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CCP Heimdall
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:36:00 -
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On the evening (GMT) of 15.09.2009, the Singularity server will be upgraded to a new build featuring some new functionality being developed for Dominion.
Currently, there is an issue in the Mac client that prevents us from using it with the new Singularity server build. So temporarily, Macs will be unable to connect to Sisi. This is a temporary issue and we are working hard to resolve it as quickly as possible. As soon as this issue is fixed, we will again support Mac clients on Singularity.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:08:00 -
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nah its ok, you didn't want "those" customers anyways
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fab24
Gallente
Order of Anarchy
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Manu Hermanus
nah its ok, you didn't want "those" customers anyways
Soon your computer will not support TQ!
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Captain Vampire
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:34:00 -
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They are obviously working on a new feature involving the removal of boot.ini 
Its their new hard line against macroers and RMT guys.
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CCP Heimdall
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:53:00 -
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I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi.
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Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.16 12:48:00 -
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Will we be able to run the Sisi client and Tranquility client next to each other on the same machine?
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.16 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
Will we be able to run the Sisi client and Tranquility client next to each other on the same machine?
You can have both clients open at the same time sure assuming your PC is able to run dual clients to begin with :)
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.16 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Heimdall
I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi.
Thanks Heimdall. It'd be nice to get on Sisi to witness a DD though, before they go out of style.
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Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.16 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous
Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
Will we be able to run the Sisi client and Tranquility client next to each other on the same machine?
You can have both clients open at the same time sure assuming your PC is able to run dual clients to begin with :)
Most of the time, yes. But in the last run-up to apocrypha they changed something big so that you couldn't do that, which is why I want it confirmed from a CCP dude.
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Jainia Soltella
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Posted - 2009.09.16 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
Most of the time, yes. But in the last run-up to apocrypha they changed something big so that you couldn't do that, which is why I want it confirmed from a CCP dude.
You could run them side-by-side, you just couldn't use the same preference folder, which you probably shouldn't be doing anyway.
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ElfeGER
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.16 22:23:00 -
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you can always try crossover and install the windows version with it
no problem on Sisi with wine yet
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ark maphar
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Posted - 2009.09.17 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: El***ER
you can always try crossover and install the windows version with it
no problem on Sisi with wine yet
you can run SISI with DARWINE! thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!
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ElfeGER
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: ark maphar
Originally by: El***ER
you can always try crossover and install the windows version with it
no problem on Sisi with wine yet
you can run SISI with DARWINE! thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!
hmm seems to be the same build as the current wine version Wine build for OS X
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CCP Heimdall
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jainia Soltella
Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
Most of the time, yes. But in the last run-up to apocrypha they changed something big so that you couldn't do that, which is why I want it confirmed from a CCP dude.
You could run them side-by-side, you just couldn't use the same preference folder, which you probably shouldn't be doing anyway.
Yes, you can run a client connecting to Sisi and one to TQ side-by-side, but they must run from different installation directories.
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Apple Boy
Gallente
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 15:26:00 -
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Will Dominion be taking advantage of any of the new features in Snow Leopard, such as GCD?
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The Tallman
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:36:00 -
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Man I pray to God CCP can keep Mac's SiSi clients running for the big 48 hour events. That would seriously suck if we miss the opportunity to have all Lev 5 skills and test the new fighter bombers!
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chaosjj
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:36:00 -
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its not very fair if the test on the 18th is closed to mac users,
can'r you wait untill both clients work? then we can ALL test the new faction ships.
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CCP Heimdall
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Posted - 2009.09.18 09:57:00 -
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The test activity will go on as scheduled, but through the development of Dominion, we will be running several such events.
The purpose of this activity is for testing to improve the quality of Dominion, and will provide us with valuable data to fine-tune the release. This will benefit all of our customers - those that use Mac as well as Windows (we use the same base code and assets for Mac and Win). Therefore, it would not be to the benefit of anyone to simply skip the event because Mac users cannot connect at the current time. But we are working to get the Mac client fixed ASAP so that you will be able to be involved in future events.
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Veranius
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Posted - 2009.09.19 00:07:00 -
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Nah, it's cool. I really didn't want to test out flying a titan and having giant titan battles with other people anyway.
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Real Poison
Minmatar
Stormlord Battleforce
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.19 14:03:00 -
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/me is sad. after i missed armageddon day because of work back in the days. now this epic event and no client for the mac :(
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Kirki
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Posted - 2009.09.19 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Heimdall
I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi.
All efforts appreciated Heimdall, and thanks for this thread.
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RazorPoint
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:40:00 -
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Is there any chance that this 'issue' will be resolved before the 25th?
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Apple Boy
Gallente
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.21 15:44:00 -
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any eta on a fix?
