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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:10:00 -
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I've been around in Eve for a while.... and there's some injustices I'd love to see fixed. This is something of a one-off to blow some steam off after work, but I thought I'd share.
- Low tier frigates: Make them all equivalent to highest tier frigs. Increase frig locking range.... seriously wtf? - EAFs: They got hit too hard by the nano nerf... never see them anymore. :| - Hawk: CRIPES WTF USELESS SHIP ALREADY JEEZE FIX IT! - Vengeance/Malediction: Shouldn't we have fixed roflkets by now? - Enyo: Needs something to distinguish it from the Ishkur. Like more damage. - Craptor/Ares/Eris: Sigh. Terrible T2 ships is just such a waste. - Coercer: JEEZE PEOPLE ONE MID SLOT IS NOT ENOUGH! - Light Dictors: I hated you for the dictor speed nerf. Now the 'real' nano nerf hit and I hate you even more. - Tier 1 BCs: Make them Tier 2. The skill difference between BC1 and BC2 is laughable. - Prophecy: Khandize it please. Resists + HAM ROF bonus, 50m^3 drone bay/bandwidth, Mmmmmm.... - Omen: It'd almost work as a mini-geddon if it had the fittings to work with. - Augoror: This, I think, is the most useless cruiser in game. That says something with the lolicose out there. - Arbitrator: 3 turret slots please. - Retribution: Hello 2 mid slots plx? - Celestis/Arazu/Lachesis: The strength change that came from scripts (and I am specifically referring to the strength of the individual sides) was a way overkill nerf. Can we get the damp bonus boosed to 7.5-12.5%? IIRC it took 12.5% to get it back up to where it was. Scripts was a good idea, but changing the underlying formula wasn't. - Painter bonused ships: Sigh. You call this **** ewar? - Rapier/Huginn: Web strength bonus please. Maybe at the cost of the painter bonus. See above: You call this **** ewar? - Muninn: Two utility highs at 100km... useless. I can has 2 mids or mid/low or 2 low? - Black Ops: More gank would be nice. Or removing the scan res penalty on cloaks. Or a covops cloak. - I am underwhelmed by the Oneiros. The Basilisk/Guardian/Scimi each have distinctive roles (Basi for POS repping, Guardian for heavy armor gangs, Scimi for nano gangs) .... but fast moving gangs don't really need armor often. - Procurer: Why? - Jump Freighers: ZOMG EXPENSAVE JEEEEEZZZEEEEEE..... (ok, I'm just jealous, I admit it)
If I forgot your (least) favorite: sorry. Feel free to add it! If you disagree: sure... that's your prerogative.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:17:00 -
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Missiles launcher slot for the badger mark II please. I have my reasons
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:47:00 -
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I disagree on giving the Rapier/Huging web strenght bonus. Would be to powerful with the range bonus.
Either strenght or range, not both.
So another bonus would be more appropriate imo.
Nighthawk: Needs more gird, slot redistribution and bonus overhaul to be a good ship for PVP. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Redora
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:15:00 -
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Diemost: Make it wurk again. :(
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Anyone have any spoons I can borrow? If I have to spoon-feed any more players, I'll have to eat my Wheaties with a fork.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:15:00 -
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myrmidon - 100m3 bandwidth blockade runners - 2 high slots on all instead of the clearly overpowered prowler. harbinger - symmetrical 7th gun slot astarte - extra utility high nighthawk - extra grid eos - back to some semblance of it's former glory.
finally found a use for the auguror tho liang, feeding cap to amarr BS on a low skill alt when taking down high sec POS's and you are too lazy to change to cap stable setups or bring an alt with cap charges.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:18:00 -
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I don't understand why people think its a good idea for rapier/huggin to have strength AND range bonus. Maybe give the huggin a strength bonus and rapier a range one, but not both on a single ship.
Myrmidon needs 100mbit.
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Xetal Maelstrom
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:25:00 -
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There are a lot of cases where a race has two ships that fill a very similar role in a particular class-size.
Obviously one ends up being better than the other, which makes the worse one pretty well useless. I'd like to see these changed to have completely different strengths/weaknesses.
Hyperion/Megathron is a good example of this, or Harbinger/Prophecy. Just too similar.
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David Devant
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:32:00 -
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On the huginn and rapier they should increase the number of mids and adjust CPU and cap. Thus letting you fit more webs or a tp or 2. Problem with TPs is why would you fit one over a web? Same with hyena.
And Eris. Totally agree. Omg why?
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Cerebus Brutus
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:54:00 -
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Retribution realy needs another mid slot to be a awsome ship.
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Ioptic
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Posted - 2009.10.08 11:07:00 -
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As far as the hawk goes... When the ab change hits it will be the only af that can achieve reasonable damage at top speed while orbiting. Though admittedly the others will mainly use the ab bonus to get into range
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.08 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 08/10/2009 11:23:16 Pretty much what liang said except tofr the minmi web strength bonus.
Additionally, the nighthawk needs more bang for its overpriced buck (more grid, more slots w/e).
