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OssadaDeathLaw
Shadow Bones and Skulls
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:15:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Tell you what lets remove 0.0 sovereignty from the game, add more NPC stations to 0.0 all regions, and open up all player 0.0 stations to anyone who wants to visit .  You would immediately see the 0.0 population grow. Tal
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:24:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Lvl5 in low sec never made mission runners go there, moving lvl4's will only make some already bored with high sec broken/bad content leave definitively.
If they are bored, why don't they leave hisec? EVE is really exciting out there, every day.
You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, for some is pve in low/null. Others will claim and cry oceans of tears if you force them to pvp in low/null they'll leave, but it's only because high sec grieffing is safer for them, if you force them to only wardec of faction warfare they will also leave.
So why don't we start pushing to low/null players that already claim to luv peeveepee or force them to join faction warfare? brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:28:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I would like to see a survey that shows for every 1,000 new players that start the game;
How many are still playing after 1 month and where are they? High , low, null? How many are still playing after 2 months? etc... How many after 3 months? How many after 6 months? How many after 9 months? How many after 1 year? How many after 2 years?
Get a handle on turn over rate?
All you'll get is all the null sec and low sec "elite" connecting thousands of new alts to make this survey fail once again and show once again they manipulate everything in the game because they can. Easy. brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:31:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Making the most active part of the game less enjoyable to play in is a silly business move. Making the less active parts more enticing to play in would be excellent.
To those thinking the solution to all problems is to keep nerfing Hisec - come up with ways to make the rest of the game more interesting instead. That would do much more for the game than cutting of its nose to spite its face. Rest of the game is already several magnitudes more interesting. There is nothing in hisec that could keep a normal person interested for more than a month.
There is but you just can't understand or even try it.
Simple, start a new toon from the scratch, don't ever transfer isk or whatever, start really from the scratch. Then come back telling again you've done everything in high sec in one month and I'll tell you it's a lie. brb |

Kurfin
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:46:00 -
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There are populated low sec systems, and null where pvp happens. If you want to pvp, try going there rather than sitting in the middle of nowhere requesting that pvp content is brought to you.
As previously stated it won't bring hoards of missioner out into low sec in their pimped ships for your ganking pleasure, it will lose CCP subs which will give them less money to develop the game. Low sec needs massively greater rewards, not far of null levels, than hisec to tempt people out there. And with new activities rather than moving existing ones from hisec because that just annoys lots of people. |

Mallak Azaria
189
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:51:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I would like to see a survey that shows for every 1,000 new players that start the game;
How many are still playing after 1 month and where are they? High , low, null? How many are still playing after 2 months? etc... How many after 3 months? How many after 6 months? How many after 9 months? How many after 1 year? How many after 2 years?
Get a handle on turn over rate?
We already know the turn over rate is high. EVE is a niche game & being anything but would turn it in to something else completely. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
386
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:03:00 -
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OssadaDeathLaw wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Tell you what lets remove 0.0 sovereignty from the game, add more NPC stations to 0.0 all regions, and open up all player 0.0 stations to anyone who wants to visit .  You would immediately see the 0.0 population grow. Tal 
Yep you liked that Idea as much as we liked talk of moving lvl4's.
Tal
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:08:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I would like to see a survey that shows for every 1,000 new players that start the game;
How many are still playing after 1 month and where are they? High , low, null? How many are still playing after 2 months? etc... How many after 3 months? How many after 6 months? How many after 9 months? How many after 1 year? How many after 2 years?
Get a handle on turn over rate? We already know the turn over rate is high. EVE is a niche game & being anything but would turn it in to something else completely.
For better or worst?
I'm inclined to think some major changes to game mechanics would make it a lot better place for real pvp fans better place for industrial fans and a much better place for PVE fans.
However you will never ever get the old rabble population incapable to adapt to those changes, they will not accept easy ganking changes, they will not accept you have to pay one year sub with real money before you can pay with plex (because easy biomass gank alts would suffer) and they will certainly not accept high sec interdiction under -5 SS.
They just can't adapt and make a better game for everyone. They live in the past of an Eve that has nothing to do with the one they new back in time, changes are good for others the moment they don't get their tralala touch, if they do they will simply quit.
brb |

Mallak Azaria
189
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:14:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I would like to see a survey that shows for every 1,000 new players that start the game;
How many are still playing after 1 month and where are they? High , low, null? How many are still playing after 2 months? etc... How many after 3 months? How many after 6 months? How many after 9 months? How many after 1 year? How many after 2 years?
Get a handle on turn over rate? We already know the turn over rate is high. EVE is a niche game & being anything but would turn it in to something else completely. For better or worst? I'm inclined to think some major changes to game mechanics would make it a lot better place for real pvp fans better place for industrial fans and a much better place for PVE fans. However you will never ever get the old rabble population incapable to adapt to those changes, they will not accept easy ganking changes, they will not accept you have to pay one year sub with real money before you can pay with plex (because easy biomass gank alts would suffer) and they will certainly not accept high sec interdiction under -5 SS. They just can't adapt and make a better game for everyone. They live in the past of an Eve that has nothing to do with the one they new back in time, changes are good for others the moment they don't get their tralala touch, if they do they will simply quit.
Ganking has been changed many times already, more than any other singular activity. We've adapted every single time, you have not. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ganking has been changed many times already, more than any other singular activity.
Not more than any other activity and only proves previous changes were badly implemented.
Quote:We've adapted every single time, you have not.
Yes tell me how difficult and tedious it is to circumvent rules that only restrain other players play style but never yours.
Also tell us all how elite you are in null/low sec at the point you are bored like that 
brb |