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CCP Heimdall
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Posted - 2009.09.22 11:48:00 -
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We currently have no ETA for a fix but I will inform you here as soon as any more is known.
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Dreae
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Posted - 2009.09.22 20:35:00 -
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When are these events? I need to mark my calendar. 
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.22 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/09/2009 20:52:08
Are you going to deploy live without having mac support fixed (if it should come time to deploy and this isn't fixed)? I guess: Will a lack of mac support delay deployment?
-Liang
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Tlamy
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Posted - 2009.09.23 00:44:00 -
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My guess is that if they have not fixed it by deployment of Dominion they will push the date back for everyone. It would be a lot easier to tell every one that they still haven't finished testing or fixing "x", than having to deal with the complaints of all the mac users who wouldn't be able to play.
That being said, I hope the problem is fixed before this weekend. Missing the almost once in a lifetime opportunity to have all level 5 skills for 48 hours would be very very frustrating.
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Cheekything
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.09.23 02:49:00 -
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Windows % Boot camp for anyone worried about missing out I'm sure everyone still has a friend with it burnt onto dvd. 
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OwlManAtt
Gallente
Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.23 02:59:00 -
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Out of curiosity, CCP Heimdall, is the issue related to the interprocess communication going on between EVE and Chromium?
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HZAL
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.09.23 09:31:00 -
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Or try parallels, it works well and can run integrated along side osx, hence the name. so no logging in and out.
also it would truly suck if they launched dominion without mac support and i'm pretty sure they won't do that seeing as we've all paid to play it so they can't launch something that they know some of their customers can't access.
hope they fix it soon though, i wanna see the planets. mmmm planets. muchos respect for sorting them out, they were the last thing that needed to change to make eve look truly awesock imo.
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Princess Galgota
Gallente
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:18:00 -
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I also suspect it's a Chromium-related issue. Too bad Google isn't putting more brains into a proper, official Mac release.
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Ryel Theon
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.24 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Galgota
I also suspect it's a Chromium-related issue. Too bad Google isn't putting more brains into a proper, official Mac release.
Anyone else find it ironic that both Chrome and Safari are WebKit-based browsers and yet the new Chrome-based browser in Dominion may be the reason why there's no working Mac build?
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Atraxerxes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Heimdall
I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi.
Ok, I know it's a test server, so it's not like we are being affected in our game play, but at the same point I have to argue that we are being affected.
The exact problem came up before Apocrypha was released, so Mac users were left in the dark when it came to testing Worm holes & T3 ships. I can only wonder how long we Mac users will go without the ability to test new changes and how those changes will then present themselves as bugs in the first few weeks of the new expansion.
I'd be willing to bet a large amount of isk, that once again after the patch, a section of Mac users will experience an inability to log in and will spend their day refreshing the mac forum waiting for CCP Casqade to post something about a patch or work around.
AX
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CooganV3
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Posted - 2009.09.25 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: CooganV3 on 25/09/2009 08:49:23
Edited by: CooganV3 on 25/09/2009 08:45:40
Originally by: Atraxerxes
Originally by: CCP Heimdall
I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi.
Ok, I know it's a test server, so it's not like we are being affected in our game play, but at the same point I have to argue that we are being affected.
The exact problem came up before Apocrypha was released, so Mac users were left in the dark when it came to testing Worm holes & T3 ships. I can only wonder how long we Mac users will go without the ability to test new changes and how those changes will then present themselves as bugs in the first few weeks of the new expansion.
I'd be willing to bet a large amount of isk, that once again after the patch, a section of Mac users will experience an inability to log in and will spend their day refreshing the mac forum waiting for CCP Casqade to post something about a patch or work around.
AX
Signed.
Even with the minor version patches, MAC clients aren't able to play until someone releases a patch. This just angers ALL EVE customers as they get the message the server is going down again. This is also the reason why many MS players flame MAC players here.
I know CCP are doing what they can, but I cant help feeling that MAC clients are an 'afterthought' during any meetings at the CCP dev offices. (perhaps some figures on the MAC vs MS clients, just to show how much of a minority community we are)
I'd like to remind CCP why you allow us the courtesy of using SISI - This complex game has a small army of loyal players that are willing to perform testing and bug reporting FOR FREE. This is cheap R&D for you, CCP!
Please fix it soon, like, before you release ! or hold the release until you have received feedback from MAC customers on SISI.
Now I'll bet my whole account that wont happen!
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2009.09.25 09:53:00 -
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Fortunately, dominion's release is still months away.
For me though, and i do realise this isn't the reason they have a test server, it's kinda crappy that I'm missing out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fly a titan..
