Originally by: Ahistaja

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at last, the final solution is at hand and goons will be victorious


also Hybrid Stigmata is a p. cool dimmu borgir tune, way to play lots of metal all the time i'm sure the chicks love it

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Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition

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It is like this every year, then September comes and something changes, like last year Goons losing 90% of its land, TCF getting humilated and moving north, just wait a few weeks things will change.

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Originally by: Space Cowboi

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This is GAME

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Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition

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Originally by: Space Cowboi

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This is GAME

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Goons
Aligning,
Majority of
Eden

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Originally by: Master Mnemosyne

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Maybe DUST will fix this, maybe CCP can find some other way of encouraging people to keep playing this game. But without heroes and villains and wars of 10,000 player coaliions, there isn't much reason to keep logging in each day.

Eve is dying. Both powerblocks are sitting on their hands waiting for the other to make the first move. Meanwhile their players stop logging in.

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Originally by: Barak Tor

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confirming that 0.0 pvp is dead, there are no fights to be had.

Its 100% static

no roams

no fleet fights

everyone is blue and we mine and run pirate missions and rat together

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Originally by: Dynast

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Originally by: Master Mnemosyne

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Maybe DUST will fix this, maybe CCP can find some other way of encouraging people to keep playing this game. But without heroes and villains and wars of 10,000 player coaliions, there isn't much reason to keep logging in each day.

Eve is dying. Both powerblocks are sitting on their hands waiting for the other to make the first move. Meanwhile their players stop logging in.

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For most players, the game isn't in null sec. Something like nine in ten players do other things, and most of them care only peripherally about 0.0 goings-on. Most of them don't read the boards or care about board-spam either, and don't have anything to do with major alliance "heroes and villains".. they're their own heroes, and their villains are the can-flippers, freelance salvagers, and war-deccers.

PLEX/timecode prices were inflated and are adjusting naturally to fall in line with the actual demand for their use, as upwards speculation has run it's course for now. There's actually a dev blog regarding this.

Your case for the iminent demise of EVE is not compelling.

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Originally by: Artarius Bourn

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Hey our unknown, no good, lousy, lazy alliance just lost the last non goon system in delve. Everything has changed, this is like bigger news than Brittney spears eating one of her kids, True Story.

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Can I have your stuff?

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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver

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what you say about 0.0 is true.

but eve has a large empire player base. large enough to still be profitable for ccp.

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Originally by: MoonsOverMyHammy

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0.0 is run by the same oligarchy that has run it since sov was implemented only the alliance names have changed sorry

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Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition

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Originally by: Space Cowboi

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This is GAME

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Goons
Aligning,
Majority of
Eden

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Originally by: Proxay

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I'm off to play PotBS

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Originally by: Phreeze

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Just in time too, once the napfest conquers all of 0.0, we can all quit and go play The Old Republic.

Russians will be sith ofc (you are evil ) NC will be high-minded jedi because we are gay, and goons will be bounty hunters running around killing everything.

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Originally by: The Ice

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Edited by: The Ice on 26/08/2009 10:39:01
Edited by: The Ice on 26/08/2009 10:38:05
EVE not just a simple game..:)
Its much much more...Its a live form...:D

Thats why i never finish it..:)

TASE <3
RL pictures
RL pictures Part II

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Originally by: The Ice

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EVE not just a simple game..:)
Its much much more...Its a live form...:D

Thats why i never finish it..:)

TASE <3
RL pictures
RL pictures Part II

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Originally by: YChin Mei

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Originally by: The Ice

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EVE not just a simple game..:)
Its much much more...Its a live form...:D

Thats why i never finish it..:)

TASE <3
RL pictures
RL pictures Part II

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Awww mate, what have you done :D
But I agree my friend. Several tough years passed by and I am still playing EVE with these ugly guys ;) No worries here about the game's future either.
<3 TASE, <3 lolAtlas

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Originally by: Gunship

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They are just all waiting for the next bob, so they can band waggon together as good goon pets. Ohh how very sad and right you are. Now if CCP made it impossible for alliances to have more than 1 or 2 naps, perhaps then it would generate a bit more fighting?

