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Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 68	Posted - 2012.06.03 10:43:00 - [31] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. After they lose their ship or eject they warp to station and wait there 15 minutes for GCC flag to drop.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 364	Posted - 2012.06.03 10:55:00 - [32] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. When you talk about things in-game, are you deliberately lying or do you really just not know how anything works at all, ever? Then again, I should expect nothing less from the person who was trying to convince people that an 8 mil DG Therm hardener was actually a 70mil mod.
gfldex 541	Posted - 2012.06.03 10:58:00 - [33] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. After they lose their ship or eject they warp to station and wait there 15 minutes for GCC flag to drop. It takes (up to) 10 seconds for the GCC to show up in local chat. On grid the GCC is there in the same second the guns of the catalyst cycle the first time. (That's the irony. We don't even talk about a Thorax. It's just a bloody destroyer that can be one volleyed by pretty much anything.) When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1745	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:04:00 - [34] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Snow Axe wrote: As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. After they lose their ship or eject they warp to station and wait there 15 minutes for GCC flag to drop. Stop lying. It takes the full 15s before CONCORD arrives to kill the tanked Hulk, and you can start shooting as soon as they do. If your Hulk fit gets killed in 5s, you either pissed someone off and they wanted overkill, or you didn't tank your hulk at all. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
baltec1 1315	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:09:00 - [35] - Quote Fit a tank...
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 68	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:15:00 - [36] - Quote gfldex wrote: (That's the irony. We don't even talk about a Thorax. It's just a bloody destroyer that can be one volleyed by pretty much anything.) Not true. With 3,8k EHP you need at least the Arty Tornado or the Tach Oracle.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 1539	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:23:00 - [37] - Quote All you can do is make yourself unattractive, but you're never going to be totally safe. Think of it like the ocean. You can be sleek and efficient, but you look pretty tasty when that's all you are. If you're a blowfish however, only the hungriest predators will try to take a bite. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1745	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:24:00 - [38] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: gfldex wrote: (That's the irony. We don't even talk about a Thorax. It's just a bloody destroyer that can be one volleyed by pretty much anything.) Not true. With 3,8k EHP you need at least the Arty Tornado or the Tach Oracle. An AC Nado with 425s (for tracking) does 2200 per volley and hits once every 3s, 2 vollying a Catalyst, well before even an untanked Hulk is going to die. With 800s and a wee bit of distance gets 3400 per volley, which would one volley my Gank alt's Catalyst (Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie) Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 68	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:28:00 - [39] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: (Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie) Slaves... And only the stupid people would shoot your pod because they would get Concorded just for doing that.
Aerethir El-Kharisti 16	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:36:00 - [40] - Quote If that in fact -was- a brand new player, I'd say, either tank-tank or speed tank and don't wear expensive implants when mining, but yeah, there is a lot of rabble in this thread already :P With great power comes great electricity bill.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1745	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:46:00 - [41] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: RubyPorto wrote: (Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie) Slaves... And only the stupid people would shoot your pod because they would get Concorded just for doing that. Not once you go -10, also WHO PUTS SLAVES on a GANK ALT? Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Heinrich Rotwang Caldari Provisions Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.06.03 12:13:00 - [42] - Quote The problem is, compared to Eves usual timescales to achieve anything (eg. months and years to train skills), sec status has little to no meaning. The whole outlaw thing is being invalidated by the short period of time it takes an experienced player to work back from public enemy to good standing. Feels like 2 hours of community work for murder: its still somewhat of a consequence, but it just doesn't feel appropriate.
Bossy Lady Aliastra Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2012.06.03 12:30:00 - [43] - Quote Heinrich Rotwang wrote: The problem is, compared to Eves usual timescales to achieve anything (eg. months and years to train skills), sec status has little to no meaning. The whole outlaw thing is being invalidated by the short period of time it takes an experienced player to work back from public enemy to good standing. Feels like 2 hours of community work for murder: its still somewhat of a consequence, but it just doesn't feel appropriate. Working back up from -10 is quite a grind. It's not something that you can do in "a couple of hours" let me assure you. Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 353	Posted - 2012.06.03 12:49:00 - [44] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: The key is to remove CONCORD so that suicide gankers can be preemptively attacked. +1 Love it when what the OP wants gives out exactly the opposite result. :p PS: RubyPorto for CSM!!! "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 68	Posted - 2012.06.03 13:02:00 - [45] - Quote Bossy Lady wrote: Working back up from -10 is quite a grind. It's not something that you can do in "a couple of hours" let me assure you. Not with stealth bomber... And with that getting to those good systems (I know you need a good route that takes around 15 minutes) should be easy enough. One BS per system. Doesn't sound difficult even for carebear like me.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 720	Posted - 2012.06.03 13:02:00 - [46] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: RubyPorto wrote: (Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie) Slaves... And only the stupid people would shoot your pod because they would get Concorded just for doing that. Why yes let me just go ahead and use a TWO BILLION ISK IMPLANT SET on a ganking destroyer pilot which will hit below -5 (where anyone in hisec can legally pod you) in very little time if it hasn't already I mean holy **** people must think that they gankers fly with anything more than maybe an RoF/turret damage hardwiring if they use implants at all when ganking eh
