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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.04 08:47:00 -
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"No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model."
due to streaming issues with the live cam, i might not have gotten that one correctly. But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!?
or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one?
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Reds Suck
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Posted - 2009.10.04 08:50:00 -
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There was a sub bit that suggested you could only do the better micro transactions after you have played alot/got experiance or some such
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Lori Carlyle
Naviworks Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.04 08:51:00 -
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Easy for me, I wont be playin dust I'll let the consoletards emorage over it.
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Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.10.04 08:53:00 -
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Because game console companies like Sony and Microsoft are terrible at online games that require subscriptions. They just can't wrap their heads around them and always screw up.
Games like Age of Conan and Champions Online that were designed to play on the console are delayed indefinitely until further notice. It isn't because Funcom or Cryptic are being lazy, the holdup is because of stupid Sony and Microsoft. They just suck and and they don't understand (and probably never will).
What they do understand, however, is micro-transactions. Why try to teach these old dogs new tricks when you can get them to do ones they already know?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Dirty Wizard
What they do understand, however, is micro-transactions. Why try to teach these old dogs new tricks when you can get them to do ones they already know?
Not terribly sure they do that well either. We'll have to see how it's done. I would suggest to CCP, they do it with out the assistance of their publisher. Why complicate it, and why get into all the legalistic mess that will come with it when one of the publishers demands a content or API hook that ties Dust to some particular platform.
Have the transactions on an external web site, payable with pay pal, CC, etc. Then simply up the "ticket" value in the DB. Unhook from the platform, don't do it with the publisher's assistance and pay the MS/Sony/Whoever 'tax'.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:24:00 -
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And why should there be any outcry?
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:26:00 -
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They could also just ignore the consoles, make it for PC and do whatever they wanted with it insted of having to follow the rules of microsoft/sony at every single step of their development/deployment/running of their own game, but hey... |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:30:00 -
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Outcry? If I don't like it, I won't pay for it, simple as that.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:36:00 -
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Starting a campaign against it without knowing what it will be is kind of pointless.
Chances are that the game itself will be fully playable and enjoyable without a cent paid, but if you want that edge you have to fork out the dough.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:59:00 -
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It's free to play and CCP will need to get revenue somehow. Microtransactions aren't inherently evil as such; they're just very very easy for the game operators to abuse. But CCP have had a lot of experience in balancing RMT with complex in-game economies. I just dont see it as their style to make it so that you must buy stuff to play.
Also, it kind of looks like the stuff you can buy will be destructible, rather than permanent powerups. In which case, really, they'll be no worse than PLEX are in EvE.
As said above: it all depends on the implementation.
PS: And yeah, unless and until it comes out on the PC, why should I rage about something I aint gonna play?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
They could also just ignore the consoles, make it for PC and do whatever they wanted with it insted of having to follow the rules of microsoft/sony at every single step of their development/deployment/running of their own game, but hey...
... that wouldn't help them expand into the Console market at all. Which is, you know, the object of the exercise.
I wish people would get off their cross about CCP "betraying/neglecting their PC-using EvE playerbase". They're just about to release the greatest EvE expansion in years. Dust is specifically a project to expand their IP to a new playerbase, not cater to the existing one.
Would I like Dust on the PC? Sure, of course. Do I understand CCP's reasons for taking it to the Console market. Yes.
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:20:00 -
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Honestly I'm quite thrilled with everything i've heard about dust so far.
It'll be excellent to be able to go relax on my sofa in front of my moderately large television and console that I neglect while playing something engaging and related to eve.
I see no need for it to be on PC myself. I much prefer the comfort of not sitting in front of a computer 24/7 which seems to be what i do for both work and play atm.
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Anomandaris Draginpurake
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lori Carlyle
Easy for me, I wont be playin dust I'll let the consoletards emorage over it.
An I'll make a similar sweeping generalisation about you living in your parent's basement...
Originally by: CCP Whisper
TInternet spaceships are serious business but they're not worth having an aneursym over. Honestly.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
"No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model."
I thought an X-Box live account was needed to play games online.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Anomandaris Draginpurake
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
Easy for me, I wont be playin dust I'll let the consoletards emorage over it.
An I'll make a similar sweeping generalisation about you living in your parent's basement...
Keeps that nasty, nasty sunlight out of my EVE.
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Adam Ridgway
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
PS: And yeah, unless and until it comes out on the PC, why should I rage about something I aint gonna play?
This.
