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Ritzenhoff
Gallente
Fabian Strategy
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Posted - 2009.09.15 15:32:00 -
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Shouldn't this be moved to Science and Industry forum with the other bajillion threads on this topic?
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: small chimp on 15/09/2009 15:33:18
 Originally by: The Recruit
Edited by: The Recruit on 15/09/2009 09:22:28
CCP when are you going to remove these items?
go cry emo kid
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.15 15:42:00 -
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It is not going to happen. T2 Bpo's are here to stay.
Opinion: for christmas we should have another bpo lottery and give all the whiney new pilots a chance to own a bpo. Then its done. no more lotteries again for another year and a half.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 15:57:00 -
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But even the op could buy his t2 bpo? I am sure there are at least some for sale?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n
Edited by: Rellik B00n on 15/09/2009 11:40:50The only value attributed to these in-game items has been placed on them by players./url]
I'm not sure I'm reading this right? but isn't this generally the idea? It being a Player-Driven MMO.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:07:00 -
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It's not "greed and envy" at all, in my case at least.
I just like to manufacture my own ammo and wish i could do the same with T2 Drones.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Opinion: for christmas we should have another bpo lottery and give all the whiney new pilots a chance to own a bpo. Then its done. no more lotteries again for another year and a half.
Better idea: This new year's eve CCP flips a coin. Heads means T2 BPOs stay around, tail means they all get nuked. Flip again next year until they are gone. Risk vs Reward and all that yaddayaddafallaciesyaddayadda.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It's not "greed and envy" at all, in my case at least.
I just like to manufacture my own ammo and wish i could do the same with T2 Drones.
Why don't you just buy some bpo for them?
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azeral kulik
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: azeral kulik
you must still make alot of profit though otherwise you wouldnt have them.
What are you referring to? My T1 rig BPOs?
No, not much profit there (now, when the first rush is over  ). They're mainly for personal usage.
lol thought you where talking about t2 bpo sorry.
anyway im all for unique and rare items, i belive that the special reward ships such as the tribal issue tempest and the guardian vexor should be brought back in. (tribal issue maelstrom would kick ass)
also a new gold magnate should be given to some one.
gives you something to aim for.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It's not "greed and envy" at all, in my case at least.
I just like to manufacture my own ammo and wish i could do the same with T2 Drones.
Why don't you just buy some bpo for them?
I assume you mean BPC?
It's simpler to just buy the drones than have to keep buying copies, or messing around with invention.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: small chimp
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It's not "greed and envy" at all, in my case at least.
I just like to manufacture my own ammo and wish i could do the same with T2 Drones.
Why don't you just buy some bpo for them?
I assume you mean BPC?
It's simpler to just buy the drones than have to keep buying copies, or messing around with invention.
Didn't you just say that you liked to build your own drones? Why buy them then?
Anyway, even if T2 bpos were removed, you'd always find cheaper than building cost on the market, because there's no shortage of fools.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: small chimp
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It's not "greed and envy" at all, in my case at least.
I just like to manufacture my own ammo and wish i could do the same with T2 Drones.
Why don't you just buy some bpo for them?
I assume you mean BPC?
It's simpler to just buy the drones than have to keep buying copies, or messing around with invention.
Didn't you just say that you liked to build your own drones? Why buy them then?
Anyway, even if T2 bpos were removed, you'd always find cheaper than building cost on the market, because there's no shortage of fools.
If i could buy T2 Drone BPO's, i wouldn't be taking part in this discussion...
People don't want to part with their limited edition items, for some strange reason.
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PPUAPU
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:07:00 -
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If you give us all money invested in BPO tech 2 than you can ask ccp to remove them.
And now go start to work for BPO. From release of box with eve in shops all kids start to make threads on forums. 
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
Imperial Syndicate Forces
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Comrade Commizzar
BPO's should be removed for two basic reasons...
1) It is inherently bad game design to build into a game any "advantage" mechanism that is not universally available to or capable of being achieved by ALL players in the game. (The principle of a "level playing field".)
2) The fact that the BPO's can be bought and sold only makes matters worse because this means that the strategically important BPO's will eventually migrate into the hands of a few alliances which will permanently bias ship production costs in their favor, giving them an advantage in any "war of attrition".
As another poster above mentioned, BPO's are not the only problem in Eve. The static nature of non-depleting moon mining operations is even more of an imbalance problem than the BPO's.
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Black Leather
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:19:00 -
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I still have a set of mine BPOs.
I can even still manufacture mines from them.
But completely useless.
Should they be removed from the game? I don't know, but if CCP doesn't see a need to remove completely useless BPOs, why would they remove perfectly good T2 BPOs?
I don't really have a point to make, just boosting my pathetic post count 
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GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:19:00 -
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the cost for buying a t2 bpo theese days is in average 5 years of the profit it can generate.
ccp should state today that in 5 years, they will change t2 bpo's into long run bpc's.
this way all the people who have bought them do not loose any isk. the longer ccp does nothing howevr, the worse the situation becomes.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: GuntiNDDS
the cost for buying a t2 bpo theese days is in average 5 years of the profit it can generate.
ccp should state today that in 5 years, they will change t2 bpo's into long run bpc's.
this way all the people who have bought them do not loose any isk. the longer ccp does nothing howevr, the worse the situation becomes.
