Exactly. No other game offers us the chance to prove what we can do in comparison to EVERYONE else who plays this game. Theres no best on this server. There is only the best. And what defines the BEST? Well that depends on what you are trying to do. I have seen enough POSTERS, who are rarer than you'd believe, to see that there are many hulks survivng hulkageddon. There are many mission runners who have never been ganked. There's even a person who's never been podded. WTF?!

The only people who complain about the game on the forums are the ones who can't play it. n00bs. Let me show you when I was a n00b.

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They could be kidding or RPing. Or they could be serious, what do I care?

Nobody's yelling that it's too rich (if they were, disrupting it would be silly, since disruption makes mineral prices go up, thus making it more lucrative). The problem is that miners have gotten used to and subsequently developed a sense of entitlement to the ability to make Isk almost completely AFK. This has lead them to (wrongly) believe that HiSec space should be "safe" or that their untanked Max Yield/Cargo Hulks should be ungankable. This belief has led them to make annoying posts on the forums. These annoying posts on the forums have led to people disliking miners due to their inability to comprehend simple premises of EvE that have not changed since Beta; namely that you are never safe.

I am not saying all of this applies to you, personally. But it does apply to most of the people who are writing threads whinging about getting ganked.

As for respect, if you don't like shooting exhumers, that's totally fine. But you have to admit that ganking exhumers is also totally fine and is at the very least, more effort than AFK mining is. Whether you respect the gankers for their specialized skills (it does take some skill to pull off successful, cost effective ganks) or not is entirely up to you.

i'm not joining the bandwagon of delete guns from highsec. In fact i think im guilty of becoming what i actually hate and that is a person who hates another demographic just cause of how they act. I'll get over myself soon enough i hope. I dont hate the act of blowing stuff up, its just the attitudes the most vocal supporters have. Like thier some sort of CCP/Eve saviour crew.

You may be right it could all be just RP and i might just be making myself look like a big ass fail on these forums. Thats something im willing to eat i guess, just like when i lost my last mining ship. If you look me up on those combat board thingo's you'll see i've had almost no pvp experience. But thats not cause im scared to lose a ship, but mostly cause i havent found an enjoyable means of doing it yet.

For the time being i'll just carry on providing the tools pvpers use to do thier thing, and in another 5 days i'll roll out my own tanked hulk and up the output further

This one is better.

so why dont the hulkageddoners focus on the botting hotspots. players will all lose ships its a given, but when its a bunch of ones and zeros commanding pilotless ships from a basement computer farm to mine 25/8 well thats not a hisec "whiner" or "bear" thats just dirty ass scum. Kill that crap, wipe them out. Theres your holy crusade, now go forth champions.

Also im still failing to understand where all the ungodly wealth supposedly is in highsec mining. pyroxeres? the odd kernite belt? really? 3-4 hours to pay for a covetor, is 10m an hour really that insane? gee all you guys need to play more if 10m per hour is too much

Oh here is a good one. Guy says mining is PVP. Another guy says miners don't want to PVP. Huh?

Hello Spacefriend,

We are not ganking miners so we can pretend to do CCPs job of clearing out miners for them. CCP doesn't need us to hold their hands (but I might just let them if they ask nice and act real gentlemanly about it!)

Also, bots don't whine about being shot on the forums for days after the fact. I'm personally holding out for a bot program that will though~

Take your buddies and claim your own space, make it as strong as you want.

Welcome to Eve.

"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler *

Nonconsensual Ship combat will not go away. Eve didn't even have sentry guns or CONCORD at the beginning. It is part of the core philosophy of the game.

"I'm also against the lack of danger and the awful boring times when you are just chugging along and nothing threatens you."
--CCP Oveur, 2004.07.01

"All of it occured in the same framework of unrestricted player movement and limitless player choice in a single, shared game universe. As our senior producer put it 'f*cking brilliant'." --CCP Explorer in reference to Burn Jita

You are never really soloing, and you are really always PVPing. Whether you acknowledge this, and how well you do this is your only choice while playing eve. You have never sold a mod to an NPC. Every mineral you mine lowers the value of EVERY other player's minerals. Every rat you pop lowers the isk value of every other players isk. Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make. This is PVP. Player versus Player. This is EVE. Everybody Versus Everybody. They have the right to stop you. If your ship so happens to be in space it is a valid target, no matter what type of ship it is, what part of the cluster it resides, what mods it has fitted, no matter what you think.

