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sweikewa	Posted - 2009.10.10 11:50:00 - [1] Can someone from CCP say what logic is there that all navy bs' got reduced shield recharge rate by 50% ?. i Just want to know who was so brilliant.. ? it's no change for armor tanking ships. But for shield tanking ships it's a big difference..
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.10 11:55:00 - [2] Yeah, the passive armor recharge was reduced too. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.10.10 11:55:00 - [3] If you're not active tanking your CNR or any other navy ship then you're doing it wrong. If you want to afk level 4's, get a passive tanked ship with the right bonuses like the Rattlesnake after December 1st. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:09:00 - [4] Phew, good thing I armor tank Originally by: Hamshoe Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
Hairy RingPiece	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:19:00 - [5] I see what you did with that word in the thread title.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:36:00 - [6] If they had a good reason they would have said it by now. People have been complaining and asking for a response from ccp for a while in the test server feedback -> navy ship changes thread for a while. And if you think you can afk 4's with a passive CNR your a little light on brain power. I didn't know that the CNR had a **** drone bonus or fires automatically. Also, if you would like to finish a mission this century you still need to pull off relays to fit 1 or 2 bcu's meaning the ship cannot survive some of the more difficult 4's without firing back and eliminating dps quickly. Youre welcome to fit your CNR passive and leave it afk in blockade or worlds collide...thats cool with me...and the ninjas that would be salvaging your wreck and laughing. The sky was blue but there was no god.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Anvil Inc. Superior Eve Engineering	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:40:00 - [7] you just want a passive tanked CNR for your mission --------------------------------------
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:52:00 - [8] Originally by: IntegralHellsing you just want a passive tanked CNR for your mission ive been using my t2 purger rig fit cnr in missions for a year and a half and its been lovely. However, it seems its the CNR's turn for the nerf bat this time around and that era will be coming to a close. All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it. While the recharge time has been increased from 2500 -> 3390 on all navy bs the only ship being affected by this in a serious way is the CNR. While its true you COULD passive the navy thron and get a better shield tank then the CNR its not practical as the thron needs cap to fire. While i dont run missions much anymore and i wouldnt take that fit any place else for any other reason my main problem is that there is no reason to remove the CNR's option to fit that way. We dont need more cookie cutter fits. I asked ccp to please just post the fit they have intended for the CNR so I can just do that in the future, or with any other ship for that matter, and not get screwed on the next rotation of nerfing. If ccp felt the recharge time should have been 3390 then they should have thought so years ago when the ship was introduced. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:01:00 - [9] Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it. Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself.
Dust Irae Minmatar Uusasai Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:02:00 - [10] Originally by: AccesiViale All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it. You made good use of those rigs for a long time; it's not like they were wasted.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:03:00 - [11] They nerfed the recharge rate so that the navy ships won't get a higher base passive tank than normal ones. Understandable so far. Only issue I see is that with that they further nerfed actual passive tanking on the navy ships as shield extenders won't have the same impact on the navy ships as on normal ones. I say, they should boost shield recharge rate on ships where a passive tank is feasible to balance out this reduced effect so those ships can be passive tanked again properly. -------- Ideas for: Mining
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Akor Flandres Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it. Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself. ill get over it when they act like a responsible company and provide a product that is complete at time of delivery... besides they unfit rigs for people before when they made crazy changes and they provided reasons for doing such. the fact that you willingly accept perpetual nerfing says loads about your intelligence. next time you want to insult me try not hitting me with your purse. The sky was blue but there was no god.
