surprised by the defense we investors are displaying, well if you have several billion invested wouldn't you tend to side with the one holding that sum and not people just mouthing off for the sake of it. no, i wouldn't, and i bet most wouldn't I want the General to succeed in his business, if he is hounded enough and has no support he may just say "F" it and pull out. I don't profit from that. would just show how weak he is, and that he shouldnt be doing this. Every time a post has raised legitimate doubts on the issue I have contacted the General and discussed with him, I am satisfied up to this point and thank those that took time to do some digging on our behalf. and why havent he cleared OUR doubts in PUBLIC? secrecy and private talks doesnt help at all you posting a wall of text doesnt help at all, quite the opposite in fact, imho
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.07 23:26:00 - [130] Edited by: ingenting on 07/09/2009 23:26:03 Originally by: Contralto You see how quick he was to trust Ingenting with his Api and had his trust thrown back in his face.He was actually reaching out to his critics and look where it left him! Originally by: Mikael Genexi The only thing I saw in that recorded convo was that Ingenting is obviously someone who should not be trusted in the future. first of all, leaving the api was a mistake, and im sorry about that. but dont forget im not the one running a bond, and trying to evade the important questions. also, get the auditor to post in here.
Stela'Artois Capital Ventures Incorporated	Posted - 2009.09.08 00:19:00 - [131] Originally by: Contralto Hi Stela See you found our fun thread! I agree to a full audit so long as you pay for the service and agree not to reveal all my dark secrets. Do you need all four of my account details or just this one? Should I reveal the huge interest rate you are dumping on me every week despite my protests? Im lucky you didn't take 3 bill from me like The General sorry cant call him that, General Newbold. see you in court C' Yeah...that huge interest rate is mainly fueled by the fact that if I were to pay you a "real" mid level interest rate on your investment at the standard monthly timeline the return for you would be laughable (though awesome for me). That...and everytime I get ready to just pay back the whole amount I think of all the profit I would lose off of it...so I pay you a "fair" amount to hold onto it for another week. I too think it is funny that people assume a 5% per month return is somehow a "good rate" considering how much money people can make. For example, if I were to borrow 1 billion from someone to trade with, I could make on average 50 million isk on it per day with low effort at best. Now, over the course of a month, that is what, 1.5 billion in profit? So, at the end of the month I give you 50 million? The next month goes by, lets say I up volume to 100mil per day, now I have made 3 billion in that month...so at the end of it...I give you, 50 million. You have made 100million on your 1 billion...I have made 4.3 billion. Long story short, working 1-2 days can pay off most "interest" payments that are offered on these boards. I'm not saying they are in any way a "bad idea" to take a 5% return on your isk...after all, if it is just sitting in your wallet it is making 0%. Im not saying this General Newbold guy isnt a scammer or anything...I dont have any dog in this fight personally. Well, other than Contralto and I have a pretty good business relationship in game. So people jumping on his case has a tendancy to irritate me. He has a lot of money, and he enjoys gambling with it on investments. I am pretty sure he makes enough doing his missions and stuff to more than make up any "loss" he would have.
Seraphim Tor	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:11:00 - [132] Quick post to say interest was received with thanks on Sunday. The corp my main is in is currently involved in two wars so was slightly preoccupied Many Thanks
B1ade Amarr Space Repossession Company Repossession	Posted - 2009.09.09 14:47:00 - [133] Right then my 2 cents time. As far as i am concerned anyone who wants to come on to here and slander The General based on nothing but scepticism it just wrong, Anyone who fancies researching me is welcome to, I have been around the eve Universe since 2003 and IÆve popped in to most walks of life, but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that he is the single most trust worthy person i have meet in my time here, so if the long list of people in this thread who are clearly being paid by him is not enough for you, then donÆt invest, thatÆs your choice, but donÆt pointlessly slander someone without evidence or cause, in any other situation the kind of groundless accusations made could land you in court. Just a point from a very old head. ============================================ =Fortune Favours The Bold= ============================================
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.09 15:53:00 - [134] Originally by: B1ade Right then my 2 cents time. As far as i am concerned anyone who wants to come on to here and slander The General based on nothing but scepticism it just wrong, Anyone who fancies researching me is welcome to, I have been around the eve Universe since 2003 and IÆve popped in to most walks of life, but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that he is the single most trust worthy person i have meet in my time here, so if the long list of people in this thread who are clearly being paid by him is not enough for you, then donÆt invest, thatÆs your choice, but donÆt pointlessly slander someone without evidence or cause, in any other situation the kind of groundless accusations made could land you in court. Just a point from a very old head. No you haven't. You have made a total of 15 posts in 6 years. Oh yeah you quit Eve for 5 of them, and recently returned. This is your first post ever in MD, so you must be very experienced!
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.09.09 16:01:00 - [135] Originally by: B1ade Right then my 2 cents time. It's posts like this that convince me that this is likely a scam. Just more characters appearing from no where to defend the OP without addressing the fundamental issues of why this offer is suspicious. As long as the offer remains fundamentally suspicious, every page of "great job, general" should have its share of disbelievers.
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.09 16:25:00 - [136] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 09/09/2009 16:24:53 Originally by: ingenting Originally by: Contralto Cosmoray is surprised by the defense we investors are displaying, well if you have several billion invested wouldn't you tend to side with the one holding that sum and not people just mouthing off for the sake of it. no, i wouldn't, and i bet most wouldn't oh come on... do you really want to loose out, just because it's for the "good cause"Ö? let's assume, you have a significant sum locked up in an investment (bought into a mutual fund). Soon there are doubts about the legitimacy of this investment, after all it could be a ponzi scheme. variant A: you are confident your bond manager is no scammer - this means you are fairly indifferent whether to press him to release info proving his innocence right now or whether to wait for the "I told you so"-moment, when all bonds have been bought back. variant B: tbh, perhaps investing was a somewhat rash decision - now, you are at the mercy of your bond manager (-> see YGR for a very plastic example^^). If you call him out now, he will probably run off with your money (if it's really a ponzi scheme, he cannot pay back all investors, so why should he decide to pay you who did directly contribute to his downfall?). If you support him on the other hand, he might be somewhat grateful and decide to let the ponzi scheme run another round before running off with the investors' money. By then, you could already have cashed out. Which one would you choose? " Credit is the economic judgement on the morality of a man. "
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.09 16:41:00 - [137] I don't know what the point of either questioning him or defending him is at this moment. Right now all Newbold has to do is keep up his interest payments and close the bond, or if he's scamming not to. In other words at this point the proof is in the pudding and nowhere else. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.09 17:29:00 - [138] everyday i have a look at this thread, and everyday i laugh at some of the comments, Now not only do people slag me off - they also have a go at b1ade, who if anyone noticed is in my corp thats how he knows me, and thats why he backed me up - people can browse the forums cant they? or is MD invite only?
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.09 18:07:00 - [139] Apologies to "Ingenting" for yet another "Wall" I must admit to being nervous as some of the more intelligent posts were made with good research, but after several conversations with "GN" and my own research I feel at ease now. some points... He is leader of a 10 corp industrial alliance He created the alliance with an alt of his own There have been no new investments for more than a week so his supposed "Ponzi" is not being "fed" so his gains are being reduced by 800 mill per week, I am receiving 150 mill per week. 16 bill (and dropping)is not worth losing his characters reputation and his alliance trust. I agree it was initially an extremely high risk investment for the brave or foolish, but the risk has dwindled with time. Any risk remaining in my opinion is the possibility his business fails through market shifts or incompetence on "GN's" part. "GN" has contacted a highly respected Auditor who is away from Eve for a few days, as per his quoted Eve-mail.If this quote was fabricated Ishiguro, would have been in here by now and our hero would be doomed. I hope to put everyone out of there pain soon! Once Ishiguro presents his audit I am going to convince "GN" to announce a cap to his bond and fill it myself. Foolish? brave? perhaps, but we will see exactly 7 days later when the interest is due which it is! there will be absolutely no reason to hand over 1 Bill+ in interest if there is no possibility of covering the payment from new investments. I am moving home tomorrow, so will be incommunicado for over a week while I get my ADSL installed, I wont be littering this thread with my defense of my choice of investment or "GN" during that time. Perhaps all will be resolved one way or the other by the time I return. If the closing of the Bond to new investment is agreed and confirmed here quickly I may increase my investment tomorrow before being disconnected, otherwise it's 10 days away. Of course if "GN" sets a cap of 30 plus Bill I wont be covering that. Jin Nib has "hit the nail on the head" we have to wait it out and see.
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.09 18:27:00 - [140] again and again praise for the OP and telling us to STFU or GTFO unless we have something good to say, which is a classic red flag. and besides there havent been any audit to clear our doubts, and we could care less about stuff like b1idle and contralito... "trust him because i trust him, he said this and that" well, he still havent proven not to be a scam (read: audit) im just gonna leave this now, have fun.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.09 18:30:00 - [141] Originally by: ingenting a im just gonna leave this now, have fun. Phew! he's finally given up and gone, can relax now!
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.09 18:54:00 - [142] Originally by: ingenting again and again praise for the OP and telling us to STFU or GTFO unless we have something good to say, which is a classic red flag. and besides there havent been any audit to clear our doubts, and we could care less about stuff like b1idle and contralito... "trust him because i trust him, he said this and that" well, he still havent proven not to be a scam (read: audit) im just gonna leave this now, have fun. To be fair, GN gave you his API (as you so kindly showed the forum publicly) so you could have extracted the information you desired if you wished. Instead you chose to continue to troll and release his private information. You have no legs to stand on in this argument.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.09 19:37:00 - [143] Edited by: Contralto on 09/09/2009 19:40:55 Originally by: Mikael Genexi Originally by: ingenting again and again praise for the OP and telling us to STFU or GTFO unless we have something good to say, which is a classic red flag. and besides there havent been any audit to clear our doubts, and we could care less about stuff like b1idle and contralito... "trust him because i trust him, he said this and that" well, he still havent proven not to be a scam (read: audit) im just gonna leave this now, have fun. To be fair, GN gave you his API (as you so kindly showed the forum publicly) so you could have extracted the information you desired if you wished. Instead you chose to continue to troll and release his private information. Just did an eve-search of his previous posts, just a litany of one liner, smart Alec responses,going back 18 months. And GN had to pick him of all people to give some trust to! Bad move! .He is being fed in this thread, I hope he has moved on.