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Originally by: Artarius Bourn

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Hey our unknown, no good, lousy, lazy alliance just lost the last non goon system in delve. Everything has changed, this is like bigger news than Brittney spears eating one of her kids, True Story.

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Originally by: Master Mnemosyne

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So for a long time EVE has defied MMO trends and continued to increase its subscriber base. This is, of course, because the players (and to some extent the devs) have been creating new content.

But EVE today, at least 0.0 EVE, is largely static. For the past 2 or 3 months, after the collapse of Kenny, nothing significant has changed on the sov map. A few minor alliances (looking at you IRC) have fail cascaded, the drone Russians have taken a few more systems, CVA has dropped some more stations, the NC has added a few more blues.

But nothing significant has changed; there have been no backstabs, no compromising spy leaks, not even any game-changing battles (there have been a few large cap battles, but thanks to the resources available to the alliances involved in said battles, the impact was actually slight).

I took a look at the recruitment forums today, and noticed that there were virtually no 0.0 alliances recruiting. A few unimportant NPC groups (like Blade.) were looking for fresh blood, and a few of the bottom tier pets were trying to expand their tax base. But there were none of posts I used to see during the Delve war, with Bob pets and NC pets all clamouring for new players.

The character bazaar, usually turning over pages at a breakneck pace, was moving sluggishly. Posts from yesterday could be seen on the front page. Few auctions had more than one or two bids.

And in a final testament to this malaise, timecode prices have evidently dropped almost a hundred mil from their high.

Maybe DUST will fix this, maybe CCP can find some other way of encouraging people to keep playing this game. But without heroes and villains and wars of 10,000 player coaliions, there isn't much reason to keep logging in each day.

Eve is dying. Both powerblocks are sitting on their hands waiting for the other to make the first move. Meanwhile their players stop logging in.

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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A new server would be fun. Starting from scratch with a fresh market and vacant 0.0. But I doubt CCP has the resources to pull that off and make it work without losing a lot of money. So as time goes by, the chances are less and less.

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Originally by: Master Mnemosyne

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So for a long time EVE has defied MMO trends and continued to increase its subscriber base. This is, of course, because the players (and to some extent the devs) have been creating new content.

But EVE today, at least 0.0 EVE, is largely static. For the past 2 or 3 months, after the collapse of Kenny, nothing significant has changed on the sov map. A few minor alliances (looking at you IRC) have fail cascaded, the drone Russians have taken a few more systems, CVA has dropped some more stations, the NC has added a few more blues.

But nothing significant has changed; there have been no backstabs, no compromising spy leaks, not even any game-changing battles (there have been a few large cap battles, but thanks to the resources available to the alliances involved in said battles, the impact was actually slight).

I took a look at the recruitment forums today, and noticed that there were virtually no 0.0 alliances recruiting. A few unimportant NPC groups (like Blade.) were looking for fresh blood, and a few of the bottom tier pets were trying to expand their tax base. But there were none of posts I used to see during the Delve war, with Bob pets and NC pets all clamouring for new players.

The character bazaar, usually turning over pages at a breakneck pace, was moving sluggishly. Posts from yesterday could be seen on the front page. Few auctions had more than one or two bids.

And in a final testament to this malaise, timecode prices have evidently dropped almost a hundred mil from their high.

Maybe DUST will fix this, maybe CCP can find some other way of encouraging people to keep playing this game. But without heroes and villains and wars of 10,000 player coaliions, there isn't much reason to keep logging in each day.

Eve is dying. Both powerblocks are sitting on their hands waiting for the other to make the first move. Meanwhile their players stop logging in.

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Originally by: Gunship

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They are just all waiting for the next bob, so they can band waggon together as good goon pets. Ohh how very sad and right you are. Now if CCP made it impossible for alliances to have more than 1 or 2 naps, perhaps then it would generate a bit more fighting?