The eagle sucks. Yes I said it. A ferox can do anything it can do for cheaper. Dont give me that "but 100km with antimatter!" crap, it still has lousy dps and tracking with terrible cap when using antimatter. Use spike and ur dps is so bad that you can only shoot at ceptors at 200km and hope they are stupid enough to hang around for a few volleys. Not to mention cap use with spike blows chunks.
Also, the moa is useless, railboat t1 cruiser? lame??!!
edit And no, dont give me that "use blasters" crap for these railboats, a brutix or gallente cruiser is much better for that.
Reckon some of the non-caldari t1 ewar cruisers cld use a buff too... EVE Trivia EVE History
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:05:00 -
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Hawk: for the love of god please fix rockets. Its such a sexy ship and I love missiles
Prophecy: khanidize? Yes please. It wouldn't be horribly overpowered with resists + HAM RoF bonus and even just a 25m3 bay.
Rapier/huggin: I don't fly them but web strength bonus should be there, especially with one of the faction BSs now getting it (I forget which one).
Augoror: I don't even know what the bonuses on that ship are
Retribution: I don't understand why this ship has 1 mid
And the most important, the Nighthawk: From what I have read it was introduced before HAMs? Thus the grid required to fit HAMS + tank + mwd wasn't taken into account; yes I know some crazy people pvp in it and its regarded as a superb PVE boat (that's what I use it for). But the fact of the matter is that if you want to pvp, use a drake for marginal difference in performance for a fraction of the cost. T2 should obviously be a more costly loss but it should also have a tad bit more enhanced performance... _____________________________________________
-Sketch, Certified Pharmacist
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Gallente Citizen1
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Prophecy: Khandize it please. Resists + HAM ROF bonus, 50m^3 drone bay/bandwidth, Mmmmmm....
Oh yea. good way to nerf lasers is to transform them into ham or drone ships. Atleast spare the Zealot and Harbinger.
Most other suggestions sounded good.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gallente Citizen1
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Prophecy: Khandize it please. Resists + HAM ROF bonus, 50m^3 drone bay/bandwidth, Mmmmmm....
Oh yea. good way to nerf lasers is to transform them into ham or drone ships. Atleast spare the Zealot and Harbinger.
Most other suggestions sounded good.
He's taking a useless ship and turning it into an awesome one.
There's a few ships you've missed though, for example iteron Mk 4, which is way out of line with the 3 and 5. Heretic, for same reasons as malediction and vengeance. Lachesis..? Kronos, needs a decent dronebay, the only one unable to viably fit close range guns needs some kind of edge. Vargur, needs a small buff in damage, it simply doesn't compare to the paladin and golem. The whats-its-name minmatar hauler. Parrots, commence!
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Borasatar
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ioptic As far as the hawk goes... When the ab change hits it will be the only af that can achieve reasonable damage at top speed while orbiting. Though admittedly the others will mainly use the ab bonus to get into range
I heard a rumor that they were ditching the AB bonus for AFs...
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:34:00 -
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Agreed on pretty much all points, just add Deimos, Myrmidon, and Hyperion to that list. And give the Ishtar more PG/CPU, seriously... nearly twice the slots of a Vexor with ~5% more PG and CPU? How does anyone fit this thing? However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Warrio
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:59:00 -
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Augoror is far from the least useful cruiser. It provides an excellent cap battery able to be flown by newer players, particularly in POS shooting situations. - |
fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:21:00 -
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I gotta agree with Liang once here.
And I got to add some more:
- Shield Transporters: Lower their CPU reqs. - Give the Ferox a 7th Turret - Give the Eagle, Nighthawk and Cerberus sligtly more PG - Helios -1 Mid +1 High - Rockets.....~~~ - Blaster: maybe +50% Falloff and 5% more Tracking.
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:29:00 -
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could ccp give minmatar the fastest ship again.... having the amarr cepter be faster when you try to overheat your mwds is just sad.
also maelstrom.
I thought minmatar where speed/flexibility yet maelstrom has neither of those. ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Beltantis Torrence
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:30:00 -
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Arazu and Lachesis also need significantly better agility. They handle worse than the Gallente HACs do.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc I don't understand why people think its a good idea for rapier/huggin to have strength AND range bonus. Maybe give the huggin a strength bonus and rapier a range one, but not both on a single ship.
Myrmidon needs 100mbit.
Or do it like the amarr recons. Force recon only gets one bonus, combat recon gets both.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Arazu and Lachesis also need significantly better agility. They handle worse than the Gallente HACs do.
