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Luminus Aardokay
Gallente
SI Radio
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Posted - 2009.09.18 10:47:00 -
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With the release of Apocrypha we've seen corporations who took upon colonizing w-space, and found out how important Bookmark usage to navigation is. For most of those corps the daily routine is a scan of their home system, bookmarking sites and wormhole exits and then share the bookmarks with the rest of the corporation through the usage of a hangar in a POS.
However, this approach is highly inefficient as copying of bookmarks becomes tedious (Move the bookmark to your ship's cargo hold, transfer it to People and Places, then make a copy from your bookmarks back to the corp hangar) and the information presented on the bookmarks themselves while in a container or hangar is practically non-existent, even if you check the info of a bookmark leading corps to devise naming schemes for their bookmarks that relay the information lacking by the game to the corpmates.
Finally, corp bookmark management will become even more tedious as the preliminary patch notes for Dominion state that bookmarks will no longer be allowed to be stored in corp hangars in POSes.
A suggestion there would be a new Bookmark handling mechanism for shared corporation use, similar to the saved corp ship fittings one.
- A corp role for "Corp Bookmarks" access is created with View/Modify permissions
- The "Shared Corp Bookmarks" (SCB) tool would work pretty much like the People and Places (P&P) one.
- SCB should support folders and subfolders for organization purposes
- SCB entries should indicate time of the bookmark's creation as well as the system they've been created in (much like the P&P tool does) and finally the first creator of the Bookmark.
- When adding a bookmark, a user should have the option to add a description for the bookmark (much like what happens with every other user transaction), which would be visible if a person hovers the mouse over the bookmark in SCB or P&P.
- Right clicking on a bookmark in SCB should have an additional "COPY TO" function which would open a tree of the user's P&P bookmark folders to copy to, much like the tree of available chat channels when a person right click on a player and invites them to one. A destination should also be "SHIP HANGAR" if the user is not in a pod.
- The same functionality should be implemented on bookmarks found in a user's P&P, such as COPY TO -> CORP BOOKMARKS -> ALL BOOKMARKS or COPY TO -> CORP BOOKMARKS -> USER DEFINED FOLDER
- Dragging a bookmark into a chat channel should create a link to the bookmark. Pilots who click on it get an information window with the bookmark's details (name, coordinates, date added, system, description, first creator). Right clicking on the link, should pop the usual functions along with the COPY TO one.
This bookmark management idea ties in perfectly with the game lore as well, since bookmarks are nothing more than an encapsulated set of information including vector coordinates and textual descriptions are entities that can be transmitted through communication channels and there is no real need for them to be exchanged as physical items. In fact, (and this being an educated guess here) if bookmark management and sharing got totally disengaged from bookmarks being treated as inventory items it could help with the stress the database undergoes when bookmark instances are created as items (Need for speed initiative anyone?).
Your thoughts?
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Felix Macey
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:20:00 -
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One of the best ideas I've seen on here for ages. Gets my vote o/
Opening a container with 20+ bookmarks in makes tranquillity cry 
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megali tsoula
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: megali tsoula on 18/09/2009 11:31:01
Edited by: megali tsoula on 18/09/2009 11:29:19
Avesome idea...The currently way with the bookmarks is a living hell and believe it or not its my daily headache when i log at EvE. I wish there was that tool that organises bookmarks. Very good thinking luminous.
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Buran Gromazekin
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:39:00 -
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Vote for this idea.
Author described much detailed suggestion then me here: http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1179809&page=1
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Quivering Palm
Caldari
SI Radio
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:44:00 -
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Needless to say this will be purely awesome if it can coinside with Dominion launch - when bookmarks can no longer be placed in POS structures!
Not to mention the confusion of various naming schemes I've seen being used by us and other corporations, trying to name the bookmarks with names such as:
J124534|C2|RET-123|1807|Back to PR
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PR|CN|OMG-911|1806|CCP-US
^^ and it's all about Need for Speed for servers right? Given the amount of time it takes to look in a corp hangar full of bookmarks - this must be quite a load on the servers too! |
Sedilis
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:24:00 -
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Yes this is a headache for my corp. Its a pain when you think you've got a full copy of the wormhole bookmarks for that day only to get a few systems down the pipe and find you've got one missing 
o/ one more vote.