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Originally by: Sasha Black

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Eve will never die as long as there are no better spacey MMO's to play. When a serious competitor does eventually come along CCP better fix the longstanding issues of:

Titans
Jump Bridges
Size of universe
Lack of content and exceptionally boring non player generated content
Dumbing down of the game - mostly pvp (boosters and heat donÆt compensate for nano nerf)

We know it - they better know it

Tik Tok

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Originally by: Gunship

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They are just all waiting for the next bob, so they can band waggon together as good goon pets. Ohh how very sad and right you are. Now if CCP made it impossible for alliances to have more than 1 or 2 naps, perhaps then it would generate a bit more fighting?

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Originally by: The Ice

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Edited by: The Ice on 26/08/2009 10:39:01
Edited by: The Ice on 26/08/2009 10:38:05
EVE not just a simple game..:)
Its much much more...Its a live form...:D

Thats why i never finish it..:)

TASE <3
RL pictures
RL pictures Part II

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Originally by: Master Mnemosyne

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Eve is dying. Both powerblocks are sitting on their hands waiting for the other to make the first move. Meanwhile their players stop logging in.

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Originally by: Midjutetur

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Originally by: The Ice

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Edited by: The Ice on 26/08/2009 10:39:01
Edited by: The Ice on 26/08/2009 10:38:05
EVE not just a simple game..:)
Its much much more...Its a live form...:D

Thats why i never finish it..:)

TASE <3
RL pictures
RL pictures Part II

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there's something very wrong with the pictures, most of you don't look like the avrg eve nerds

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Originally by: Midjutetur

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are you saying you dress up and shave for paintball/something in nature with males?

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Originally by: Master Mnemosyne

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A few unimportant NPC groups (like Blade.) were looking for fresh blood, and a few of the bottom tier pets were trying to expand their tax base. But there were none of posts I used to see during the Delve war, with Bob pets and NC pets all clamouring for new players.

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Originally by: Kilted'Coyote

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Remove local

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Originally by: Diehard Si

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Originally by: Kilted'Coyote

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Remove local

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^ this is what has been needed for YEARS

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Originally by: Kilted'Coyote

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Remove local

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Originally by: Lag Generator

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Originally by: Kilted'Coyote

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Remove local

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I agree. Macrobotting with directional scan automation and/or cloaked scouts at every gate should be the only way to make money in 0.0.

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Originally by: Kilted'Coyote

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Remove local

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Originally by: Kilted'Coyote

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Remove local

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Originally by: Noobious

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Even if all of you guys quit playing this game,i will be the last one to turn off the light,i invest way to many years in this game just to quit like this.I still find something to do,is true that is not so fun like in the first days when we help each other with 5mil isk for a skill,and have a party for every kill but i still do things in this game.I made a lot of RL friends thanks to this game,even friends who i never see them in RL but i can fell that we know each other way back.
My point is that I took and give a lot to this game in this last years,and i hope this game,this community will be with me for many years on,sure a lot of thinks changed and more will do but i still find it best online game atm.

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Originally by: Aditia Holdem

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IMO The only game mechanic that endangers the game is doomsdays. Many potentially very fun fights don't even happen because of the threat of doomsdays, which imo is ret@rded for a game. And yes, I know titans have been dieing at an increased pace, giving some players in the game that ultimate kick of killing a titan, but I doubt this offsets the crippling impact that doomsdays have on the game. Just nerf or remove them from the game already.

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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too bad it's ex-kenny people suggesting titan nerfs. you guys should seriously post this stuff on alts (and not on caod) because you're just gonna get crapped on as extraordinarily hypocritical doing it like this

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Originally by: Dreez

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What i want is for each and every pilot
to experience the fun of a 1-2 hour fleetfight, with no fear of a titan DD or Hotdrop, just slugging
it out at a gate somewhere. And no matter if you win or lose, you will have enjoyed the fight.

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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too bad it's ex-kenny people suggesting titan nerfs. you guys should seriously post this stuff on alts (and not on caod) because you're just gonna get crapped on as extraordinarily hypocritical doing it like this

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Too bad isn't it.. I've always posted from my own opinion and i have always wanted what is
best for the game and PvPers. Anything making life easier for the carebears isn't in my interest
since EVE is first and foremost a PvP-game. Want to carebear in peace?, play WoW.

