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Ayumi Sang	Posted - 2009.10.03 12:31:00 - [1] I was just wondering, why are the Siege Missile Launchers actually called Siege 'Missile' Launchers. They fire torpedo's. Torpedo's are not missiles. So shouldn't they be called Siege Torpedo Launchers? Any thoughts?
Susy Assulu Caldari Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.10.03 13:22:00 - [2] Nope, none at all.
Veliria	Posted - 2009.10.03 13:29:00 - [3] Why even Siege, why not just Torpedo Launcher or Torpedo Bay? Also, does anyone feel that the icon for a Standard Missile Launcher looks like a SAM site?
goazer Amarr Dark Amarr Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.10.03 13:38:00 - [4] Come on, the New Eden is running out of Quafe Ultra Special Edition and you are worried about THAT!?
Samaritan Azuma Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:23:00 - [5] i think there are better things to complain about If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Ayumi Sang Torpedo's are not missiles. And how is that? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 201803
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:44:00 - [7] Edited by: Pottsey on 03/10/2009 14:45:08 Torpedos tend to be underwater and missiles tend to be in the air. A Torpedo is a self-propelled underwater projectile. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Caldrinara Yez Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 03/10/2009 14:45:08 Torpedos tend to be underwater and missiles tend to be in the air. A Torpedo is a self-propelled underwater projectile. you notice any water in eve yet ?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:50:00 - [9] Eve space sure acts like we are underwater so perhaps we can call all missiles torpedos :) ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Brodde Dim Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Caldrinara Yez Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 03/10/2009 14:45:08 Torpedos tend to be underwater and missiles tend to be in the air. A Torpedo is a self-propelled underwater projectile. you notice any water in eve yet ? Have you noticed any air in eve yet?

Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Ayumi Sang Torpedo's are not missiles. Any thoughts? Sure, I have one. lern2england kthx
Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 03/10/2009 14:48:05 Torpedos tend to be underwater and missiles tend to be in the air. A Torpedo is a self-propelled underwater projectile. So Star Trek and Wing Commander (and probably dozens of others) are wrong for using torpedo's in space too? The only reason torpedo's tend to be underwater in real life is because that's the only application. Torpedo's are fired by ships at other ships. That is the only definition. The only difference between real life and sci fi is the medium they are fired in. They can easily be called missiles, because they act like missiles.
Ayumi Sang	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: Ayumi Sang Torpedo's are not missiles. Any thoughts? Sure, I have one. lern2england kthx I already figured this would come up. In my defence id like to call upon the fact that the big brother counterpart of the Siege Missile Launcher is actually called a Citadel Torpedo Launcher I. So according to you these should be called Citadel Missile Launcher I's. Names aren't very consistant if you ask me.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.03 15:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Ayumi Sang Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: Ayumi Sang Torpedo's are not missiles. Any thoughts? Sure, I have one. lern2england kthx I already figured this would come up. In my defence id like to call upon the fact that the big brother counterpart of the Siege Missile Launcher is actually called a Citadel Torpedo Launcher I. So according to you these should be called Citadel Missile Launcher I's. Names aren't very consistant if you ask me. If you're going to produce a flawlessly consistent world where the name of the launcher is in direct proportion to the ammo used, you will have a few days work ahead of you - for no real purpose mind you. Have fun with Assault Missile launchers, Heavy Assault Missile Launchers not to even mention all turrets. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 851695
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.10.03 15:09:00 - [15] The name is from the early days of eve, when you could load more than Torps into them. They were slow firing, but allowed for more ammo to be loaded.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.10.03 15:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Ghoest on 03/10/2009 15:52:50 Originally missiles and their launchers were not like they are now. The the little launchers could shoot big stuff just slowly. The big launchers shot stuff faster with less reload time. The siege launcher was the biggest launcher. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Connner Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Brodde Dim Originally by: Caldrinara Yez Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 03/10/2009 14:45:08 Torpedos tend to be underwater and missiles tend to be in the air. A Torpedo is a self-propelled underwater projectile. you notice any water in eve yet ? Have you noticed any air in eve yet? You have to admit the physics in EVE act more like underwater physics rather than in space physics. Its easier to balance things that way.