So you say CCP should show consideration for people that buy a BPO for so much ISK it takes 5 years of production to start making a profit in the vain hope that EVE will even still exist by then? Since when does CCP protect people from their own massive stupidity?
Such BPO sales are basically scams. People stupid enough to fall for them should not be shown any consideration. At all.
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GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:29:00 -
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i dont see it as a vain hope that eve still exists in 5 years. i am even pretty optimistic eve will still exist in 10+ years.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:39:00 -
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I don't really have any problem with the idea of limited edition BPOs, but it becomes one when we just have one group of people with T2 BPOs lording over everyone for YEARS. If there was a new tech of modules and BPOs every year or something it would be fine, but the way they just let it stagnate is bad for the game.
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Mr Funkadelic
x13
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Edited by: Banana Torres on 15/09/2009 13:00:01
Originally by: Maverick77
OMG not another thread about T2 BPO's .... if you don't like it go play WoW.
I play both, of course, and currently I'm on the Aion beta too.
And of the three Eve Online is the only one that gives one set of players (t2 BPO holders) an advantage over another set of players (inventors). An advantage that the inventors can do nothing about.
Not very PvP, is it?
Why dont you just buy one like all the other t2 bpo owners? Its an advantage just like having officer fitting on a ship is an advantage. You can get exactly the same item, and get exactly the same advantage. Its not like they are locked down and cant be traded to anyone else.
Maybe you should move on to play some Aion, where the CE players wont get an advantage, by getting wings and other nice items, that normal players cant get.
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Elite Contract
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:50:00 -
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Contract them to me and i will make sure they are removed.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:58:00 -
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Altposting in all caps. It must be time then...
Was 'The Crybaby' taken?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:01:00 -
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Its not that hard to remove them:
1) Collect some isk with a goup of people who wants them removed.
2) Make an offer that the t2 bpo holders cannot refuse.
3) Destroy the bpos.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:20:00 -
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Regardless of if they exist or not. Invention will be coming to the market at any rate. So the t2 bpos to even compete have to become cheaper then invention.
So on the consumer. There is a positive effect from t2 bpos. Even if t2 bpos are coming in at invention costs... there no problem on the consumer that way neither.
T2 bpos existing have small effect on the market in terms of costs.
The only thing that is a reality... a person with a t2 bpo... is a cash cow. Inventors can be fighting for 5% profit... the t2 bpos are making 25% profit in that same market.
Extremely unfair.
It is essentially on par with Capships in highsec. If someone started using capships in wars inhighsec... it would be extremely bad in terms of the game. Which is why it was banned from using them.
A few people who are old enough characters to have had the opportunity to get a t2 bpo(char old enough to have highsec capship) compete with everyone else who couldnt possibly try to compete with these characters. Without losing vast amounts of isk in the process.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
T2 BPO production is profitable due to better margins than invention.
Well of course you would say that, with the developers handing your alliance BPOs 
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.15 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Lard
CCP have nerfed
Drones
Armageddons without stacking penalties
MWDs(only 1 at a time)
Titans
High alpha weapon systems(doubled hp of all ships)
Motherships
Warp Core stabilizers
Fast ships
Carriers
Mining
Complexes
and more
They will nerf t2 bpos too. The only people who will whine are the t2 bpo owners who will whine just like the Titan pilots, the dominix pilot, the tempest pilot, the miner, the complex runner, the warp core stab user, and so on before them.
T2 BPO have already been nerfed, you see we have invention.
Look what T2 BPO owners were capable of getting before invention and after.
You will see that there has been a huge nerf there.
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.09.15 20:49:00 -
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These threads are getting more common and Tedious than the 'oh my god, the last patch nerfed invention'.
Things to consider from the QMR :
Page 35 : 97% of all T2 manufacture jobs are from BPC's
Page 36 : 67% of T2 manufacture jobs (ex Drones, Ammo) are from T2 BPC's
Page 40 : 54% of T2 hulls are manufactured by BPO's
Page 42 : HAS (HAC's) 75% of hulls are manufactured by BPC's
Page 43 : Interceptors 16% of Hulls are manufactured by BPC's
Page 44 : Hulks 89% of hulls are by BPC's
Page 46 : 88% of Cap recharger II's are produced by BPC's
Page 47 : 92% of Cov-ops Cloaks are Produced by BPC's
Anyone spotting a pattern yet?????
So Why do T2 BPO's need removing when they impact the market less than inventors, except in a few minority areas, like interceptors.
The reason a lot of items are 'unprofitable' is because of the people that believe datacores are free and dont factor in Failed attempts, if people did prices might rise by 10-15%.
PS : I dont own, (and neither do any of my alts own) a T2 BPO, and we proably never will.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
V O O D O O
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Posted - 2009.09.15 21:38:00 -
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forogten about 33% whole t2 market being from bpo ?
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Nai Ling
Amarr
Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:06:00 -
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Hasn't this been posted like once a month since invention was first ANNOUNCED?!?!?
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Gort
Minmatar
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:19:00 -
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Not again. Jesus wept.
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