PVE in EvE is low quality. Rats have no AI, mining is boring. Missions are always the same. Sleepers and Incursions make it slightly more interesting but these also end up as farmvilles. The PVE quality is way below that of most MMO's. CCP is bad a PVE content.

New players face numerous challenges and EvE is the sort of place where you learn stuff 'the hard way'. The OP's ideas of grieving, stealing, salvaging, etc. is vastly different from the majority of the game or CCP for that matter. Griefing is a bannable offense in EvE and doens't happen that often. But what the OP is describing is not griefing.

Jesus H. Christ. WoW is that way ---->

I suggest you go there...and stay for extent of your natural lifespan.

I'm getting really sick and tired of every nubtard that comes here expecting that EVE should be like every other game out there, and that CCP should hold everyones hand, warm up your milk bottle, and make sure you're tucked into bed with your favorite binky. Feck that! EVE is designed to be RISKY! Actions and loss have genuine consequences here. Death is means something, and as such it allows a player driven economy like ours to exist.

If you want a multi-shard, pvp optional experience then go somewhere else. We don't want you here, and I'm sure even CCP is tired of hearing you cry like pansies about it. I'm personally tired of reading all the threads from you nancy boys who can't grow a sac and figure out how to make your way through this game.

Regarding your topic of griefing I call playing. I can do anything I want as long as it falls within the EULA, and stealing your crap, scamming you, ninja salvaging your missions is just as legal as me blowing you up here in lowsec. Working as intended.

Those with a functioning pulse and more than 3 brain cells can figure out how to make ISK hand over fist while avoiding the typical situations that would cause you to get griefed, at least according to your definition. I suppose you're telling us here that that you do not fall into this category of players. I would pity you, but that would infer that I cared.

Whilst I am a MASSIVE carebear, who likes nothing more than to pootle around missioning, shooting the odd rat and generally digging the scenery, even I understand that this is completely at my own risk, and I have lost my fair share of shinies.

However, the ongoing whinefest that is the forums is really starting to get on my wick. Anyone who has read even a single post on C&P should have firmly got the message that:
1) Eve is working as intended
2) You need to change your gameplay to reflect the environment, not vice versa
3) in doing so HTFU
4) if not, WoW is ---->

Which is why I now pootle around space checking d-scan in a cloacky, and paying attention. It's not rocket science.

Seriously. There is no other part of life where not being able to do something results in that thing being changed to reflect your inability to adapt. Darwin would weep...

China called.
They want their wall of text back.

Why should OP care about all the longterm EVE players that enjoy how things are now. He's clearly one a classic MMO player who moves on from new release to new release after a few months, once he gets all the "sweet gear" he wants because everything is risk free and there are no real consequences.

China called.
They want their wall of text back.

And the people in big corps are saying again "So what? I have my corp brothers to back me up, and either help me fight or replace my ship if I get ganked" To all of you (except the griefing trolls, who I advise quite hopefully to 'Eat crap and die') I say, remember, if they drive away enough people, which they are trying quite hard to do, the game dies.

a classic MMO player who moves on from new release to new release after a few months, once he gets all the "sweet gear" he wants because everything is risk free and there are no real consequences.

This is why i came back. I really hate the way MMO's have turned, they are made easier so people can progress faster and faster with less effort. It doesnt mean anything to reach the highest lvl, when all have the same gear after easy raids... where is the months of tactics learning and grinding for months before able to beat a boss? I liked WoW in early days....

Eve is the game many kids cant stand, cause they been spoonfeed for years and doesnt know how to beat a challange due their total lack of impatience!

I started off with EVE's spirtual ancestor, Ultima Online. I was only 12 when I first started playing it. And even I knew back then, not to trust people unless I knew them.

UO was even harder than EVE before they completely destroyed it with the changes you want to make to EVE.

So I say no. Go and join WoW or any other MMO.

Leave the one MMO that caters to the population who wants risk, who realize that the ability to lose something in game makes it that much more emotionally satisfying.

It isn't hard to stay alive in EVE. It just takes intentional thinking, not pointing and clicking.

I understand where you are confused, and I can help!

Hello, Welcome to EVE. There is only one server, and it is a PvP server.

Glad I could help!

I've almost been playing for 2 months now and have been ganked going through low sec to pick up buy orders a few times now. Was I mad? Not really, I just told the dude to eat a bag of dicks when he tired to ransom my pod. Am I going to quit the game? No, I understand that this game has a HUGE learning curve and getting my ass handed to me every now and then is just what I need to learn from.

Let me say first that I have enjoyed PvP in other games, and plan to in this one. With that said, I think the practise of griefing noobs as allowed in this game is bad for us all. Let me list the reasons