Thenoran Caldari Pelican.	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 03/10/2009 15:52:50 Originally missiles and their launchers were not like they are now. The the little launchers could shoot big stuff just slowly. The big launchers shot stuff faster with less reload time. The siege launcher was the biggest launcher. So a Cruise Launcher Crow would've been..... ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 03/10/2009 15:52:50 Originally missiles and their launchers were not like they are now. The the little launchers could shoot big stuff just slowly. The big launchers shot stuff faster with less reload time. The siege launcher was the biggest launcher. So a Cruise Launcher Crow would've been..... well yeah cruise kessies anyways, it's not quite like that. the RoF was rather equal to what it is today. I remember seeing ravens with heavy launchers with torps, instead sieges cuz it had a faster RoF (smaller clip tho). You could fit a crapload of light missiles or heavy missiles or even cruise missiles in a heavy launcher, but considering that they had all relatively the same speed, anything that packed standart launchers, used cruise, and anything that packed heavies, used torps (yes, a carcal was able to shoot **in' torps holy . it had bonuses to hybrids tho) also torps had AoE, and the assault launcher was a size between the rocket and standart. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Centurion Redux Minmatar Mining Corporation Red Dwarf Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:19:00 - [20] Yes, and any named laser called "maser" should only be able to fire microwave beams. Im more worried about torps not doing full damage to their intended targets than their name.

ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:49:00 - [21] Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 03/10/2009 21:52:04 A missile (British English: "miss"-"isle"; U.S. English: "missl") is, in general, a projectileùthat is, something thrown or otherwise propelled. Missiles can range from a rock thrown from a slingshot, through a crossbow or ballista bolt, to a Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with multiple nuclear warheads. Modern ICBMs, the largest missiles currently deployed, represent the most destructive weapons ever made in human history. Edit. In lamens terms; a missile can be anything that is launched at great velocitys. So if I threw a rubber chicken at you, that rubber chicken is now considered a 'missile'
goazer Amarr Dark Amarr Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.10.03 23:38:00 - [22] Damn! It's always such fun to see people fighting about RL terms in SCIFI game. Seriously, forget about torpedoes, forget about missiles. Nothing of that matters in EVE, this is SCIFI game!!!
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.10.04 00:17:00 - [23] Edited by: Ghoest on 04/10/2009 00:17:22 Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 03/10/2009 15:52:50 Originally missiles and their launchers were not like they are now. The the little launchers could shoot big stuff just slowly. The big launchers shot stuff faster with less reload time. The siege launcher was the biggest launcher. So a Cruise Launcher Crow would've been..... This was before T2 so no Crow sweetness. But I did fly around in a Kessie with 4 cruise missiles in the tubes. It was great. I also put a 10MN AB on it. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lucia Wilber King's Pride Manufacturing Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.04 00:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 04/10/2009 00:21:07 Have you read the description on the EVE website of Cruise Missiles? "Lifting-wing, jet-propelled guided missiles with heavy payloads." Lifting-wing?! Jet-propelled?! THIS IS SPACE GAME!
Dracthera Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.04 01:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Ayumi Sang Torpedo's are not missiles. Well, in this game neither are rockets, but they still act like they're missiles. And IRL the Orca is a killing predator, not some slow, lumbering giant. RL definitions don't hold too well in the game, so you'll have to ignore RL terminology to some extent. Apto Quod Ususfructus
McFly C0LDFIRE	Posted - 2009.10.04 01:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Dracthera ...And IRL the Orca is a killing predator, not some slow, lumbering giant. RL definitions don't hold too well in the game, so you'll have to ignore RL terminology to some extent. Didn't you read the dominion thread and the roaming fleets of carnivorous rorquals and orcas?