ArtieLange	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Akor Flandres Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it. Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself. I was thinking the exact same thing.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:14:00 - [14] ...as if im the only person in all of eve that cared enough to fit my ship that way. Either way you look at it the change is without merit If its been fine for all this time and the change will affect no one then there is no reason to wast dev cycles on it. If the change is so needed because the cnr fit that way is omg wtf overpowered then it took them years to figure this out? Just because i have ~18 months of use out of it doesnt make it cool to nerf it for the other guy who just saved and put his t2 rigs on only to find out a week later he has a 1.5b paper tiger. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:20:00 - [15] Originally by: AccesiViale If the change is so needed because the cnr fit that way is omg wtf overpowered then it took them years to figure this out? I don;t think the allies knew that the treaty of versaille would lead to the tension of germany leading up to a trigger of WW2? When you balance you have to research. Research if you've ever done it at any serious level takes a long time, you cannot base theories off 5 minutes on wikipedia. ------------------------------------- Don't click the links or even the forum topics.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:21:00 - [16] Originally by: AccesiViale whine It would have been smarter to fit T2 missile range rigs and use your CNR with torps. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:24:00 - [17] Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 14:25:58 I'm pretty sure you know that they don't really stack right and i wont see range much beyond 50k with javelins. So then you would need to come up with good examples of how people were negatively affected in any way by the way the way the cnr is now. Its easy to try and use real world examples to justify a point related to a internet spaceship game but its unfortunate that they dont really translate and are aparently against tos...as ive had my posts citing them before removed by navigator. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:30:00 - [18] Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 14:25:58 I'm pretty sure you know that they don't really stack right and i wont see range much beyond 50k with javelins. Proof that you're not very bright. You can get 75km with javelins if you have full missile support skills(which you should be getting if you don't have already), a +5% missile velocity implant, and use T2 hydraulic bay thrusters and 2 x T1 Rocket fuel Cache partitions. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Lucian Lemuel	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:35:00 - [19] Originally by: AccesiViale Originally by: Akor Flandres Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it. Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself. ill get over it when they act like a responsible company and provide a product that is complete at time of delivery... besides they unfit rigs for people before when they made crazy changes and they provided reasons for doing such. the fact that you willingly accept perpetual nerfing says loads about your intelligence. next time you want to insult me try not hitting me with your purse. Mmos are by their very nature never finished. They are supposed to change
Gunnanmon Gallente Imperial Syndicate Forces The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:36:00 - [20] Originally by: AccesiViale ...as ive had my posts citing them before removed by navigator. Please do not comment on the censorship exercised by Navigator. ty. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 14:25:58 I'm pretty sure you know that they don't really stack right and i wont see range much beyond 50k with javelins. Proof that you're not very bright. You can get 75km with javelins if you have full missile support skills(which you should be getting if you don't have already), a +5% missile velocity implant, and use T2 hydraulic bay thrusters and 2 x T1 Rocket fuel Cache partitions. Cool, your right now that ive checked. Care to rewind time 18months and tell me that so i can use diff rigs because a year or so from now the way ive chosen to tank will be invalid. You have to admit that 18 months ago running the numbers would show a good tank and dps balance with the fit ive chosen and 45k has been working out fine for me. When i get my rigs unfit ill probably follow your advice because its really the only next choice. That or ccc since ill have to active. Really i learned my lesson with ccp's speed and missle changes and im fully specced for abbadon now... Guess im an ass for trying to help the op/agreeing w/ em. cheers The sky was blue but there was no god.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:41:00 - [22] Switch to a Golem. Next topic.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Cors Switch to a Golem. Next topic. Also considering the price that a CNR will fetch these days and the Dominion changes to the components needed for T2 ships will make their prices drop fast. /thread -- Eventus stultorum magister.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: Cors Switch to a Golem. Next topic. Also considering the price that a CNR will fetch these days and the Dominion changes to the components needed for T2 ships will make their prices drop fast. /thread lol clearly missing the point that this could not possibly have been considered 1.5-2 years ago when buying t2 rigs (in my case anyway). But from the looks of it I and the op are the only ones who actually own a cnr fit this way. This has been a sweet drunken convo but ill conceed my argument as it appears ive been bested. I totally should have known that my ship stats would have been changed, the golem would exist, and t2 prices would be coming down years after constructing one of my ships. What i didnt know is that i apparently feel more strongly about this then the op...and that it seems i litterally am the only one who cared. Space is cold and lonely :) The sky was blue but there was no god.