All i want, is the old EVE back where good fleetfights was as regular as the sun rising and setting
every day. To day, EVE is filled with forum-warriors and pilots who measures their competence
by how many killmails they have after the day is gone. What i want is for each and every pilot
to experience the fun of a 1-2 hour fleetfight, with no fear of a titan DD or Hotdrop, just slugging
it out at a gate somewhere. And no matter if you win or lose, you will have enjoyed the fight.

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Aditia Holdem

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IMO The only game mechanic that endangers the game is doomsdays. Many potentially very fun fights don't even happen because of the threat of doomsdays, which imo is ret@rded for a game. And yes, I know titans have been dieing at an increased pace, giving some players in the game that ultimate kick of killing a titan, but I doubt this offsets the crippling impact that doomsdays have on the game. Just nerf or remove them from the game already.

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This man/woman speaks the truth. CCP failed at Titans, as well as the POS-war. 0.0warfare is dead
and only NAPSTERS remains.

Bring back the old EVE. Survival of the strongest, not the one with most NAP's.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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Yeah. Wrecking your **** with a DD is more fun though. Thanks for playing

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Originally by: Phreeze

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Yes, and BoB created people like me.

I was just chillin in Tenal with my Gurista homies, and then you had to upset me.

How did that work out for you again?

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Phreeze

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Yeah. Wrecking your **** with a DD is more fun though. Thanks for playing

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It's players like you who are destroying the game, players we don't want OR need.

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

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It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

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It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

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It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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Originally by: Reapeat Offender

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

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It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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Just curious. How did alliances ever hold space before the current Sov system was put in place? I mean, alliances somehow managed to hold space before Sov 3 cyno jammers & jump bridges and Sov 4 constellation Sov was added to game. I seem to recall that we threw you guys out of DG earlier this year after Sov was removed through the efforts a spy and we did a pretty good job of defending our space in Teneriffs and Detorid against you guys back in 2007.(long before all the new Sov mechanics were added to the game)

It should actually be an embarassment to your horrible former alliance that they folded up so quickly and lost that much space in in such a short period time simply because they didn't have relatively newly introduced Sov mechanics to prop up them up.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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Originally by: Dreez

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What i want is for each and every pilot
to experience the fun of a 1-2 hour fleetfight, with no fear of a titan DD or Hotdrop, just slugging
it out at a gate somewhere. And no matter if you win or lose, you will have enjoyed the fight.

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Yeah. Wrecking your **** with a DD is more fun though. Thanks for playing

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

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It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

---

It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

---

It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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welp, here we go


~never stop camping PR-8CA~

i heard goons camped kengoku in a straight fight, c/d

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Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

---

It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

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welp, here we go


~never stop camping PR-8CA~

i heard goons camped kengoku in a straight fight, c/d

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By Goons, you mean KIA, SoT, PL, Razor, MM, Zaf, TCF yeah?, Goons barely did anything but sit in rifters (max of 2 who ended up dying AFK ftw) at the Nol gate, only people in stations never got out, no biggy.

I like how you take all the credit considering you did the least effort, you didnt even set up the bubbles, I think that was PL / SoT, what exactly other than pressing a button and spam did you guys do btw? Also what exactly are you doing now that doesnt involve spamming / trolling?

As I have said many times, Goons are insignificant and will be dead in the next few months anyway, no one finds them a threat and no one really cares much for them, apparantly not even their allies by the looks of things :P

Querious was left to NC and at the time PL went to play with puppetmasters you guys barely got anything done, I think it has been proven time and time again which alliances did something, and having a name on the sov map doesnt mean you did all or even 10% of the work, it just means you have the most (not all, your 'allies' need moons too you know) moons in the system :P

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Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Originally by: Dreez

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Funny, you guys said the same about us long before Titans ever existed.
And then you went on to fully exploit every aspect of a broken ship that was way overpowered, but still you lost.

Karma's a *****, eh?