Over the course of EVE's life, the players have adopted a number of mottos embodying the true spirit of the game. Some of which include:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Adapt or Die.

Harden the **** up. (HTFU)

Go back to world of warcraft (GB2WoW)

If you are having problems with the playstyle of others, it must be suggested that you refer to the above in order. After exhausting the first three, you may feel like this:

EVE is hard.

At this point of desperation, you may still be tempted to post on the forums about why you're leaving, at which point you will be showered with this well known question:

Can I have your stuff?

Nobody cares that you're leaving because you can't fend for yourself. Sure the Devs may attempt balance things here and there, such as making certain things even harder, but your hand will not be held. They are not being paid to babysit. They are being paid to share their dream with us. That dream includes the pain of significant loss. Many players have had a problem with other players. You are not the first, and you won't be the last. The difference between the wheat and the chaff is: they do something about it. They don't whine.

When Band of Brothers believed that G Alliance had a mothership on the build, they didn't whine for them to be nerfed, they round up others who would fight with them, and sieged EC-P8R 23/7 for a week.

When Goonswarm first started. They weren't the most experienced players, but they had the drive. They took out veteran alliances battleship fleets with rifters. RIFTERS. Look at them today.

So before you post, think about what you're going to say, and if it will even be worth your typing. Please.

*the actual quote is here as pointed out by Yuda Mann

Get hot-dropped a week later and lose it all...

sigh i typed a huge long post in reply to this but upon clicking post it erased my post and left me with nothing.. im not retyping it all just want to say read my last post, the one you quoted is one where im doing what i hate which is, raging at people raging at people.

im not against stuff blowing up nor am i against protecting my own assets and making them less appealing to the folks who do the blowing up

If that's how strong you want it to be, yes.
If not, then no.

No intelligent person has said " let's remove all the danger from the game" or even just from high sec. What they've said that riles your feathers is that suicide ganking is overpowered, the battles are lopsided, and they need to be re-examined... that's all.

Yeah goon is the new bob... great.

Hulks can be tanked such that they are unprofitable to gank (even counting the GSF bounty, which is not a game mechanic)
Hulks can be flown in such a way that they are impossible to gank without pilot error on the Hulk's part

Suicide Ganks can be disrupted quite easily

The battles are only lopsided because one side doesn't bother putting any effort into the fight because they feel they're entitled to safety without effort.

"horsepuckey"

What is an alliance but an organized group of people? HiSec has people, it just needs to organize.

Go take some shitty sov for a while, use the money you've made from HS's lack of constant ship loss (20% of characters are in Null yet ~50% of ships are lost there) to build up a Cap/Supercap fleet. Learn to fight. Start taking more sov. Expand into mediocre space. Then even into good space.

The last Tech holding coalition was destroyed by a coalition that did not hold any (or at least any significant) tech. It could happen to this one.

What I presented wasn't raging.

It was statistical analysis. And in so doing, I presented a counter-argument to a logical fallacy based on bad stats analysis.

I am sorry if my facts appeared like raging to you. I clearly wasn't. I hope after stepping away from the keyboard and taking some chill pills you can now see this.

LOL @ the thought of that quote being raging.

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!

Thank you.

Drone space is pretty damn empty right now, it would be as easy as anything to get a semi decent corp together, head out there and join a small alliance, get your own system with 16 Hordes and earn a buttload of isk, build better ships and do those things

The irony of the case is, this post is literally the reason you will never hold sov space. You are so terrified of potential failure and are so sure already that you can't do it that you never will. I hate to break it to you, but the CFC never got the sov they have now by being the victims and it wasn't handed down to us by CCP on high. We went in rifters and we took what is ours. We lost it several times and several times we carved out something new. All without the aid of all of this glorious tech wealth we are now enjoying. You're a big kid though, if you think EVE is too hard for you, then you can stay in the shallow end of the pool. I hear its safer over there.

Yeah - I'll just round up 2500 friends and go roflstomp... oh wait... Supercaps/Caps... yeah, let me get started on that, see you in a couple years.

What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.

In other words: you.

Also, good: then you can stop with the silly excuses.

One of the great things i like about Eve is the ability to troll people. It's cheap laughs are often very good :)
Another awesome thing about eve is if you don't like one part of it, or it gets boring, or something happens, just go and do something else!

- Mission running
- high sec mining
- incursions
- manufacturing
- BPs
- Sov warfare
- Roams
- NPC space fights
- wormhole ops
- WH living
- Trading

So many things to do i think the only people who leave are people who get bored too easily.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.