Mallak Azaria
189
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:36:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ganking has been changed many times already, more than any other singular activity. Not more than any other activity and only proves previous changes were badly implemented. Quote:We've adapted every single time, you have not. Yes tell me how difficult and tedious it is to circumvent rules that only restrain other players play style but never yours. Also tell us all how elite you are in null/low sec at the point you are bored like that 
The only rule in regard to suicide ganking is that you can't recycle alts to avoid the sec penalties. Please tell me how difficult & tedious it is to adapt to changing circumstances... Oh that's right, you'd rather be a victim. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The only rule in regard to suicide ganking is that you can't recycle alts to avoid the sec penalties.
You can, yo know it and you do it 
brb |

Mallak Azaria
189
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:56:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The only rule in regard to suicide ganking is that you can't recycle alts to avoid the sec penalties. You can, yo know it and you do it 
Of course. That perfectly explains why I suicide gank on this character. I must recycle it. |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
113
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:04:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:D3F4ULT wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:This has been discussed before, the potential rage quitting make it probably not going to happen I know, it's been batted so many times, but things are looking up to making it happen. I could care less about the AFK guy with his 4 alt accounts, he's afk anyhow not playing so why is he upset that he won't be playing what he doesn't play? derp. Generalizing everything kinda kill your purpose and your support :P. Maybe he needs that isk to be his safe income to finance his pvp activities? Also "balancing" you need a purpose. But according to your argument, people only do lvl 4 to afk and then afk? So moving lvl 4 will do nothing. Actually you will force people to go Null sec in safe heaven corps. Just pay a tax and you are good to go. Level 4's would then make a better investment due to risk vs reward. The game is ran by things blowing up. Without destruction (as noted during CCP's EVE FEST 2012) the cogs won't turn in the world of eve. Low-Sec doesn't have a current purpose other than being there. Creating a reason to be there gives low* sec a purpose. There's still safety of Local chat and no Warp disruptions. Thus "Learn to Play" instead of your safety net of High Sec where trading should be the main purpose.
So what system do you run your low sec level 4's in?
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |

Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
122
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:08:00 -
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"CCP making progress to a better EVE"
In my opinion they dont have concept for this game, they focus on small improvment like broken ui, missile upgarde remodelig existing ship models etc, since years CCP focus on polishing stuf in game with multiple results even bad while add more bugs in game.
Nerfing thing isn't way to improve game and this virtual world it self.
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Tao Arnst
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:40:00 -
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"CCP making progress to a better EVE"
ROFLMAO!!!! Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:57:00 -
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Tao Arnst wrote:"CCP making progress to a better EVE"
ROFLMAO!!!!

brb |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:27:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:We've seen incursions get nerfed. We've seen the drone goop nerf. Inferno is leading up to a good hit, but the one that would knock it out of the park to making EVE a true sensation would be sending all Level 4's to Low-sec.
This would indeed make things better :)
Agreed. Make High sec a big void with stations and gates. That will fix EVE.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
158
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:31:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:This has been discussed before, the potential rage quitting make it probably not going to happen This. Also to incentive low sec activity, you need to add new content to actually hook people interest to get in there. Not taking one content and taking to low sec. Adding new ships that stuffs comes from Low sec?(just throwing random ideas) It's not new content, it's called balancing.
It's called Nerfing so lazy pirates have more easy targets.....GL with that.... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

alexia santiago
New Rome corp.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:alexia santiago wrote:Simply not going to happen because a recent offical survey issued by CCP has made clear that only 25% of players are interested in pvp.
So - call it ragequit, or call it another way - CCP is simply not cutting incomes just to please 1/4 of their player base Because said survey was obviously completed by every single player.
No, because CCP - as any other company - makes surveys in order to know his customers opinions. And the players that did not want to spend some minutes to answer the survey will have nothing to complain about if their opinion is not taken in consideration by CCP. |

Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:38:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote: If they are bored, why don't they leave hisec? EVE is really exciting out there, every day.
You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, for some is pve in low/null. Others will claim and cry oceans of tears if you force them to pvp in low/null they'll leave, but it's only because high sec grieffing is safer for them, if you force them to only wardec of faction warfare they will also leave. So why don't we start pushing to low/null players that already claim to luv peeveepee or force them to join faction warfare?
I didn't say anything about "forcing" someone, I asked why don't they escape boredom to the other, more interesting areas of the EVE universe.
Why you want to force people?
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:There is but you just can't understand or even try it.
Simple, start a new toon from the scratch, don't ever transfer isk or whatever, start really from the scratch. Then come back telling again you've done everything in high sec in one month and I'll tell you it's a lie.
How can you tell that I don't understand, or that I haven't tried? We all start in hisec.
I got bored in hisec sooner than my first month was over, I did trading, hauling, exploration and even a few missions and tried mining and industry. I wasn't interested in can-flipping, suicide ganking or wardec faggotry, I wanted better return for my subscription money.
Can you tell me what I missed?
You seem to paint a very polarized, black & white picture of the people you call "pvpers" and low/null. Playing there is really a lot more than just shooting each other, there's even .all the NPCing available a person can handle, just better and more exciting |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:38:00 -
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I need l4 isk so I can PvP. Running l3s for isk is just not worthwhile. Also, someone mentioned dynamic agents where they reduce payouts and stuff? Seriously, why are you guys so worried about hisec? Hisec is fine. Run along now. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
386
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:39:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I need l4 isk so I can PvP. Running l3s for isk is just not worthwhile. Also, someone mentioned dynamic agents where they reduce payouts and stuff? Seriously, why are you guys so worried about hisec? Hisec is fine. Run along now.
This +1
Tal
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Tao Arnst
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:42:00 -
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alexia santiago wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:alexia santiago wrote:Simply not going to happen because a recent offical survey issued by CCP has made clear that only 25% of players are interested in pvp.
So - call it ragequit, or call it another way - CCP is simply not cutting incomes just to please 1/4 of their player base Because said survey was obviously completed by every single player. No, because CCP - as any other company - makes surveys in order to know his customers opinions. And the players that did not want to spend some minutes to answer the survey will have nothing to complain about if their opinion is not taken in consideration by CCP.
And the players that help test and gave feedback regarding what a mess this inferno would be, were "considered"?
They are NOT listening at all apparently.... Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change
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Cierejai
State Protectorate Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:45:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:This has been discussed before, the potential rage quitting make it probably not going to happen This. Also to incentive low sec activity, you need to add new content to actually hook people interest to get in there. Not taking one content and taking to low sec. Adding new ships that stuffs comes from Low sec?(just throwing random ideas) It's not new content, it's called balancing.
A lot of people run multi-billion isk ships and your mentally challenged if you think they would take them anywhere near low-sec.
What you would see is unprobable tengus flying all over low-sec so you would have to QQ about that.
>Implying you would invest that many skillpoints into a prober to find a missions runner when he is just going to warp away when he sees the probe because he is almost unprobeable.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:45:00 -
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alexia santiago wrote:And the players that did not want to spend some minutes to answer the survey will have nothing to complain about if their opinion is not taken in consideration by CCP.
You mean like useless feedback and thousands of posts about hybrids rebalancing?
Or the one about CQ's awesomeness?
Wait maybe the crapventory feedback instead? -And I could continue on and on.
Yes, we're indeed used to useful feedback considerations. brb |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
477
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:59:00 -
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alexia santiago wrote:Simply not going to happen because a recent offical survey issued by CCP has made clear that only 25% of players are interested in pvp.
So - call it ragequit, or call it another way - CCP is simply not cutting incomes just to please 1/4 of their player base You really didn't understand what you read, did you?
"what primarily attracted you to Eve..." and 25% said pvp".
Did you see the other survey (done by ccp) linked in the same thread? 75% liked pvp in the game...
Do try harder, but don't try so hard you go right out the other side into "gravely mistaken..."
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:14:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:We've seen incursions get nerfed. We've seen the drone goop nerf. Inferno is leading up to a good hit, but the one that would knock it out of the park to making EVE a true sensation would be sending all Level 4's to Low-sec.
This would indeed make things better :)
If by "better" you mean "have less people playing" then yes.
Not everyone in this game likes being a "bottom" for a 0.0 corp. |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
594
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:30:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:This has been discussed before, the potential rage quitting make it probably not going to happen This. Also to incentive low sec activity, you need to add new content to actually hook people interest to get in there. Not taking one content and taking to low sec. Adding new ships that stuffs comes from Low sec?(just throwing random ideas)
This incorrect. Raise the ISK/hour enough to overcome the high risk in low-sec and players will flock to low-sec. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt
Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:38:00 -
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Cierejai wrote: A lot of people run multi-billion isk ships and your mentally challenged if you think they would take them anywhere near low-sec.
What you would see is unprobable tengus flying all over low-sec so you would have to QQ about that.
>Implying you would invest that many skillpoints into a prober to find a missions runner when he is just going to warp away when he sees the probe because he is almost unprobeable.
A lot of people lose their multi-billion isk ships every day in lowsec. Then they buy new ones and fly out again for more good fights.
Only mentally challenged people are afraid of losing ships.
Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec.-á
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