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The Recruit
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: The Recruit on 15/09/2009 09:22:28
CCP when are you going to remove these items?
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:24:00 -
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Nope, and stop whining about it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:31:00 -
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When someone manages to prove that it's necessary. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:33:00 -
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The moment improving the stats on BPC's becomes a reality. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:34:00 -
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Clear case of "If I don't have one, no one should because... well JUST BECAUSE!"
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 10:28:00 -
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Just quit whining and buy one of your own.
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Synex
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.15 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Recruit Edited by: The Recruit on 15/09/2009 09:22:28
CCP when are you going to remove these items?
Why should they?
Synex Oursulaert Industries
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FISHANDCHIPS
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Posted - 2009.09.15 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Synex
Originally by: The Recruit Edited by: The Recruit on 15/09/2009 09:22:28
CCP when are you going to remove these items?
Why should they?
That
they got them fair and square if you cant afford one or cant make money making them from BPCs then do the smart thing and dont make them
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Leana Darkrider
Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers
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Posted - 2009.09.15 10:45:00 -
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not going to happen ______________________________________ If only EVE could cook, if only.... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 10:53:00 -
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I demand that every item that costs more ISK than I can be bothered to make be removed from the game.
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PostWithYourAlt
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: PostWithYourAlt on 15/09/2009 11:01:30 i'll remove them for you for just 15bn isk.
for this very low amount of isk i will use my unmatched social engineering skills to lure every t2 bpo holder with all of their bpo's in a shuttle to a trap system, pop them, loot the bpos and destroy them.
this offer is valid until 09/09/20 12:00:00 or until it's invalidity is announced by myself. If you want to take advantage of it, please transfer the isk in full to this character. Once i have received your payment, i will get in contact with you and start the operation.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I demand that every item that costs more ISK than I can be bothered to make be removed from the game.
I demand that every item that i cant shoot , but people can safely use in station be removed.
Oh it has to be item that i cant buy/make/find if poeple are not willing to sell me one ... oh wait ... its t2bpo.
How about that ?.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:13:00 -
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nice to see everyone for or against the issue was able to give clear concise arguments siting their reasons.
personally i dont think there should be any S T A T I C sources of income. that goes for bpos, moons, complexes (kinda fixed), npc belt spawns that never end, blah blah blah.
it would need to be done w/ thought (read:omg price inflation) but i think in time it may prove to be a fundamental rule for a well balanced mmo. i'm certain there are scores of ppl that would violently disagree w/ me , then again i personally have nothing to gain or lose from the situation. ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:14:00 -
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Why remove t2 BPO's? Do you want the majority of stupid inventors who don't understand build costs to kill that area too? Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
thesonarnet
Gallente Rukongai
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:17:00 -
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I demand CCP starting to sell 100 unique new "Invulnerable to all" modules, worth 100bill a piece! Bonuses: -Makes ship completely invulnerable to damage -gives 500% damage bonus to all turrets -can be fitted on all ships (including Rookies)
That would be great, right? Would give the owners a little more power but what the hell they paid for it and following the logic here, then it would be ok. Unfair to everyone else? No of course not, because although there are only 100 units in the game, the owners could also sell them. So this way they are still available for everyone :-) What a beautiful world right?! |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:19:00 -
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****ing idiots of course they need removing.
its been done to death and CCP have proved that whilst they can completely alter something like rig BPOs overnight without caring they are far to scared of T2 BPO owners to make the right move.
The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them. + LDS @ Bclnc
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n ****ing idiots of course they need removing.
Why? Prove it.
Quote: its been done to death
Apparently not since my lasting impression (and the QENs) is that BPOs are insignificant factors in the current T2 production environment. So, prove it.
Quote: The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them.
Incorrect, but please prove it. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Newsflash
Gallente NorthUnited
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 15/09/2009 11:29:05
Originally by: Rellik B00n ****ing idiots of course they need removing.
Why? Prove it.
Quote: its been done to death
Apparently not since my lasting impression (and the QENs) is that BPOs are insignificant factors in the current T2 production environment. So, prove it.
Quote: The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them.
Incorrect, but please prove it. Originally by: HankMurphy nice to see everyone for or against the issue was able to give clear concise arguments citing their reasons.
It's mainly because every time this topic comes up, the silly person making the complaint gets facts heaped upon them that disprove their stance so thoroughly that it should be common knowledge by now. It's kind of a "we already know this, and so should you" answer, if you like.
and how many bpo you/your main/your alts have? surely sound like bpo owner.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them.
Or those that realise that because people think T2 BPOs actually have any effect on the market, items with T2 BPOs are more profitable to invent than those without.
Quote: I demand CCP starting to sell 100 unique new "Invulnerable to all" modules, worth 100bill a piece! Bonuses: -Makes ship completely invulnerable to damage -gives 500% damage bonus to all turrets -can be fitted on all ships (including Rookies)
That would be great, right? Would give the owners a little more power but what the hell they paid for it and following the logic here, then it would be ok. Unfair to everyone else? No of course not, because although there are only 100 units in the game, the owners could also sell them. So this way they are still available for everyone :-) What a beautiful world right?!
The lottery was a mistake, however the correction of such a mistake is IMPOSSIBLE, all the T2 BPO owners in existence now paid ISK for them directly or indirectly, way more than they're worth. If T2 BPOs were the module you're proposing, they'd cost 100 billion isk, and increase your HP by 25% and damage by 5%, you'd be able to easily buy another module that did the same for 10million isk, but it would take a week to build, so those people that paid 100 billion isk would still have an advantage to complain about.
If you think they're an advantage you might as well just do a full reset on the cluster, because that's what it will take to remove their effects, effects which can't be removed by removing them.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:34:00 -
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T2 BPOs are a obsolete and redundant game mechanic for T2 production. Really the only reason to remove them.
