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Covered Enemy	Posted - 2009.09.23 00:21:00 - [1] hi, there have been a few controversies on whether destroyers/interdictors, but i just want to know a strait answer, are destroyers/interdictors allowed in FFA 5?
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.09.23 00:44:00 - [2] Depends on who the nitwit is who replies. I had one BH on sisi respond to my question by asking whether the destroyer was a frigate. I then rhetorically answered that if it's not a frigate, then it must be a cruiser, right? To which he only bumbled around verbally and hassled me with threats of banning should I go to a frigate area in a destroyer. Other CCP representatives say it isn't a problem at all. The real problem is that destroyers are a class of ship only in name. In reality, they are just a high end gank T1 frigates. CCP never gave them a role that was worth a damn (kills frigates? lol), and now with the assault ship boost, destroyers are nearly worthless unless you are minni. So in a nutshell you're going to be told to take your bastard hull to the place where HACs or Cruisers hang out. Originally by: Dass Gus I need some help,i'm frenchmen ok so ccp bannish my account without proov, doesn't respond to my petition since 3 weaks, WHAT I AM SUPPOSE TO DO ? Call justice and take lawer ?
McFly	Posted - 2009.09.23 01:01:00 - [3] there used to be a frigate FFA, a frigate and destroyer FFA, and 2 more that were for straight T1 hulls. But I guess since destroyers really dont get a ton of use, CCP removed the beacons to add others like the T3 Beacon.
Covered Enemy	Posted - 2009.09.28 16:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Covered Enemy on 28/09/2009 16:05:42 need a dev to answer this plz, i've had contradicting answers in test server, and i want to give a solid answer with support
Cain m Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.09.28 16:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Covered Enemy Edited by: Covered Enemy on 28/09/2009 16:05:42 need a dev to answer this plz, i've had contradicting answers in test server, and i want to give a solid answer with support Clicky Clicky They are not the same thing, in eve or irl. It's clearly a frigate only FFA, so no destroyers or interdictors. Whether or not CCP cares if you bring it there is one thing (and more or less the final say), but definition of the word is another. Originally by: YouDoNotOwnSalvage You do not in any way shape or form own salvage.
Kilgore Tr0ut	Posted - 2009.09.28 16:48:00 - [6] 1. Destroyers are frigate class hulls in eve, always have been 2. there's nowhere else for them to go 3. stop crying

CCP Casqade	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:44:00 - [7] Hi all, Destroyer class ships are not allowed in the Frigate class FFAs. They are however allowed in the Crusier FFAs since all FFAs are meant to be "<Class> and below". Frigate = all ships based on the frigate class hulls Destroyers are not based on the frigate class hulls, therefore they may not go into the Frigate FFA, but they are allowed into the Cruiser FFA. I hope this explains everything.

Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:34:00 - [8] hey casquade. This is actually surprising because it has been well long established that dessies were allowed. Kinda leaves dessies out in the middle of nowhere because cruisers will utterly **** dessies. Also... mining barges not allowed in cruiser? Lol what? Are they seriously more dangerous then cruisers? Like Carrier -> battleship is mining barge -> cruiser Crazy. Another question. Freighters. Allowed in ffas? They arent exactly going to cause people to lose their ships over it? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Tsumei Meyren Creative Cookie Procuring	Posted - 2009.09.28 23:47:00 - [9] Officially requesting the "Frigates and lower" FFA to be changed to "Destroyers and smaller" Then. Destroyers can not be tested in FFA's on Sisi as it is. They have a humongous sig res cmpared to frigs, cruisers pop them with a giggle. -------------------------------------------------------- Creative Cookie Procuring [Girl.] Are recruiting!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 00:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Tsumei Meyren Officially requesting the "Frigates and lower" FFA to be changed to "Destroyers and smaller" Then. Destroyers can not be tested in FFA's on Sisi as it is. They have a humongous sig res cmpared to frigs, cruisers pop them with a giggle. I suppose you also request that people on TQ only bring frigates, so that you can use the fits you have tested? This is a good call by CCP. The "where can I test my destroyer, teh big ships hurt meh" arguement is exactly the point frig pilots were making about having destroyers in their ffa. Maybe now you can understand their point of view? アニメ漫画です