Kravotir APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.09.09 22:17:00 - [144] Received payment in full again
Tekota legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.09.10 03:02:00 - [145] I'm not really sure I should be posting any more in this thread, I think all has been said and done really, perhaps I just like the sound of my own keyboard too much :D I've gained a lot of respect for Contralto in this thread, he seems to know the score, that every investment is a gamble and he's picked one with long odds; it either pays off with a good return or it doesn't and them's the breaks. The one sentence that made me come back was "B1ade"'s "I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he is the single most trust worthy person I have met in my time here". Ok, well further to earlier research I can now say without a shadow of a doubt that General Salvage and General Newbold are one and the same (cross reference forum posting times with public contract histories). General Salvage is self acknowledged corp thief - nothing wrong with that from a game perspective, it's one of the many and varied paths in Eve - but it does mean that "Teh General" is certainly not to be considered "the single most trustworthy person you have ever met" (unless you've not met very many people). Now none of this says anything for this individual scheme, it's perfectly feasible to play alter-egos and seperate well the honest market entrepeneur and the shady thief. Whether GN can seperate those sides of his psyche or not is the gamble, and it's a gamble that I (you won't be suprised to learn) will not be taking and I (for what little it's worth) would advise others against taking too. Those that take it, knowing the score, well I genuinely wish you the best of luck. However this pans out all sides will claim to be right. If it ends in scam the nay sayers will beat their drum, a handful of dubious looking alts/friends will say "he was driven to it by the MD elite" and a handful of honest investors will roll with the punches and hope for better luck next time. If it ends in payout the backers will beat their drum, the nay sayers will say "we just prevented more genuine investors coming on board so made a scam unprofitable" and we can start this merry-go-round all over again when GN launches his third bond.
Steel Wraith	Posted - 2009.09.10 04:06:00 - [146] Contralto, I give you permission to refer to General Newbold as "The General" if you wish. You really ought to grow a thicker skin. Finding it strange that so many players who I had assumed were strangers would all refer to the guy in the same way, a way I wouldn't think to refer to him, I asked why they call him "The General." GN answered that it's how his corp mates refer to him. Thanks. No need to get all dramatic. Note: If I feel like posting in a forum thread that something looks like a scam then I will post that something looks like a scam. Don't misinterpret what I say as a personal attack. It's just business.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.09.10 05:49:00 - [147] Originally by: Tekota I'm not really sure I should be posting any more in this thread, I think all has been said and done really, perhaps I just like the sound of my own keyboard too much :D Hehe! you got that right, I'm glad I am taking a weeks break, which will help me go cold turkey on the keyboard clicks. For the rest of your post, you are obviously very perceptive, you have just about got the whole situation accurately summed up as I see it. What remains is just the choice of investing or not. hopefully this bond will be closed to new investment soon, so I can stand down and just enjoy the weekly injections! I am sure the controversy wont be over though, it may even intensify especially when a 3rd bond lands on the table. Steel Wraith, thanks for the go ahead to use "The General" but I have got used to "GN" now, its a little more "MD'ish I am a bit "thin skinned" your right, but as a dedicated "Carebear" I never built up a CAOD skin.
B1ade Amarr Space Repossession Company Repossession	Posted - 2009.09.10 11:23:00 - [148] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: B1ade Right then my 2 cents time. As far as i am concerned anyone who wants to come on to here and slander The General based on nothing but scepticism it just wrong, Anyone who fancies researching me is welcome to, I have been around the eve Universe since 2003 and IÆve popped in to most walks of life, but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that he is the single most trust worthy person i have meet in my time here, so if the long list of people in this thread who are clearly being paid by him is not enough for you, then donÆt invest, thatÆs your choice, but donÆt pointlessly slander someone without evidence or cause, in any other situation the kind of groundless accusations made could land you in court. Just a point from a very old head. No you haven't. You have made a total of 15 posts in 6 years. Oh yeah you quit Eve for 5 of them, and recently returned. This is your first post ever in MD, so you must be very experienced! Yes and did I try to make a secret of it? No, to be honest I canÆt really be bother to but a long winded response, but I will just say, from my experience (not just eve) the only reason people would be so worried about being scammed is that if they were in the position of power, they would probably cut with the money and run, itÆs one of the fundamental reasons why the eve universe is so untrustworthy. That every single person is out to make a quick buck and dam who gets hurt, (the reason I left a while ago). And anyway of all the parts of the forum I read, and I read a lot, MD is by far the most paranoid and frankly deceitful. But that is to be expected a lot of you help control the markets and as anyone whoÆs spent time with bankers knows you lot tend to work on a basis of fear, greed and a herd mentality, I think itÆs why you caused a global recession....... But what do I know, I didnÆt subscribe to EVE for a few years or post in here every day that apparently invalidates my opinion ============================================ =Fortune Favours The Bold= ============================================
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.10 11:35:00 - [149] I think the fundamental problem with "the General" is that this thread fits all the elements of a ponzie scheme. But I am not an expert on white collare financial crime. 1) No transparency. Since a ponzie scheme doesn't actually invest money into anything, an audit would be scam-suicide. There are no books to follow, since the money simply sits in an account. A skilled auditor would be able to see that any transactions were nothing more than simply moving money around between accounts/alts/wallets. 2) No cap. A ponzie scheme "succeeds" by constantly attracting new investors, or increasing investments from current investors. The scammer is, after all, only pretending to invest money. Payouts slowly chip away at each person's "investment." Therefore, without new investors or increases in investment amount, a 5% weekly payout would negate the investment in 20 weeks. However, as each new investor joins in, that amount is used to keep the scheme afloat. 3) Long term. The most successful ponzie schemes are always long term (ala Madoff). The scammer never stops looking for new investors or increases in each person's investment to keep the scheme afloat. The scammer relies on word of mouth and time to assuage all doubts about authenticity. The scammer literally tries to outlive the doubters. 4) Better payouts. A ponzie scheme has to offer consistently higher returns to attract investors. One of the early whistle-blowers on Madoff (who was ingored by the feds for years), argued that Madoff's returns were mathematically impossible in the stock market. Investors flocked to Madoff, because he was achieving seemingly "impossible" success. The market fluctuates too much... nobody can always turn a great profit. There have to be plateaus somewhere. 5) False success. A long term ponzie scheme may start with alts making false claims of payouts. However, eventually the scheme attracts an actual investor, who is strung along. The first waves of investors are given actual payouts, and even allowed to withdraw investment early in order to garner authenticity. Those who invest early receive payouts and withdraw the investment, leaving happy and praising the scammer, possibly even returning at a later date for further investment. A wave of success stories by actual investors with positive feedback defeats the nay-sayers and investors flock to the scammer. At this point, the scheme snowballs until the scammer decides he is maxed out on investors, cuts, and runs. 6) Capital. A major ponzie scheme is, ITSELF, an investment. The scammer needs a large amount of money upfront in his own wallet to keep the scheme afloat until it snowballs. The scammer has to be able to make the 5% payouts and allow for withdrawls for however long it takes until the scheme turns profitable.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.10 11:58:00 - [150] Edited by: General Newbold on 10/09/2009 11:59:55 some nice posts here! it really does cheer me up in a morning to see all the banter going on here, but it is getting a little repetitive! how about speaking to me in game, it would then brighten up my afternoon too! Also as soon as i have spoke to the person who has my api, i will be capping this bond - and chances are that contrallo will take the remainder, and i will then reissue at a lower %age for all the bandwagon folks
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.10 12:08:00 - [151] More on ponzie schemes: Here's how I would do it in eve! As mentioned in my previous post, I would need a large amount of capital. It would make most sense if I already had a large amount of legitimate business. As investors trickle in, I would separate their investments into a separate wallet, just to keep things clear and manageable. I would then use my legitimate business to cover the weekly payouts. This is critical, because if the scheme were to suddenly go south for some reason, I could return the investments and bail, still appearing to be completley legitimate and further establishing my credibility. Live to scheme another day. Although, at the start, an audit would be ponzie-suicide, it is something I would consider down the road. Once I had some initial investors on the hooks, I would make sure to start some actual business. If my scheme had something to do with megacyte (but undefined), I would begin setting up buy orders, contracts, and sell orders which somehow involved megacyte. I would be sure to run these operations with the account in which I keep the investors money, and I would be sure to mix it up as much as possible with as many alts as possible. The goal here is to create a set of false books that are completely indecipherable. With three different alts running orders around megactye spread around the galaxy, I could ensure I had a bunch of transactions that seemed to do things. So long as its all very confusing and official looking, who really (in eve) is going to be able to figure out it's just apperances? The transactions could be profitable, but I really only need to break even. Anybody in trade knows that it's pretty easy to break even. It took whole teams of trained FBI accountants months (if not years) to unravel Madoff. Who in Eve is going to rival this?? And that's pretty much it. I cover my payouts early on so I can always cut and run. When I get enough investors, I start working on a false set of books. Then, once it's all thoroughly interwoven, I open up the books for audit and let it snowball from there.
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.09.10 12:58:00 - [152] Edited by: SetrakDark on 10/09/2009 12:58:21 Wow, koerner. my thoughts exactly. well done.