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chaosjj
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Posted - 2009.09.25 11:57:00 -
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what do you think of this CCP Heimdall: if the new IGB is giving problems, why don't you release a temporarily client with the IGB disabled or with the old IGB, this way we can test all other new things in dominion, while you can find a way to fix the new IGM,
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Falbyla
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.25 16:44:00 -
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Yeah, I couldn't care less about the IGB.
But we're missing out on the all level 5 play days. That is something we'll never get back    |
The Tallman
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Posted - 2009.09.25 19:38:00 -
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I understand CCP is doing everything they can and I appreciate it, but from a paying customer's point of view this is what I lose out on.
My whole corp is going to be testing cap fleet tactics tomorrow on the sisi server and I will miss it because Mac's got no client for the test server. I know it's just a game but I feel let down that we pay the same money as everyone else and miss out on things like this.
I know the test server is not what I am actually paying for and if I had time I would spend several hours installing windows on my mac, then install the eve windows client, then install the ventrillo windows client etc... But is that normal in a game like this for a paying customer to have to go through?
Oh well, I don't have the extra time to go through all those hoops for this game so I guess I will miss out on some of the most memorable events in it...
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Apple Boy
Gallente
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:53:00 -
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I agree, if this is a IGB issue can we have a client with it disabled so we can still have fun testing stuff? Or could you let us know what the problem is so people will calm down... or they will rant and rave about how they know that problem and it's such an easy fix blah blah blah so we can flame them to pass the time? tia
And to play devil's advocate, the mac client isn't an afterthought, but there are points where it moves from being CCP's issue to TG's issue (granted, I don't know who's problem it is in this case). Also, CCP has to divide up their resources based on the player base that uses the mac client. It would be stupid of them to put 50% of their resources towards making a bug free mac client if only 5%* of the player base uses it.
* random totally made up guess
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Tlamy
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Posted - 2009.09.27 19:15:00 -
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A lot of people here have said that you can get on SiSi using wine, but has anyone actually done it yet? Atm I can't even get TQ to work using Crossover. I keep on getting errors about not having directx, even though I install the correct version (9.0c) before trying to install EvE. Any suggestions?
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chaosjj
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:01:00 -
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CCP heimdall, Mac users are cut of from the test server for over 2 weeks now, do you have a ETA, or any information at all?
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El Machete
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Posted - 2009.09.29 05:24:00 -
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Humm - maybe we should all go back to blizzard :-)
But seriously - WTF CCP?
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.10.02 13:04:00 -
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I've said this elsewhere but thought it needed repeating here. I know how much the silence sucks.
A note from your Linux "minority" kin my good Mac friends.
For Linux, the release of Wine that first successfully ran Apoc, does not run the Sisi Dominion test. Later versions of wine do. This appears to be due, as already identified, with the Chromium IGB (moondoggie) compatibility and the XP SP3 requirement. Later versions of Wine utilise Awsomium, the compatible library of Chromium. While moondoggie itself occasionally "goes black" the game loads and runs fine otherwise. This is very likely the very same issue Mac client suffers.
In short, it IS possible for Cedega to support Dominion. It is not an unsolved issue. You will eventually get it. When, is up to how hard Cedega work on this. The lack of response from CCP is a political glitch. CCP employees that can write on this forum are not responsible for the issue at hand. Cedega employees, for what ever reason, aren't responding to you here. The Linux users used to get the same, insulting and infuriating silence.
Sucks don't it.
I don't know the general success of Wine on MAC, it may work well. I must warn you USE THE OFFICIAL CLIENT if at all possible, at least in parallel. If Wine works and you switch to it, CCP have no current method of detecting it, and as such will drop Mac if they think it's not used enough. It's what happened to us. As you stand, you are safe.
@CCP Heimdall: Could you perhaps bend Cedega/Transgaming's ear and get them to assign a dev or PR person to read this and the Mac thread and reply. I understand this is not actually your gig, but it's your service they are harming. Which is otherwise a excellent and cooperative during the dev stage.
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
The Executioners
BOGLYFT
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:23:00 -
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Quote:
This is a temporary issue
you know you can do it b4 a month is up.... Don't punish us!!!! Wanna work some new fits b4 we go front line with em.
Sorry, cannot convert to bootcamp. The rest of non game works too well.
And thank you for a great game. x
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Filarion
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Posted - 2009.10.04 16:21:00 -
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would be great to have a working mac version sometime before December 1st indeed... if it doesn't have moondoggy or not, I really don't care much as long as I can test sov with our ally members.
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The Tallman
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:29:00 -
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+1 for totally not caring about the In game browser. I do need to test with the rest of my corp on several important things...
Need sisi access please....
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chaosjj
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Posted - 2009.10.05 06:52:00 -
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Edited by: chaosjj on 05/10/2009 06:53:26
agree, i don't care about the IGB, i never use it anyway.
