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Cadius Vect
CARDASSIANS
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gtlzotllh Edited by: Gtlzotllh on 09/10/2009 02:01:27
Originally by: Allen Ramses You want a real nerf? Remove RR from non-logistics ships. I would LOVE to see that, but I know it wont happen.
All I really care about is the absurdly low powergrid requirements of LRAR. That's all.
Your tears, they are delicious.
Dear blizzar-....oops. Dear CCP: some jerks, lacking aspergers and a proper neckbeard, formed friends and used teamwork in this mmo to defeat my uber solo ship! pls nerf them!
As someone with both aspergers and a proper neckbeard I resent this statement. -----------------------------------------------------------
Killboard: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Cadius+Vect-kills.html |
BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 09/10/2009 04:40:14
Originally by: Gtlzotllh
You should probably check my corp's killboard, bro. Or even check youtube... We used shield logi constantly and did it with style (usually with ZERO losses and outnumbered!) Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it is broken.
You're reminiscent of those guys running around in 17km/s vagas yelling at ppl for wanting balance, saying that, "Its anti-blob, dont nerf it waaa"
And nice way to go twist my words. I bet YOU have never flown a shield rr bs before and that YOU have only seen it used on a basilisk by your teammate(pretty much the only ship to use sub-bs shield rr to decent effect).
And last I checked, I've flown basi's before and enjoy it, but it has nothing to do with LST's in the broader context.
The tears from ur eyes will be sweet when ccp inevitably balance RR. EVE Trivia EVE History
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Alt Tabbed
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cadius Vect
As someone with both aspergers and a proper neckbeard I resent this statement.
I would fit a proper neck beard(PNB) but it requires too much chin to be of much use. Some may say that a PNB is equal to the effectiveness to a good case of aspergers because you can see it coming, but with the chin needs it just doesn't make since to use them.
So we're faced with a a bunch of mindless aspergers gangs roaming the halls. Oh well.
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Gtlzotllh
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
And nice way to go twist my words. I bet YOU have never flown a shield rr bs before and that YOU have only seen it used on a basilisk by your teammate(pretty much the only ship to use sub-bs shield rr to decent effect).
And last I checked, I've flown basi's before and enjoy it, but it has nothing to do with LST's in the broader context.
The tears from ur eyes will be sweet when ccp inevitably balance RR.
Uhh. I fly scimitar, ty. And I have used RST on tempests in shield RT gangs in the past. Try again
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Cadius Vect
CARDASSIANS
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Tabbed
Originally by: Cadius Vect
As someone with both aspergers and a proper neckbeard I resent this statement.
I would fit a proper neck beard(PNB) but it requires too much chin to be of much use. Some may say that a PNB is equal to the effectiveness to a good case of aspergers because you can see it coming, but with the chin needs it just doesn't make since to use them.
So we're faced with a a bunch of mindless aspergers gangs roaming the halls. Oh well.
What? lol... -----------------------------------------------------------
Killboard: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Cadius+Vect-kills.html |
BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gtlzotllh
Originally by: BiggestT
And nice way to go twist my words. I bet YOU have never flown a shield rr bs before and that YOU have only seen it used on a basilisk by your teammate(pretty much the only ship to use sub-bs shield rr to decent effect).
And last I checked, I've flown basi's before and enjoy it, but it has nothing to do with LST's in the broader context.
The tears from ur eyes will be sweet when ccp inevitably balance RR.
Uhh. I fly scimitar, ty. And I have used RST on tempests in shield RT gangs in the past. Try again
Before you post any further, I need to know ur main's name for km checks as you seem too scared to post with ur main on an internet forum (I wonder why?)
Either that or ur just a month old noob spurting crap on these forums, wldn't be that surprising tbh EVE Trivia EVE History
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Gtlzotllh
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT Before you post any further, I need to know ur main's name for km checks as you seem too scared to post with ur main on an internet forum (I wonder why?)
Either that or ur just a month old noob spurting crap on these forums, wldn't be that surprising tbh
Confirming that the ceo is "just some month old noob" There are tons of people in FW who will testify that our reps have saved them on countless occasions.
Because you made it a point to introduce yourself by raging out and foaming insults, I'm going to make it a point NOT to reveal who my main is.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gtlzotllh
Originally by: BiggestT Before you post any further, I need to know ur main's name for km checks as you seem too scared to post with ur main on an internet forum (I wonder why?)
Either that or ur just a month old noob spurting crap on these forums, wldn't be that surprising tbh
Confirming that the ceo is "just some month old noob" There are tons of people in FW who will testify that our reps have saved them on countless occasions.
