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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Michwich on 07/10/2009 13:56:16 Judging by the forums youd think the unconsentual pvp crowd was the majority in this game, but when you actually play its the opposite, everyones in high sec and no ones in low sec. Why?
It kind of reminded me of PVP crowd in guildwars who used to think the game revoloved around them, and all balancing and what not should be done with their consideration. Until you stepped into a pvp arena and there was only a few dozen people on the pvp arena server compared to the hundreds in pve town outposts missioning, grouping whatever. Seems to be the same deal here. Why is it? In guild wars it was like that because the PVE game was just so much more interesting than arena PVP, I dont see PVE in this game so whats the deal?
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:55:00 -
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path of least resistance
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Haakelen
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:57:00 -
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Most 0.0 is empty because it's useless. Check back in a few months to see if it's still quite as empty as it is now.
Lowsec is underpopulated because it's the red-headed stepchild. It's considerably less safe than most 0.0 and much less profitable. The parts of it that are profitable are generally difficult to use unless you belong to a group of blues. FW Helped slightly, but it has its own problems.
IMO, at least.
Originally by: Jack Jombardo CCP love pirate, griffer, and other criminal acters!
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Laviski
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:03:00 -
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the difference is:
you die in eve you lose isk and that amount can be extreme. As a result you will have to spend time to earn that isk back.
Remember eve is what you want it to be but truth be told 0.0 is generally blob or be blobbed.
Low sec is for the weak who can't hack 0.0.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:06:00 -
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OP: Make up your mind, are you talking about lowsec or nullsec? However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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NeoTheo
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Laviski
Low sec is for the weak who can't hack 0.0.
what a load of utter crap - 0,0 is full of the biggest carebears in existance, with access to massive resources in 0,0 and free access to empire.
Lowsec tends to be the domain of the pirate, that means, next to no income from ratting and or mining, and no entry in to high sec to mission for cash.
dont talk utter tosh.
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Grunanca
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Laviski the difference is:
you die in eve you lose isk and that amount can be extreme. As a result you will have to spend time to earn that isk back.
Remember eve is what you want it to be but truth be told 0.0 is generally blob or be blobbed.
Low sec is for the weak who can't hack 0.0.
Riiiiight... Now lets face it, 0.0 is a bunch of carebears that relies on strenght in numbers. If you look at percentage you will see a very low number of people with a clue about pvp in 0.0 compared to low sec.
Anyone can be 0.1% of a big blob and watch a 0.0001 FPS slideshow and then go back to carebear if they are the 1 unlucky guy to get primaried.
Being succesfull in low sec actually require other skills than gathering the bigegst group of meat shields for your nap.
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Laviski
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:12:00 -
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low sec pvpers is for those that cba flying around 0.0 looking for targets. they sit on gate or play dockin games. Completely lame. If they ventured out it would bring more life in 0.0
So just give me more small roaming gangs and i will be happy and you will be happy as well for interupting the carebear machine as you call it if that is your thing.
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Knuckle Shuffle
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:17:00 -
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To me it's all the same 0.0/lowsec.Either way ur gonna lose a ship eventually
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:39:00 -
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Mainly because most of it not profitable to be in.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:41:00 -
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Didn't the OP quit a week ago?
Also, game != forums.
I call trollpost, and thereby award 2/10 for effort.
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Kiva Aharan
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 07/10/2009 13:56:16 Judging by the forums youd think the unconsentual pvp crowd was the majority in this game
No they aren't.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Laviski Remember eve is what you want it to be but truth be told 0.0 is generally blob or be blobbed.
Low sec is for skilled pilots who are not down with losing a ship to an alliance blob.
Fixed it for you.
Granted a lot of lame activities take place in low sec. 0.0 is a lot of fun if you actually do run across a good fight, however you are just much less likely to actually run into a good fight in 0.0. Null sec has gone to the alliance carebears.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 07/10/2009 14:07:52 what a load of utter crap - 0,0 is full of the biggest carebears in existance, with access to massive resources in 0,0 and free access to empire.
Have you ever lived in 0.0?
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca
Originally by: Laviski the difference is:
you die in eve you lose isk and that amount can be extreme. As a result you will have to spend time to earn that isk back.
Remember eve is what you want it to be but truth be told 0.0 is generally blob or be blobbed.
Low sec is for the weak who can't hack 0.0.
Riiiiight... Now lets face it, 0.0 is a bunch of carebears that relies on strenght in numbers. If you look at percentage you will see a very low number of people with a clue about pvp in 0.0 compared to low sec.