Tsang Chou	Posted - 2009.09.10 13:14:00 - [153] Confirmation of payment received! Keep up the good work, General.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.09.10 15:59:00 - [154] I've received General Newbold's full API key and can confirm that he's been making the scheduled payments on his bond to the holders listed at the start of this thread. However, the heart of the operation remains opaque to me - General Newbold has been used only to make the interest payments. The isk raised from the bond has been transferred to Lord Newbold, a character on another account, who has subsequently returned it to pay out the interest. I have been provided with a limited API key as proof of ownership. I am informed that this character is used to perform trades via private contracts; LN has no trade skills. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.09.10 16:53:00 - [155] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I've received General Newbold's full API key and can confirm that he's been making the scheduled payments on his bond to the holders listed at the start of this thread. However, the heart of the operation remains opaque to me - General Newbold has been used only to make the interest payments. The isk raised from the bond has been transferred to Lord Newbold, a character on another account, who has subsequently returned it to pay out the interest. I have been provided with a limited API key as proof of ownership. I am informed that this character is used to perform trades via private contracts; LN has no trade skills. Thank you, Kazuo. Please understand that the following is not a dig on your service, but rather the incomplete job which you've been requested to do. This is crap. Don't be fooled by the fact that there's an "audit" on this bond. The general hasn't provided a single piece of evidence that any profitable trading is taking place at all. In fact he's paid for an auditor while specifically denying him the access needed to verify this. There's only circumstancial evidence at this point, but all of it points towards a scam. Visual Aid: LEGIT - - - - 0 - - - - >>SCAM Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.11 05:29:00 - [156] With regards to this new audit: That's basically what I predicted before the auditor made the post. The "investors" money is kept in a separate wallet which is not disclosed (at least, not yet). The front man for the operation is used purely for making the weekly payouts. Again, this thing continues to fit every element of a ponzie scheme.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.11 21:59:00 - [157] always was and still is a scam
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.11 22:48:00 - [158] The audit is not complete until there's evidence of the cash flow. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.09.11 22:53:00 - [159] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I've received General Newbold's full API key and can confirm that he's been making the scheduled payments on his bond to the holders listed at the start of this thread. However, the heart of the operation remains opaque to me - General Newbold has been used only to make the interest payments. The isk raised from the bond has been transferred to Lord Newbold, a character on another account, who has subsequently returned it to pay out the interest. I have been provided with a limited API key as proof of ownership. I am informed that this character is used to perform trades via private contracts; LN has no trade skills. Unless General Newbold provides the full API key for the account(s) on which the trading is actually taking place, this audit is nearly useless. All it reveals is that General Newbold was not stupid enough to have alt investors on the same accounts and that he actually sent out payments, which doesn't prove anything. It is also suspicious that Lord Newbold has no trade skills. General Newbold, can you explain why you only provided a limited API for Lord Newbold? This is extremely suspicious. Also, I note that you have not yet answered Tekota's question: Originally by: Tekota Straight up question: Is General Salvage an alt of General Newbold? Kazuo, is General Salvage a character on one of the accounts you can access? If a full audit was completed and all of these concerns are addressed, I might be willing to invest, but at this time this appears far too much like a scam.
Nif Makria Caldari Eve Engineering Finance	Posted - 2009.09.11 22:57:00 - [160] just got back from holiday... received 5% each Sunday (for past 2 weeks) I'll post again when I receive my next 5% (on Sunday)
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.14 13:32:00 - [161] im currently experiencing problems associated with saturday and sundays crash I worked around the clock yesterday (i was on for around 13 hours) to get this resolved Basically over the last few days i have been in a wormhole scouting a system dueing saturdays unplanned crash i had just gone through a wormhole, and when i returned the WH had collapsed leaving me in a system i had no map of, i amaged to sort this out sunday morning after a lot of fustration On sunday Nightthe server went down again, at the time i was using my main char to ship some pos fuel in, and my backup char was in my WH scanning - when the server went down I had 5 probes out - and it seems like the server went mad, because when it returned i only had 2 probes in my hold (i alsways carry 10) so for some reason i didnt get my probes back, meaning i was stuck for a long time! This has set me behind for 2 days, Also the forums being down yesterday meant that i didnt have a copy of who to mail, I did speak to the odd person, but not all Ideally i need the API up so i can deal with my assets, but i will arrange payment for everyone today. Sorry for the problems G
Miyahon Gallente LEM0N	Posted - 2009.09.14 13:41:00 - [162] 50m received in the early hours of this morning. Cheers
Nif Makria Caldari Eve Engineering Finance	Posted - 2009.09.14 17:22:00 - [163] my 3rd payment of 5% arrived today. spoke to General online about the WH issues - but end of the day he hasnt let me down for 3 weeks in a row. roll on my 4th :)
Fresh Prince For us all	Posted - 2009.09.14 17:43:00 - [164] Interest payment received again... going good here
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.14 17:49:00 - [165] Another interest payment received. Keep up the great work.
Tsang Chou	Posted - 2009.09.14 20:53:00 - [166] Interest payment received. Good work!
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.14 21:24:00 - [167] most payments made, will pay the rest in the AM
RageWreaker	Posted - 2009.09.14 22:28:00 - [168] payment received, thanks.
Varnik	Posted - 2009.09.15 01:08:00 - [169] Payment received. Thanks.
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.09.15 07:40:00 - [170] Payment recieved
Linia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.15 10:49:00 - [171] Got my dividend today. And private convo aswell. very good service
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.15 19:47:00 - [172] Last week I got tired of all the Ponzi scheme blah-blah and Ingenting's "outing" of GN's API and decided to reinvest in GN to the tune of 500M. I got my first 25M interest payment back already. I have to say, if GN is running a Ponzi scheme, he is doing a crappy job of it by paying out so much Isk all the time.
ginlaaan Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.09.15 20:34:00 - [173] please reserve 1 spot for 500 million isk for ginlaaan. will await further instruction from you either in convo or evemail as your post suggest. --Ginlaaan--
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.15 23:18:00 - [174] Originally by: Mikael Genexi Last week I got tired of all the Ponzi scheme blah-blah and Ingenting's "outing" of GN's API and decided to reinvest in GN to the tune of 500M. I got my first 25M interest payment back already. I have to say, if GN is running a Ponzi scheme, he is doing a crappy job of it by paying out so much Isk all the time. That would be because you don't understand how a Ponzi scheme works, which is disturbing given that Koener made two excellent posts detailing such a scheme. (beginning of this page and second to last on the 5th) Also I may point out the sticking it to the naysayers by doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with them (ie investing your money to prove a point) is pretty silly. But then so is you portrait so good RPing. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.15 23:29:00 - [175] this is not a ponzi scheme! end of!
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:48:00 - [176] Originally by: General Newbold this is not a ponzi scheme! end of! Oh, well then, you should have just said so earli... hey, wait a second, that's exactly what you might be expected to say if it is a Ponzi scheme! á á
Kravotir APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.09.16 06:27:00 - [177] Payment received - as promised. Got an update from Newbold on how things are going in private convo as well.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.16 09:49:00 - [178] People here have no sense of business. Exactly like in RL, those who entered early have gathered the best margins. Now, if they believe it's a Ponzi, they can exit the business and enjoy the fat interests. The others who will jump on a Ponzi late, will only lose their capital with no fat interest. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
andyt123 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.09.21 22:50:00 - [179] I have been quietly watching this thread for the last few weeks, with a view to possibly investing. I think I have changed my mind. As it's all gone quiet this week I wondered if any of the investers have received this weeks interest?
Mithrass	Posted - 2009.09.22 06:57:00 - [180] I was just about to post something similar. "no". would be my guess.
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.09.22 07:33:00 - [181] No would be correct, not heard a thing from him this week at all yet.
RageWreaker	Posted - 2009.09.22 11:46:00 - [182] I saw him logging in/out quite frequently on saturday. I haven't seen/heard anything since.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.09.22 13:12:00 - [183] Have to say, this is an extremely interesting thread, I learned a lot. Especially since I just made a bond myself, as an unknown, and didn't have any audit. Nevertheless it was a succes, and I did not receive any flaming at all. Since I am a newcomer I shouldn't judge this bond, but for those who have invested here, or consider it, I would advise to read carefully the questions that have been raised. They are not unreasonable. One personal observation that I might add, was that the OP did not make any sense at all. He both said that he was trading the mineral and mining it. Is he a trader or a miner?
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.09.22 16:30:00 - [184] As someone who is not involved I'll respectfully suggest you read the post before critisising it. He clearly said he is BUYING the ore from someone ELSE who mines it. He is then having it transported to empire space where he is SELLING it to someone ELSE. "Who am I and what do I do! I am General Newbold, I am mainly a industrial player, but about 3 weeks ago I was in the right place at the right time and things took off hugely for me! I have a contract to purchase a large (practially uncapped) amount of megacyte at a very low price, which i have a arranged sale price to sell to another corp for, I also sell excess on the market (although atm there isnt any), I have also upped this to buying from another source, hense me asking for reinvestment The hauling is taken care of by a 3rd party hauling corp, so i have no risk with transport as collateral is provided The sale price that i sell at is a fair one, and gives me a good profit margin to offer this bond." clear? It's probable he's having login problems as i have seen him come and go faster than a speeding minmatar. It's also probable that with the Backend API down he's taken a couple of days off to sort real life out. As he's mentioned several times before he needs it to calculate his payouts. Personally I dont care what he does so long as he does payout, and up until now he's allways delivered. I'll await the weekend.
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.22 18:17:00 - [185] Hi Things are not good in newbold headquarters My server got infected with win32/huer due to a error on my behalf (yes i am totally to blame - i made a silly mistake) It has totally ****ed the HDD on the machine i use as a server At the moment i dont know what to do, as since i mainly use my pc's for work and not "gaming" i have a problem, as only of my pc's have a VGA card that is capable of supporting Pixel Shader 2.0 (its also the only one that has a pci-e port - and that pc has massive issues as i beleive the cmos has been compromised Therefore im away from eve for a while - at this point in time i can honestly say i dont know when i will be back. I am posting this on a borrowed laptop, so i am able to access my work that is on a backup (laptop is a samsung V25) also the more astute of you who like doing detective work - might be able to find some of my posts on many technical support forums (as i posted a lot of messages around the net asking for advice) At the moment i have massive problems - and although the timing is bad - EVE is not my priority atm. Incase anyone wonders if i am logging on as a alt - my only alts are commander newbold - and lord newbold (commander isnt training either - does anyone know if a petition will let CCP set him to training?) As soon as i get any info i will post here
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.09.22 18:26:00 - [186] I woulda had a tiny bit more (but not very much) respect for you if you had just posted " Goodbye suckers " Your explanation of your 'problems' is just another load of airy fairy nonsense as of course was your original 'business plan'
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.09.22 18:45:00 - [187] yes rogue, i guess it would have been Please feel free to add me to your address book, or ask may of my investors/corp members etc how a man who usually spends 10-12 hrs a day on eve has managed to go down to 0
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.22 18:58:00 - [188] I laugh at anyone who invested in this. Whether his scenario is true or not, you have lost your cash.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.09.22 19:17:00 - [189] Well well, this gets more interesting by the minute :) What amaaazing bad luck to have crashed ones computers just as the wave of suspicion came rolling in full force. /me gets beers and popcorn this thread ftw
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.22 19:30:00 - [190] Originally by: General Newbold yes rogue, i guess it would have been Please feel free to add me to your address book, or ask may of my investors/corp members etc how a man who usually spends 10-12 hrs a day on eve has managed to go down to 0 Instead of stating the obvious I'll tell you that you can have an EvE install on a USB thumb drive and use it on some friend computer. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.22 19:56:00 - [191] I would like to remind people that this is not a ponzi scheme. We have been repeatedly assured of this, so step off. Haha, this game is so great. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:01:00 - [192] Originally by: General Newbold Hi Things are not good in newbold headquarters blah blah virus blah blah tech support blah bye bye blah blah search blah blah blah problems As soon as i get any info i will post here So why dont you just pay back investors? Is it time for "I told you so" yet?