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.09.29 00:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Avon I suppose you also request that people on TQ only bring frigates, so that you can use the fits you have tested? This is a good call by CCP. The "where can I test my destroyer, teh big ships hurt meh" arguement is exactly the point frig pilots were making about having destroyers in their ffa. Maybe now you can understand their point of view? I suppose you also request that people on TQ only bring battleships and smaller, so that you can use the fits you have tested? As per no capital ships allowed in ffa1. This is a good call by CCP. The "where can I test my battleship, teh big ships hurt meh" arguement is exactly the point battleship pilots were making about having carriers in their ffa1. Maybe now you can understand their point of view? seriously though... dessies get smoked cruisers... just are battleships get smoked by carriers. Dessies dont smoke frigs. If enough are brought... sure they can. Hell ive seen Agony Empire dessie gangs smoking the hell out of lots of stuff. I think dessies should be allowed in the frig area... or at least create a dessie-frig ffa. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.29 01:05:00 - [12] If you REALLY want to test a dessie fit, ask for a 1v1 and do it at a BF. Destroyers are anti-frigate platforms, and they do a damn good job at doing so. Usually people would just killmail-*** in FFA5 by popping frigates that were fighting each other. Originally by:** CCP Fallout And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.09.29 14:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Agent Unknown If you REALLY want to test a dessie fit, ask for a 1v1 and do it at a BF. Destroyers are anti-frigate platforms, and they do a damn good job at doing so. Usually people would just killmail-*** in FFA5 by popping frigates that were fighting each other. If you REALLY want to test a battleship fit, ask for a 1v1 and do it at a BF. battleships are anti-ship platforms, and they do a damn good job at doing so. Usually people would just killmail-*** in FFA1 by popping ships that were fighting each other. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
bassie12bf1	Posted - 2009.09.29 15:16:00 - [14] There just needs to be an FFA for destroyers, and smaller perhaps.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:44:00 - [15] Since when were Destroyers not Frigate class hulls? We have Frigate Cruisers BSs Caps Super Caps. destroyers are Frigate class hulls, seeing as they use all the same mods/weapons/rigs as frigates. Cruisers/BC's/Hac's/Recons/HIC's/command ships/SAC's are all Cruiser class hulls. BS's/Black ops/Marauders are all BS class hulls. Carriers/Dreads/Rorq's are all capital class hulls. Super Carriers/Titans are Super cap hulls.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 17:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 29/09/2009 16:48:40 Since when were Destroyers not Frigate class hulls? We have Frigate Cruisers BSs Caps Super Caps. destroyers/Frigates/Inties/AFs/StealthBombers/EAFs/dictors are all Frigate class hulls, seeing as they use all the same mods/weapons/rigs as frigates. Cruisers/BC's/Hac's/Recons/HIC's/command ships/SAC's are all Cruiser class hulls. BS's/Black ops/Marauders are all BS class hulls. Carriers/Dreads/Rorq's are all capital class hulls. Super Carriers/Titans are Super cap hulls. Battlecruisers and destroyers are not cruisers and frigates. Battlecruisers are not allowed at the cruiser ffa. Module size makes no difference. A freighter has no slots, so does that make it a shuttle? アニメ漫画です
5ilent 5hift Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.29 19:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Avon A freighter has no slots, so does that make it a shuttle? yes, just really really really big and i always thought destroyers were allowed in the frig ffa oh well, might save my trying to solo a trasher in a punisher again 5ilent
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar Conflagration. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.09.29 20:12:00 - [18] Wait It is NOT a shuttle?