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Xiin Dalir
Minmatar
Savage Gecko
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:40:00 -
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This is great, gets my vote.
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Therona
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Posted - 2009.09.18 14:05:00 -
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Great idea!
No more BM shuffling thru your cargo and no more missing BM's...
"Align To" feature would be great :D
Gets my vote!!!
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Squizz Caphinator
First Flying Wing Inc
Primary.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:00:00 -
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Having lived in w-space I understand the bookmark pains all too well. I fully support the OP's suggestions.
Such features won't make it into Dominion though, the development has progressed too far to add these great ideas on such short notice.
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Nireen
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:31:00 -
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I would love to see this implemented, it would be great!
good idea's!
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:37:00 -
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/signed. Even if its just so me and the alts have it a bit easier...
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TechPalatinus
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:40:00 -
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Myself and my corp have been living in wspace since apocrypha was released and I have to admit the bm system is one of the corps all time pet peeves. I for one would more than welcome a better system.
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Merinid Dormer
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Posted - 2009.09.18 22:22:00 -
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Exeptional idea. covers all aspects of the issue. It would be really cool to see it included into the new expantion. Good job Luminus
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Minchurra
Caldari
Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2009.09.18 22:48:00 -
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Awesome. /signed
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.09.19 02:14:00 -
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Yep, need better sharing of this kind of data, be it book marks or some sort of shared entries in the journal, as in this idea ...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1172178
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Estar Tarns
SI Radio
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Posted - 2009.09.21 17:06:00 -
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Agree, this is a must.
If CCP are going to remove the bookmarks from hangars, they will almost effectivly make it harder, if not too hard, for smaller corps in lower class levels to even help each other out with the most basic things as hauling from a site or another wormhole.
I am stunned to see how hard CCP hammers down on wormhole dwellers without compensating with anything.
I do hope they are working on something to compensate for this.
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Zarxoniuz
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Posted - 2009.09.21 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Zarxoniuz on 21/09/2009 17:53:46
supporting the thread starter.
Thinking about additional ideas - It'll be cool if bookmark locations would be displayed in space as an icons. (Like gates, planets, moons...)
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Grumples McGee
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Posted - 2009.09.21 18:09:00 -
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I support anything that involves improving bookmark management.
We use bookmark containers now and it's a pain. If nothing else, a container with 30 bookmarks takes like 2 minutes to load and display its contents. That can't be good for server CPU usage.
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Syfa
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Posted - 2009.09.24 07:14:00 -
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Signed, will make logistics *much* easier on wormhole operating corps.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.24 08:42:00 -
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/signed
I had 'bookmarks' listed on an ideas list for me to post about in this forum when I had some time. You beat me too it.
After all, a Bookmark is just some co-ordinates, if I can send a text based message to another ship, why cant I send a bookmark.
As a main + alt player who explores WHs, I believe this would be an improvement to the game!!!!
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Nagus LeGrand
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Posted - 2009.09.25 07:12:00 -
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/signed
Yes, please! This would make corp bookmark management SO much easier.
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MacMasters
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Posted - 2009.09.25 07:34:00 -
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bookmarks should be shared easily between anyone as a rule. in game and in an rpg sense they're saved 3d coords. how hard is it to tell someone 3 numbers?
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Ivana Twinkle
Amarr
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:09:00 -
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this is a great OP
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DMac88
Caldari
PROject Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:58:00 -
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/signed
nice idea
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Xenon Vertillia
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.09.30 09:04:00 -
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Always thought the Bookmarking system needed a overhaul, With WH it really does, and this would be a nice solution...
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Jaggins
Remedy Squadron
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Posted - 2009.10.01 04:49:00 -
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/signed. This would be a good issue for future CSM to push. Even better, CCP could just implement it because it is a great idea!
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Reggie Stoneloader
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 06:11:00 -
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As an alternative to instawarp bookmarks, this was a good idea. In the context of W-Space, it's spectacular. Signed in triplicate. Sharing navigational data among corporation members is something that would benefit every level of cooperative play in EvE.
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Seiver D'amross
Subach-Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.01 07:28:00 -
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/signed
this is a win idea
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xenermorph
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:51:00 -
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/agree
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:52:00 -
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Have a /signed
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