I see Dust being released for PC eventually, but some years in teh future. Consoles just don't have the timespan and the audience is rather volatile. But for now I won't care.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:56:00 -
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
"No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model."
due to streaming issues with the live cam, i might not have gotten that one correctly. But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!?
or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one?
Since I loathe first person shooter games, I wont be playing Dust. So if customers have to pay for it in some ways, thats fine by me.
The graphic of Dust looked great though.
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one?
Yes, you mistook EVE players for someone who cares. 
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:30:00 -
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Free to play? Why wouldn't an EVE player that happens to have a console play this? I thought this was fantastic news, and could drive huge numbers to not only Dust but possibly EVE as well. As for micropayments, I'm not averse to them as long as the items purchased are not too destabilizing to the the overall gameplay and economy. They gotta pay for this somehow.
I'm really beginning to think CCP will monopolize my gaming time for several years to come.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:36:00 -
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a lot lot lot number of alliance 00 members will want dust to support theri alliance rather than rely on outsiders. And CCP just isnt catering ot the dust on PC crowd who dont or wont buy ps3-xbox
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
In Your Head
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:52:00 -
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I wonder if this is going to somehow link in to the hiring and supply of Dust corps by Eve corps? Like if, you play independently you pay in RL for your equipment upgrades (micro-transactions),or work for Eve alliance, and get it provided by them (invented/manufactured Dust items?), so play for free. Hence reward and incentive to actively pursue the 'orders' of the hiring Eve players.
Just a little speculation....no basis in facts.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:54:00 -
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I can only add my vote to the "Why would there be an outcry?" line of questioning.
Originally by: Droog 1
Originally by: Tamahra
"No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model."
I thought an X-Box live account was needed to play games online.
Yes, but that's not a subscription of Dust 514.
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Jadal McPieksu
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead
I wonder if this is going to somehow link in to the hiring and supply of Dust corps by Eve corps? Like if, you play independently you pay in RL for your equipment upgrades (micro-transactions),or work for Eve alliance, and get it provided by them (invented/manufactured Dust items?), so play for free. Hence reward and incentive to actively pursue the 'orders' of the hiring Eve players.
Just a little speculation....no basis in facts.
This is probably the only way I could accept the plan. Otherwise Microtransactions generally mean "whoever has the $$$ wins" and I despise games like that...
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jadal McPieksu
Originally by: zombiedeadhead
I wonder if this is going to somehow link in to the hiring and supply of Dust corps by Eve corps? Like if, you play independently you pay in RL for your equipment upgrades (micro-transactions),or work for Eve alliance, and get it provided by them (invented/manufactured Dust items?), so play for free. Hence reward and incentive to actively pursue the 'orders' of the hiring Eve players.
Just a little speculation....no basis in facts.
This is probably the only way I could accept the plan. Otherwise Microtransactions generally mean "whoever has the $$$ wins" and I despise games like that...
Not necessarily. Many games (I think DDO as one) use micropayments for things such as increased inventory storage capacity, extra character slots, additional character/vehicle customization, etc. Nice to haves, but not things that unbalance day-to-day gameplay.
CCP have shown innovation with payment schemes and options in EVE, there's no evidence to suggest they'll falter with Dust.
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:33:00 -
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Dont care, will never play DUST when its on Console.
Might play it when it fails on Console in a few months time and CCP brings it to PC
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Claudia Voltaire
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:40:00 -
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Still find this difficult to understand, largely because of the guarded nature of whats coming out of the ceo.
If it is to be belived that this is being aimed at a new eve/console audience, ccp have on heck of a gamble on their hands reguardless of how it's funded.
The market console fps wise is ultra competetive, in all the areas that ccp say their aiming at with this.
Instant action wise, who doesn't just stand up for call of duty, it dominates, what you're action fps'er realy wants. The likes of estabished ip's such as battlefield and it's variants running in a close/distant 2nd, then the heavily promoted rest that in truth just pick up the slack before droping completely droping off the face of the planet.
There's no such thing as a niche in the console market, all people either play it or they don't, games die extremly quickly.
Saying that though, you'd be a fool to belive that ccp will ignore the captive audience they have, it'll be out on the pc soon enough if it drops a bomb on the static boxes.
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:41:00 -
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Outgrew shooters years ago.
Don't own a console.
I guess I don't care about DUST 514.
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Crimsoneer
Gallente
Knowledge Stick Station
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:33:00 -
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Because it WILL BE AWESOME.
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Vysnaite
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:36:00 -
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Not on PC?
Could not care less if its subscription or micro transaction...
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