P.S we would like some more feedback CCP
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JungTzu
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Posted - 2009.10.05 15:28:00 -
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Snif, all my corpmates are doing some tests on Sisi... And they are telling me that's fantastic. I'm sad... 
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:22:00 -
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By the sounds of fan fest Moondoggie might not be included in Dec (sov day :D) release, but will come later. Due to potential security issues and concerns.
In which case as we get closer to release SiSi will become Mac compatible (A guess) when they remove it.
It also flags this as an issue for the eventual Moondoggie release on Mac, means Cedega have longer to resolve the issue.
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BAteh
JointMasters Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.06 00:50:00 -
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CCP should just simply suspend access to EVERYONE until they can make EVERYONE have the same (insert 'advantages', 'testing paranoia', 'bug report monkeys') abilities.
That is all.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
Icarus Prime
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:42:00 -
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Seriously, people, bite the bullet and give the bastards at Microsoft your cash for a copy of Winblows, and play Eve in bootcamp. I play on a Mac Pro and the difference between Mac and Windows is like night and day. CCP only tweaks Eve so that it will, barely, run in Transgaming's Win32 environment. Mostly CCP sleeps with Microsoft (I mean, seriously, they even make a big issue of running Microsoft Sql Server for the backend database as if anyone really gave a damn) and only support the Mac to a certain extent because it's popularity has grown enough for CCP to think they would lose an opportunistic buck if they didn't support it.
And, dearest CCP, if you don't like the criticism, then prove me wrong!
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droii
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Posted - 2009.10.06 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: droii on 06/10/2009 17:45:15
All the "I am a paying customer" aside, what is really the most worrying issue of getting the client shipped late is the fact that we get less time to test it and find more bugs (yes there will be more bugs every release :) .
This is putting the mac client back in the release cycle, and that will eventually give the developers even less time to iron out the bugs... result; a release client with more bugs then the other version people use on TQ. (We have seen this before, and it seems its about to happen again.)
And to those "just pay your MS tax ppl", one word... NO.
I started playing eve when I did for a reason, and that reason was a Mac client.
If I wanted to run another operating system I would have, but I dont so stop making that a "possible fix" reason. It may be for you personaly, but it aint that for all of us.
So Im just hoping CCP is leaning on the cider ppl every day and making sure they are working on it. It must suck for them also to have to outsource the finalizing for a client.
Been a long time since we heard anything now thu, any news?
Edit: if this is only a moondogie issue release a client without it please, who of the mac players have been using the IGB since dec 07 anyway? Really, its slow as hell and I haven opened it since about that time ;)
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Falbyla
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.06 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: droii
Edit: if this is only a moondogie issue release a client without it please, who of the mac players have been using the IGB since dec 07 anyway? Really, its slow as hell and I haven opened it since about that time ;)
Even if Moondoggie is quick and stable, I wouldn't use it. I'd rather be in an OOG browser, having the ability to get it off my screen instantly using Cmd-Tab. |
John Haldane
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:49:00 -
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Even if it's just a "we're working on it; not yet", could we get an update on this issue? Pretty please?
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:28:00 -
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Slight correction on my original post.
- It's the Flash that will be delayed until after dominion, not mooddoggie itself.
- Awsomium is a complete additional library layer on tom of chromium, not a wine alternative.
So all of the raised concerns are valid :(
I can only hope for you Mac guys that they get it right this time. I COMPLETELY agree that you should not have to "pay an MS tax". OSX costs money anyway (Even if the price was included when you bought hardware), so having to pay additional is ridiculous.
CCP, it is OK to just pop up and say "still working on this". The silence makes users expect the worst.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:00:00 -
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this was posted in the Mac forums.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189313
quote=TG Maladara]Edited by: TG Maladara on 03/10/2009 12:58:04
Originally by: OwlManAtt
Unless Transgaming is doing some serious voodoo, the status of Chrome/Chromium's OS X ports are completely irrelevant to us.
Nope - we are indeed doing serious voodoo so that EVE will use the OS X version of Chromium. Without this, Mac browser plugins could not be made to work.
This is actually something we do a fair bit in different cases - we expose OS X or Cocoa code through a Win32 DLL interface so that both APIs can be used in the places they are most appropriate.
so it looks like Transgaming is working on the issue and the INB will be a native OS X .app
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
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Ocularus Dothumiter
Amarr
Lyonesse.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:15:00 -
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I just want to know, are we going to have it by Friday or not... If we aren't please just tell us. |
Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hagis McBree
so it looks like Transgaming is working on the issue and the INB will be a native OS X .app
Well...thank god there's some news on the subject. I just sincerely hope CCP gives us some time to test it on Singularity before it goes live, so we don't have a broken client at launch date. We're missing out on enough of the fun as is.