Anyone can be 0.1% of a big blob and watch a 0.0001 FPS slideshow and then go back to carebear if they are the 1 unlucky guy to get primaried.
Being succesfull in low sec actually require other skills than gathering the bigegst group of meat shields for your nap.
There are those of us in 0.0 who roam in small gangs as opposed to blobs. Last night I made the mistake of chasing someone too far away from a station and an opposing alliance jumped me with 15 ships mostly HACs but also a dictor and a Rapier to top things off. I was in a Rupture.
I haven't hung out much in low-sec really so I can't comment much but from what I've seen its mostly groups of pirates who probe out people to kill which really is no different than blobbing. Though I'm sure there are some people in low sec who enjoy a "fair" fight.
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:13:00 -
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Why is 0.0 so empty?
It's because all the Real Men and Women who now how to PvP live in High Sec doing Empire Wars, Mining, and Mission Running. I thought everyone knew that. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:21:00 -
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As a n00b to me it appears that 0.0 doesn't have PvP because the parties are very powerful organizations who understand MAD and are heavily invested in keeping the status quo.
I've participated on a few FW runs and it seems a lot of PvP happens in lowsec. I think this is perhaps where the focus needs to be directed so that the average joe can participate in meaningful PvP without having to spends weeks worth of effort to do so in some sort of fashion.
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:21:00 -
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well because firstly alliance rarely stay home they like to stay in the npc regions, especially places like stain and venal which are full of faction and officer spawns, also theres nothing to do in 0.0, its only the stations you need and thats where youll find most people. If you go to NPC 0.0 areas youll find they are alot more busier than standard 0.0.
Dominion will hopefully change that where alliances can utilisise there space, and what they dont use will be up for grabs!
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:28:00 -
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You appear to have edited your post before i was able to reply. To the original post I counter with another question:
"Why are there any 0.0 systems that are so useless, people don't even bother going there to rat or mine?"
Seriously, as it stands, far too much of 0.0 appears to be 'filler'. If its got any value in it, it takes too much effort for the average "I have 2 hours to play tonight, what can I do?" type player
You are correct though, PVP in the sense of blowing up ships isn't the majority of the game.
PVP of ships exploding will never be what the majority is doing while it takes someone a week or 2 to replace a fully fitted T2 ship.
The downtime rebuilding ISK to get back into the game is too long for all but the very few (Sure, we'll hear from people telling us of their bazillions of isk, these lamers need to SPEND IT on a ship and USE it though, cause they are just more people not continually PVP'ing).
Personally, I need to make back the investment I recently splurged on before I can PVP with glee and not worry that I'll be stuck, unable to play because I can't even afford to update my medical clone :-0
pod losses are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more expensive that T1 ship losses when you get over a certain SP amount :0
Originally by: Machine Delta When making a point, anyone taking it should consider the source.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:30:00 -
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Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that numerically there is more 0.0 space in the game than any other space.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:31:00 -
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Op quit posting, you make my head hurt,
Also set your destination to 77s in 0.0 --------------------------
WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls. |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 07/10/2009 16:54:58 One thing everyone needs to keep in mind.
Almost every single PVPer that "lives" in 0.0 also has 1-3 alts that live in empire for various reasons.
I have 4 accounts.
Of them 2 are dedicated PVP alts that stay in 0.0.
about 4 are cyno alts that sit between 0.0 and low sec.
4 are dedicated carebear alts.
I spend about 80% of my time on my carebear alts atm. Mainly because in 0.0 atm can't aupport the number of carebears sufficiently to warrant the effort.
So all those "carebears" you see in empire, probobly about 1/3rd of them are alts of "pvpers".
If dominion does everything we HOPE, and allows us to upgrade 0.0 so it can support a lot more people, then maybe you'll see a lot of the "carebears" move to 0.0.
As to WHY 0.0 is so empty, it's because noone wants to live out of a POS.
And Outposts are so few and far between.
People don't want to have to slow boat through 0.0 in a ratting ship a half dozen to a dozen jumps to find a system that's empty, and has a decent sec status so you can rat in "peace". Also a lot of "carebears" are ratting while doing other things. Reading, browseing the web, and so on. So they don't have the focus to rat in 0.0 as if ONE hostile comes in, they have to respond almost instantly.
If Dominion boosts 0.0 systems "ratting" capabilites to the point that 20-30 people can rat efficiently, then you'll see more people in 0.0, as it's easier to defend 5 systems for ratting/mining then 50.
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N. Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:48:00 -
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simply put: 0.0 has the hardest time financially supporting large groups of people, especially factoring in risk. As it is TOP end ratting system + some cosmic anomalies may support 5 people at any given time AT MOST. Alliances can have hundreds up to thousands of people to sustain. Obviously you can already see crowding issues.
