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Tamahra Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:47:00 - [1] "No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model." due to streaming issues with the live cam, i might not have gotten that one correctly. But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!? or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one? Dust514
Reds Suck	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:50:00 - [2] There was a sub bit that suggested you could only do the better micro transactions after you have played alot/got experiance or some such
Lori Carlyle Naviworks Inc	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:51:00 - [3] Easy for me, I wont be playin dust I'll let the consoletards emorage over it.
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:53:00 - [4] Because game console companies like Sony and Microsoft are terrible at online games that require subscriptions. They just can't wrap their heads around them and always screw up. Games like Age of Conan and Champions Online that were designed to play on the console are delayed indefinitely until further notice. It isn't because Funcom or Cryptic are being lazy, the holdup is because of stupid Sony and Microsoft. They just suck and and they don't understand (and probably never will). What they do understand, however, is micro-transactions. Why try to teach these old dogs new tricks when you can get them to do ones they already know?
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2009.10.04 09:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Dirty Wizard What they do understand, however, is micro-transactions. Why try to teach these old dogs new tricks when you can get them to do ones they already know? Not terribly sure they do that well either. We'll have to see how it's done. I would suggest to CCP, they do it with out the assistance of their publisher. Why complicate it, and why get into all the legalistic mess that will come with it when one of the publishers demands a content or API hook that ties Dust to some particular platform. Have the transactions on an external web site, payable with pay pal, CC, etc. Then simply up the "ticket" value in the DB. Unhook from the platform, don't do it with the publisher's assistance and pay the MS/Sony/Whoever 'tax'. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.10.04 09:24:00 - [6] And why should there be any outcry?
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2009.10.04 09:26:00 - [7] They could also just ignore the consoles, make it for PC and do whatever they wanted with it insted of having to follow the rules of microsoft/sony at every single step of their development/deployment/running of their own game, but hey...
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.10.04 09:30:00 - [8] Outcry? If I don't like it, I won't pay for it, simple as that. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.10.04 09:36:00 - [9] Starting a campaign against it without knowing what it will be is kind of pointless. Chances are that the game itself will be fully playable and enjoyable without a cent paid, but if you want that edge you have to fork out the dough.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.04 09:59:00 - [10] It's free to play and CCP will need to get revenue somehow. Microtransactions aren't inherently evil as such; they're just very very easy for the game operators to abuse. But CCP have had a lot of experience in balancing RMT with complex in-game economies. I just dont see it as their style to make it so that you must buy stuff to play. Also, it kind of looks like the stuff you can buy will be destructible, rather than permanent powerups. In which case, really, they'll be no worse than PLEX are in EvE. As said above: it all depends on the implementation. PS: And yeah, unless and until it comes out on the PC, why should I rage about something I aint gonna play?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:13:00 - [11] Originally by: MuffinsRevenger They could also just ignore the consoles, make it for PC and do whatever they wanted with it insted of having to follow the rules of microsoft/sony at every single step of their development/deployment/running of their own game, but hey... ... that wouldn't help them expand into the Console market at all. Which is, you know, the object of the exercise. I wish people would get off their cross about CCP "betraying/neglecting their PC-using EvE playerbase". They're just about to release the greatest EvE expansion in years. Dust is specifically a project to expand their IP to a new playerbase, not cater to the existing one. Would I like Dust on the PC? Sure, of course. Do I understand CCP's reasons for taking it to the Console market. Yes.
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:20:00 - [12] Honestly I'm quite thrilled with everything i've heard about dust so far. It'll be excellent to be able to go relax on my sofa in front of my moderately large television and console that I neglect while playing something engaging and related to eve. I see no need for it to be on PC myself. I much prefer the comfort of not sitting in front of a computer 24/7 which seems to be what i do for both work and play atm.
Anomandaris Draginpurake Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Lori Carlyle Easy for me, I wont be playin dust I'll let the consoletards emorage over it. An I'll make a similar sweeping generalisation about you living in your parent's basement... Originally by: CCP Whisper TInternet spaceships are serious business but they're not worth having an aneursym over. Honestly.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Tamahra "No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model." I thought an X-Box live account was needed to play games online.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Anomandaris Draginpurake Originally by: Lori Carlyle Easy for me, I wont be playin dust I'll let the consoletards emorage over it. An I'll make a similar sweeping generalisation about you living in your parent's basement... Keeps that nasty, nasty sunlight out of my EVE. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Adam Ridgway Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Malcanis PS: And yeah, unless and until it comes out on the PC, why should I rage about something I aint gonna play? This. I see Dust being released for PC eventually, but some years in teh future. Consoles just don't have the timespan and the audience is rather volatile. But for now I won't care.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Conflagration. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:56:00 - [17] second page
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Tamahra "No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model." due to streaming issues with the live cam, i might not have gotten that one correctly. But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!? or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one? Since I loathe first person shooter games, I wont be playing Dust. So if customers have to pay for it in some ways, thats fine by me. The graphic of Dust looked great though. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Tamahra or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one? Yes, you mistook EVE players for someone who cares.