---

It was CCP's failure in developing ALLIANCE SECURITY which gave you the victory served on
a silverplatter. Don't take credit for something you didn't contribute in. If our alliance hadn't
been wrongfully removed due to CCP's ****up, BoB would still be around, kicking your ass.

The funny thing is that CCP is probably more happy then you are that BoB is gone because
they don't have to listen to the accusations of being in bed with BoB anymore.

---

welp, here we go


~never stop camping PR-8CA~

i heard goons camped kengoku in a straight fight, c/d

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By Goons, you mean KIA, SoT, PL, Razor, MM, Zaf, TCF yeah?, Goons barely did anything but sit in rifters (max of 2 who ended up dying AFK ftw) at the Nol gate, only people in stations never got out, no biggy.

I like how you take all the credit considering you did the least effort, you didnt even set up the bubbles, I think that was PL / SoT, what exactly other than pressing a button and spam did you guys do btw? Also what exactly are you doing now that doesnt involve spamming / trolling?

As I have said many times, Goons are insignificant and will be dead in the next few months anyway, no one finds them a threat and no one really cares much for them, apparantly not even their allies by the looks of things :P

Querious was left to NC and at the time PL went to play with puppetmasters you guys barely got anything done, I think it has been proven time and time again which alliances did something, and having a name on the sov map doesnt mean you did all or even 10% of the work, it just means you have the most (not all, your 'allies' need moons too you know) moons in the system :P

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Originally by: Phreeze

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Yes, and BoB created people like me.

I was just chillin in Tenal with my Gurista homies, and then you had to upset me.

How did that work out for you again?

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Originally by: MoonsOverMyHammy

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Snot I'm going to blow it all open, yes the terrible secret of space I am going to open you up to:

we know all that already, and we are fine with it. We were installed in the east by Red Alliance and the Russians, and installed in Delve by NC and PL.

And we don't care one bit.

sorry

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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There are only 2 serious problems with eve right now:

1. Dread fleet combat is a boring numbers game that does not allow for innovation or skill, primarily due to the fact that they can't move, or be repped while in siege.

2. Conquering space is so tedious that once you have space, you don't typically want more.

The 2 issues above are what generate napfests more than anything else. Conquering space is so boring that bringing 5000 friends is the only way to make it bearable because it goes faster. And large capfights are all about numbers, so even the worst carebear alliances can hold their own against the best PvP alliances as long as they have equal number of dreads on the field and know how to focus fire.

That being said, EVE is far from dead.

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Originally by: Snot Shot

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tears

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Originally by: Diehard Si

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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There are only 2 serious problems with eve right now:

1. Dread fleet combat is a boring numbers game that does not allow for innovation or skill, primarily due to the fact that they can't move, or be repped while in siege.

2. Conquering space is so tedious that once you have space, you don't typically want more.

The 2 issues above are what generate napfests more than anything else. Conquering space is so boring that bringing 5000 friends is the only way to make it bearable because it goes faster. And large capfights are all about numbers, so even the worst carebear alliances can hold their own against the best PvP alliances as long as they have equal number of dreads on the field and know how to focus fire.

That being said, EVE is far from dead.

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Add titans to that list.

Its just crap when you cna get about 1,000 people ready for a fight to be ended by 3 people pressing 1 button and wiping most of them out.

so the way to avoid it is to go for small gang warfare, which CCP choses to nerf at every available opportunity.

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Originally by: Snot Shot

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Originally by: MoonsOverMyHammy

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Snot I'm going to blow it all open, yes the terrible secret of space I am going to open you up to:

we know all that already, and we are fine with it. We were installed in the east by Red Alliance and the Russians, and installed in Delve by NC and PL.

And we don't care one bit.

sorry

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No need to be sorry about it......just don't take credit for it since goonies had very little to do with it thats all.

What you can take credit for is how much better you made EVE..... These last 4 months that you have "unloaded" on us have been some of the greatest times ever... Don't get me wrong, you were installed as the janitors of Delve, but since then the toilet that is the goonie mantra, has been backing up all over us with no end in sight.... We are all now neck deep in your "fun" and patiently waiting for it to end...

And yes, we all know that you don't care that your ruining "our game", thanks for that..