Better cap also, they cap out faster than a Vaga with a 100mn MWD. (And aren't as awesome) However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:40:00 -
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Give the Gallente ewar cruisers a bonus to remote ECCM Would make them useful in gangs as a counter to falcons
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Low tier frigates: Make them all equivalent to highest tier frigs. Increase frig locking range.... seriously wtf? - EAFs: They got hit too hard by the nano nerf... never see them anymore. :| -Agreed. EAF's need some sort of a buff to make them more survivable. I was thinking more in line of a scaling Sig Radius decrease per level. - Hawk: CRIPES WTF USELESS SHIP ALREADY JEEZE FIX IT! -It's not as terrible as you make it out to be, but some bonuses just don't belong there(missile speed, wut?) - Vengeance/Malediction: Shouldn't we have fixed roflkets by now? -I believe CCP said that's in the works? - Enyo: Needs something to distinguish it from the Ishkur. Like more damage. -As long as you boost the other assault frigs that need fixing. - Craptor/Ares/Eris: Sigh. Terrible T2 ships is just such a waste. -At least the Eris is cheap. But being the slowest dictor should at least give it the most damage output, which its terrible weaponry systems and bonuses don't deliver. - Coercer: JEEZE PEOPLE ONE MID SLOT IS NOT ENOUGH! -Agreed. - Light Dictors: I hated you for the dictor speed nerf. Now the 'real' nano nerf hit and I hate you even more. -I'd have to be playing before the speed nerf to comment on that. - Tier 1 BCs: Make them Tier 2. The skill difference between BC1 and BC2 is laughable. -Skill difference on most tiers is laughable. The important difference is the cost for the Tier 1 ships, and that shouldn't change. - Prophecy: Khandize it please. Resists + HAM ROF bonus, 50m^3 drone bay/bandwidth, Mmmmmm.... -Khanid should stay a T2 thing IMO. There are other ways to fix the Prophecy. - Omen: It'd almost work as a mini-geddon if it had the fittings to work with. -The Omen does its job as a tougher Stabber IMO, and the Amarr T1 Cruiser line is supposed to be weak. - Augoror: This, I think, is the most useless cruiser in game. That says something with the lolicose out there. -It's nice for pos bashing assistance. - Arbitrator: 3 turret slots please. -Arbi is good enough. - Retribution: Hello 2 mid slots plx? -YES
I'll view the rest later
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:30:00 -
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pretty please fix my heretic? >.>
Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Pax Empyrean
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:41:00 -
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Quote: - Low tier frigates: Make them all equivalent to highest tier frigs. Increase frig locking range.... seriously wtf?
This. How often to people fly the crap frigates? A ship that's good for the first 20 minutes of a character's career is a waste. Give them all ten slots total (like the top tier frigates all currently have) and we'll have all kinds of useful little ships. With the incoming boost to AFs, the currently worthless frigates are going to be even worse.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 08/10/2009 17:11:39 1) Remove the tier concept from frigates. Give them all the slots, hp, fittings, of the top tier frigates. 2) Remove the tier concept from cruisers. Make them all be 'top tier' cruisers. 3) Make tier 1 BC as good as tier 2 BC (which are very well balanced) 4) The Nighthawk has a laughably low grid. Seriously, it's the only command ship that loses grid compared to its T1 counterpart (the drake). This thing needs way more grid. In fact, many ships just don't have enough fitting. Omen and Moa short on Grid, many missile frigates short on CPU (hookbill, worm) 5) The hawk: worst AF in the game. Does less damage than its T1 counterpart, the kestrel. Has an active tank bonus but not enough med slots or PG to mount a good active tank. Such a terrible ship 6) All ships using rockets suck, because rockets suck 7) All destroyers except the thrasher suck 8) All interdictors except the sabre suck. 9) Coercer and retribution have 1 mid slot. This is not enough for light ships. 10) The Craptor. Worst interceptor in the game. Would probably remain so even if the powergrid CCP took away when it got it's 3rd turret were re-introduced, but it would at least be a start. 11) Prophecy. Tank is not a role in PvP. Make it a Khanid ship please :) 12) Make all minmatar BS able to active shield tank. If they have to armor tank, they are not going to be more nimble and agile than other races BS. Caldari BS need to be able to active shield tank as well. Shield transporters need to not cost ridiculous amounts of CPU. Then we might actually see RR BS shield gangs instead of just armor gangs. 13) Any frigate with a missile velocity boost: this boost is useless. Rockets suck, don't use them. Base light missiles already have too great a range and too low a damage, able to shoot well past over heated scram range and even past the frigates own lock range.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:15:00 -
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Let's see:
One player got 20 wishes. Let's say 250.000 subscribers. Average number of wiches: maybe 10. Makes 2.500.000 changes.
Oh yeah, sounds like a plan.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:35:00 -
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6 turret or missile slots on the Scorpion.
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General Coochie
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 08/10/2009 17:38:25 I agree with Liang on everything that I have enough experience to comment on which is like half. And the rest sounds reasonable.
I do not agree with the minmatar recon changes though. Needs buff? Maybe. Range and strength bonus, no thanks.
I agree on making all cruisers same tier as someone said. Would make the game MUCH more fun. Though you gotta be careful with the arbi and vexor cause they are quite powerful only being tier 2 at this time. Caracal, omen, celestis, auguror, bellicose, stabber and even moa, could use various amounts of love.
Especially the omen, someone said it works as a better stabber but that ain't true cause it can barely fire its weapons without capping out and its a pain to fit it. The fact that a thorax fitted like an omen outperforms it in every aspect says something. (except maybe a slight advantage to omen speed)
The important thing here I think is buff all the useless ships that no one is flying. How CCP can decide. Just make ppl fly all the ships in the game. It would be much more fun seeing more variety in ships and tactics used.
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