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:05:00 - [193] Originally by: cosmoray I laugh at anyone who invested in this. Whether his scenario is true or not, you have lost your cash. I view this as internet spaceships Darwinism. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:09:00 - [194] Originally by: ingenting Is it time for "I told you so" yet? This scam was so obvious that this won't even bring any satisfaction. It's like being proven right for saying that dog **** tastes bad...not much of a victory.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:38:00 - [195] Haha I just re-read Newbold's ***-you post. Asking those interested to search the entirety of the Internet for his posts on random forums and help him with his problems is a nice touch. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00*
Steel Wraith	Posted - 2009.09.23 03:43:00 - [196] Originally by: General Newbold yes rogue, i guess it would have been Please feel free to add me to your address book, or ask may of my investors/corp members etc how a man who usually spends 10-12 hrs a day on eve has managed to go down to 0 I could offer a possible scenario that involves said man now playing on a different character but the end result would be the same for the investors. If you were legit (appears unlikely) I guess you should have had a hit by a virus bus clause. On a side note, should we also check c&p for a post describing your technical difficulties?
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.09.23 05:28:00 - [197] As a bystander, I have a couple of question I just as well may throw to those that think this was a scam. 1) Do you think more than 1 or 2 investors were legit? I am no expert, but it appears that this project was cut short quite fast, implying that not much isk was incoming. 2) How will this affect upcoming bonds ? I hope that if few regular MDers jumped this one, the negative effect on other projects may be minimal.
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.23 05:39:00 - [198] God loves flamers. Being an IT guy myself I should know better, but a few years ago I got burned badly by a HD head crash. I had a decade of work, emails, papers I wrote on 1 drive. I spent 5K real life dollars attempting to recover any part of that data and got not 1kb of it back. I have since learned my lesson and keep my data on three different locations. I feel for you General and understand the your REAL LIFE work needs to get attended to first. Please keep us posted as best you can and remember your investors have not lost faith. As previously stated the man paid every week's interest. If you do the math on what he has paid out and what has been invested. If this is a scam he is only walking away with about 4 to 6 billion. Not really worth the headache of coming up with lies and posting them on the forum. It is also very true that for the last month I have seen him on 10 to 12 hours daily until his system crashed. Hard to go from 12 to 0 and not miss the time you put in on a toon. Last words to flamers. You have knocked this guy since the beginning. He has always paid his weekly interest payments on or near time depending on whether or not he was able to convo the recipient before had as he likes to talk to the investors. (Scary isn't it.) So... Wait, watch, give the man some time to sort out his computer issues. (A week or two) If he hasn't returned and made payments then it will be fair to flame but until that date you are all worthless trolls. Go back to the rocks you climbed out from under or robbing graves which ever it was before you came here.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.09.23 05:41:00 - [199] Originally by: Cista2 As a bystander, I have a couple of question I just as well may throw to those that think this was a scam. 1) Do you think more than 1 or 2 investors were legit? I am no expert, but it appears that this project was cut short quite fast, implying that not much isk was incoming. 2) How will this affect upcoming bonds ? I hope that if few regular MDers jumped this one, the negative effect on other projects may be minimal. 1) Difficult to say from the outside, but certainly more than one or two were (are?) actual people. 2) It won't, really. Idiots will still be investing in scammers (while jeering at people who tell them they're walking into a scam) and more seasoned MD people will sit back and shrug at each new scam attempt. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
flakeys Vanguard Frontiers Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:56:00 - [200] Edited by: flakeys on 23/09/2009 15:05:15 There once was a person called john holt.He made a statement on this forum about an investment opportunity with gave interest returns weekly of between 5 to 20% if i recall right. He immediatly was called as a scammer and the offer was a ponzi scheme.Now 2 people in here must remember him since they are saying the same things they said back then right rogue and cosmo? I remember this clearly since i was the first to get in on the deal without collateral or audit.John gave me verry good returns.A few weeks later he started an ipo wich got sold out easily.This with the help of cosmo i must add since he gave verry good advice to john on how to properly run an IPO. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why this story?Simply allthough i was the first to call this venture a risk i refrained from claiming the OP is a scammer because in my book one still is not until proven otherwise.I know most Md work the other way hence why they have been right a lot of the times but more importantly to me also called people a scam and fraud that where clearly not in the end. Will the OP run off with the isk?Could well be but it could also be he really has problems with his pc.I don't know what kind of work he does but it could well be he indeed has a lot of other stuff on his mind now.So give him some breathing room in here.If it turns out he is a scammer then the only people hurt are the ones who invested and the others can still chest beat about how they where right , me included yes. Edit:Small search on evesearch gave me link to john's offer null john' offer , take special notie to the first one who mentions pyramid scheme
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:22:00 - [201] Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 23/09/2009 15:09:25 There once was a person called john holt.He made a statement on this forum about an investment opportunity wich had no maximum cap of investment at the start and wich gave interest returns weekly of between 5 to 20% if i recall right. He immediatly was called as a scammer and the offer was a ponzi scheme.Now 2 people in here must remember him since they are saying the same things they said back then right rogue and cosmo? I remember this clearly since i was the first to get in on the deal without collateral or audit.John gave me verry good returns.A few weeks later he started an ipo wich got sold out easily.This with the help of cosmo i must add since he gave verry good advice to john on how to properly run an IPO. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why this story?Simply allthough i was the first to call this venture a risk i refrained from claiming the OP is a scammer because in my book one still is not until proven otherwise.I know most Md work the other way hence why they have been right a lot of the times but more importantly to me also called people a scam and fraud that where clearly not in the end. The difference between john and OP is that john did not try so hard not to be called a scammer as the OP does. Will the OP run off with the isk?Could well be but it could also be he really has problems with his pc.I don't know what kind of work he does but it could well be he indeed has a lot of other stuff on his mind now.So give him some breathing room in here.If it turns out he is a scammer then the only people hurt are the ones who invested and the others can still chest beat about how they where right , me included yes. Edit:Small search on evesearch gave me link to john's offer null john' offer , take special notie to the first one who mentions pyramid scheme john Holt at the time had a very small cap, so it wasn't as difficult to return 20% per month. When he launched the IPO it was a more reasonable amount, and he paid out investors and successfully closed down his IPO. The IPO launched in this thread looked very dubious from the start, very wierd alts jumping in, ex-scammer (Linia), and many posts claiming what a great guy GN is. Further investors asked for proof via an audit, an API was given to the wrong account. Suspicion increased, now we have a RL drama and can't pay back in medium term. End result all investments most loikely wiped out. SCAM/Failure at this point no difference investors lose. I am surprised I haven't seen anyone come on here who spent 5 pages defending this guy to the death, why they haven't commented now. These investors logged in every day to tell us to back off, and state how payments were made. Where have they all gone? no comments, no disappointments or are you just part of the SCAM?
flakeys Vanguard Frontiers Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:43:00 - [202] Edited by: flakeys on 23/09/2009 15:46:12 Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 23/09/2009 15:09:25 There once was a person called john holt.He made a statement on this forum about an investment opportunity wich had no maximum cap of investment at the start and wich gave interest returns weekly of between 5 to 20% if i recall right. He immediatly was called as a scammer and the offer was a ponzi scheme.Now 2 people in here must remember him since they are saying the same things they said back then right rogue and cosmo? I remember this clearly since i was the first to get in on the deal without collateral or audit.John gave me verry good returns.A few weeks later he started an ipo wich got sold out easily.This with the help of cosmo i must add since he gave verry good advice to john on how to properly run an IPO. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why this story?Simply allthough i was the first to call this venture a risk i refrained from claiming the OP is a scammer because in my book one still is not until proven otherwise.I know most Md work the other way hence why they have been right a lot of the times but more importantly to me also called people a scam and fraud that where clearly not in the end. The difference between john and OP is that john did not try so hard not to be called a scammer as the OP does. Will the OP run off with the isk?Could well be but it could also be he really has problems with his pc.I don't know what kind of work he does but it could well be he indeed has a lot of other stuff on his mind now.So give him some breathing room in here.If it turns out he is a scammer then the only people hurt are the ones who invested and the others can still chest beat about how they where right , me included yes. Edit:Small search on evesearch gave me link to john's offer null john' offer , take special notie to the first one who mentions pyramid scheme john Holt at the time had a very small cap, so it wasn't as difficult to return 20% per month. When he launched the IPO it was a more reasonable amount, and he paid out investors and successfully closed down his IPO. The IPO launched in this thread looked very dubious from the start, very wierd alts jumping in, ex-scammer (Linia), and many posts claiming what a great guy GN is. Further investors asked for proof via an audit, an API was given to the wrong account. Suspicion increased, now we have a RL drama and can't pay back in medium term. End result all investments most loikely wiped out. SCAM/Failure at this point no difference investors lose. I am surprised I haven't seen anyone come on here who spent 5 pages defending this guy to the death, why they haven't commented now. These investors logged in every day to tell us to back off, and state how payments were made. Where have they all gone? no comments, no disappointments or are you just part of the SCAM? Well i could be part of the SCAM but i allready am running a SCAM as i appearantly am talking to myself in 'info specialists' offer as you probably know a few pages back John's offer at the start did not have a cap , he made/raised a cap once more investors dived in. I see all the 'blocks' you are falling over in this offer and i fell over the same otherwise i would have invested in this obviously however i feel this is beginning to get a trolltastic thread. As to the reason why those defending him are not posting is because they probably are feeling a little hot at this point is my guess and most people refrain from calling their investment a scam till it has proven to be before they give the OP a reason to actually walk off with it.Look at the ebank thread , also people asking there not to go on with the accusations before the staff changes mind and actually runs off with the isk.But this is just an assumption of mine.
