Just roll with a logi and 3-4other people in buffer pvp ships. Cloaked falcon is a total plus.

I don't know the dps of l5s but im sure a armor cane/armor myrm or shield drake or shield cane can tank one with like...scimitar reps

Well, since you're all fairly new players you probably could grind standings with the Corporation of lv 4 Epic Arc starting agents, then run the arcs. The Corporation needs to be +5.00 or higher standing and your Faction only needs to be above -2.00 standing. Another option for access is if your Faction standing is +5.00 or higher, you can access the agents. Those missions are tougher than regular level 4 missions and they give an excellent boost to Faction standing with little to no derived standings towards other Factions. They can also be completed every 3 months.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs

And then there's Cosmos agents but they require a higher amount of Faction standing for access and don't accept Corporation standing for access. They also give an excellent Faction standing increase, but they also give derived standings, both negative and positive, to all other Factions. Running the Epic Arc missions would definitely give a boost to accessing Cosmos. Each level of Cosmos missions is roughly about a step or 2 above the regular level missions.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/COSMOS

Since you have Fleet members, after all of you gain the corp standings needed to access the Epic Arcs, each member could access the Epic Arc agents by themselves and then all Fleet members run each members missions back to back while fleeted. That way you each gain standing but can still stay fleeted. Best when completing the mission with agent, each member does it as a solo player. Also remember that Faction standing increases are not shared.


That will definitely give you experience on working as a team, could even incorporate some EWAR tactics such as point, logistics, etc.



DMC

Thx a lot for reply and suggestions Tallian.
That would be the way we would try it.
But still:
1 Domi with some faction hardeners and TII Items: 120 Million EST Value.
2 Myrm around 100 Million each: 200 Million
2 Vexors: 20 Million
1 Noctis 90 Million
Makes 430 Million in total value.

I expect experienced gankers to invest accordingly.
1 month is enough to have such a high opinion on the intelligence and cleverness of the EVE communty ;)

So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies?

again: i dont and we dont plan on doing L5s in lowsec exactly because of those reasons

In high sec? No, not unless it pays as well as or worse than level fours.

As for gankers, not many solo players would take on that fleet. But besides, you shouldn't be fighting in PvE ships, the game goes out of its way to give you methods to avoid combat, try joining a decent low sec corporation and learn them.

In high sec? No, not unless it pays as well as or worse than level fours.

As for gankers, not many solo players would take on that fleet. But besides, you shouldn't be fighting in PvE ships, the game goes out of its way to give you methods to avoid combat, try joining a decent low sec corporation and learn them.

Hes talking about L5s. There are no L5s in highsec.

i/we dont care if there is less ISK. we play for fun.
i didnt explicitly say it would be one person.
so i should use an AC/dual or triple rep myrm with web/point and cap boosters (wich would be totaly worth it ISK wise) for level 4 security missions?
sounds reasonable.
there are as much ways to avoid combat as to prevent that.
ability/experience/SP and ISK are the factors in that, all of wich older players exceed.

We do understand what you want. LVL5 missions in highsec. You want less risk for the same reward. That wont work because not only you but any bad player in the game would utilize that content and in the result drive the value of the reward down. It wont work one way or another.

You further make assumptions about how to operate in lowsec. Those assumptions are wrong. Given that there are players that do run those lvl5 mission in lowsec there must be something they do right that you do wrong. Little hint: it's not related to fittings or skillpoints.

If you play for fun go do incursions.

there is a reason ppl use T3 Cruiser T2 logi etc fleets for incursions.

No, you shouldn't really being PvEing in PvP ships either. Although feel free to if you want to try spider tanking, or buffer fit and use logi.

My point was that you shouldn't be worrying about fighting attackers, just avoid them.

the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5

I could be wrong, but the reason lvl 5s are in low sec has nothing to do with people cheating to do them.

Your very complaint is the exact reason they're there. Risk vs reward. The highest paying missions are supposed to be in the most dangerous parts of space, which is why they moved them out of hi sec.

Am I remembering this wrong? Was that not CCP's explenation for the reordering of the mission levels?

incursions are in highsec and afaik net the highest possible PvE Combat rewards.

I dont care about the ******* ISK. They could pay 10000 times the money in low sec i wouldnt care i just want to do L5 in a fleet of rookies without getting exposed to griefers.

AI could definatly use a giant boost e.g. (a simple one) make frigs sprial towards you and faster (no player frig moves as slow as 400m/s)
I dont have anything against difficulty.
I just dont like the Fact that if you want to progress in the line of security missions you have to play prey for griefers after 1 Month into the game.

Imagine WOW lvl 40 instances would be under constant danger of hostile lvl 85 PvP players bursting into the group. Blizzard would instantaniously loose 70% of its playerbase.

Imagine WOW

You didn't get the memo? Mission running is intended as a means of making isk.