Because you made it a point to introduce yourself by raging out and foaming insults, I'm going to make it a point NOT to reveal who my main is.
Learn 2 read. I already said basi's can work ok, its shield rr on other ships that sucks (yet armour rr is great on logi's and bs..)
And the noob comment is explaining that the one you post with as a one month old noob, so u can only proove that much experience. And u started posting with this noob alt/w.e before i got here
And u obviously have no faith in your argument else you'd post on your main, so we cld check ur credibility of YOUR killboard stats, not the corps.
So it sounds like u never flew a shield rr bs unless you show proof EVE Trivia EVE History
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Gtlzotllh
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Learn 2 read. I already said basi's can work ok, its shield rr on other ships that sucks (yet armour rr is great on logi's and bs..)
Originally by: BiggestT how bout u try and fly a shield bs with rr or use shield rr in a gang, noob.
Originally by: BiggestT And the noob comment is explaining that the one you post with as a one month old noob, so u can only proove that much experience. And u started posting with this noob alt/w.e before i got here
And u obviously have no faith in your argument else you'd post on your main, so we cld check ur credibility of YOUR killboard stats, not the corps.
So it sounds like u never flew a shield rr bs unless you show proof
Or maybe I just like this sweet hood. :)
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Psyflame
North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
And u obviously have no faith in your argument else you'd post on your main, so we cld check ur credibility of YOUR killboard stats, not the corps.
So it sounds like u never flew a shield rr bs unless you show proof
As a former corpmate I will say that gtlz's dual-boxing scimmies have saved my shield canes and hamdrakes several times before. I have also seen him in a shield repping tempest. (btw, nice 19 kills you have there on the amarr killboard.)
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Psyflame
Originally by: BiggestT
And u obviously have no faith in your argument else you'd post on your main, so we cld check ur credibility of YOUR killboard stats, not the corps.
So it sounds like u never flew a shield rr bs unless you show proof
As a former corpmate I will say that gtlz's dual-boxing scimmies have saved my shield canes and hamdrakes several times before. I have also seen him in a shield repping tempest. (btw, nice 19 kills you have there on the amarr killboard.)
Ahh yeah, last I checked I'm a casual gamer, you know, like I don't need to pvp every waking hour of my life on an MMO?
And if you support that gtlz's used shield rr then good for you, but I can bet which one he'd prefer an armour rr bs or a shield rr bs? xD, still proving that his argument fails EVE Trivia EVE History
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Durethia
Department of Defence Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2009.10.09 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Enyo: Needs something to distinguish it from the Ishkur. Like more damage.
The Ishkur is nice, but the Enyo does way more damage than the Ishkur. At least it can. Typical Ishkur fit is with ion blasters (no bonuses) and 5 light T2 drones. Typical Enyo is with 125mm T2 rail guns, however I wouldn't get any frigate too close to a blaster Enyo with an additional rocket/launcher.
A Neutron blaster Enyo can really throw a party.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:09:00 -
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There seems to be more than a few people crying in this thread at the prospect of the PG requirements of LRARs being increased to about 4400 PG, to balance them with LSTs. I don't see why they're so upset by the thought of a better balanced Eve, one where shield RR BS gangs are as viable as armour RR BS. Maybe they're just whiners?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III There seems to be more than a few people crying in this thread at the prospect of the PG requirements of LRARs being increased to about 4400 PG, to balance them with LSTs. I don't see why they're so upset by the thought of a better balanced Eve, one where shield RR BS gangs are as viable as armour RR BS. Maybe they're just whiners?
Indeed. They can't stand the fact that their easy to pull off armor RR will now need some thought rather then just slapping it on because its easy. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:14:00 -
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You're probably right, Sidus. I know that it'll hurt me, because I use Typhoon and armour-Raven, but I'm happy to take a personal nerf if it means that Eve is a better balanced, more diverse game, with more choices and compromises made at fitting rather than just slinging on the same old fit.
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irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 08/10/2009 23:52:00
Originally by: xxxak FURTHERMORE, the new agility changes (as of about 9 months ago?) mean that the avergae cruiser can warp off before a rapier/huginn can lock on, meaning that at least one slot has to have a sensor booster. That means 1 web or NO tank.
[Huginn, YesWeCan] 3x Arby Assault Launchers 3x D180 T2 autocannons
Y-T8 MWD 3x Stasis Webifier II 2x Sensor Booster II, scan res
1600mm RRT EANM II DCU II
Medium ACR Medium Trimark or a resist (suggest Kinetic)
3x Hammerhead II 2x Hobgoblin II
congratulations with no point you just webbed him into warp.