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:30:00 - [203] What is to defend? GN has made a claim that his computer is pooched and that real life has taken control of his life again. If what happened to him actually happened, then I fully expect he is in no position to deal with EVE stuff right now. If enough time goes by (several weeks) and no more ISK is forthcoming, then I will be willing to admit that it was a scam. Until then though, I will cut him some slack.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:42:00 - [204] Note the title of the thread is unchanged. Our intrepid hero is still open for investment. Get in now while you still have the chance! -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:37:00 - [205] Hey, I never actually made any direct accusations that it was a scam :). I merely pointed out some unsettling similarities to ponzi schemes. Now, to be totally honest, I am a little baffled by this. If it were me, and I truly had been effected by major hardware failures, and this were a legitimate bond, I would immediately call KINGS X. Post on this forum what happened, then find a friend of mine with a half-way decent computer (probably not that hard for this game), install it, and log in long enough to return the cash ASAP. Given the size of this bond, he should have enough isk on-hand (or in assets) to liquidate and return all, or some portion, of the cash as a good faith promise of full reimbursement. Reading the posts on this thread, there weren't THAT many investors to square away. Reputation is everything in MD. Now, if it were me, and this were a scam, and I really had been subject to major hardware failures, I would STILL make an attempt to return the cash in full. Because I would want to appear legitimate to set myself up for my next scam attempt, since this one took a sudden unexpected, un-profitable downturn. Again, reputation is everything in MD. In both scenarios, I would return as much isk as possible with promises of full reimbursement. He's revealed that he has at least one friend with a laptop. This is EVE, not Crysis... any store-bought Dell can run this game at base requirements. Which, for me, leaves only a few possible scenarios: 1) This bond was legitimate, but the General no longer gives a crap, because real life issues have overwhelmed him, and he has no plans to return to the game, much less MD. The isk will just sit in an expired account. 2) There were a bunch of other secret investors who didn't post, and the ponzie hit the intended goal quickly. So he's faking the "hardware failure" and bailing. 3) The ponzie never took off, he's given up hope of ever making it profitable, and has no aspirations of trying again. So he's taking what little he did scam, or breaking even and trashing the character under cover of "hardware failure." There may be other likely scenarios, but they fail me at the moment.
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:27:00 - [206] I called scam on this quite early but I didn't why in any great detail. With this post I'm going to try and add that detail. The 1st thing you need to know about premeditated scammers is that generally they DON'T KNOW how to make isk legitimately. So in order to get their 'scheme' off the ground they have to come up with a 'business plan' that sounds legitimate enough to draw in the 'marks'. It's at this stage really where it's easy to spot scams. So let's take a look at Generals 'business plan'. He states "I have a contract to purchase a large (practially uncapped) amount of megacyte at a very low price" Ingame 'contracts' of that nature don't exist in the game. What he means is that another player is mining megacyte and has agreed to sell it to him at a low price on a regular basis. Oh really? Why? Tbh the plan kinda goes downhill from there with his 'arrangement' to sell it to another 'corp' and then he brings in a 3rd party hauling corp to actually move this imaginary megacyte around. Why are all these people falling over themselves to be so nice to the General? So nice in fact that he just has to sit back and watch the profits roll in. Like I said in my 1st post it's all a load of airy fairy nonsense and any of you guys want to become 'professional' investors you need to be able to recognise this kind of rubbish as soon as you see it. The killer line is this one :- "The sale price that i sell at is a fair one, and gives me a good profit margin to offer this bond." This miner toiling away mining all this megacyte and then handing all his profit to the General gotta be the dumbest miner ever.
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:59:00 - [207] You have all forgotten the masterstroke of this whole scheme! When the General comes back and starts paying everyone again and fixing his "computer problem" he will look like a hero and his offer will suddenly seem legit. That's when he rakes in the big bucks and can scam like he's never scammed before! Or you could go with the obvious, which is that he really does have a computer problem and EVE is not a high priority for him at the moment.
Linia Gallente Zaratha Zarati	Posted - 2009.09.24 15:56:00 - [208] Originally by: Mikael Genexi Or you could go with the obvious, which is that he really does have a computer problem and EVE is not a high priority for him at the moment. The words "so true" isnt nearly enough to express how true that statement is
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.25 00:45:00 - [209] Edited by: Koerner on 25/09/2009 00:48:13 /facepalm Holy crap! I can't believe what a blind fool I was for missing this. The evidence that this is a scam has been sitting on this board for pages, and I completely missed it. General released his API to the auditor, who then posted that General Newbold was being used solely to make payments to investors. Also, he posted that General Newbold had NO trade skills trained (which would include contracting). There it is, right there, staring us in the face. General Newbold is a complete "shell character"... like a "shell company." It is the EVE equivalent of renting office space somewhere for a fake company: you rent the space, get a telephone number with an answering machine, a website, and a public address listing. However, there are no actual employees in the business, no desks, no office materials. So that when the scam breaks, you simply stop making rent payments and walk away. If General Newbold has NO trade skills, it means he is a complete throw-away character. The scammer hasn't actually invested any time at all in training skills, because General Newbold (much like the fake office space), will be destroyed. If you are going to run a scam, and front the scame with an artificial character, are you going to bother wasting time training up any skills? specifically.. trade skills? Think about it... every legitimate BOND that has been listed and executed on these MD forums... were they handled by artificial characters without any skills trained?? Of course not, because anybody in legitimate business NEEDS the skills to execute the bond. The only reason to create a skill-less character is because the scammer has something to hide and no intention of using the character after completion of the scam. Ignoring everything else about this that "smelled fishy," this fact absolutely confirms in my mind, that this is (or was) a bonafide ponzi. (Edited for spelling)
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.25 01:08:00 - [210] The General was pretty up front, if you asked him, about not being a trader and having other characters & corporations doing the work for him. He also operated/communicated under the name Lord Newbold. No idea what skill set that toon has. Make of that what you wish but you have proven/solved/discovered/revealed nothing so far.
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.09.25 03:02:00 - [211] Originally by: Mikael Genexi You have all forgotten the masterstroke of this whole scheme! When the General comes back and starts paying everyone again and fixing his "computer problem" he will look like a hero and his offer will suddenly seem legit. That's when he rakes in the big bucks and can scam like he's never scammed before! Or you could go with the obvious, which is that he really does have a computer problem and EVE is not a high priority for him at the moment. Believe what you like. I know a lot of people that jointly have been waiting about 2000 years for some guy to come back and give them eternal life. Good luck with that. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.25 03:29:00 - [212] I'm quite sure most of the investors will be willing to write things off before 2000 years go by. I'm also quite sure that most of the investors will be willing to give the General a couple more days of slack before they begin to worry at all.
Steel Wraith	Posted - 2009.09.25 05:50:00 - [213] About the audit: Actually, I believe it was Lord Newbold who was said to not have any trade skills. The audit indicated General Newbold (full API access) sent all the isk to Lord Newbold (limited API access granted). Lord Newbold would then do his thing and eventually send enough isk back to General Newbold to make the interest payments when required. Occam's razor - the simplest explanation is "this is a scam."
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.25 06:58:00 - [214] Yes, Steel, you are correct, and I apologize for the error. Lord Newbold has no trade skills. We cannot say for certain whether General has any trade skills. However, considering that the auditor reports that General does nothing other than make payments transfered to him, we can still conclude that General does no trading. This is actually more damning than my intial conclusion. General serves no function, which still suggests that it is a disposable "shell." Additionally, now it stands to reason that Lord lacks any basic trading abilities.... begging the question, what is his function? Mikael - The question here isn't, "what is within the realm of possibility," but rather, "what is objectionably resonable?" Compare this bond to past bonds. Whereas, in other legitimate bonds, the character that fronts the bond is not a "throw away" character, meaning a character that has a skill set and a large time investment which the player intends to keep. Is it reasonable that this bond would function through a character (General), whose sole purpose is to post on this board, accept donations, and transfer that money to a seperate character (Lord)? Is it resonable, that the character which functions as the heart of the operation (Lord), would have no trade skills? Is it reasonable that a legitimate bond would require this many levels of cover? If you were going to execute a trade operation, would you go out of your way to set up a character whose sole purpose in the bond is to cover up who you are and what you are doing? There is simply no logical reason to set up a "cover" for a bond operation. However, it is absolutely necessary to have a "cover" for a scam. Because once the scam is complete, the character that executed the scam is essentially useless! If it was a widely successful scam, that character now has tons of trigger-happy enemies, a bounty, and can never be used in MD again. So... if you were going to pull off a scam, would you use your precious, highly trained, skill-invested character? Or would you select a worthless alt? Lastly, Mikael, consider the sudden "massive hardware failure" revelation. General reports that he has sudden massive hardware failure, locking him out of eve entirely for an indefinite amount of time. Why then, when players noticed he had disappeared, was he seen logging on and off several times in one day. "Massive hardware failure" would not allow him to log on and off at all. Furthermore, it is only after others begin to post about the noticed absence that General appears in MD to report the massive hardware failure. You may ask, "if this is in fact a scam, why report the massive hardware failure at all? Why not just disappear without a word?" Being as I havent encountered alot of these controversial types of scams before in MD (I'm relatively new), I can only guess at this. My guess is, he never intended for Lord Newbold to get out'ed. Remember, Lord only appeared on scene when the auditor read the transaction journals and saw that all the money was going to Lord. Since General never initially revealed Lord, my guess is that he never intended for Lord to get sucked into it. Now he has to scuttle both General and Lord, which he can do together in one swoop with "massive hardware failure." By the way, logging on and off a whole bunch one day before suddenly disappearing is consistent with someone cleaning out their assets and transfering everything over to a new account. Mikael, as before, I cannot completely prove right now that this is a scam. That kind of evidence cannot possibly be aquired. However, what I can point to are alot of things General/Lord said and did that don't make sense. One red flag is not a show-stopper, and can be explained. A whole bunch of red flags, however, are about the best evidence anyone can gather within the limited means of an eve internet forum.