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:26:00 - [25] passive tanking needs a nerf anyways. (delete it, imo) ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:35:00 - [26] Finished product? CCP has been balancing and rebalancing the game for years. It's what keeps the game fresh, forcing players to change their tactics, discard old and outdated ones in favour of newer ones. They nerf some ships and modules periodically and buff some of them periodically. Why would you want to play a stale game that never evolves? WOuldn't it be better to just buy a single player game and never patch it? That way you'll end up having a 'finished product' which will never change.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 16:06:00 - [27] Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 16:08:24 actual change would be adding something new that changes mechanics making me adapt...remaking something thats already done is what is stale call me crazy but expansions should be expansions...not "we changed a couple of numbers on something we have already done before...enjoy" sov changes will make people adapt in a positive new way. fixing turrets so they can now hit things that are at 0 (still subject to tracking) is a good fix. This ship change wont bring anything positive and fixes nothing. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Joe Starbreaker Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2009.10.10 16:36:00 - [28] Critique my passive-tanked Navy Apoc fit please: Quote: [Apocalypse Navy Issue, passive tank?] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Vespa II x5
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.10.10 16:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Critique my passive-tanked Navy Apoc fit please: Needs more Estamel. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Grarr Bexx	Posted - 2009.10.10 16:52:00 - [30] The tears in this thread are delicious.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:03:00 - [31] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 10/10/2009 17:04:06 Originally by: AccesiViale Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: Cors Switch to a Golem. Next topic. Also considering the price that a CNR will fetch these days and the Dominion changes to the components needed for T2 ships will make their prices drop fast. /thread lol clearly missing the point that this could not possibly have been considered 1.5-2 years ago when buying t2 rigs (in my case anyway). But from the looks of it I and the op are the only ones who actually own a cnr fit this way. This has been a sweet drunken convo but ill conceed my argument as it appears ive been bested. I totally should have known that my ship stats would have been changed, the golem would exist, and t2 prices would be coming down years after constructing one of my ships. What i didnt know is that i apparently feel more strongly about this then the op...and that it seems i litterally am the only one who cared. Space is cold and lonely :) Obviously you can't bring the past or that 500 million isk you spent on those rigs back. But what you can do is take advantage of the opportunities presented now and stop crying about it. If your drunk, that means you're pretty much drunk dialing the forums to cry about how CCP have turned their back on you. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:16:00 - [32] HAHAHAHAH your cnr's got nerfed! So begins the reign of the navy scorps! -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk HAHAHAHAH your cnr's got nerfed! So begins the reign of the navy scorps! The navy scorp comes in with the same nerf already implemented. -------- Ideas for: Mining
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Obsidian Hawk HAHAHAHAH your cnr's got nerfed! So begins the reign of the navy scorps! The navy scorp comes in with the same nerf already implemented. Indeed. The nerf should have come with the CNR as well when they made it. Drunk or not my points are equally as valid. Today one of my ships, tomorrow one of yours. I'm assuming you all will be keeping your mouth shut when that day comes as well. Id also like to reiterate that i'm an abbadon pilot and this isnt my thread...just sticking up for somebody who is likely going to be more negatively affected then I. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:30:00 - [35] Originally by: AccesiViale Today one of my ships, tomorrow one of yours. I own such a vast majority of ships and can fully fit them all. I cannot count the amount of times "My Ship" has been nerfed so i just put it away and play with something else for a while. Adapt or die. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:37:00 - [36] Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 17:38:59 Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: AccesiViale Today one of my ships, tomorrow one of yours. I own such a vast majority of ships and can fully fit them all. I cannot count the amount of times "My Ship" has been nerfed so i just put it away and play with something else for a while. Adapt or die. Well the char your posting with hasnt been around long enough to have had so many ships nerfed you cannot count that high...unless your ability to count has been seriously nerfed as well... So I'll just end with the fact that I will be neither adapting or dying...unless this affects the abbadon as well. edit misread your age: but in that case it must be nice to be able to fly and fit anything...congrats on being old? what about the rest of the people who have given ccp less money? The sky was blue but there was no god.
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:38:00 - [37] Edited by: Jack Airron on 10/10/2009 17:38:31 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Critique my passive-tanked Navy Apoc fit please: Quote: [Apocalypse Navy Issue, passive tank?] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Vespa II x5 Get Out. And to AccesiViale stop ****ing whining and HTFU
AdmiralJohn Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:38:00 - [38] Everybody gets hit with the nerfbat sooner or later, it's just that a majority of them don't make whiney forum posts about how their internet pixels won't be the same. Stop posting.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:43:00 - [39] Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 17:43:30 Originally by: AdmiralJohn Everybody gets hit with the nerfbat sooner or later, it's just that a majority of them don't make whiney forum posts about how their internet pixels won't be the same. Stop posting. 1 shouldnt be the case 2 the vast majority do whine...see the speed change, missile change, titan change, mothership change, ect threads 3 lol...yea ill stop posting...good one and ill htfu when ccp does something useful with my money like working on the game and not making useless music videos. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:44:00 - [40] My passive-shield tanked navy mega! NOOOOOO! CCP, POR QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE????????????????