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Jacob Flanders
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gtlzotllh
Comparatively, the megathron and armageddon have to sacrifice fitting (downgrading to frigate-sized plating) just to fit a single remote rep.
Standard megathron RR fit for my alliance includes 2x1600mm, 2xEANM2, 2x magstabs, 7x350mm and an LRAR. Same for geddon, except that it has room for 3 heatsinks.
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irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Flanders
Originally by: Gtlzotllh
Comparatively, the megathron and armageddon have to sacrifice fitting (downgrading to frigate-sized plating) just to fit a single remote rep.
Standard megathron RR fit for my alliance includes 2x1600mm, 2xEANM2, 2x magstabs, 7x350mm and an LRAR. Same for geddon, except that it has room for 3 heatsinks.
Fitting 350mm rails to a geddon is pretty daft you know.
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Jacob Flanders
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Posted - 2009.10.09 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: irion felpamy
Fitting 350mm rails to a geddon is pretty daft you know.
Didn't you know? It's the secret sauce of doom.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.09 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren - Low tier frigates: Make them all equivalent to highest tier frigs. Increase frig locking range.... seriously wtf?
Particularly the Merlin. It's stupid that the range bonused frigate is significantly outranged by the Kestrel, mostly because the Kestrel can lock from 40km while the poor old Merlin can only manage 30km.
Quote: - Prophecy: Khandize it please. Resists + HAM ROF bonus, 50m^3 drone bay/bandwidth, Mmmmmm....
Boost the Proph by all means... but don't do that to it! Firstly Khanid is T2 only, secondly look at the Damnation and then downgrade its resists and bonuses to T1... Leave the Proph as a gunboat but adjust it so that it's the tanky competition to the Harb.
Quote: - Augoror: This, I think, is the most useless cruiser in game. That says something with the lolicose out there.
Niche value but not useless. If you're Ospreying a POS for example an Auguror can keep several Ospreys running an additional transfer - it's not much but in that case it's more valuable than another Osprey.
Quote: - Retribution: Hello 2 mid slots plx?
Leave the Retri alone! 1 Mid means that you can't solo in it... It doesn't make it useless, it doesn't break it. The Retri is a fantastic little ship and I can't see any homogenisation which would not be detrimental to it.
- Myrmidon: Change its Drone bonus to follow the rules for the Combat Drone Operation skill (applying to scout drones only), increase it to 20%/level (giving it the equivalent of 20 unbonused medium drones to the Vexor's 15 and the Dominix's 15 unbonused heavies) and let it sit in a middle ground again. Its Bandwidth could even be increased again because the unbonused heavies wouldn't put it up at Domi levels of drone damage anyway.
- Eos: Got so heavily overnerfed it just isn't funny. Why bother flying one most of the time when you could use a Damnation or a Claymore. Give it back its midslot advantage, give it a tank which is actually worth something and consider the following...
- Sentry Drones: Reduce Bandwidth required to 20MBit. Certain ships could then use Sentries effectively without making them excessively available. For example, the Eos running 5 Sentries is not without value in fleet combat - but it's significantly less useful as a solopwnmobile than the old heavy drone version was. It also allows more options with drone bay adjustment than the usual which (particularly given the nature of sentry drones) allows for another level of evaluation and choice in fitting.
- Medium Drones: Should track a bit better than heavies... who had that idea? --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.10.09 13:29:00 -
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I'm very much against an increase in web strength on any ship, especially a range bonused one.
90% webs were really broken let's not go bringing them back. I wouldn't be against seeing an extra mid slot on the Huginn at the cost of a high.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Endless Subversion I'm very much against an increase in web strength on any ship, especially a range bonused one.
90% webs were really broken let's not go bringing them back. I wouldn't be against seeing an extra mid slot on the Huginn at the cost of a high.
well... you know i do object to these things aswell, especially on that 10%/lvl approach. but could a 5%/lvl be sold to you? and maybe only on the huginn? (see curse//pilgrim) - putting the gist back into logistics |
ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.09 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III There seems to be more than a few people crying in this thread at the prospect of the PG requirements of LRARs being increased to about 4400 PG, to balance them with LSTs. I don't see why they're so upset by the thought of a better balanced Eve, one where shield RR BS gangs are as viable as armour RR BS. Maybe they're just whiners?
Yes lets make everything the same Make the rep amount on local tanks the same too, make shield boosters boost at the end of their cycle, make the damage formula the same for all weapons
I mean, it should all be equal, right?