What you want doesn't change the fact. CCP put lvl 5's in low sec because of the risk vs reward aspect of space. The missions aren't just categorized by difficulty, it also indicates a level of pay you can expect.

I find it funny that for someone who labelled themself as "hardcore" you're complaining about ganking and chose to use the word griefers. Are you shitting me? You're hardcore but you're afraid to go into low sec and do level 5's or incursions? WTF are you doing that's so hardcore in hi sec exactly?

Please enlighten us mr. hardcore hi sec mission runner.

I think you misunderstand the OP

he wants more challenging content but don't care about the isk

I think OP should try out incursion, in this game, you can't compare older players as lv85s and younger players as lv40s

older players can fly more ships than younger players, that's it.

being able to use meta 4 already make your ship perform at 80% of its maximum

he wants more challenging content but don't care about the isk

You didn't get the memo? Mission running is intended as a means of making isk.

What you want doesn't change the fact. CCP put lvl 5's in low sec because of the risk vs reward aspect of space. The missions aren't just categorized by difficulty, it also indicates a level of pay you can expect.

I find it funny that for someone who labelled themself as "hardcore" you're complaining about ganking and chose to use the word griefers. Are you shitting me? You're hardcore but you're afraid to go into low sec and do level 5's or incursions? WTF are you doing that's so hardcore in hi sec exactly?

Please enlighten us mr. hardcore hi sec mission runner.

You didn't get the memo? Mission running is intended as a means of making isk.

What you want doesn't change the fact. CCP put lvl 5's in low sec because of the risk vs reward aspect of space. The missions aren't just categorized by difficulty, it also indicates a level of pay you can expect.

I find it funny that for someone who labelled themself as "hardcore" you're complaining about ganking and chose to use the word griefers. Are you shitting me? You're hardcore but you're afraid to go into low sec and do level 5's or incursions? WTF are you doing that's so hardcore in hi sec exactly?

Please enlighten us mr. hardcore hi sec mission runner.

There was no reason to respond to my initial post.

At the same time, He called himself a hardcore gamer. How hardcore can you be if you're not willing to go into low sec to do lvl 5's? And herein lies an issue. The OP wants to do lvl 5's in hi sec. I'm not a genius, trust me. It's very clear what he's saying. He wants to do lvl 5 mission, and he wants to be able to do them in hi sec.

CCP doesn't want you doing them in Hi sec. He should have got his initial staement correct and asked for a bump in lvl 4 difficulty, not for lvl 5s in hi sec. The risk in doing them is that you have to go into low sec, that means you'll have to deal with really dangerous pirates in EVE, other players. That's the challenge.

I think OP should try out incursion, in this game, you can't compare older players as lv85s and younger players as lv40s

older players can fly more ships than younger players, that's it.

being able to use meta 4 already make your ship perform at 80% of its maximum

So Gunnery Skills 5 or 4/3 or even not existent make no difference?
Drone skills 5 or 4/3 or not existent make no difference?
Armor skills, Shield SKills, Maneuvering Skills, Cap Skills?

They make every difference in the world and yes it is comparable.
More possibilities, better Items, better Hulls, better proefficiency in everything and more ISK to risk.

But i will look into smaller incursions thx.

OK, maybe said HardCore Gamer but that all goes out the window with Eve. Definitely didn't say 'HardCore' mission runner.


To the OP, those links I gave you will have other links which include more information, do that plan I outlined for you and you'll have a lot of fun, believe me.

Also when it comes to these forums, best to 'tune' out the obvious ones with attitude. This sub forum is definitely the worst one, for more info with less BS, go to the specialized sub-forums.

Also, welcome to Eve.


DMC

You should already be focusing and specializing those skill before you go looking to fly more ships.

This isn't WoW.

scenario:
we see probes. check local check scan not much going on, we stay)
single frig enters our mission area and warps away.
later 6 players enter local. all of wich are 4 year +. all of wich have idk -4 security status, all of wich are in the same corporation. we check the scan. some reasonable pvp able ships in system.
we leave.
fun!
not?

Imagine WOW lvl 40 instances would be under constant danger of hostile lvl 85 PvP players bursting into the group. Blizzard would instantaniously loose 70% of its playerbase.

however i mentioned WOW, just to make an example for a general and universal game mechanic and how other succsessfull games manage to handle them.

i know what u want to imply by that and i can totaly see where EVE excels WOW.
but then again WOW has his strenghts. i doubt i will ever have to play "esdf" and have 30 keybinds in EVE and know every skill of every of 10 different classes with a total of 30+ possible builds and being able to read or anticipate the next move of the enemy and having less then 1 second to react to that as a team in the most effective way and plan the next 10 seconds at the same time, while keeping situational awareness, positions and managing resources and cooldowns of your team and the enemy.
dont judge stuff you dont know.

however i mentioned WOW, just to make an example for a general and universal game mechanic and how other succsessfull games manage to handle them.