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:53:00 - [41] Originally by: AccesiViale Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Obsidian Hawk HAHAHAHAH your cnr's got nerfed! So begins the reign of the navy scorps! The navy scorp comes in with the same nerf already implemented. Indeed. The nerf should have come with the CNR as well when they made it. Drunk or not my points are equally as valid. Today one of my ships, tomorrow one of yours. I'm assuming you all will be keeping your mouth shut when that day comes as well. Id also like to reiterate that i'm an abbadon pilot and this isnt my thread...just sticking up for somebody who is likely going to be more negatively affected then I. misses his 5 heavy drone eos -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:57:00 - [42] Technically this is a boost for missionrunners passively tanking the CNR. It might help them realize passive tanking it is suboptimal and start considering valid and viable setups instead. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 737146
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:58:00 - [43] Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 17:43:30 Originally by: AdmiralJohn Everybody gets hit with the nerfbat sooner or later, it's just that a majority of them don't make whiney forum posts about how their internet pixels won't be the same. Stop posting. 1 shouldnt be the case 2 the vast majority do whine...see the speed change, missile change, titan change, mothership change, ect threads 3 lol...yea ill stop posting...good one and ill htfu when ccp does something useful with my money like working on the game and not making useless music videos. it may be your 14.95 but its our 3 million and we think your a ****ing tool.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:03:00 - [44] Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 18:04:40 Originally by: Jack Airron Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 17:43:30 Originally by: AdmiralJohn Everybody gets hit with the nerfbat sooner or later, it's just that a majority of them don't make whiney forum posts about how their internet pixels won't be the same. Stop posting. 1 shouldnt be the case 2 the vast majority do whine...see the speed change, missile change, titan change, mothership change, ect threads 3 lol...yea ill stop posting...good one and ill htfu when ccp does something useful with my money like working on the game and not making useless music videos. it may be your 14.95 but its our 3 million and we think your a ****ing tool. lol...k you win... I got news for you...were both tools arguing about imaginary space ships...welcome to the club. Only some of us can argue with with talking points and other do well...what you did. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:06:00 - [45] Originally by: AccesiViale Originally by: Jack Airron Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 17:43:30 Originally by: AdmiralJohn Everybody gets hit with the nerfbat sooner or later, it's just that a majority of them don't make whiney forum posts about how their internet pixels won't be the same. Stop posting. 1 shouldnt be the case 2 the vast majority do whine...see the speed change, missile change, titan change, mothership change, ect threads 3 lol...yea ill stop posting...good one and ill htfu when ccp does something useful with my money like working on the game and not making useless music videos. it may be your 14.95 but its our 3 million and we think your a ****ing tool. lol...k you win... I got news for you...were both tools arguing about imaginary space ships...welcome to the club. And here we go the status quo of comebacks when you know you have lost to be honest I was expecting something more from you, but I guess im left feeling like your girlfriend sad, disappointed and unsatisfied.
AdmiralJohn Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Jack Airron And here we go the status quo of comebacks when you know you have lost to be honest I was expecting something more from you, but I guess im left feeling like your girlfriend sad, disappointed and unsatisfied. BLAMMO!
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:11:00 - [47] Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 18:15:29 yea wow that was a total burn... ill be honest i cried. feels good when you tell your friends how you totally got me doesnt it. Though that line doesnt really require a good setup. 6/10 So anyway... good points for intelligent debate about the merits of nerfing things for no reason are still welcome. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:13:00 - [48] gives everyone man hugs -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:19:00 - [49] Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 18:15:29 yea wow that was a total burn... ill be honest i cried. feels good when you tell your friends how you totally got me doesnt it. Though that line doesnt really require a good setup. 6/10 So anyway... good points for intelligent debate about the merits of nerfing things for no reason are still welcome. Having a intelligent conversation and whining like a child who didn't get some sweets he wanted are to different things.
sweikewa	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:19:00 - [50] Quote: [Raven Navy Issue, my] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Target Painter II Target Painter II Large Shield Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Flare Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 So why this setup is good ? It's in perfect ballance dps/tank for every lvl 4 if you manage agro. after the nerf it' will be useles....