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Krystal Flores
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Posted - 2009.10.09 23:38:00 -
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you are not missing much for the cap tests; all there is to do is wait over two hours to log in.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.10.10 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hagis McBree
this was posted in the Mac forums.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189313
Originally by: TG Maladara
Edited by: TG Maladara on 03/10/2009 12:58:04
Originally by: OwlManAtt
Unless Transgaming is doing some serious voodoo, the status of Chrome/Chromium's OS X ports are completely irrelevant to us.
Nope - we are indeed doing serious voodoo so that EVE will use the OS X version of Chromium. Without this, Mac browser plugins could not be made to work.
This is actually something we do a fair bit in different cases - we expose OS X or Cocoa code through a Win32 DLL interface so that both APIs can be used in the places they are most appropriate.
so it looks like Transgaming is working on the issue and the INB will be a native OS X .app
That looks like it leads to a solid follow up question of "Are we waiting for Google Chrome for Mac?" before we can test/even get Dominion?
So from the 30 min FanFest IGB presentation it looks like part of the issue is that the Win architecture for Moondoogie is to run it as a second process separate from the Eve client (ccpbrowser.exe). I am going to guess this is creating part of the problem; will cider run them as one process or be able to separate them?
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CCP Nimbus
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Posted - 2009.10.11 15:31:00 -
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Hey guys, while I don't have an ETA for a Mac build (aside from SoonÖ) we are still working very hard on getting the Sisi client up and running on Macs. Rest assured that this has not been forgotten about, and this is a very high priority issue for us (I'm a Mac user myself ).
I will try to keep this thread up to date with information about where we are upto, but often there is not a lot to tell aside from "we are working on it".
Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for your patience.
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Zanon Ar'Dhaos
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.10.11 16:44:00 -
[62]
Originally by: CCP Nimbus
Hey guys, while I don't have an ETA for a Mac build (aside from SoonÖ) we are still working very hard on getting the Sisi client up and running on Macs. Rest assured that this has not been forgotten about, and this is a very high priority issue for us (I'm a Mac user myself ).
I will try to keep this thread up to date with information about where we are upto, but often there is not a lot to tell aside from "we are working on it".
Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for your patience.
I think I speak for others when I say that I do appreciate that you are continuing to work on it and that you have given some update, albeit one that is very, very detail light (for example, if it's that you're waiting on just the browser that would give us a better idea of how long it might take). However, I'd also like to express serious disappointment over the timing here, particularly re: the Dominion changes and supercap test happening right now. For most of us this might have been a once in the game experience, and we may never be able to fly a super cap again. So bad luck, but regrettable nonetheless .
So if it was not something related to the core of the game (graphics engine or whatever), I hope next time you'll look into maybe cutting out whatever piece is the hold up so you can at least get out something that can be used to test other features, even if that meant that the browser for example just came up with an empty window and a big "Work in Progress." Looking forward to trying out some of the other features maybe before Dominion's launch though. Thanks for you continued work.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:17:00 -
[63]
Originally by: CCP Nimbus
I will try to keep this thread up to date with information about where we are upto, but often there is not a lot to tell aside from "we are working on it".
Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for your patience.
Thank you. Very good to hear.
I'm as disappointed as the others that we rabid Apple fans don't get to play with the others in the supercap tests...but as long as there's something to test (and make sure works) before Dominion goes live, I'll be happy.
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amora gore
Caldari
JASDIP
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.14 09:43:00 -
[64]
Can i get a bump or instructions how to run on the test server, i know their is some command string you need to put in the shortcut, that part is what i need help with.
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CCP Heimdall
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Posted - 2009.10.14 14:00:00 -
[65]
Hello everyone,
As Nimbus points out, we have not lost any sight of this and continue to work on it, and will be resolving it as soon as humanly possible. I would also like to point out that we cannot give all of the technical details of issues we face. I assure you that we have looked into, and will continue to look into, all options of how to handle this temporary problem - including all of the suggestions that have been made here, as well as many others not mentioned here (as we are directly involved in the development and are working on this every day).
We do not like this situation. And we appreciate that this is frustrating to many of our players as well. We appreciate any patience that you can afford us while we work through this issue.
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Capt Clavain
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Posted - 2009.10.14 15:15:00 -
[66]
Native client! The Mac pretendulation is just a sad faded image of what a real client on the Mac for this game could be.
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MOAB DaBomb
Duco Ergo Sum
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Posted - 2009.10.14 16:56:00 -
[67]
Let me just say - VMWare.... *not* fun.
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The Tallman
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Posted - 2009.10.14 19:30:00 -
[68]
Thanks for the update Heimdall..
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Princess Galgota
Gallente
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.10.15 10:19:00 -
[69]
Thanks for the update. Good to know you're working on it and actually use Macs in the Dev team - thought I'd spotted a few in the lectures / roundtables.