Low sec ratting has been "boosted"... but it's not going to be anyones main source of income. There are a few lvl 4 Q 20's in low sec that can be popular but you have to be part of some blue'd up intel chan n what not and you can count on being interrupted by pirates.
Finally you have high sec: A single system with a lvl 4 Q15 agent can single handedly support an infinite amount of players spewing out around 20mil an hour for decent mission runners. Beyond that, the risk involved is EXTREMELY low - as long as you don't shoot the occasional ninja salvager you'll likely be left alone.
Put that into perspective: The HONEST average player (which are not the type to get obsessed with the forums) are not interested in risking the isk they have earned, they just like making more and more isk. We call them carebears. They tend to make up the majority of every game. You can add in that a lot of pvpers use high sec mission running as their source of income as well.
Hopefully this will in fact change with dominion with the new sovereignty upgrade system and a 0.0 system can support 20ish players... we can hope right?
I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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OninoTimmo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:15:00 -
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Why rat in 0.0 when you can make a similar amount in a completely safe high sec system?
If Dominion works as intended, you'll see a lot of those high-sec mission grinders try 0.0 and realize it's not as scary as they imagine it to be.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: OninoTimmo Why rat in 0.0 when you can make a similar amount in a completely safe high sec system?
Because it's not all about the isk per hour or the path of least resistance.
Speaking for myself and the small corp I fly with - Even with all of us online we can barely qualify as a small blob. We greatly perfer 0.0 and spend almost all of our time there. Freedom is the greatest reward. Empire is a cluttered mess. We like the quiet feel of many 0.0 areas. It's space, not a shopping mall. I don't want to see advertisments for the deal of the day in my local channel. we don't want to have to concern ourselves with sec status, standings, or Concord flagging rules. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
GallenteCitizen0923475
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 07/10/2009 14:07:52
Originally by: Laviski
Low sec is for the weak who can't hack 0.0.
what a load of utter crap - 0,0 is full of the biggest carebears in existance, with access to massive resources in 0,0 and free access to empire.
Lowsec tends to be the domain of the pirate, that means, next to no income from ratting and or mining, and no entry in to high sec to mission for cash.
dont talk utter tosh.
to the OP's NAPS/powerblocks/ and choke points in the main, that and not all 0,0 is made equal in terms of usefull resources.
He cant help it, hes in MH, and anybody that was with them during the drone lands fight knows how well they do at fighting >.> bunch of panzies.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 07/10/2009 18:20:06 Reading about 00 drama is what got me to try this game, but now that I'm playing, I realize I do not have enough time for 00. Never tried it, but everyone seems to describe it as having a job. That seems both not fun and way more time-intensive than I can afford. So, lowsec is the place for me. Fights when I want it, not at 4 am when some unemployed shut in calls for an op.
Maybe I'm totally wrong though. Again, never tried it. But nothing I've heard makes it sound either doable on a limited schedule or even particularly appealing.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 07/10/2009 18:20:06 Reading about 00 drama is what got me to try this game, but now that I'm playing, I realize I do not have enough time for 00. Never tried it, but everyone seems to describe it as having a job. That seems both not fun and way more time-intensive than I can afford. So, lowsec is the place for me. Fights when I want it, not at 4 am when some unemployed shut in calls for an op.
Maybe I'm totally wrong though. Again, never tried it. But nothing I've heard makes it sound either doable on a limited schedule or even particularly appealing.
Big alliance drama is pretty much as you've described. It is possible to have to operate in 0.0 as an independant pilot or small corp and skip the mega-alliance issues for the most part. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Enyo Ousia
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:46:00 -
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0.0 sucks! The 0.0 crowd preach on an on about how cool 0.0 is, to attrach noobs to be blobbed, and pay/mine for thier capitals. Low sec is much more convient, within a few jumps of a market or PVP. Being 80 jumps from anywhere and traveling 40 jumps to be insta popped by doomsday is only fun for the guy doing the insta pop.
Originally by: Laviski
Remember eve is what you want it to be but truth be told 0.0 is generally blob or be blobbed.
happens in low sec too, but prolly not as bad.
Originally by: Laviski
Low sec is for the weak who can't hack 0.0.
personal opinion is the opposite. You can't hack it in low sec, so you join a 0.0 blob.
Joining a 0.0 corp is like joining a suburban street gang. Yay I fit in!
Waiting for 0.0 corp invite.
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Aisley Tyrion
The Penumbra Initiative Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
And Outposts are so few and far between.
Unless it's Providence, or Delve nowadays.
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