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.25 07:39:00 - [215] The operation required moving minerals from 0.0 space to high space. Using a character that would be traceable would likely result in a ganking of a Jump Freighter and a massive loss. So there was a reason for secrecy and it was reasonable within the context of the game. Frankly I'm surprised that anyone posts their ideas within the forums. Look at Brock and his Cap BPO project. I've certainly seen a lot more people copying that venture over the last couple of months in the Sell Forums to the point where he may be shutting it down. Again, speculate all you wish but until enough time has passed to show that the General is not returning you are just making a guess.
Tekota legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.09.25 09:00:00 - [216] Can't seem to stay away from this thread... Okies, I don't think General Newbold is a "throwaway" char as such - note that this doesn't necessarily mean I don't think he won't lose a minute's sleep by tarnishing it's rep. As far as I can tell General Newbold is the player's first main on their first account. Secondly, "Lord Newbold" was always blatantly obvious and I don't think he tried to hide him as such - I mean, you only have to check The General's corp and the CEO of the alliance he's in and it becomes pretty damn clear. Third, Teh General has or has at some time had, a lot of accounts. My count was four accounts at one point, I'll dig the threads out if anyone really needs (they may have been linked to earlier now I think of it). This does pee all over the "my only alts are" claim by GN earlier. Fourth, contrary to my initial belief I don't believe that a substantial proportion of the posted investors were alts of GN. It was in investigating this hypothesis that I stumbled across the General Salvage link, but I could find little evidence that strongly suggested any of the posted investors were GN alts. That's not to say that some aren't but I can be fairly certain in saying that a good chunk definitely aren't and the rest don't have any compelling evidence either way. Fifth, I'm holding off beating my little "I told you so" drum for now. Mainly because I've realised that so many of the investors are real and are doubtless feeling a little worried now. I'll give it another week; I've always been a highly vocal critic of this offering and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole but we're still in a window of time where it's possible that he is just telling the truth and this is one of those real life "stuff happens" situations which could be resolved.
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.25 11:22:00 - [217] Interesting stuff, Tekota. I don't want to seem like I place any great value on my own opinion here. These forums are nothing more than an interesting distraction to break up the monotony of a slow work day. Right or wrong, investors and commentors need not be ashamed. Everything here is just an educated guess. And whose to say how anyone should spend their isk. I funnel my trade profits into my corp for others to shoot things and get blown up. I'm sure many out there would balk at this as a waste. But it's how I enjoy playing this game, so I will continue to do so with a smile.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.25 15:38:00 - [218] Quote: Frankly I'm surprised that anyone posts their ideas within the forums. Look at Brock and his Cap BPO project. I've certainly seen a lot more people copying that venture over the last couple of months in the Sell Forums to the point where he may be shutting it down. Brock's problems don't come off because he shared an obvious plan, but because there's a vertical drop in capitals made, which will probably continue till the next expansion Sov mechanics are made completely clear. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.09.25 16:01:00 - [219] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Frankly I'm surprised that anyone posts their ideas within the forums. Look at Brock and his Cap BPO project. I've certainly seen a lot more people copying that venture over the last couple of months in the Sell Forums to the point where he may be shutting it down. Brock's problems don't come off because he shared an obvious plan, but because there's a vertical drop in capitals made, which will probably continue till the next expansion Sov mechanics are made completely clear. This. Researching and selling Capital BPOs is not exactly some top secret business plan; that's why it's ideal for an IPO. He can be completely transparent with his business without jeopardizing its success. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Lucien Cade	Posted - 2009.09.26 21:54:00 - [220] As "Teh Generals" biggest investor i felt it time to give my opinion. I am not one of his alts, I am in fact a main. That in the way I came back to eve with friends from another game, and decided to start again with them, rather than be 30m SP in front and cruising about in carriers and hacs while they mined veldspar in a noob ship. My older character has provided the isk, said character had a few bill going spare when I quit eve a couple of years ago. I used this isk to invest, keeping some back in case i got burned. What really really annoys me at this time is not the fact that 4 Billion isk just went up the swanney, but the way in which he signed off. I'm willing to believe that he did have system problems. I'm also willing to accept work comes first and he needs to plough some cash into getting it all fixed for work before he sorts out eve. Stuff happens and EvE is a game, and not real life. I went into this with my eye's open and full knowledge i could be about to get royally stitched up, so I will not be crying. What does annoy me is the manner in which he signed off. And if your reading this General, you should have at least appologised. And made some effort to promise your investors their cash back as soon as you are able to. The whole "Eve is not important to me at the moment" line should just as well have been, so long suckers im taking your money go get bent. The people who invested in you deserve at least a thanks and some half hearted promises or you just owning up to being a scam artist. Life goes on. I hope for all the investors this is just some pc problems that will get sorted out. I'm beginning to doubt it as the time he went "missing" is the precise time he was to pay me back the 4 Billion. Funny that is'nt it.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.27 03:03:00 - [221] If he cared about his investors he could've arranged a way to get their money back to them. Unless of course he hasn't got enough of it anymore. Even if this isn't a scam (it likely is) it is a careless way to treat ones investors. Even if he comes back and does manage to liquidate (hes not going to be able to make the interest anymore) and pay people back, his reputation has tanked. Good thing he's used a throw-away alt and played API games then... -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.29 17:05:00 - [222] For all who think this is a scam and the PC issue is a front please read the posted URL. Hope someone can help with this mother of a PC virus. Massive pc issue, where do i start!
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.09.29 21:52:00 - [223] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers For all who think this is a scam and the PC issue is a front please read the posted URL. Hope someone can help with this mother of a PC virus. Ok, so Einear, who I expected from reading this thread had no prior friendship with The G, you really really hope someone can help.... how did you find that post btw?
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.29 23:22:00 - [224] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Einear Lightfingers For all who think this is a scam and the PC issue is a front please read the posted URL. Hope someone can help with this mother of a PC virus. Ok, so Einear, who I expected from reading this thread had no prior friendship with The G, you really really hope someone can help.... how did you find that post btw? He's invested enough that he spent a lot of time searching through help forums on the Internet? And he really really wants it to not be a scam? Theres no way Newbold might know him or vise versa, after all Newbold didn't even bother posting a link himself for his investors. Who might be concerned enough about their iskies to get him some help. This is the thread that keeps on giving. Personally I'm waiting for him to come back to see what happens next. This is a killer cliffhanger. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Leon Dalmasca Gallente Dot.Inc Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 23:43:00 - [225] So is this still open for new investors? DO NOT click!
Koerner	Posted - 2009.09.30 09:05:00 - [226] What? No way! Now I think Lightfingers is IN on this. This is just waaaaaay too convenient. It has to be staged. Lightfingers loses money in an eve scam, so he spends HOURS AND HOURS of time pouring over tech support threads (how many thousands of these are there?) and just happens to stumble onto a thread by "knewbold"? Come on, what are the odds? Also, I return to my original problem with the "computer problems" excuse. Eve is an MMO! Computer problems don't preclude the option for returning the money. It's so easy to find a friend, install eve on his computer, and log in for all of 10 minutes. Or is "the General" the only computer geek in the world who doesnt have either a 2nd computer or friend with a computer? Most laptops can run eve nowadays. Anybody who plays Eve as seriously as General does (serious enough to organize a "bond") would have plans to return to the game, and would care about enough about his reputation to find another way to log on and end this "bond." This is just that final bit of deception to entertain the deceiver.
Steel Wraith	Posted - 2009.09.30 14:17:00 - [227] Edited by: Steel Wraith on 30/09/2009 14:18:21 Originally by: Leon Dalmasca So is this still open for new investors? Lol? I assume this is a joke but, for the sake of argument, you might have some luck buying up some of GN's debt from one of the investors, if you get a deal you think is worth it. Of course your isk probably is safest under the seat of your pops <pilot-seat>pit, like you say in the other thread. Edit: Silly filter.
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.30 15:45:00 - [228] Edited by: Einear Lightfingers on 30/09/2009 15:45:04 WOW that is amusing Koerner. Fact is that I joined the General's alliance and a link was provided through a close friend of his in alliance CEO mail. Koerner when you grow up and get a real life job you may understand that there are things that come before EVE. At 14 or 15 you can apparently pick a sure loser and have enough insight to see through an alt (not), you should skip high school and college and work for the NY Stock Exchange. At the rate you are calling individuals alts and scammers you will ascend to MD Elite in no time. Good Luck and f#@k off!
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:32:00 - [229] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers Edited by: Einear Lightfingers on 30/09/2009 15:45:04 WOW that is amusing Koerner. Fact is that I joined the General's alliance and a link was provided through a close friend of his in alliance CEO mail. Koerner when you grow up and get a real life job you may understand that there are things that come before EVE. At 14 or 15 you can apparently pick a sure loser and have enough insight to see through an alt (not), you should skip high school and college and work for the NY Stock Exchange. At the rate you are calling individuals alts and scammers you will ascend to MD Elite in no time. Good Luck and f#@k off! U mad? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:59:00 - [230] So let's see, RL evidence is produced and all the haters claim it is just further proof of the scam? Pathetic really.
flakeys Vanguard Frontiers Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.09.30 18:01:00 - [231] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers At the rate you are calling individuals alts and scammers you will ascend to MD Elite in no time. Good Luck and f#@k off! Regardless if the general does or does not scam in the end , this line here is SO SPOT ON i am allmost ****ing my pants.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.09.30 18:19:00 - [232] Edited by: Jin Nib on 30/09/2009 18:20:22 Originally by: Mikael Genexi So let's see, RL evidence is produced and all the haters claim it is just further proof of the scam? Pathetic really. Not really. Pointing out the rational shortfalls of a public offering does not make one a "hater." If you don't want criticism of your offering don't make it pubic, and if you do, make sure it's done right. I don't see why you're so upset that people are discussing it. The investors who were going to invest have already invested and the rest is just curiosity for how it turns out. In fact even if the investors did get turned off by Koerners supposition they couldn't do anything about it anyways. So again, why are you worried? The fact is, that even if it isn't a scam this is no way to treat investors. It isn't hard to get the money back to people. Indeed he is part of an alliance which could probably do it for him should he simply send them a list. Then he could pay back the alliance. That's simply one way among many that he could've chosen to repay investors. The careless indifference to investors and their money is what brings the flack to this thread. A person who doesn't care about money left in his care should hardly expect to be cared for in return. And such a person should certainly should not be running public investments. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.09.30 18:59:00 - [233] All that's left to do in this thread is for the perpetrator(s) of the scam to do some "damage control" posts to ensure that the final verdict remains open-ended so they can run their next scam in an acceptable climate...oh wait!