JoeT Amarr The Triangle Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.04 04:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 03/10/2009 15:52:50 Originally missiles and their launchers were not like they are now. The the little launchers could shoot big stuff just slowly. The big launchers shot stuff faster with less reload time. The siege launcher was the biggest launcher. So a Cruise Launcher Crow would've been..... well yeah cruise kessies anyways, it's not quite like that. the RoF was rather equal to what it is today. I remember seeing ravens with heavy launchers with torps, instead sieges cuz it had a faster RoF (smaller clip tho). You could fit a crapload of light missiles or heavy missiles or even cruise missiles in a heavy launcher, but considering that they had all relatively the same speed, anything that packed standart launchers, used cruise, and anything that packed heavies, used torps (yes, a carcal was able to shoot **in' torps holy **. it had bonuses to hybrids tho) also torps had AoE, and the assault launcher was a size between the rocket and standart. Is it wrong i miss this. and the gank geddons :l - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
Allen Ramses Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.04 05:13:00 - [28] Meh. It would have been so much easier if they were named aptly... Light Rockets Heavy Rockets Siege Rockets ____________________ CCP: Catering to the cowards of a cold, harsh universe since November, 2006.
Widshin	Posted - 2009.10.04 05:14:00 - [29] Edited by: Widshin on 04/10/2009 05:14:34 Originally by: Lucia Wilber Lifting-wing?! Jet-propelled?! THIS IS SPACE GAME! You ship is also jet-propelled, nothing wrong with that in space. And lifting-wing.. well why not, so your missile "could" fly in athmosphere, but it isn't needed.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.10.04 05:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Grimpak it had bonuses to hybrids tho) Bonus, singular. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. The AB/OD Fix

K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:16:00 - [31] They're named "siege" because 98% of them are gathering dust in hangars, and the only way to get at them is to lay siege to an NPC station. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Grimpak it had bonuses to hybrids tho) Bonus, singular. Oh, true, each ship had just one bonus. I had forgotten that. -- Gradient forum
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:08:00 - [33] Originally by: JoeT Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 03/10/2009 15:52:50 Originally missiles and their launchers were not like they are now. The the little launchers could shoot big stuff just slowly. The big launchers shot stuff faster with less reload time. The siege launcher was the biggest launcher. So a Cruise Launcher Crow would've been..... well yeah cruise kessies anyways, it's not quite like that. the RoF was rather equal to what it is today. I remember seeing ravens with heavy launchers with torps, instead sieges cuz it had a faster RoF (smaller clip tho). You could fit a crapload of light missiles or heavy missiles or even cruise missiles in a heavy launcher, but considering that they had all relatively the same speed, anything that packed standart launchers, used cruise, and anything that packed heavies, used torps (yes, a carcal was able to shoot **in' torps holy . it had bonuses to hybrids tho) also torps had AoE, and the assault launcher was a size between the rocket and standart. Is it wrong i miss this. and the gank geddons :l aaahhh... the 8-heatsink pulse gankageddon. good days good days Originally by:** Theron Gyrow Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Grimpak it had bonuses to hybrids tho) Bonus, singular. Oh, true, each ship had just one bonus. I had forgotten that. yeah, it was two bonuses tho, since the second was actually in the skill, and not the ship itself. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:33:00 - [34] Originally by: NoNah Have fun with Assault Missile launchers, Heavy Assault Missile Launchers not to even mention all turrets. I for one would like my 1400mm Howitzer Artillery to be renamed to "Repeating Volkswagen Launcher," on account of its shells being greater than 4ft wide. Please?
Doctor Cal'torien	Posted - 2009.10.06 02:48:00 - [35] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: NoNah Have fun with Assault Missile launchers, Heavy Assault Missile Launchers not to even mention all turrets. I for one would like my 1400mm Howitzer Artillery to be renamed to "Repeating Volkswagen Launcher," on account of its shells being greater than 4ft wide. Please? while we're on that subject renaming the 3500 mm quad to the City-bus launcher would be awsome as well seeing as how the barrel is 14feet wide
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2009.10.06 07:45:00 - [36] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Grimpak it had bonuses to hybrids tho) Bonus, singular. Oh, true, each ship had just one bonus. I had forgotten that. Incorrect, just cruisers. 5% racial damage on turrets.