In before u mad, EVE is far from dead, and everyone is just horrible at this game....


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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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There are only 2 serious problems with eve right now:

1. Dread fleet combat is a boring numbers game that does not allow for innovation or skill, primarily due to the fact that they can't move, or be repped while in siege.

2. Conquering space is so tedious that once you have space, you don't typically want more.

The 2 issues above are what generate napfests more than anything else. Conquering space is so boring that bringing 5000 friends is the only way to make it bearable because it goes faster. And large capfights are all about numbers, so even the worst carebear alliances can hold their own against the best PvP alliances as long as they have equal number of dreads on the field and know how to focus fire.

That being said, EVE is far from dead.

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Originally by: Diehard Si

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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There are only 2 serious problems with eve right now:

1. Dread fleet combat is a boring numbers game that does not allow for innovation or skill, primarily due to the fact that they can't move, or be repped while in siege.

2. Conquering space is so tedious that once you have space, you don't typically want more.

The 2 issues above are what generate napfests more than anything else. Conquering space is so boring that bringing 5000 friends is the only way to make it bearable because it goes faster. And large capfights are all about numbers, so even the worst carebear alliances can hold their own against the best PvP alliances as long as they have equal number of dreads on the field and know how to focus fire.

That being said, EVE is far from dead.

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Add titans to that list.

Its just crap when you cna get about 1,000 people ready for a fight to be ended by 3 people pressing 1 button and wiping most of them out.

so the way to avoid it is to go for small gang warfare, which CCP choses to nerf at every available opportunity.

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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It could've been 10 stealth bombers instead and the effect would have been teh same.

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Originally by: Snot Shot

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So with that said the only thing left to change would be to make the Jump Clone timer 72 hours instead of 24. This would put more pressure on breaking up the NAPT since the strategies could be developed around pos timers and multiple attacks on different fronts. Would keep people closer to home and not ping-ponging back and forth covering multiple frontlines.
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Originally by: Betty Boom

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3 - Decrease the need of R64 by 50% and increase the need of low moon material in the production. This will balance the marketprice and income of the alliances.

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Originally by: isqander

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Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:47
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:21
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:56:50
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:54:47
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:53:21
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:52:50
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:51:47
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:50:21
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:49:50
ahhhh......I know I had something smart to say.....hold on a sec...

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Originally by: HankMurphy

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-No more static moons

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Originally by: Rotnac

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has anyone who wants this actually setup a moon and done moon mining?

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Originally by: isqander

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Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:47
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:21
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:56:50

Originally by: Betty Boom

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3 - Decrease the need of R64 by 50% and increase the need of low moon material in the production. This will balance the marketprice and income of the alliances.

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Virtually every war in the last year was fought for R64s. If you do this without some other buff to 0.0 you just encourage even more people to join the 90% of eve that lives in Empire.

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Originally by: Betty Boom

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Originally by: isqander

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Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:47
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:21
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:56:50

Originally by: Betty Boom

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3 - Decrease the need of R64 by 50% and increase the need of low moon material in the production. This will balance the marketprice and income of the alliances.

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Virtually every war in the last year was fought for R64s. If you do this without some other buff to 0.0 you just encourage even more people to join the 90% of eve that lives in Empire.

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The 0.0 will not change much and there are ABC ores and rats. No need for more to keep the ppl there.

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Originally by: Betty Boom

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Originally by: isqander

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Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:47
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:57:21
Edited by: isqander on 01/09/2009 23:56:50

Originally by: Betty Boom

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3 - Decrease the need of R64 by 50% and increase the need of low moon material in the production. This will balance the marketprice and income of the alliances.

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Virtually every war in the last year was fought for R64s. If you do this without some other buff to 0.0 you just encourage even more people to join the 90% of eve that lives in Empire.

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The 0.0 will not change much and there are ABC ores and rats. No need for more to keep the ppl there.

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Have you even been to 0.0?

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Originally by: Von Kleist

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I'm glad we have the likes of Betty Boom and the Klingons to lead us out of the dark ages of eve. If they choose to find us worthy of their presence, maybe, just maybe, we all will have a chance to glean some little snippets of their intellectual genius and be able to apply it to both in game and our real life.