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.09.30 23:45:00 - [234] Jin Nib your posts on page 8 of this thread have been exact and spot on. I do wish the General to give updates and to lead us to believe that the issue is going to be resolved. The alliance that he and I are in does not support his investment opportunity, they actually want to get in to the investment without investing the required amount. They are also wardec'd at this very moment and until recently had very little or no success against the other corp. They have lost more than the initial ransom in assets and still have zero plans to get out of the dec and hope it runs its course. So the alliance refunding investors is not really an option. I've probably said more than I should, but felt that your posts deserved an appropriate response. Thank you for not flaming, but simply stating observations from an external view. The war continue...
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.10.01 02:02:00 - [235] All the "your wrong" and "I'm right" posts are irrelevent. The money is lost, so call it RL drama, SCAM, failure whatever,.... ISK is lost and no one will trust the guy again.
Katiana Swan	Posted - 2009.10.01 03:34:00 - [236] It's pretty obvious his HDD is messed up. Why not just buy another one? These days you can pick up a 250gb hard drive for next to nothing.
Mikael Genexi Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2009.10.01 05:39:00 - [237] Originally by: Katiana Swan It's pretty obvious his HDD is messed up. Why not just buy another one? These days you can pick up a 250gb hard drive for next to nothing. He said it was his work computer which means his work was on the HD. Not sure what you do for a living but if my work computer was borked, just buying a new HDD would not fix the problem. And worrying about EVE would be one of the last things I would be doing.
Koerner	Posted - 2009.10.01 08:55:00 - [238] Hey, Lightfingers, you're right, and I'm genuinely sorry for making that quip about you being involved. It was completely wrong for me to imply that you were somehow a scammer. I said that quickly off the cuff, failing to think before typing. Now, real or fake, I dont have a high opinion of the General at all. I wouldn't trust him for a second. I dont care if he is having actual computer problems... "real life" gets thrown around out here like it's the ultimate trump card. It's not. I dont care if you guys are just a bunch of people playing an internet game, I am not going to screw you, regardless. If I had borrowed a ton of isk, and was having sudden computer problems, I would find a couple hours over a two week period to install eve on a friend's computer and make it good as much as possible... even if I never played eve again. It's just not right to let other people get screwed and do nothign about it. As for my inovlvement in this thread... I genuinely despise scammers. I love competition, pirates, war decs, and low sec, but I hate cheaters and scam artists. Just today in fact, some jack@$$ tried to trick me into accepting a contract to sell a Dread Guristas Tower I had on auction. Of course, the contract was rigged and I would have both given him the tower and 1.3 billion. In my momentary sleep-deprived state I actually almost fell for it. But it was a waste of my time. Earn isk like everybody else in this game. Build stuff, trade stuff, shoot stuff, or piarate stuff. But these "risk-free" confidance and contract scams really **** me off.
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2009.10.01 11:31:00 - [239] im just glad I didnt invest, regardless of if it was a scam or not people who invested are not getting the isk they were promissed and there's a question as to if they ever will now. I appreciate that if may be having computer problem's but does he not have friends who can let him use a computer for a few mins to just post on this forum. He clearly has access to another computer with a net connection (if that tech forum post is indeed him). If this is a real issue then hes not handled his obligation to his investers well by at least updating them on his status. A computer playing up is hardly the end of the world after all (its not like hes in hospital or something serious not that I would wish that upon anyone). Ether way I only see you as having one thing to do, accept that you have been burned and move on. If he does come back then great you may see some isk back and its a bonus. If not then at least you have learnt a leason in being careful about those you invest in.
Mithrass	Posted - 2009.10.15 08:44:00 - [240] somehow, I think if his computer had problems and he needed it for work, he would have had it fixed a long time ago. so I wouldnt be expecting him to be explaining or repaying anytime soon...
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.15 09:26:00 - [241] He works in the IT business he says, so have I. How come there isnt a computer at work he could use? Just to log in here again, and saying; "everything will be ok, i fail at IT, but i will be back." I have never had a computer problem that lasted for DAYS, DAYS wtf? I have had a PC for 20 years now, and the only thing remotely close to this OP fail, was when i was 10 and accedently my whole HDD, and then it only took my a couple of hours to fix it. (Got help from a friends dad though) This scam is obvious. People defending him are either idiots or in on it.
Signore Kaeota Caldari Caelum Incognitum	Posted - 2009.10.15 09:38:00 - [242] Originally by: Mithrass somehow, I think if his computer had problems and he needed it for work, he would have had it fixed a long time ago. so I wouldnt be expecting him to be explaining or repaying anytime soon... LET IT DIE ALREADY! ffs, don't dig up 14 day old defected bonds just to post that you think it's defected. Seriously, think please. We're sorry, your talking has given us a headache - please wait five minutes. Regards; CCP. -_-_-_- I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for. -_-_-_
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.10.15 17:50:00 - [243] Originally by: Signore Kaeota Originally by: Mithrass somehow, I think if his computer had problems and he needed it for work, he would have had it fixed a long time ago. so I wouldnt be expecting him to be explaining or repaying anytime soon... LET IT DIE ALREADY! ffs, don't dig up 14 day old defected bonds just to post that you think it's defected. Seriously, think please. We're sorry, your talking has given us a headache - please wait five minutes. Regards; CCP. Lemme go ahead and bookmark this so I can prepare my "I told you so" speech in about 2 weeks. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2009.10.19 06:18:00 - [244] Well I guess it happens to all of us (or so I hope I am not the only one) and I truly have learned my lesson this time. I have had several personal email exchanges with the General and he lead me to believe the parts for his PC would be in over a week ago. Apparently, I fell for a scam. I didn't lose all my isk as I did get a few payments, but did lose a good part of it if he doesn't return which at this point I no longer expect him to. I was never one of his alts and truly feel stupid now for backing him for so long. Thank you and feel free to ridicule me MD Elite for my ignorance.
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.19 06:32:00 - [245] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers Well I guess it happens to all of us (or so I hope I am not the only one) and I truly have learned my lesson this time. I have had several personal email exchanges with the General and he lead me to believe the parts for his PC would be in over a week ago. Apparently, I fell for a scam. I didn't lose all my isk as I did get a few payments, but did lose a good part of it if he doesn't return which at this point I no longer expect him to. I was never one of his alts and truly feel stupid now for backing him for so long. Thank you and feel free to ridicule me MD Elite for my ignorance. Happends to most of us at some point who invest.Just don't ever put in more then you can afford to loose even if the person offering has a good reputation it means **** in here.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.10.19 06:50:00 - [246] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers Well I guess it happens to all of us (or so I hope I am not the only one) and I truly have learned my lesson this time. I have had several personal email exchanges with the General and he lead me to believe the parts for his PC would be in over a week ago. Apparently, I fell for a scam. I didn't lose all my isk as I did get a few payments, but did lose a good part of it if he doesn't return which at this point I no longer expect him to. I was never one of his alts and truly feel stupid now for backing him for so long. Thank you and feel free to ridicule me MD Elite for my ignorance. Good, and I hope you've learned your lesson. I was going to be honest and note that I hope you quit EVE, but that seems cruel. Still, I have no pity in me for your loss. It seems that you were all too eager to call out anyone who pointed out the obvious as a flamer or troll. Well, you gave the man some time, so enjoy the reward. And don't be so quick to treat more experienced people with disdain. You don't know everything, you haven't seen everything, and you are way, way too quick to become a fanatical supporter of someone. I still think you're Newbold's alt though. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Signore Kaeota Caldari Caelum Incognitum	Posted - 2009.10.19 07:32:00 - [247] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers Well I guess it happens to all of us (or so I hope I am not the only one) and I truly have learned my lesson this time. I have had several personal email exchanges with the General and he lead me to believe the parts for his PC would be in over a week ago. Apparently, I fell for a scam. I didn't lose all my isk as I did get a few payments, but did lose a good part of it if he doesn't return which at this point I no longer expect him to. I was never one of his alts and truly feel stupid now for backing him for so long. Thank you and feel free to ridicule me MD Elite for my ignorance. What page did you find this on, and why were you looking at that page? -_-_-_- I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for. -_-_-_
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.10.19 07:50:00 - [248] Originally by: Frenden Dax I still think you're Newbold's alt though. For what it's worth, Einear has since then invested in my bond too. Go figure.
Signore Kaeota Caldari Caelum Incognitum	Posted - 2009.10.19 09:08:00 - [249] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Frenden Dax I still think you're Newbold's alt though. For what it's worth, Einear has since then invested in my bond too. Go figure. you must be Newbold! -_-_-_- I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for. -_-_-_
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.19 09:10:00 - [250] Originally by: Signore Kaeota Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Frenden Dax I still think you're Newbold's alt though. For what it's worth, Einear has since then invested in my bond too. Go figure. you must be Newbold! The trolling is becoming easy to predict.On a sidenote i also invested in cista ... so then clearly cista is my alt .. or general is my alt ... but i am info specialsts alt ... confusing
Signore Kaeota Caldari Caelum Incognitum	Posted - 2009.10.19 09:16:00 - [251] Originally by: flakeys The trolling is becoming easy to predict.On a sidenote i also invested in cista ... so then clearly cista is my alt .. or general is my alt ... but i am info specialsts alt ... confusing I too invested in Cista - and openly accepted an invitation to be her alt... wait, then I must be newbold! Man, I need to stop talking to myself in that case... -_-_-_- I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for. -_-_-_
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.19 09:18:00 - [252] Originally by: Signore Kaeota Originally by: flakeys The trolling is becoming easy to predict.On a sidenote i also invested in cista ... so then clearly cista is my alt .. or general is my alt ... but i am info specialsts alt ... confusing I too invested in Cista - and openly accepted an invitation to be her alt... wait, then I must be newbold! Man, I need to stop talking to myself in that case... Did i just type this? ow man my brains hurt
Taram Caldar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:27:00 - [253] Omy... people invested in this? Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
SetrakDark	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:07:00 - [254] Originally by: Frenden Dax I still think you're Newbold's alt though. Agreed.