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Akor Flandres Shut up you girl.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Jack Airron Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 18:15:29 yea wow that was a total burn... ill be honest i cried. feels good when you tell your friends how you totally got me doesnt it. Though that line doesnt really require a good setup. 6/10 So anyway... good points for intelligent debate about the merits of nerfing things for no reason are still welcome. Having a intelligent conversation and whining like a child who didn't get some sweets he wanted are to different things. asking legit questions and looking for answers and reasons for things is what im doing what im getting this far is: htfu insults people who simply disagree that the fit was ever good (which further illustrates my point that there is no reason to change it) adapt or die Still waiting for a good point. If you've got one id love to hear it. The sky was blue but there was no god.

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lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:27:00 - [54] Originally by: AccesiViale So anyway... good points for intelligent debate about the merits of nerfing things for no reason are still welcome. Intelligent debate? I've pointed out the some of reason behind changes, ie. balancing gameplay, change in tactics etc. Yet your 'debate' bit was equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and proceeding to shove your head up your arse while going 'LA LA LA LA LA'. It's not our fault you can't accept change like most other people can. Your response to adapt? 'I'm not going to adapt'. LOL. Tough. Man up and learn to live with it. Or leave. No one cares.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:31:00 - [55] Originally by: lollerwaffle Originally by: AccesiViale So anyway... good points for intelligent debate about the merits of nerfing things for no reason are still welcome. Intelligent debate? I've pointed out the some of reason behind changes, ie. balancing gameplay, change in tactics etc. Yet your 'debate' bit was equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and proceeding to shove your head up your arse while going 'LA LA LA LA LA'. It's not our fault you can't accept change like most other people can. Your response to adapt? 'I'm not going to adapt'. LOL. Tough. Man up and learn to live with it. Or leave. No one cares. there are no reasons for the change. A valid point cannot contain: insults adapt or die your fit was bad in the first place (as it only really illustrates my point that the change is not needed if it was so bad in the first place) The question remains what good will come of this change? The sky was blue but there was no god.
AdmiralJohn Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:43:00 - [56] Originally by: AccesiViale The question remains what good will come of this change? People will get have to creative with fits? Macros in 0.0 will have to have their code re-written? Adapt or die is a valid response, too.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:43:00 - [57] Originally by: AccesiViale The question remains what good will come of this change? People will no longer passive-tank their faction battleships and fit them properly instead. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.10.10 18:45:00 - [58] Navy ships get 50% more hitpoints than the normal T1 versions, yet have the same shield recharge time. This resulted in a increased passive tank with or without specialization of the fit in that tanking. The recharge rate gets now increased to balance out the increased hitpoints. This is the reason why the nerf happens: Game Balance. As I mentioned above in my first post in this thread, they should take into account that shield extenders will have less of an effect for passive tanking and reduce the shield recharge rate appropriately on ships reasonably viable for passive tanking to balance out this reduced effect. -------- Ideas for: Mining
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2009.10.10 19:16:00 - [59] tippia see rule 3 everyone else yea those points arent too bad, minus the adapt or die as it states the obvious and contributes nothing. however fit seems a bit more creative and less used considering that most peoples argument against it is that the fit is a terrible idea. Also if farmers and rmt are actually using this as a means then that would be totally fine with me to remove it. Thanks thus far for the responses The sky was blue but there was no god.
Dario Wall Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Abrazzar Navy ships get 50% more hitpoints than the normal T1 versions, yet have the same shield recharge time. This resulted in a increased passive tank with or without specialization of the fit in that tanking. The recharge rate gets now increased to balance out the increased hitpoints. This is the reason why the nerf happens: Game Balance. This pretty much. Sure they could have changed them ages ago, but players didn't have rigs and such back when CNRs came out, did they? As they introduce new modules and such, they also have to look at how that will affect the current game mechanics. In this case, they decided that the recharge rate on faction ships was not in line with their T1 counterparts. Hence the change. You knew when you signed up for EVE that they could change the game at any time, you knew they didn't have to ask for your permission for it. It's unfortunate for a lot of people that they will not be able to use their faction ships with a passive tank anymore, but it's a decisive CCP made to preserve game balance.
Varesk Gallente Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:28:00 - [61] 1) sell your ship now 2) buy a new one 3) ????? 4) come back to forums in a year when they nerf you new ship and whine. ----- removed due to size.
Altie McName	Posted - 2009.10.10 22:45:00 - [62] Originally by: AccesiViale and ill htfu when ccp does something useful with my money like working on the game and not making useless music videos. It's not your money the second it enters their account, unless you think they're holding it for you If you don't like a mechanic they put in place, either accept it, offer something they overlooked (unlikely), or quit. Otherwise you will just complain on the forums about something that won't be changed. --- CCP wants you to HTFU!