Translation for you pubbies:
cake4chanpuddingfail

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Originally by: Betty Boom

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[sarcasm on]
never ever
[sarcasm off]



Now I answered your question, I answer you something: Can you stay on topic

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Originally by: Rotnac

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Originally by: HankMurphy

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-No more static moons

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I'm not going to bother arguing about anything else. But I must wonder: has anyone who wants this actually setup a moon and done moon mining? The act of scanning down moons, settng up a POS, and pouring in funds for the tower, mods, and initial chunk of fuel is daunting and extremely time consuming. Keeping them defended and supplied is only a trivial issue for ****ty moons. Implementing this would be terrible.

Thankfully, CCP will never listen to you.

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Originally by: Petar Quaresma

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I actually agree with the premise that Eve is dying off. What is there to do in this game now? Roam around for 7 hours and get a caracal kill an hour? That is supposed to be fun? There are 3 games being designed right now (MMOs or partial MMOs) where the PVP is intellectual, difficult and persistent. Eve never even had persistent PVP. For years I have participated in "epic" battles lasting as long as 7-8 hours where literally 30 people died because the game cannot handle it.

At some point you have to say to yourself "what is there really to do in Eve Online?" Is there ANYTHING to do in Eve Online? Not really.

What Eve needs is a massive, massive, massive, complete, total, absolute, unequivocal revamp. Completely and totally change 0.0.

There are no compromises here. Change it completely. Back to the drawing board. Every single aspect. If you want to make money off it, then make it an expansion pack for 0.0 play and people will buy it.

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Originally by: Psilocin

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Originally by: Betty Boom

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[sarcasm on]
never ever
[sarcasm off]



Now I answered your question, I answer you something: Can you stay on topic

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The way you reacted to my question would indicate that you were in 0.0 a whole ten minutes, impressive.

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Originally by: Betty Boom

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]Proof

btw killmail came with 'Exodus' and my corp had their own killboard.

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Originally by: Betty Boom

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Originally by: Von Kleist

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I'm glad we have the likes of Betty Boom and the Klingons to lead us out of the dark ages of eve. If they choose to find us worthy of their presence, maybe, just maybe, we all will have a chance to glean some little snippets of their intellectual genius and be able to apply it to both in game and our real life.


Translation for you pubbies:
cake4chanpuddingfail

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Translation : I have no arguments Coz am a Troll and member of Band of Boons

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Originally by: Snot Shot

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So with that said the only thing left to change would be to make the Jump Clone timer 72 hours instead of 24. This would put more pressure on breaking up the NAPT since the strategies could be developed around pos timers and multiple attacks on different fronts. Would keep people closer to home and not ping-ponging back and forth covering multiple frontlines.


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Originally by: Svetlanna

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Originally by: Petar Quaresma

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I actually agree with the premise that Eve is dying off. What is there to do in this game now? Roam around for 7 hours and get a caracal kill an hour? That is supposed to be fun? There are 3 games being designed right now (MMOs or partial MMOs) where the PVP is intellectual, difficult and persistent. Eve never even had persistent PVP. For years I have participated in "epic" battles lasting as long as 7-8 hours where literally 30 people died because the game cannot handle it.

At some point you have to say to yourself "what is there really to do in Eve Online?" Is there ANYTHING to do in Eve Online? Not really.

What Eve needs is a massive, massive, massive, complete, total, absolute, unequivocal revamp. Completely and totally change 0.0.

There are no compromises here. Change it completely. Back to the drawing board. Every single aspect. If you want to make money off it, then make it an expansion pack for 0.0 play and people will buy it.

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Another solid proof that EVE has gone the wrong way: I find myself agreeing 100% with a Goon here.... WTF...
So yes CCP, business is business, it's good to show profit at the bottom line... But a good product needs not only a good marketing... This game needs a serious turn over. But I am sure you know about it... Now what will you do? Speak up.

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Originally by: JoeT

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jsut give it a little time. Things are a brewing. Just hasn't boiled over yet :)

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