So Gunnery Skills 5 or 4/3 or even not existent make no difference?
Drone skills 5 or 4/3 or not existent make no difference?
Armor skills, Shield SKills, Maneuvering Skills, Cap Skills?

They make every difference in the world and yes it is comparable.
More possibilities, better Items, better Hulls, better proefficiency in everything and more ISK to risk.

But i will look into smaller incursions thx.

OK, obviously nobody cares to answer my question.


I will say this, as a 4 year veteran of this game, the only time I've mainly had to go into low sec for missions was either for courier or chasing down an expedition. Granted there was a few combat missions but with cloak, checking map stats, watching local and using safe spots, they were rather easy even if it did take a while longer to complete.

Other than that, I've already listed 2 different options to engage in tougher than normal level 4 missions. That content is long term, pays good ISK and has some excellent item rewards available.


One final note : Older players in these forums need to lighten up on newer players, there's no need to get sarcastic or disrespectful with them.


DMC

reading competency seems to be an issue in tthese forums.

Be careful with that WOW reference. You will get trolled to hell and back.

This is not WOW. WOW is primarily a PVE themepark game. EVE is a PvP sandbox game. And it makes a world of difference. The fact that someone can bust your mission is the very reason many of us play this game. You have to be on your toes constantly and one of the first skills you have to develop is how to avoid fight when you can't win. This skill is best trained in low/null/WH space.

If you want more challenge and fun but don't like to invest to much in ships take your group to lowsec and run L4s in PvP frigates/cruisers. You might end up in some good fights too.

Given your writing skills you are in no position to complain.

Hello Vincent, I am thinking of rolling a new character. Would you please be kind enough to post your Myrmidon fit so that I can solo level 4 missions in six weeks.

The quicker he can earn good isk the sooner he can afford to lose it in pvp.

Thank you.

how is your german, frensh or spanish ignorant turd?

WOW is not primarily a PVE themepark game.

The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them)

The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them)

I realy didnt want it to go that way, but since u people seem to not be able to set aside ur phantasy world of being the gaming elite and accept a simple example for addressing basic universal game mechanics i will adress the wow bash issue.

WOW is not primarily a PVE themepark game.

The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them)
All of those games are purely player skill oriented and you actually cant have an advantage by spending lots of cash or time in the game (apart from practice).
And yes, realizing that this is not possible in EVE i more and more feel tempted to not play it.
Because some uber nurd can always just run 20 PCs at once and click 1 time and kill me.
The other factor being: the older the game gets the more undefeatable certain people get.
How cool and exciting!

you take this game all wrong.
what happen if a 10m sp guy with max-skilled rifter fight against 120m sp also max-skilled rifter, does it mean the 120m sp guy automatically win.

is it fair that the other guy has 120m sp fight against 10m sp guy??

when you fly a ship, only skills related to that ship is relevant, the excessive amount sp you have can't have any impact on that said ship.

All of those games are purely player skill oriented and you actually cant have an advantage by spending lots of cash or time in the game (apart from practice).
And yes, realizing that this is not possible in EVE i more and more feel tempted to not play it.
Because some uber nurd can always just run 20 PCs at once and click 1 time and kill me.
The other factor being: the older the game gets the more undefeatable certain people get.
How cool and exciting!

you take this game all wrong.
what happen if a 10m sp guy with max-skilled rifter fight against 120m sp also max-skilled rifter, does it mean the 120m sp guy automatically win.

is it fair that the other guy has 120m sp fight against 10m sp guy??

when you fly a ship, only skills related to that ship is relevant, the excessive amount sp you have can't have any impact on that said ship.

the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5

i hope a CCP dev will see it and think about rebalancing the security mission difficulties since the reasons are obvious and reasonable. the only reason i did point this out, was because i did want to help make the game more attractive for new players.

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

its also amazing how many inflated elder men with obvious ego problems are around that have to say how hard they are and how hard the game is and how cool they are to keep up with it on any occation possible.
really man its just hilarious. and i am not impressed. not at all xD

its also amazing how many inflated elder men with obvious ego problems are around that have to say how hard they are and how hard the game is and how cool they are to keep up with it on any occation possible.
really man its just hilarious. and i am not impressed. not at all xD

I did not do L4-¦s in a while but they must have become really easy when you can solo them in a myrmidon?

L5s were specifically introduced to provide a reason to go to lo-sec

Well that worked ......

People do run them, so yes, it did work.

My point excactly.

Seems to me that doing level 4 missions in a six week old Myrmidon, means that I must be doing the wrong level 4 missions in my Domi.

I cannot catergorically state that it is not possible, but it does seem somewhat unlikely, unless the op means level 4 courier missions.

However, I would be happy to see a Myrmidon (skilled up in six weeks) fit that can solo the majority of level 4 missions.