Lunewraith Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:30:00 - [20] Free to play? Why wouldn't an EVE player that happens to have a console play this? I thought this was fantastic news, and could drive huge numbers to not only Dust but possibly EVE as well. As for micropayments, I'm not averse to them as long as the items purchased are not too destabilizing to the the overall gameplay and economy. They gotta pay for this somehow. I'm really beginning to think CCP will monopolize my gaming time for several years to come.
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:36:00 - [21] a lot lot lot number of alliance 00 members will want dust to support theri alliance rather than rely on outsiders. And CCP just isnt catering ot the dust on PC crowd who dont or wont buy ps3-xbox
zombiedeadhead Minmatar In Your Head	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:52:00 - [22] I wonder if this is going to somehow link in to the hiring and supply of Dust corps by Eve corps? Like if, you play independently you pay in RL for your equipment upgrades (micro-transactions),or work for Eve alliance, and get it provided by them (invented/manufactured Dust items?), so play for free. Hence reward and incentive to actively pursue the 'orders' of the hiring Eve players. Just a little speculation....no basis in facts.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:54:00 - [23] I can only add my vote to the "Why would there be an outcry?" line of questioning. Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Tamahra "No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model." I thought an X-Box live account was needed to play games online. Yes, but that's not a subscription of Dust 514. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Jadal McPieksu	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:04:00 - [24] Originally by: zombiedeadhead I wonder if this is going to somehow link in to the hiring and supply of Dust corps by Eve corps? Like if, you play independently you pay in RL for your equipment upgrades (micro-transactions),or work for Eve alliance, and get it provided by them (invented/manufactured Dust items?), so play for free. Hence reward and incentive to actively pursue the 'orders' of the hiring Eve players. Just a little speculation....no basis in facts. This is probably the only way I could accept the plan. Otherwise Microtransactions generally mean "whoever has the $$$ wins" and I despise games like that...
Lunewraith Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Jadal McPieksu Originally by: zombiedeadhead I wonder if this is going to somehow link in to the hiring and supply of Dust corps by Eve corps? Like if, you play independently you pay in RL for your equipment upgrades (micro-transactions),or work for Eve alliance, and get it provided by them (invented/manufactured Dust items?), so play for free. Hence reward and incentive to actively pursue the 'orders' of the hiring Eve players. Just a little speculation....no basis in facts. This is probably the only way I could accept the plan. Otherwise Microtransactions generally mean "whoever has the $$$ wins" and I despise games like that... Not necessarily. Many games (I think DDO as one) use micropayments for things such as increased inventory storage capacity, extra character slots, additional character/vehicle customization, etc. Nice to haves, but not things that unbalance day-to-day gameplay. CCP have shown innovation with payment schemes and options in EVE, there's no evidence to suggest they'll falter with Dust.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:33:00 - [26] Dont care, will never play DUST when its on Console. Might play it when it fails on Console in a few months time and CCP brings it to PC Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:40:00 - [27] Still find this difficult to understand, largely because of the guarded nature of whats coming out of the ceo. If it is to be belived that this is being aimed at a new eve/console audience, ccp have on heck of a gamble on their hands reguardless of how it's funded. The market console fps wise is ultra competetive, in all the areas that ccp say their aiming at with this. Instant action wise, who doesn't just stand up for call of duty, it dominates, what you're action fps'er realy wants. The likes of estabished ip's such as battlefield and it's variants running in a close/distant 2nd, then the heavily promoted rest that in truth just pick up the slack before droping completely droping off the face of the planet. There's no such thing as a niche in the console market, all people either play it or they don't, games die extremly quickly. Saying that though, you'd be a fool to belive that ccp will ignore the captive audience they have, it'll be out on the pc soon enough if it drops a bomb on the static boxes.
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:41:00 - [28] Outgrew shooters years ago. Don't own a console. I guess I don't care about DUST 514.