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.10 23:15:00 - [63] Originally by: AccesiViale tippia see rule 3 Does not apply to the question you asked, and which I answered. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.10 23:29:00 - [64] Edited by: Blane Xero on 10/10/2009 23:29:28 What's the purpose? Hmm. What was the point of the Nano Nerf? What was the point of the Shield/Armor EM/EXP resist changes? Balance. What good will come of the change? What good came of the Nano Nerf? What good came from the Shield/Armor EM/EXP resist changes? Balance! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Cadde Gallente FireworX	Posted - 2009.10.11 02:33:00 - [65] I'm sorry for your loss. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.10.11 02:44:00 - [66] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 11/10/2009 02:47:33 Shield tanking is already pretty bad compared to armor tanking. Perhaps they're just trying a new method to make people stop trying it? My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Lawnchair Commando	Posted - 2009.10.11 03:19:00 - [67] Can someone link these new changes especially talking about passive recharge rate relating the drake. I looked on the test server feedback form without luck. Sorry for being a noob.
Haakelen Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.11 03:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Lawnchair Commando Can someone link these new changes especially talking about passive recharge rate relating the drake. I looked on the test server feedback form without luck. Sorry for being a noob. The Drake isn't being changed at all. Originally by: Jack Jombardo CCP love pirate, griffer, and other criminal acters!
Lawnchair Commando	Posted - 2009.10.11 04:29:00 - [69] well then until you are proven wrong otherwise Sweikewa, thanks. I only run a passive drake but that will change to a raven in about two months after I can run a pretty sweet raven setup. -Lawnchair Commando
sweikewa	Posted - 2009.10.11 05:22:00 - [70] Edited by: sweikewa on 11/10/2009 05:23:12 Originally by: Lawnchair Commando well then until you are proven wrong otherwise Sweikewa, thanks. I only run a passive drake but that will change to a raven in about two months after I can run a pretty sweet raven setup. -Lawnchair Commando Grrr.... I didn't said a word about Drake. See the topic "New Downminion CNR." It's About "Raven Navy Issue".
Cadde Gallente FireworX	Posted - 2009.10.11 08:31:00 - [71] Originally by: sweikewa Edited by: sweikewa on 11/10/2009 05:45:58 Edited by: sweikewa on 11/10/2009 05:23:12 Originally by: Lawnchair Commando well then until you are proven wrong otherwise Sweikewa, thanks. I only run a passive drake but that will change to a raven in about two months after I can run a pretty sweet raven setup. -Lawnchair Commando Grrr.... I didn't said a word about Drake. See the topic "New Downminion CNR." It's About "Raven Navy Issue". I think by balancing ccp wants to make shield tanking same as armor tanking. The small recharge rate should be as valuable as the navy megathron shield bufor of 9316 hp.. so it will be balanced if the fight would last 45 min...? If the fight lasts for more than 45 minutes, you both failed... Or are you talking about a mission? If you are talking about a mission then that's just what CCP wanted to nerf. If you are talking about PvP then that's just what CCP wanted to nerf. They have their reasons. Maybe they just thought, passive shield-tanked battleships are unbalanced since they can have missiles/projectiles and a massive tank with little to no cap usage. Win, win? My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.11 08:39:00 - [72] Edited by: Grimpak on 11/10/2009 08:39:28 Originally by: AccesiViale Today one of my ships, tomorrow one of yours. this is why I: a) have all races trained, and am just 15 days away from flying all T2 battleships; b) use a T2 fitted nighthawk for lvl4's, cuz seriously, can it be even more nerfed than it is now? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.10.11 09:42:00 - [73] Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 17:43:30 and ill htfu when ccp does something useful with my money like working on the game and not making useless music videos. Yes because a company of hundreds of people does not need to do fun things to keep up morale. And with YOUR money, how dare they! It's not your money any more, you relinquished the money to them for services rendered (i.e. not future services rendered beyond server uptime for the month you pay for). You have no ownership of it (the money) anymore. As to the "nerf", it makes sense and it is nice to know that there will not be passive tanked Navy BS out there.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.10.11 12:09:00 - [74] The change has pretty much no effect on my but its odd - its not as if Passive tank BS were great tanks. Wherever you went - Here you are.

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