Omar Khayyam Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 11:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: NoNah Have fun with Assault Missile launchers, Heavy Assault Missile Launchers not to even mention all turrets. I for one would like my 1400mm Howitzer Artillery to be renamed to "Repeating Volkswagen Launcher," on account of its shells being greater than 4ft wide. Please? you just made me laugh in my office ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :)
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.06 11:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Morgan La'Chance Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Grimpak it had bonuses to hybrids tho) Bonus, singular. Oh, true, each ship had just one bonus. I had forgotten that. Incorrect, just cruisers. 5% racial damage on turrets. really? memory hazy --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Pychian Vanervi Blind Violence Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2009.10.06 13:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Ghoest This was before T2 so no Crow sweetness. But I did fly around in a Kessie with 4 cruise missiles in the tubes. It was great. I also put a 10MN AB on it. The Cruise missile crow was about for a short time. The usual fit was 3 standard launchers with a single cruise missile in each of them making it a nice alpha strike ship and if I recall flight time was quite long and no sig radius modification. The 10mn AB was a great fit too, no cap or sig radius penalty and still have a great speed..... .... the good old days...... b]----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory![/b] [
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 22:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Omar Khayyam Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: NoNah Have fun with Assault Missile launchers, Heavy Assault Missile Launchers not to even mention all turrets. I for one would like my 1400mm Howitzer Artillery to be renamed to "Repeating Volkswagen Launcher," on account of its shells being greater than 4ft wide. Please? you just made me laugh in my office Not to keep a dead thread going, but I would like to submit a picture of the largest human-constructed shell in existence. It's an 800mm round for a German WWII artillery piece. Just think... *you fire these from space machine guns*: Now I wonder what 1400mm shells would look like.

Ulstan	Posted - 2009.10.06 22:59:00 - [41] It's a carry over from how missiles worked back in the beginning. They were dropped/produced in batches of 1, IIRC. Also, any missile could fit in any launcher, provided the launcher was big enough to hold it. Larger launchers simply had a slower ROF. The 'siege' launchers had huge capacities for very lengthy fights. At this point you could shoehorn in a cruise missile into a standard launcher and throw it on a kestrel, IIRC. Also I think you could shoot mines out the missile launchers.
Skippermonkey	Posted - 2009.10.07 16:13:00 - [42] In reply to the previous image... it just seems that people are getting smaller while the weaponry gets bigger!?
Passageway Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.07 16:34:00 - [43] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 03/10/2009 21:52:04 Edit. In lamens terms; a missile can be anything that is launched at great velocitys. So if I threw a rubber chicken at you, that rubber chicken is now considered a 'missile' Spat beer at my screen I've stolen that quote for my bio :)
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 17:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Skippermonkey In reply to the previous image... it just seems that people are getting smaller while the weaponry gets bigger!? Uh, hmm. What's the bore on those babies?
Hunt Smacker Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.09 10:34:00 - [45] I propose CCP setup another kind of 'test server' with the original pre-Exodus build on it, so we can all go and have some crazy fun - Like Cruise Kessies, Dual MWD Phoons, and Domi's with thousands of drones
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.09 13:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Hunt Smacker I propose CCP setup another kind of 'test server' with the original pre-Exodus build on it, so we can all go and have some crazy fun - Like Cruise Kessies, Dual MWD Phoons, and Domi's with thousands of drones This is probably the best idea I've ever heard. CCP: DO EET
Axle skye	Posted - 2009.10.09 16:43:00 - [47] Hazy old memories from early eve (no HAMs back then, not sure if there was even assault launchers) r-3 = 3 light missiles or 10? rockets m-12 = 12 light missiles 30 rockets or 1 Cruise missile h-50 = 50 light missiles, xx rockets, 5 cruise missiles, 1 torp. s-110 = 110 lights, !!! rockets, 10/ 15 Cms, and 2 torps. yep Cm Crows were the devil, as were cruise kessies, or rifters or merlins or anything that could stuff a m-12 launcher on it. but the batches of missiles were hella expensive to build. Cm kessies ammo was more expensive than the ship. imagine the caracal w/ 5 torps or the blackbird for that matter. i did manage to jamb an H-50 on a tristan when the Micro aux power cores came out. that was funny. I kinda wish they would go back to that system. it would definitely make frigs way more interesting.


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