Crimsoneer Gallente Knowledge Stick Station	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:33:00 - [29] Because it WILL BE AWESOME. --------------------------------------- Pods and Pills, a low sec blog
Vysnaite Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:36:00 - [30] Not on PC? Could not care less if its subscription or micro transaction...
Flibertygibbet	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:44:00 - [31] its likely Dust wont be the sort of ongoing evolution EVe is. So what additional content there is, will be most likely gear and vehicles (easy peasy), not graphical revamps and changes to game mechanics (hard sums involved). Dust will be a finished product, eve, like the real world - will never be finished (lets hope). Thus a sub would not be appropriate for Dust, whereas with eve - we are paying CCP to develop the game on an ongoing basis. I would never buy a console game that required subs in addition to the steep entry fee.
Crimsoneer Gallente Knowledge Stick Station	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:53:00 - [32] I'm just worried that CCP doesn't realise a console game will never have the lifespan EVE does...they're planning on starting people fighting NPCs, then having them join Sov warfare. Dust might easily be dead before people hit sov warfare. --------------------------------------- Pods and Pills, a low sec blog
Sister Fein	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:54:00 - [33] I didn't manage to catch the EVE-tv presentation :( Did they mention how many concurrent players would be possible in one 'match' in DUST? Unless they keep the numbers down the lag will be truly aweful - and that's a REAL no-no for an FPS. I also wonder about the viability of Xbox players fighting against PS3 players - I wonder how happy microsoft/sony will be about that idea... /Fein
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.10.04 14:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Crimsoneer I'm just worried that CCP doesn't realise a console game will never have the lifespan EVE does...they're planning on starting people fighting NPCs, then having them join Sov warfare. Dust might easily be dead before people hit sov warfare. They also stated quite clearly that EVE will be able to continue fine without dust, and dust will be able to continue without EVE. As for the micro transaction thing, who gives a ****. It's console players. Not EVE players.
Eeontasia	Posted - 2009.10.04 15:25:00 - [35] To make it clear for the OP as to why there is no "outcry" about microtransactions is because DUST 514 is a console game. I don't think I need to explain to you what kind of reputation console games have amongst the PC crowd. Especially amongst people with such fine tastes as to be playing Eve. Simply said, few people here actually give a flying ****.
Leeluvv Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.10.04 15:46:00 - [36] Edited by: Leeluvv on 04/10/2009 15:46:56 Originally by: Sister Fein Did they mention how many concurrent players would be possible in one 'match' in DUST? They don't have a firm answer yet, but more than 16 less than 255 was CCP's CEO's comment. Originally by: Doctor Mabuse A wife is just a T2 GF. They're more expensive and their resists are higher
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.04 16:08:00 - [37] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 04/10/2009 16:11:02 Originally by: Flibertygibbet its likely Dust wont be the sort of ongoing evolution EVe is. So what additional content there is, will be most likely gear and vehicles (easy peasy), not graphical revamps and changes to game mechanics (hard sums involved). Dust will be a finished product, eve, like the real world - will never be finished (lets hope). Thus a sub would not be appropriate for Dust, whereas with eve - we are paying CCP to develop the game on an ongoing basis. I would never buy a console game that required subs in addition to the steep entry fee. Actually, though information is scarce, there has been mention of frequent upgrades to the game (which is entirely possible now). I really think that CCP is trying to break new ground for console games, just as they had a revolutionary concept (that has yet to be duplicated) with EVE. Everything that has been released about DUST so far screams "persistent game" for the console crowd, almost a whole new genre for console gaming. DUST isn't going to be simply about "instant gratification" game play. There will be consequences for failure, there will be rewards for continued loyalty, there will be a strong involvement with a persistent and constantly expanding gaming universe. Console gamers have never had this before, and frankly I think that a lot of console gamers are tired of dropping cash for another new game every couple of months just to find something new and interesting to do... something that actually gives them more than a fleeting feeling of victory when the beat the final boss monster. Currently, at that point, they then only have the choices of start over again or buy a new game. DUST isn't going to be set up like that. I think CCP is attempting to lift console gaming up out of the rut it's in now and give it some real meat. And if they can do that, I think you will find players of DUST becoming just as dedicated to their game as EVE players are to ours. And instead of having a financial model based around maximum profits over a very short period of time, the income of DUST will be a steady source of revenue over a long period of time (which is ultimately much more profitable). We will just have to wait and see if they can pull it off. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2009.10.04 20:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Ranger 1 I think that a lot of console gamers are tired of dropping cash for another new game every couple of months just to find something new and interesting to do... I think CCP is attempting to lift console gaming up out of the rut it's in now and give it some real meat. Honestly my friend, im not just selective quoting, as you're whole post follows the general theme of those two above sentences. I seriously think you're either not looking at the console scene, or completely oblvious to it. Console gaming sales are in the millions mate, gamers get exactly what they want. Yearly updates on massively strong ip's, big liecensed titles, all the bling and badass publicity surounding the hype, gamers love it, publishers love it, the industry is worth billions because of it. Intitled to you're opinion as i am mine, but stuck in a rut, people being bored it, i just can't agree. Thats from a personal view point seeing the explosion over the last few years in console gaming, buying a wii and a ps3 because of the enjoyment factor thats had from the short and simple gaming that comes with. Aside from the more recent harsh times in the world, console gaming sales have hit the roof over the last few years, the people love it.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.04 21:09:00 - [39] No argument there, console games are worth big bucks. However that doesn't mean that they aren't stuck in a rut. Console game companies must currently, of necessity, keep churning out new iterations of their popular titles. The individual games do not have much in the way of longevity. I think, perhaps, it may be time to change that. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.10.04 21:41:00 - [40] Edited by: Akita T on 04/10/2009 21:46:52 Originally by: Tamahra But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!? Because most EVE players won't bother trying DUST, because it won't come out for the PC (or, at least, not at first). For instance, I don't own any consoles, and don't plan to buy any consoles any time soon. Also, I kind of gave up on shooters nearly half a decade ago. Granted, if DUST would come on the PC, I might just give it a go, but I certainly won't buy a console just to play it. In other words, I won't be playing DUST any time soon. So I don't care how the chosen payment model would be. Still, if I have to pick between 15 euro per month with all content unlocked vs 5 euro for a single specific "equipment pack" but otherwise free of charge... I'll most likely pick the latter, thank you very much. _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2009.10.04 22:05:00 - [41] Ohh no arguements there ranger 1. Away from eve i still play 3 pc titles over 10 years old online on a regular basis, if only i ever owned a console game with that kinda of staying put, id be a wealthy man. The industry now though feeds on money, i know the micro/sub system is steady ready cash, works well on the pc. Generalising about consoling players over avid pc users isn't realy my thing, but in general there is unfortunately. The powers that be know that too and would rather continue on shoving you through one nice looking door, then on to the next, each one with a big dollar sign stamped on. CCP can go all out with dust, but in truth their appealing to a braindead audience, with an industry thats totaly all against the idea of one game nicking revenues and ruining their great business model.
Batolemaeus Caldari Money Liberation Services Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 00:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Akita T For instance, I don't own any consoles, and don't plan to buy any consoles any time soon. Granted, if DUST would come on the PC, I might just give it a go, but I certainly won't buy a console just to play it. This sums it up i guess. Why bother? If it doesn't come out for my SNES or PC, i'm not interested. Now, i would love to have a game that feels like old school bf1942 again, and Dust might be a game like that if it were on Pc. But it's not a Pc game, so i couldn't care less. ---------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.10.05 11:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Ranger 1 No argument there, console games are worth big bucks. However that doesn't mean that they aren't stuck in a rut. Console game companies must currently, of necessity, keep churning out new iterations of their popular titles. The individual games do not have much in the way of longevity. I think, perhaps, it may be time to change that. I have to say I agree with you. Console games are stuck in a rut, following generic ideas and formulae. Sadly, this is exactly what the public want. The public demands homoerotic space marines grunting macho dialog to each other as they 'put the smackdown' on yet another slobbering alien. However, I suspect CCP may end up creating something unique here. There is certainly the potential for limitless replayability, as the political landscape in the main game changes. The sense of community may also prove to be a much bigger draw than the anti-console gamer crowd might expect. When you know your actions are impacting on a larger scale, there is more to invest in it, and the bigger the emotional investment, the more likely they are to keep playing. I am intrigued by this concept and look forward to its release. I'm no fan of micro-transactions, though. It stinks of large companies squeezing the customer for every last penny. When I buy a game, I expect to either pay once, or pay a subscription (as we do with MMOs). To then be asked to pay again to achieve full functionality is a bloody cheek in my book, and there is no way I will pay another few quid to get an extra item or bigger inventory, or whatever. Unfortunately, this does create a two tier system, where the rich can afford the 'full game' (and all the advantages it confers), whereas the less affluent (and those with principles) will have to struggle with an incomplete game. Some may say these do not have any direct affect on the game, but they must offer some benefits, otherwise people would not spend money on it (unless we now have a generation of people who will literally spend money on nothing). This 'transaction model' may not be too impacting yet, but we all know the propensity for corporations to violate all known ethics in pursuit of profits. It's the start of a slippery slope, kids.