McFly C0LDFIRE	Posted - 2009.09.29 22:19:00 - [19] /signing for Destroyer FFA or Destroyers let back in Frig FFA, it'd be pointless to try and test any destroyer combat in the cruiser FFA.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.09.29 22:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 29/09/2009 16:48:40 Since when were Destroyers not Frigate class hulls? We have Frigate Cruisers BSs Caps Super Caps. destroyers/Frigates/Inties/AFs/StealthBombers/EAFs/dictors are all Frigate class hulls, seeing as they use all the same mods/weapons/rigs as frigates. Cruisers/BC's/Hac's/Recons/HIC's/command ships/SAC's are all Cruiser class hulls. BS's/Black ops/Marauders are all BS class hulls. Carriers/Dreads/Rorq's are all capital class hulls. Super Carriers/Titans are Super cap hulls. Battlecruisers and destroyers are not cruisers and frigates. Battlecruisers are not allowed at the cruiser ffa. Module size makes no difference. A freighter has no slots, so does that make it a shuttle? Think you need to read slower. NOWHERE in that post did I say battle cruisers are Frigates. NOWHERE. battleCRUISERS. The ship hull is in the damned NAME of the ship.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 23:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Cors Originally by: Avon Battlecruisers and destroyers are not cruisers and frigates. Battlecruisers are not allowed at the cruiser ffa. Think you need to read slower. NOWHERE in that post did I say battle cruisers are Frigates. NOWHERE. battleCRUISERS. The ship hull is in the damned NAME of the ship. (You need to read slower, I never said that you said that) So you are saying that battlecruisers are cruisers and therefore allowed in the cruiser ffa? You are going to be in for a shock / ban. Same applies to destroyers, they are not frigates. The use of frigate sized modules does not make them frigate hulls in the same way that battlecruisers using cruiser sized modules does not make them cruiser hulls. It isn't all that complicated tbh. アニメ漫画です
paddytehpyro Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.09.30 00:52:00 - [22] Thanks for stating nice and clearly dessies shouldnt be in the friggy FFA. Sit at range and a dessy will melt quite a few frigs giving them no chance to mess about and well... test. Anyways. Petition for new FFA? Dessy and below. Plenty of Assualt frig pilots who would like to see if the can take on something designed to maul frigs. Especially with the upcoming changes to AFs. And FW (At least, when I was in it) folks like thier dessies for plexing.
Arous Drephius	Posted - 2009.09.30 13:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Cors battleCRUISERS. The ship hull is in the damned NAME of the ship. So you're saying that BCs are the same as cruisers? Then why is there a seperate FFA for them? Oh right, because they're a different class of ship. Destroyers are not frigs and shouldn't be allowed in the frig FFA. There should be a destroyer & smaller FFA.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:47:00 - [24] Hrmph. Just been pointed at this thread for using a destroyer in a frigate FFA. Which incidentally, got torn to shreds twice. Requesting a destroyer down FFA. (or y'know, changing it so it's frigates and destroyers, since barring the Sabre most destroyers die quick anyway)
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:42:00 - [25] Edited by: EliteSlave on 03/10/2009 19:44:40 Originally by: CCP Casqade Hi all, Destroyer class ships are not allowed in the Frigate class FFAs. They are however allowed in the Crusier FFAs since all FFAs are meant to be "<Class> and below". Frigate = all ships based on the frigate class hulls. Destroyers are not based on the frigate class hulls, therefore they may not go into the Frigate FFA, but they are allowed into the Cruiser FFA. This means that you have (Unless I'm forgetting something): Capital ships Battleships Battlecruisers Mining Barges Cruisers Destroyers Industrials Frigates I hope this explains everything. Casqade - I would like to refer you to something... Blueprints As the picture states, The required skill to construct the ship, Is Frigate construction 5. Thus it would be Frigate Based, not a cruiser. Or if by your logic, then You need to come up with Destroyer Construction Skill Book.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:45:00 - [26] I remember the good days of having 4 ffas.. capships, battleships, bc/cruiser, and dessy/frig. Why are there more now >.> Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
something somethingdark	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Lance Fighter I remember the good days of having 4 ffas.. capships, battleships, bc/cruiser, and dessy/frig. Why are there more now >.> because yout toutch yourself at night
Fuazzole	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Fuazzole on 03/10/2009 21:55:43 So your testing your new frig, it's pure awsome.. You come back to Tranqulity to roam lowsec. ..and get wooped by a Dessie to which you had no idea of it's capabilitys because you did not encounter any on SiSi. Further proof SiSi fails at "testing" also, frigates gain better from fancy implants that are freely available on SiSi, snake/halo very common, so if you get wooped by a Dessie thier, your only gonna get wooped even more on Tranq. EDIT* this ran't isn't really on topic is it. Yes Destroyers kill frigates easy, but why was the frigate near enuf to the destroyer in the 1st place I wonder. fighting on 0km in a FREE FOR ALL or fighting near a warp to-able wreak in a FREE FOR ALL is really just asking for trouble, wether is was a destroyer or another frigate, 2v1 are bad odds.
Susy Assulu Caldari Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.10.03 22:46:00 - [29] Edited by: Susy Assulu on 03/10/2009 22:45:55 Originally by: Fuazzole Further proof SiSi fails at "testing" Further proof you don't understand the type of testing SiSi is for. (HINT: Testing for bugs)
bassie12bf1	Posted - 2009.10.03 23:30:00 - [30] FFA 5.5 for destroyers and smaller, Problem solved.

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