Then I would eat some humble pie and use the fit myself.

Over to you Vincent.

Mate don't look for an argument where there isn't one or your going to lose.

While a few might have gone after then the majority didn't, hence all the arguments in these forums about trying to get hi sec players into lo nul.

Tal

lol, the all knowing has spoken!

Everyone go home, all our problems are solved!

Oh yeah, thats right, you are one of those who completely fails. It worked simply because people run them. It doesn't take many to count as a success, as a matter of fact, it only takes one. Alot more than one do it tho.

Just because you are scared to make friends and go out there doesn't mean everyone is. I've done them. I did them with other people. I know even more people who have done them.

Just because you say it is so doesn't make it so. I am my own proof, because I have actually done them. Now the burden of proof is on you. Can you PROVE that no one does them, especially given that I know for a fact that people do? (once again, because I have done them, and know other people who do them)

Stop being close minded and afraid, and try out the more challenging parts of New Eden.

Who knows, you might actually realize how much fun it is to actually have an adrenaline rush because you and your friends just fought off a gank squad.

Anything would be better than this bitter, angry forum troll you currently are.

Wow I sense much stupidity in this one.

Tal

OP

Make a fake forum alt to try to prove lvl4's are too easy and there's not enough pvp ... I'm sure you've got a few ones around.

4/10

Edit: I'm sure your 1.5 month old character rocks in the house with your Myrmidon and can chain lvl4's like a pro

lol, the all knowing has spoken!

Oh yeah, thats right, you are one of those who completely fails. It worked simply because people run them. It doesn't take many to count as a success, as a matter of fact, it only takes one. Alot more than one do it tho.

Just because you are scared to make friends and go out there doesn't mean everyone is. I've done them. I did them with other people. I know even more people who have done them.

Just because you say it is so doesn't make it so. I am my own proof, because I have actually done them. Now the burden of proof is on you. Can you PROVE that no one does them, especially given that I know for a fact that people do? (once again, because I have done them, and know other people who do them)

Stop being close minded and afraid, and try out the more challenging parts of New Eden.

Who knows, you might actually realize how much fun it is to actually have an adrenaline rush because you and your friends just fought off a gank squad.

Anything would be better than this bitter, angry forum troll you currently are.

OP

Make a fake forum alt to try to prove lvl4's are too easy and there's not enough pvp ... I'm sure you've got a few ones around.

4/10

Edit: I'm sure your 1.5 month old character rocks in the house with your Myrmidon and can chain lvl4's like a pro

i will tell you a second time that i did already wrote my fit on page 2 or 3

i dont get why you are making such a big issue of that. L4s in a drake is even more faceroll

1 1/2 Months ago i joined EVE and the Content is realy exciting and challenging for a HC gamer.

I thought you 'HC gamers' (whatever the hell they are) could run level five missions in lowsec blindfolded, just laughing at the risks....oh wait, what's that? Your 'HC gaming' (which increasingly sounds like a haemorroid preparation) only runs to running level 4s in perfect, mind-numbing safety?


Gotcha.

Vincent Wright

Ignore the douches. Best thing to do is keep a cool head and reply with the 'Report' option - above their posted reply, located around the middle of the header is a little 'Flag' icon, next to the time stamp - click that 'Flag' and report them for any infraction of the Forum Rules. Believe me, it works.


DMC

So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies?

it's simple: switch your Dominix to myrm, switch 2xMyrmidons to thoraxes. Viola! You have new level of lvl4 difficulty!

Don't ask someone to find job for you. You are free man. Go and find it yourself.

Op I'm going to tell you this once:

Run lvl4's in your 1.5month old char it's impossible, then if you're looking for challenge and think lvl 4's are not a challenge with such terrible SP/ship fittings then go for it and come back when you've done them all.

With only 1.5mth skills you can barely fit your myrmidon cap stable, barely use meta 4 items and T1 drones, navigation and so on.

P.S.
if you dont come and try to gank me now and this wasnt a bait/troll i am really dissapointed in the oh so elite EVE community

now? at this moment i'm in office... Working day mate
So sorry: i will not gank you.

Oh, I can think of a couple of missions off the top of my head that never get "boring", *IF* you play them right.


Start with a very deceptive hell in space called "Human Cattle".

When you do room V, don't follow the directions and run away like a little girl with your skirt over your head.

Go ahead and take on the whole Amarr armada that's in that room. Good loots, just beware the faction hit.


More fun with Amarr can be had in "Smash the Supplier".

Accept the mission and go have a smoke. Let the whole thing get fully spawned, then run in there like Rambo with your little crew as described.

Leave the objective alone. Let the towers be the last thing you kill.

Be sure to fraps and post the resulting carnage so we all get a good giggle.

Oh, and watch out for those nasty ninja salvagers just waiting to steal all those High-Isk tags............