XenoPagan	Posted - 2009.10.05 11:34:00 - [44] I don't see a reason for outcry. microtransactions are by now quite usual business model, no?
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.10.05 12:21:00 - [45] On what basis can anyone make statements like 'most eve players won't play DUST' or to that effect? In your opinion, right? Are there any detailed statistics available on how many EVE subscribers own consoles? Thought not.
Deva Blackfire Viziam	Posted - 2009.10.05 12:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Tamahra "No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model." due to streaming issues with the live cam, i might not have gotten that one correctly. But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!? or anyone know if i just misunderstood that one? Why should i cry out loud? I agree i was interested in DUST (got console, playing on it fairly often). But when i heard microtransactions it was already dead to me - im not gonna pay 2-3x what game is worth just to keep playing. Compared to EVE which is one of 2 or 3 games i have installed on PC (yeh PC games are that crap, nothing interesting came out in ages now) i have like 10 games on PS3 now (of which finishing 4 at once ;p) and another 4 which im thinking about buying this month. So DUST or no DUST, doesnt matter - console will still be busy. The only possible way (i see) to fixit is to enable payment by EVE PLEX system. Buy plex in eve (ingame), use it to fund DUST stuff. Then might even bother. Otherwise? Naah, plenty of other stuff to play.
RedLion Caldari State Constructions	Posted - 2009.10.05 13:19:00 - [47] I will not play dust if it doesn't come to PC, because I cba to buy a PS3 cuz of 1 game :P - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2009.10.05 13:37:00 - [48] No outcry because there aren't enough people upset about it. Not gonna play it, don't care how they pay for it. Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.10.05 14:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Akor Flandres On what basis can anyone make statements like 'most eve players won't play DUST' or to that effect? In your opinion, right? Are there any detailed statistics available on how many EVE subscribers own consoles? Well, actually during the fanfest the CEO of CCP stated that with DUST they wanted to target the audience that was less likely to be interested in EVE. And I bet that THEY have done all their homeworks before committing to such an expensive strategy...
Dannerkongen Lootex	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Kern Hotha Outgrew shooters years ago. man u must be like 80 or something
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Tamahra "No Subscription Fee - DUST 514 will operate on a micro-transaction model." due to streaming issues with the live cam, i might not have gotten that one correctly. But i wonder why theres no outcry on such a thing among the playerbase?!? Maybe because there isn't enough information available to pass judgement on it yet....?
Face Eelai	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:12:00 - [52] can't wait for yahtzee to make his zero punctuation about dust xDDDD
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Claudia Voltaire Ohh no arguements there ranger 1. Away from eve i still play 3 pc titles over 10 years old online on a regular basis, if only i ever owned a console game with that kinda of staying put, id be a wealthy man. The industry now though feeds on money, i know the micro/sub system is steady ready cash, works well on the pc. Generalising about consoling players over avid pc users isn't realy my thing, but in general there is unfortunately. The powers that be know that too and would rather continue on shoving you through one nice looking door, then on to the next, each one with a big dollar sign stamped on. CCP can go all out with dust, but in truth their appealing to a braindead audience, with an industry thats totaly all against the idea of one game nicking revenues and ruining their great business model. I really don't agree that the console market is a brain dead audience. I think they just don't have any good options compared to the current "wait for the next bigger, better version" of the games that they enjoy. If I were a Halo fan, I'd love to play that game knowing that the game... ... would be expanded on, rather than reinvented as a new release. ... was an environment where I could make a name for myself, instead of remaining an anonymous player. ... allowed me to easily join player created groups that could build a reputation for themselves. ... provided an environment where my actions had noticeable affects on the entire gaming world. ... still had the option for an hour of mindless pew pew when I wanted it. ... would retain the elements that I enjoy for a long time, while providing new and fresh challenges. I think that console gamers are not so different from PC gamers, but rather have been force fed a steady diet of mindless dead end games... primarily for the purpose of forcing them to fork out big bucks for each new release to continue experiencing the game world/style that they enjoy. I no longer play console games much because I wanted a deeper gaming experience, and did not want to fall into that particular financial trap. I would be thrilled to find that kind of depth in a console game, just as my kids would love to find that kind of depth in say TEKKEN or Halo. I personally would find time for both EVE and DUST, but for many console gamers it will open up a whole new world of options as well as a much deeper level of enjoyment than they currently have. As for the rest of the console gaming industry frowning upon this, I don't think CCP gives a damn what they think. CCP has made a habit of doing what the rest of the gaming industry has said could not be done, and making it a long term and profitable venture. I think it more likely that the console gaming industry big boys are going to be watching what CCP does next very closely, with an eye towards rethinking their current production model. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Deva Blackfire Viziam	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Ranger 1 I no longer play console games much because I wanted a deeper gaming experience, and did not want to fall into that particular financial trap. Sims, sims univerity, sims cemetary, sims circus, sims dogs sims cats and sims whatever disagree with you. So does call of duty world war 2, call of duty world war 2-2, call of duty world war 2-3 and so on. Both gaming systems have plenty of crap games or continued series. but what you wrote above is just typical bias towards consoles. They do have quite a few interesting titles which beat crap out of any pc title out there. Easy question - did you ever spend 300 hours or 1000 hours on ANY pc game except mmo (well and in some case shooters)?