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davefromfrontoffice
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Posted - 2009.10.15 19:52:00 -
[70]
Ok im not using a mac and when i try to log on to sisi it says incompatable(build).
But it doesnt dl the build.Is the server down for all or do i need to dl build manually?
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.10.16 02:36:00 -
[71]
People use macs?
<Begin flame war here>
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Swearte Widfarend
Gallente
Aurora Security
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.10.16 20:54:00 -
[72]
Just set up Boot Camp on your mac and boot up as a PC for Sisi.
Not that hard to do.
Although I am worried that this close to Dec 1 (6 weeks?) there is no Mac client on Sisi - fearful that there won't be one for Tranq when Dominion goes live....
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:08:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Swearte Widfarend
Just set up Boot Camp on your mac and boot up as a PC for Sisi.
Not that hard to do.
You just suggested people spend $150 to play around on the test server.
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Cheekything
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.10.17 13:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Blastil
People use macs?
<Begin flame war here>
I kill you.
CCP will make it work or reimburse or buy us PCs 
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James Bullseye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.18 20:53:00 -
[75]
Hello!I download the new test singularity client and still Incompatible with the server, new version still don't avvalibe.So.. What happend down there??
I look for the patch i don't find any new..Everything good the ip the client version so if you have a clue then tell me please.
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Lord Accio
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Posted - 2009.10.19 02:39:00 -
[76]
I'm having the same problem (on PC) incompatible build with the "current version" and correct command string...
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boliano
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Posted - 2009.10.19 02:50:00 -
[77]
Ok i use a pc and i logged in to sisi and it tells me incompatible build? I have the latest version and theres no patch to update it.I then re dl the client and am still having the same issue.Anyone know why?
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.19 04:08:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Stealthbug on 19/10/2009 04:08:46
Originally by: boliano
Ok i use a pc and i logged in to sisi and it tells me incompatible build? I have the latest version and theres no patch to update it.I then re dl the client and am still having the same issue.Anyone know why?
At least you got to play during the events. Go QQ elsewhere kthx.
What's going to happen, is Dominion will be released BEFORE this is fixed, and then CCP will get a flood of complaints from Mac players that Dominion doesn't work properly. Apocrypha 2.0 >_>;
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boliano
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:02:00 -
[79]
Edited by: boliano on 19/10/2009 15:02:08
Well as i said i dont have a mac, i actually use a dell.But again i dl the client over again and STILL it keeps saying incompatible(build) but i have the most current version already!!!!My question to ccp is why,i know macs cant currently log in but im NOT using a mac and i still cannot login to sisi. Is there a reason why, maybe ccp can comment on this b4 i throw my comp.
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A'mah to'Muel
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Posted - 2009.10.20 20:07:00 -
[80]
Originally by: boliano
Edited by: boliano on 19/10/2009 15:02:08
Well as i said i dont have a mac, i actually use a dell.But again i dl the client over again and STILL it keeps saying incompatible(build) but i have the most current version already!!!!My question to ccp is why,i know macs cant currently log in but im NOT using a mac and i still cannot login to sisi. Is there a reason why, maybe ccp can comment on this b4 i throw my comp.
this isnt a tech support thread, this is a "why it sux to own a mac AND pay for eve at the same time" thread.
But seriously, is the mac TQ client gonna have a bunch of bugs? caz i still havent been reimbursed (petitioning is a lost cause) for the **** that happened due to the apocrypha bugs. |
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Zanon Ar'Dhaos
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.10.21 03:25:00 -
[81]
Originally by: boliano
Edited by: boliano on 19/10/2009 15:02:08
Well as i said i dont have a mac, i actually use a dell.
In that case what the heck are you doing posting in this thread? Based on your writing you do not have a very firm grasp on English, so let me be the second to inform you that if you want some generic PC tech support this is pretty obviously not the thread for it. Duh.
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:39:00 -
[82]
CCP Heimdall, CCP Nimbus: Soon TM is fine. Updating us with "Nothing yet" is very cool and as important as "fixed". I'm as concerned about the actuality of how close this is cutting it. Hell Transgaming vs CCP in general, but all the winging and legit theory's aside progress updates are incredibly important. Even if it is no progress. Hell especially if its no progress. Silence is a killer.
I for one will body blow any rotten fruit thrown @CCPNimbus because you stood up and said Soon TM  (Not rotten eggs thought, i have my limits).
Incompatible build": The test server fluxes from one phase into the next. Very fast at this point in time.
Quite often the webserver they host the patches on doesn't get updated straight away, but they do it as soon as they can. You can try and guess the patch download link (easier than you'd think if you know the build numbers), but chances are when your patched you will find the server is in VIP mode for CCP testing only. So this with "Incompatible build" are caught between changes. It is NOT a bug. Wait and a new patch will be served up and you will be able to log on shortly after that.