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:10:00 - [255] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Frenden Dax I still think you're Newbold's alt though. Agreed. I think you are Setrakdark's alt
Leana Darkrider Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:48:00 - [256] hehe, this thread was amusing. pitty for all that have invested in this. Better luck next time oh yeah, something pops into my mind. "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" ______________________________________ If only EVE could cook, if only....
B1ade Amarr The Merchant's Expedition Society	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:37:00 - [257] IÆm shocked this is still rattling on, if you look back a fair few pages ago I vouched for the general :) well I was in his corp / alliance, and to be honest I had to leave because of lack of activity, all got a bit boring after I got home from a holiday, but I have to say despite having his rl email I have not bothered to message him, but I may just to put all this to rest does seem to be naysayers rubbing their proverbial balls in it I told you so style, which to be honest isnÆt true or fair, but there you go, I will endeavour to get a reply in a couple of days :) ============================================ =Fortune Favours The Bold= ============================================
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:34:00 - [258] Originally by: B1ade IÆm shocked this is still rattling on, if you look back a fair few pages ago I vouched for the general :) well I was in his corp / alliance, and to be honest I had to leave because of lack of activity, all got a bit boring after I got home from a holiday, but I have to say despite having his rl email I have not bothered to message him, but I may just to put all this to rest does seem to be naysayers rubbing their proverbial balls in it I told you so style, which to be honest isnÆt true or fair, but there you go, I will endeavour to get a reply in a couple of days :) You know the next reply will be that you are an alt of the general right?
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:28:00 - [259] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: B1ade IÆm shocked this is still rattling on, if you look back a fair few pages ago I vouched for the general :) well I was in his corp / alliance, and to be honest I had to leave because of lack of activity, all got a bit boring after I got home from a holiday, but I have to say despite having his rl email I have not bothered to message him, but I may just to put all this to rest does seem to be naysayers rubbing their proverbial balls in it I told you so style, which to be honest isnÆt true or fair, but there you go, I will endeavour to get a reply in a couple of days :) You know the next reply will be that you are an alt of the general right? Negative. The next reply will be about tasty sausage. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:38:00 - [260] Originally by: Dzil Originally by: flakeys Originally by: B1ade IÆm shocked this is still rattling on, if you look back a fair few pages ago I vouched for the general :) well I was in his corp / alliance, and to be honest I had to leave because of lack of activity, all got a bit boring after I got home from a holiday, but I have to say despite having his rl email I have not bothered to message him, but I may just to put all this to rest does seem to be naysayers rubbing their proverbial balls in it I told you so style, which to be honest isnÆt true or fair, but there you go, I will endeavour to get a reply in a couple of days :) You know the next reply will be that you are an alt of the general right? Negative. The next reply will be about tasty sausage. i endorse this product
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.11.03 15:29:00 - [261] Originally by: B1ade IÆm shocked this is still rattling on, if you look back a fair few pages ago I vouched for the general :) well I was in his corp / alliance, and to be honest I had to leave because of lack of activity, all got a bit boring after I got home from a holiday, but I have to say despite having his rl email I have not bothered to message him, but I may just to put all this to rest does seem to be naysayers rubbing their proverbial balls in it I told you so style, which to be honest isnÆt true or fair, but there you go, I will endeavour to get a reply in a couple of days :) Say, not to rub my proverbial balls in it or anything, but any updates? Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.11.03 15:44:00 - [262] Edited by: SetrakDark on 03/11/2009 15:44:59 Originally by: Dzil Say, not to rub my proverbial balls in it or anything, but any updates? It's probably safe to give those proverbial balls free rein. Enjoy the rubbing.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.02 20:39:00 - [263] Lest we forget
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.02 20:59:00 - [264] Originally by: SetrakDark Lest we forget Thanks for that. Missed this the first time around as I was just returning to Eve. Gives Davramm's thread some light.
SiJira	Posted - 2009.12.10 22:22:00 - [265] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Einear Lightfingers Well I guess it happens to all of us (or so I hope I am not the only one) and I truly have learned my lesson this time. I have had several personal email exchanges with the General and he lead me to believe the parts for his PC would be in over a week ago. Apparently, I fell for a scam. I didn't lose all my isk as I did get a few payments, but did lose a good part of it if he doesn't return which at this point I no longer expect him to. I was never one of his alts and truly feel stupid now for backing him for so long. Thank you and feel free to ridicule me MD Elite for my ignorance. Happends to most of us at some point who invest.Just don't ever put in more then you can afford to loose even if the person offering has a good reputation it means **** in here. there are two problems that feed scammers one is that people dont want to fly small ships because they feel insignificant and they need isk and two is that they dont want to be trading all week to die a few times on the weekend t2 titans incoming Sigs need to contain only EVE related content. Zymurgist
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2009.12.11 07:36:00 - [266] Why is this thread back? Wow. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
ratamnimb	Posted - 2010.01.08 18:39:00 - [267] Originally by: General Newbold Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:58:46 Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:49:14 Edited by: General Newbold on 23/08/2009 11:39:27 Hi, Thanks for reading this thread, Feel free to convo me for more details Who am I and what do I do! I am General Newbold, I am mainly a industrial player, but about 3 weeks ago I was in the right place at the right time and things took off hugely for me! I have a contract to purchase a large (practially uncapped) amount of megacyte at a very low price, which i have a arranged sale price to sell to another corp for, I also sell excess on the market (although atm there isnt any), I have also upped this to buying from another source, hense me asking for reinvestment The hauling is taken care of by a 3rd party hauling corp, so i have no risk with transport as collateral is provided The sale price that i sell at is a fair one, and gives me a good profit margin to offer this bond. Why am I doing this Simple, At the moment i dont like all of my isk tied up in sales/buy orders or contracts. I like to have spare isk so i can play eve as i usually would. What Am i Looking for/Bond details Im looking for a group of investors to invest in this venture, The minimum investment is 500m with the total amount uncapped for the time being. This will payout as 5% weekly, with a 3 week cancellation policy from both parties, (during cancellation period interest will still be paid) All interest will be paid out on a Sunday unless i am away, and then it will be the following day. The interest is such because it is a slow earner for me, so the longer people stay in,. the more we all profit! This is a rolling bond, so will be ongoing until you "cancel" upon all isk will be returned in 21 days Why Invest/Why trust me with your isk?? I have a previous bond with EXACTLY the same terms, which is posted here Feedback I had some people on a 3 week contract and some on a rolling contract, and i wanted to reopen the bond totally as a rolling contract, to make things easier for me, as i didnt want to miss a payout - this way its not possible for me to do so The trust issue is a large one for most people, but i have already got this bond up and running so there is current feedback, most of which were paid out early, also feel free to convo any of my investors Summary Uncapped investment amount (there is going to be a ceiling, but until I hit it it is unknown, as mining limits havent been hit yet and i keep finding other sources) Minimum investment - 500m Interest - Weekly 5% Cancellation - 3 Week Notice period by either party, Interest will still be paid(therefore this bond can go on for a long time!) To invest post here and wait for a convo or mail from me, as i dont want to miss payments going in Scam.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2010.01.08 22:40:00 - [268] lol Black Sun Empire
Alty VonAltenstein	Posted - 2010.01.09 04:31:00 - [269] It just never dies
Varnik	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:55:00 - [270] General seems to be logged on...
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2010.01.13 21:39:00 - [271] I backed the wrong pony. Got caught defending my bet for a while. In the end my pony lost. Yep he's back and not accepting convos or answering mails. I got scammed. Like most I have made my money back and then some. It happens... Invested in Cista2, made good profits on that too... I must be one of the General's Alts.... LOL
Dzil Caldari Greyhound investments	Posted - 2010.01.13 22:55:00 - [272] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers I backed the wrong pony. Got caught defending my bet for a while. In the end my pony lost. Yep he's back and not accepting convos or answering mails. I got scammed. Like most I have made my money back and then some. It happens... Invested in Cista2, made good profits on that too... I must be one of the General's Alts.... LOL You wind up vested in a lot of risky investments. Whatever floats your boat, though the IRS would have declared it a hobby by now. Are you one of Newbold's alts? Meh, we all know there's no proving you're not somebody else in EVE. Even CCP can't force you to maintain the same credit cards and IP addresses. What I can say is every scam needs someone like you to invest to actually get anywhere. A recognizable name willing to put his money on a less secure investment, to intice the bandwagon effect. Soon rational calculation slides to gamblin' man cowboy, and the isk rolls out based on how smoothly the conman presented his little masquerade. If you are legit, congrats on filling that vital role in the scam portfolio. But it's interesting that if you weren't around, you'd leave a con artist to create a fake persona just like you in order to fulfill that piece of the scam. Someone's got to be first, and not just a faceless alt, and a good planner wouldn't leave that to chance. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Bret Caliaro Fortuna inc. Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.13 23:00:00 - [273] Originally by: Einear Lightfingers I backed the wrong pony. Got caught defending my bet for a while. In the end my pony lost. Yep he's back and not accepting convos or answering mails. I got scammed. Like most I have made my money back and then some. It happens... Invested in Cista2, made good profits on that too... I must be one of the General's Alts.... LOL unlucky bud but glad it's not slowed you down, tbh I don't think I'm brave enough to invest in MD, haha! _________________________________________________ I'm a so very lazy, so I play smart not hard.
Einear Lightfingers	Posted - 2010.01.14 01:01:00 - [274] Dzil, unfortunately I was not planning on a bust. I had recently gotten screwed by DBank and zigged when I should have zagged. To make matters worse I am quoted all over the thread for backing a bad pony when I hoped he would return and fix his issues which in personal email exchanges he said he had planned to do. That in itself makes me look bad for further believing a scammer. Since this tragedy I have taken one more investment, Cista2. Not wanting to get screwed again I sold 10 shares immediately to make back my initial investment. Now all payments coming from that investment are pure profit. If she decides to go rogue I am out absolutely nothing. Not that I expect her to do so. If any thing between DBank and this I have learned a lifetime of spaceship games experience in investing and what to say and what not to say in the forums. I now measure every thread in this forum and talk myself out of investing. I have legit partner now who is interested in trying to do an IPO, but worried that my past experience on this forum will hurt our cause. Thank you again and have some waffles on me.

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