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.09 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 09/10/2009 14:45:26
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 08/10/2009 16:29:37 I've been around in Eve for a while.... and there's some injustices I'd love to see fixed. This is something of a one-off to blow some steam off after work, but I thought I'd share.
- Low tier frigates: Make them all equivalent to highest tier frigs. Increase frig locking range.... seriously wtf? ... - Hawk: CRIPES WTF USELESS SHIP ALREADY JEEZE FIX IT! - Vengeance/Malediction: Shouldn't we have fixed roflkets by now? ... - Craptor/Ares/Eris: Sigh. Terrible T2 ships is just such a waste. ... - Light Dictors: I hated you for the dictor speed nerf. Now the 'real' nano nerf hit and I hate you even more. - Tier 1 BCs: Make them Tier 2. The skill difference between BC1 and BC2 is laughable. ... -Liang
Agreeing with Liang for ships that I would like to be fixed. Also. All PG stats on missile ships is crap, sometime CCP should look into that and either lower requirement or up the PG. Not being able to fit HAMs to ships that supposedly have bonuses for that weapon system is pathetic. I am looking at you Caracal and Nighthawk.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Ed: If you're wondering why I left the Tempest off: I'm withholding judgment on the Tempest until I've seen the final iteration of the Projectile changes. It would be a mistake to balance the Tempest before projectiles are fixed.
Will pass judgment on Raven and Typhoon once missiles are fixed also.
FIX ROCKETS. please. with sugar on top. I'll buy you hookers and blow if you do. I really will.
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slightly sillydude
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Posted - 2009.10.09 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Endless Subversion I'm very much against an increase in web strength on any ship, especially a range bonused one.
90% webs were really broken let's not go bringing them back. I wouldn't be against seeing an extra mid slot on the Huginn at the cost of a high.
A web and a scram now is roughly the same speed reduction one of the old webs (against mwd ships at least, but seriously, who uses an afterburner). A web strength boosted Huginn would just be able to do it from range, which is exactly the point of the ship. If you don't like that then come up with some entirely different compelling form of ewar for minnie.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.09 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: ropnes
Originally by: Gypsio III There seems to be more than a few people crying in this thread at the prospect of the PG requirements of LRARs being increased to about 4400 PG, to balance them with LSTs. I don't see why they're so upset by the thought of a better balanced Eve, one where shield RR BS gangs are as viable as armour RR BS. Maybe they're just whiners?
Yes lets make everything the same.
Oh yeah, you're right, it's good to have diversity of fitting requirements of modules. It's good to have one form of BS RR so prohibitive in fittings that it's basically never used, meaning that all RR BS are the same armour-tanked ships... er... hang on... no, that's not diversity, that's monotony and you're an idiot.
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2009.10.09 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gtlzotllh All the other gunships (omen, ferox, etc) recently got an extra turret slot, why were these fierce frigates forgotten?
I'm inclined to slap you with a soggy pair of socks!
Omen got an extra turret slot, yes...
... did it get more powergrid to actually be able to fit that 5th turret?
And no, I don't count fitting downsized, small turrets, as being able to fit 5 turrets.
Anyways, all the T1 cruisers are just 2-3 day waste of time and isk until you can fly a BC. They could really just remove all the T1 cruisers from the game, and I don't think anyone would even notice.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.09 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III no, that's not diversity, that's monotony and you're an idiot.
But homogonisation!!!!1111 EVE Trivia EVE History
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.09 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 09/10/2009 15:50:12
Damn... homogeny... that's the word I was looking for.
Actually, it isn't. It's homogeneity.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.09 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 09/10/2009 15:50:33
Originally by: ropnes
Originally by: Gypsio III There seems to be more than a few people crying in this thread at the prospect of the PG requirements of LRARs being increased to about 4400 PG, to balance them with LSTs. I don't see why they're so upset by the thought of a better balanced Eve, one where shield RR BS gangs are as viable as armour RR BS. Maybe they're just whiners?
Yes lets make everything the same.
Oh yeah, you're right, it's good to have diversity of fitting requirements of modules. It's good to have one form of BS RR so prohibitive in fittings that it's basically never used, meaning that all RR BS are the same armour-tanked ships... er... hang on... no, that's not diversity, that's homogeneity and you're an idiot.
Rebalancing shield transporters to be reasonable to fit: yes please. Making both unreasonably stupid to fit: no please.
Everyone in gank+buffer BS of random type is about zero improvement over everyone in RR BS except you just melt faster. Local tank will NEVER be used in the gang sizes you use RRs at now, because trimarks+plates+damage mods > whatever crap repping you can muster.
Armour RR is fine as is, shield isn't.
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