So for god sake be patient, its a test server and as such has NO requirement to be working for us, except on nominated dates.
This has nothing to do with the mac client though. There is no patch support for the MAC client on Sisi atm, so I've no idea how you got this far.
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Evil Cain
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Posted - 2009.10.22 12:17:00 -
[83]
I have been trying to connect to the Test server and allways have the same problem incompatible build, even with a new download what is going on ?
getting very bored with this issue
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The Tallman
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:04:00 -
[84]
The test server is one thing. People on mac's living in 0.0 are now missing the opportunity to test the new sov system, which basically totally changes the game.
But what we should all be hoping for now is a working client when Dominion launches. If we come down to a week from release and still have no working client for test server, it will probably mean for safety mac users living in 0.0 should move their most valuable assets to low sec npc station. ex-carriers, dreads, JF's etc...
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Collimator
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:18:00 -
[85]
any news when the new build will come ?
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:03:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Collimator
any news when the new build will come ?
Originally by: CCP Nimbus
Hey guys, while I don't have an ETA for a Mac build (aside from SoonÖ)
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BRAZEN FURY
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:31:00 -
[87]
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chaosjj
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Posted - 2009.10.26 00:23:00 -
[88]
dominion is about a month away now, and we still have no client, will we have any testing time before december CCP?
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:49:00 -
[89]
Hi all,
There is progress and we are now near a potential Singularity client candidate. It will be with you all SoonÖ.
We still very much care about you all and we are still working on Dominion support for Mac.
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Zanon Ar'Dhaos
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:38:00 -
[90]
Originally by: CCP Casqade
Hi all,
There is progress and we are now near a potential Singularity client candidate. It will be with you all SoonÖ.
We still very much care about you all and we are still working on Dominion support for Mac.
Thank you for the update at least. It's been really, really disappointing to miss out on all the cool tests going on for Dominion, but it's good that at least it looks like we'll probably have a non-last minute client before it actually goes live and thus won't be forced to evacuate critical stuff from nullsec. Looking forward to seeing Dominion at last and getting a week or two maybe to test out the changes.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.27 23:54:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CCP Casqade
Hi all,
There is progress and we are now near a potential Singularity client candidate. It will be with you all SoonÖ.
We still very much care about you all and we are still working on Dominion support for Mac.
Any chance it'll be ready by the end of the month? There are some new shiny projectile things I'm antsy to test out.
In any case, thanks for keeping us updated!
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2009.10.28 09:29:00 -
[92]
Fact of the matter is mac clients are of least priority but CCP is forced to do something about it because the 3% mac players provide some revenue after all?
It's taken quite a while now, all I'm saying
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2009.10.28 11:57:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Fact of the matter is mac clients are of least priority but CCP is forced to do something about it because the 3% mac players provide some revenue after all?
This is absolutely not true. We release bi-weekly iterations of dominion to Singularity and attempting to do a running support and try to ensure that it works in every iteration will take extra time and effort out of both CCP and TransGaming. We have decided not to go with that approach. Instead we have decided to invest that time on work so that we can say "From here and on, the Mac client will work for Singularity".
This is why it is taking time, but we are almost there.
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Aoi Hane
Amarr
Arkons of Myth
Aequitas Infinitas
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:30:00 -
[94]
=( very sad panda. we are missing out on alllll of the testing, super cap play and all v skills.... please hurry
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Real Poison
Minmatar
Stormlord Battleforce
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.10.29 09:22:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Casqade
This is why it is taking time and we are almost there. But we are convinced that you will like the end result.
that's what we want to hear :)
i almost wanted to ask for a version without moondoggie so we could at least see and check things like the supercaps. since i'm playing windowed only (2 screens) moondoggie is nothing but *yawn*
personally my biggest concern are changesto projectiles :S
i don't like the idea of having to learn how my ships guns work AFTER the release dominion.
IMO that's an unfair disadvantage.
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Kirkstain
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Posted - 2009.10.29 12:37:00 -
[96]
Originally by: CCP Casqade
This is absolutely not true...
..."From here and on, the Mac client will work for Singularity"...
...and we are almost there. But we are convinced that you will like the end result.
Good news and the update is appreciated.
Suggest CCP shout in here (or perhaps a new thread under the Mac forum) when you need Mac users to test the new client. I get the impression there are a few of us lined up ready and waiting to hit SiSi.
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Enduros
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.30 17:36:00 -
[97]
So soonÖ I guess =(
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If you find the post above offensive feel free to feel offended. |
guy3004
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Posted - 2009.10.30 18:12:00 -
[98]
annnnnnnd....another test day bites the dust....for mac testers
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2009.10.30 19:05:00 -
[99]
Grrr ...