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 720	Posted - 2012.06.03 13:04:00 - [47] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Bossy Lady wrote: Working back up from -10 is quite a grind. It's not something that you can do in "a couple of hours" let me assure you. Not with stealth bomber... And with that getting to those good systems (I know you need a good route that takes around 15 minutes). One BS per system. Doesn't sound difficult even for carebear like me. Feel free to get a character down to -10 (you can easily do this by, say, ECM bursting the Jita undock a few times) and grind the sec status back up. I mean it's easy and you can do it in no time, right? eh
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1751	Posted - 2012.06.03 15:52:00 - [48] - Quote Sarah Schneider wrote: PS: RubyPorto for CSM!!! In B4 "Is a Waffle the best TEST can do for CSM?" Anyway, Thanks for the vote of confidence. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 465	Posted - 2012.06.03 16:33:00 - [49] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank. As soon as the ganker shoots, shooting back is pointless, as their objective has already been accomplished. I know, I used to do it. Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1752	Posted - 2012.06.03 16:35:00 - [50] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: Snow Axe wrote: As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank. As soon as the ganker shoots, shooting back is pointless, as their objective has already been accomplished. I know, I used to do it. Modern ganks are DPS based, not Alpha based, and require every second of the CONCORD response time to kill their targets. Alpha isn't as cheap as it was when Pend Inc. subsidized it. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 797	Posted - 2012.06.03 16:40:00 - [51] - Quote Easy way to be safe from gankers. Use instas. This only doesn't work when travelling from a gate or after warping into a location (well, or when using a cheap fast ship to set up your off grid instas... but thats probably not likely to get gank attention). When mining, do so aligned using 4 or more BMs in a large ringish pattern around your belt. Once ganker warps in you have about 3 whole seconds to click warp and be gone before they could even start to lock. This is very hard in Ice belts, so it can require some work. But in the end it is worth it if you don't get ganked because of it.
Nostradamouse Riraille Blackreach. SRS. 15	Posted - 2012.06.03 17:00:00 - [52] - Quote Truly, the best way to defend against gankers is simply not to give them a target. I've passed quite a lot of low sec and high sec systems around that are in a perma state of 0 person in local for long periods of the day. Mine in those perhaps?
Spikeflach Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis 66	Posted - 2012.06.03 17:58:00 - [53] - Quote Does nobody realize that this guy is looking into fighting back against gankers instead of keeping his hulk safe from gankers? Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 370	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:07:00 - [54] - Quote Spikeflach wrote: Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle. An extremely limited amount of time to do a large portion of DPS before CONCORD arrives. Yeah, that sounds hardly possible to me and not at all like anything else that is currently going on in-game. Nope, not at all. Completely unique and really ~difficult~.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1755	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:08:00 - [55] - Quote Spikeflach wrote: Does nobody realize that this guy is looking into fighting back against gankers instead of keeping his hulk safe from gankers? Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle. 800mm Nado will 1 or 2 volley a gank Dessie, killing it well before CONCORD spawns or the tanked target dies. A rook/blackbird with a bunch of Gallente ECM will also mess up the ganker's day. If you really want to fight someone on your own merits, without CONCORD stepping in to stop you from popping the ganker, mine in Lowsec. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Spikeflach Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis 67	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:15:00 - [56] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Spikeflach wrote: Does nobody realize that this guy is looking into fighting back against gankers instead of keeping his hulk safe from gankers? Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle. 800mm Nado will 1 or 2 volley a gank Dessie, killing it well before CONCORD spawns or the tanked target dies. A rook/blackbird with a bunch of Gallente ECM will also mess up the ganker's day. If you really want to fight someone on your own merits, without CONCORD stepping in to stop you from popping the ganker, mine in Lowsec. The OP of this thread is not a miner, the answers to save his hulk don't answer his question at all. He is looking for a valid way to offensively defend against gankers. Which you have suggested here.
Spikeflach Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis 67	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:18:00 - [57] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Spikeflach wrote: Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle. An extremely limited amount of time to do a large portion of DPS before CONCORD arrives. Yeah, that sounds hardly possible to me and not at all like anything else that is currently going on in-game. Nope, not at all. Completely unique and really ~difficult~. I am glad you agree. :)
Price Check Aisle3 50	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:24:00 - [58] - Quote Posting in a not-actually-a-newbie stealth gank whine thread.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 466	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:26:00 - [59] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: Snow Axe wrote: As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank. As soon as the ganker shoots, shooting back is pointless, as their objective has already been accomplished. I know, I used to do it. Modern ganks are DPS based, not Alpha based, and require every second of the CONCORD response time to kill their targets. Alpha isn't as cheap as it was when Pend Inc. subsidized it. It's cheaper now that GS are subsidizing it even better... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 372	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:29:00 - [60] - Quote Almost none of the Hulk ganks are using alpha, though.

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