All this howling about greed and envy is just idiocy. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar T2 BPOs are a obsolete and redundant game mechanic for T2 production. Really the only reason to remove them.
All this howling about greed and envy is just idiocy.
and there it is, the simple truth.
The only value attributed to these in-game items has been placed on them by players.
which leads us neatly back to the people defending keeping T2 BPOs in the game.
+ LDS @ Bclnc
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Puicu
Caldari Rubbish and Garbage Removal Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Recruit Edited by: The Recruit on 15/09/2009 09:22:28
CCP when are you going to remove these items?
BPO T2 is a must, if you will read something about game balancing and economical models you will understand.
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Lareon Denery
Band of Cateteris Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:43:00 -
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Posting in an Akita T thr... oh wait.
*fixs*
Posting in a whine thread, gotcha!
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thesonarnet
Gallente Rukongai
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 15/09/2009 11:29:05
Originally by: Rellik B00n ****ing idiots of course they need removing.
Why? Prove it.
Quote: its been done to death
Apparently not since my lasting impression (and the QENs) is that BPOs are insignificant factors in the current T2 production environment. So, prove it.
Quote: The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them.
Incorrect, but please prove it. Originally by: HankMurphy nice to see everyone for or against the issue was able to give clear concise arguments citing their reasons.
It's mainly because every time this topic comes up, the silly person making the complaint gets facts heaped upon them that disprove their stance so thoroughly that it should be common knowledge by now. It's kind of a "we already know this, and so should you" answer, if you like.
What kind of proof do you want? I mean seriously, you have a group of ppl with a significant advantage (this is similar to having "Production efficiency lvl 6" available for only a few) over the rest. Game mechanics don't allow anyone else to get into that position (I know they could sell, but that's not the point). How about the other side of the argumentation? Where's the proof that the game needs a couple of guys holding unique items and exclude the mass from a system of equal conditions?
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr Via Crucis Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:45:00 -
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CAPITAL LETTERS IN THE THREAD TITLE ADD VALIDITY TO MY ******ED OP
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar V O O D O O
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Rellik B00n The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them.
Or those that realise that because people think T2 BPOs actually have any effect on the market, items with T2 BPOs are more profitable to invent than those without.
Quote: I demand CCP starting to sell 100 unique new "Invulnerable to all" modules, worth 100bill a piece! Bonuses: -Makes ship completely invulnerable to damage -gives 500% damage bonus to all turrets -can be fitted on all ships (including Rookies)
That would be great, right? Would give the owners a little more power but what the hell they paid for it and following the logic here, then it would be ok. Unfair to everyone else? No of course not, because although there are only 100 units in the game, the owners could also sell them. So this way they are still available for everyone :-) What a beautiful world right?!
The lottery was a mistake, however the correction of such a mistake is IMPOSSIBLE, all the T2 BPO owners in existence now paid ISK for them directly or indirectly, way more than they're worth. If T2 BPOs were the module you're proposing, they'd cost 100 billion isk, and increase your HP by 25% and damage by 5%, you'd be able to easily buy another module that did the same for 10million isk, but it would take a week to build, so those people that paid 100 billion isk would still have an advantage to complain about.
If you think they're an advantage you might as well just do a full reset on the cluster, because that's what it will take to remove their effects, effects which can't be removed by removing them.
Yes really over 30% t2 market is hardly any effect that bpos are making, few items are at 20% and some are even at 90-100% amde from bpo. 60D GTC - shattared link |
Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.09.15 11:52:00 -
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Invention is more profitable than production from a t2 bpo.
So why exactly do they need to be removed when they provide no particular benefit beyond a slightly different procedure of manufacture?
They provide mineral efficiency per unit but severely restrict the number of units per hour, this means vastly fewer units to market, which ultimately means slower profit.
Leave t2 bpos as they are.
And nope, i dont own a single t2 bpo.
I'd quite like to hold on to my little invention advantage tyvm.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar V O O D O O
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Posted - 2009.09.15 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Invention is more profitable than production from a t2 bpo.
So why exactly do they need to be removed when they provide no particular benefit beyond a slightly different procedure of manufacture?
They provide mineral efficiency per unit but severely restrict the number of units per hour, this means vastly fewer units to market, which ultimately means slower profit.
Leave t2 bpos as they are.
And nope, i dont own a single t2 bpo.
I'd quite like to hold on to my little invention advantage tyvm.
T2 BPO dont use research slots, being 2x time efficent per manufacturing slot being 40% cheaper to make ( ships), no need to make copies ( you need pos or 1 week wait ). Wait invention is better how ? 60D GTC - shattared link |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.15 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Newsflash and how many bpo you/your main/your alts have? surely sound like bpo owner.
Oh let's see here…
I have a medium CDFE BPO, a medium Anti-EM Screen BPO, a medium Trimark BPO, a medium Anti-Exp Pump BPO, a small Aux trusters BPO, a small Polycarb BPO… oh, and a full set of small hybrid ammo BPOs.
I also have exactly one char: This one. I also also know how much large an influence T2 BPOs have on the market: ****-all.
Now what? You sure sound like a presumptuous twit. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Harkwyth Mist
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.09.15 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n ****ing idiots of course they need removing.
its been done to death and CCP have proved that whilst they can completely alter something like rig BPOs overnight without caring they are far to scared of T2 BPO owners to make the right move.
The only people fighting to keep them are the people that own them.
I don't own any BPO's at all
I also see no problem with the existance of T2 BPO's alongside T1 BPO's and T2 BPC's created through invention.
It is still possible to purchase a T2 BPO of your very own, granted it will not be cheap, but these items represent LONGTERM investment/profit.
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