Oh well. We'll help test on TQ, starting december 1st then :)
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Mac Tyer
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:51:00 -
[100]
what test on TQ?
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Zanon Ar'Dhaos
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.11.03 02:10:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Mac Tyer
what test on TQ?
WHOOSH!
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2009.11.04 19:18:00 -
[102]
Update: If everything goes well, we're hoping to bring you a client this week.
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Roblight
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Posted - 2009.11.04 21:35:00 -
[103]
Originally by: CCP Casqade
Update: If everything goes well, we're hoping to bring you a client this week.
WOW nice thanks for the update and it would really be nice to start testing out some fits on the test server.
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2009.11.05 18:29:00 -
[104]
The mac client is now available for download.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:42:00 -
[105]
Originally by: CCP Casqade
The mac client is now available for download.
I sure hope this is the real thing..
Originally by: WARNING
WARNING!
Hackers are spamming our forums with links leading to key-loggers/Trojans and then ruining the accounts of players that navigate to those links.
You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. Please check that the URL shown below is what you expected it to be before following it.
If you wish to proceed please click the link below, or press your browsers back button to return to where you were.
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/mac/eve-premium_003065_111809_test-mac.dmg
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CCP Gangleri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.05 20:17:00 -
[106]
The link is legit, the official test server download page will be updated as soon as possible. Instead of waiting we opted for this quicker way of getting the Mac client out there to you guys.
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Kirkstain
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:34:00 -
[107]
I'm in! Thanks for getting the mac client up to speed ccp. :)
I'll play and feedback any issues in the other thread you've setup.
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Tlamy
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Posted - 2009.11.06 00:09:00 -
[108]
Many thanks for all the hard work you guys have put into this.
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guy3004
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Posted - 2009.11.06 01:39:00 -
[109]
*cough* special cap testing day for mac users..? *cough* *cough*
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.08 07:09:00 -
[110]
CCP, you rock!!
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So Macho
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Posted - 2009.11.08 18:05:00 -
[111]
Holy Guacamole! I hope my wife gets the swine flu so I can have some game time 8D
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.08 20:09:00 -
[112]
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Now....what is that incredibly annoying new static noise that goes on loop at every gate?
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Mendolorian Girl
Caldari
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:51:00 -
[113]
Originally by: CCP Gangleri
The link is legit, the official test server download page will be updated as soon as possible. Instead of waiting we opted for this quicker way of getting the Mac client out there to you guys.
many thanks for this, now if only you hadn't mirrored during the 4 hours my mothership account was unsubscribed it might actually be useful to me . I assume any response to "when you gonna mirror next" wouldn't be something I want to hear right :)
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:52:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Mendolorian Girl
many thanks for this, now if only you hadn't mirrored during the 4 hours my mothership account was unsubscribed it might actually be useful to me . I assume any response to "when you gonna mirror next" wouldn't be something I want to hear right :)
Post here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=509355 and they might just reactivate the account.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2009.11.10 17:58:00 -
[115]
so i got sisi working
however
Somehow with the new sisi client on mac i get some weird mode where i get a square screen with black bars on the sides. This is resulting me not being able to use my drones (because the screen is too small) and not being able to use all my modules if I fit something in my 8th highslot.
It has nothing to do with resolution, i tried changing that. Kinda looks like the ''safe mode'' you sometimes had on PC's
Anyone experienced something like this?
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The Tallman
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Posted - 2009.11.11 04:36:00 -
[116]
24in IMac Mac OS 10.5.6, 4GB Ram
Model Name:iMac
Model Identifier:iMac8,1
Processor Name:Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed:3.06 GHz
Number Of Processors:1
Total Number Of Cores:2
L2 Cache:6 MB
Memory:4 GB
Bus Speed:1.07 GHz
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS 512 MB
I am getting bad lag on the mac sisi client when:
I am in station and I activate the ship fitting window
Fitting ships, drag and dropping mods onto the ship fitting window
Market, buying item, takes several seconds for the item to appear in hanger
In space, clicking warp to 0, causes slide show effect, same as if 200+ were in local during fleet fight
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Asurix
Caldari
StoneDogS
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Posted - 2009.11.11 09:35:00 -
[117]
Ok i just downloaded the last patch for sisi and now, for some reason, my eve client just shuts down even before i can get out of the login-warp
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corwin1
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Posted - 2009.11.11 10:06:00 -
[118]
You rock CCP
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Tlamy
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:50:00 -
[119]
So much for that. The new patch makes the client crash upon entering space...
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corwin1
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:53:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Tlamy
So much for that. The new patch makes the client crash upon entering space...
I had the same problem, luckily the latest update fixed that problem Thanks CCP  on another note does anyone know when the next cap testing day is?
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