Volabryn	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Ranger 1 I no longer play console games much because I wanted a deeper gaming experience, and did not want to fall into that particular financial trap. Sims, sims univerity, sims cemetary, sims circus, sims dogs sims cats and sims whatever disagree with you. So does call of duty world war 2, call of duty world war 2-2, call of duty world war 2-3 and so on. Both gaming systems have plenty of crap games or continued series. but what you wrote above is just typical bias towards consoles. They do have quite a few interesting titles which beat crap out of any pc title out there. Easy question - did you ever spend 300 hours or 1000 hours on ANY pc game except mmo (well and in some case shooters)? Digger, tetris, packman, civilisation, doom .. do they count?
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:40:00 - [56] Whether or not Dust 514 takes off with the console market there will be some % of EvE players who play it because they have a console and it effects their corporation. If the microtransactions can be covered by EvE isk then they will be in the clear. It looks like the microtransactions will be covered by isk. Therefore the people who will get screwed are console players with no idea that they could get sponsored by an EvE group and stop paying $$$. Dust 514 players will be forced to work closely with EvE players while at the same time hopefully there will be game mechanics in EvE that make relying on Dust 514 players useful. This is a good thing. It includes more people in the consistent world and encourages player interaction.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:46:00 - [57] That's cause not many people here will be playing it. Most of us aren't console gamers. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Crimsoneer I'm just worried that CCP doesn't realise a console game will never have the lifespan EVE does...they're planning on starting people fighting NPCs, then having them join Sov warfare. Dust might easily be dead before people hit sov warfare. Dust will not be a part of Sov warfare. Also, as others have mentioned, while interconnected, the two are separate games and would work just fine on their own if the other part didn't exist. Originally by: Sister Fein I didn't manage to catch the EVE-tv presentation :( According to the presentation slides… Dust 514 Dust & EVE EVE and Dust 514 will be linked using a phased implementation strategy at specific stages during the lifecycle of the two products Theatre of War The Theatre of War is the container for all non-player corporation and player corporation conflict that takes place within the game. Dynamic Battlefields Any battlefield is an inherently volatile place, but in Dust 514, they are truly dynamic Vehicle fitting An essential part of the IP — offers extensive customization opportunities and ibues vehicle combat with greater depth Economy system The game will utilize a microtransaction payment model that allows a la carte purchasing of blueprints for thousands of weapons, turrets, modules, and equipment for in-game use Alliances & Corporations Dust 514 players can establish corporations and form alliances with one another and EVE players Quote: Did they mention how many concurrent players would be possible in one 'match' in DUST? 64 ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Flibertygibbet Thus a sub would not be appropriate for Dust, whereas with eve - we are paying CCP to develop the game on an ongoing basis. A common misconception. -----
D1Lazarus	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:08:00 - [60] I just wanna "dust" a planet from orbit.
Bo'Tox Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:12:00 - [61] Microtransactions - CCP already has them. Its called buying GTC's for Isk. You buy something with real money that gives you an in game boost. I for one welcome more of our CCP Overlords... :)
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:17:00 - [62] As stated above why get worked up over something that I know nothing about yet. The plus that Dust will give FPS fans is that they may enjoy the additional competiton and ego boosting that will come along with affecting the most dominant, and maybe only, single server game in the world. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=

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