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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:17:00 -
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We all know they are around. A lot hate their guts while others celebrate the bigger picture they bring to the game. If you are against them or not doesn't matter. It's a legitimate enterprise within the sandbox that is Eve and simply something to deal with as it occurs.
Something does astonish me tho. Pro gankers or those who engage in it have this air around them that they view themselves as being better then their victims. Specifically about their knowledge and experience about the game. But when you look at some of the facts about suicide ganking it's just not all that impressive.
Miners (Carebears, people who mainly live in highsec) are being prosecuted for not taking any risks in the game. Making themselves easy targets by ignoring PvP altogether and not knowing or taking the needed precautions to avoid getting popped while mining etc. They don't venture into more riskier undertakings and avoid low, wormholes and null sec almost as a religion.
I think these actions (or lack of them) by miners contribute the biggest part to the "succes" that suicide gankers have. It's actually not the eledged skill that suicide gankers claim to have that contributes the biggest part to their succes but rather the lack of skill and adaptability that miners had.
These days the landscape miners have to immerse themselves into is largely made different by suicide gankers efforts. As a result it takes far more skill to mine succesfully now, then to engage in suicide ganking.
I'm not against suicide ganking at all, dont get me wrong on that. But it just seems to me that anyone engaging in it has taken the place of their victims in being the new Carebears of New Eden.
Suicide ganking is a low skill and low risk trade, takes place in high sec, most are alts making it even less risky. While mining takes more skill training, is riskier these days, takes more experience to pull off and you need to be far more adaptable.
So what astonishes me is that even tho it's FAR more easy to engage in suicide ganking, less risky and all of the above. How can you continue to justify and defend your so called experience and superior knowledge towards "Carebares" by engaging is such almost pathetic strategies to feel better about yourself?
If suicide gankers feel so strongly towards highsec carebears why don't you take more risks? To me all your efforts have only woken up most miners and they have started to adapt. Which in my opinion needed to be done. But the way it's been done only makes suicide gankers look like the new Carebears of the game and has revealed they aren't much different or better then they let off to be.
Would you agree that if miners adapted succesfully to the changes suicide gankers bring on in high sec that their arguments for calling them carebares are invalid and that if suicide gankers continue to engage in this low risk, low skill activity it makes them actually look like more of a carebear then their victims?
I think so. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:18:00 -
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HTFU Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:22:00 -
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Doesn't apply here. Learn how to read mister! When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Lord Zim
782
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:24:00 -
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Carebears physically fear losing their ship. Suicide gankers don't fear losing their ship.
vOv |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:25:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:It's actually not the eledged skill that suicide gankers claim to have that contributes the biggest part to their succes but rather the lack of skill and adaptability that miners had. Has anyone really alleged the opposite?
Quote:How can you continue to justify and defend your so called experience and superior knowledge towards "Carebares" by engaging is such almost pathetic strategies to feel better about yourself? Same here: is anyone actually doing this?
Quote:Would you agree that if miners adapted succesfully to the changes suicide gankers bring on in high sec that their arguments for calling them carebares are invalid and that if suicide gankers continue to engage in this low risk, low skill activity it makes them actually look like more of a carebear then their victims? No, because then it would no longer be a low-risk, low-skill activity. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
695
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:26:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Doesn't apply here. Learn how to read mister!
Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Singoth
Kronos Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:29:00 -
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I don't think you understand what a carebear is. Less yappin', more zappin'! |

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:30:00 -
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You sir, would make a perfect addition to my corporation. Remember, our killboard doesn't speak for the performance of our company nor the satisfaction of our customers. |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:30:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Carebears physically fear losing their ship. Suicide gankers don't fear losing their ship.
vOv
I think a lot of them do actually. How do you account for going in with alts losing ships that are basically worthless to them and as a fact are? When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:33:00 -
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Singoth wrote:I don't think you understand what a carebear is.
Maybe, tho I am implying that it's changing. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:34:00 -
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My take: the Circus is trying to take over the Town.
Even Tigers take a break from the hunt occasionally....you know.....to get some SUN.
The disruption of Industrial Processes towards a focus of constant preparation has turned the MMO with the most creative potential into a boring defensive exercise that is already feeling old and tired.
The EVE Community Page Server Graph illustrates this as does the Daily Average Graph at EVE-Offline.
In the world of online gaming, there are many other Garden Parties happening. Time to go and mix and mingle. Toodles. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
654
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:37:00 -
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For every gank I ever made, I have ten other kills in my records, with most being solo, or at most as part of a group of five or less people.
Your whole wall of text is one big fallacy. Do you really think that gankers only possess that singular capability to blow up barges with destroyers? No, ganking stems from an attitude that can only be cultivated by experiencing the many different interactive facets this game possesses, including industry, combat pvp, and market trading.
On the other hand, the defining trait of a carebear is the monotonous repetition of the cycle of dying, and then whining about it and begging for the game to be changed in favor of unjustified and undeserved safety. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:45:00 -
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OP that is a rather long post just to call someone a name.
Gankers already have a name that depict what they do. So do Miners, mission runners, Traders etc etc etc.
Carebear isn't a name and says nothing. Just like calling someone a PvP'r in game.
They are meaningless as as they are subject to interpretation and can cover a large segment of unrelated players. Carebear and PvP'r can be considered derogatory and a complementary depending on who you are speaking too.
So whatever...
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Lord Zim
782
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:45:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:I think a lot of them do actually. How do you account for going in with alts losing ships that are basically worthless to them and as a fact are? No, it's still a ship loss. Tell carebears to fight back against the -10's, and they'll quickly whine about how they could lose their ship if they tried, no matter how cheap it is.
The price doesn't matter, except to make the loss easier to swallow. They're still going in there knowing they'd lose their ship. |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:51:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:For every gank I ever made, I have ten other kills in my records, with most being solo, or at most as part of a group of five or less people.
Your whole wall of text is one big fallacy. Do you really think that gankers only possess that singular capability to blow up barges with destroyers? No, ganking stems from an attitude that can only be cultivated by experiencing the many different interactive facets this game possesses, including industry, combat pvp, and market trading.
On the other hand, the defining trait of a carebear is the monotonous repetition of the cycle of dying, and then whining about it and begging for the game to be changed in favor of unjustified and undeserved safety.
No I don't think that. But your KB and whatever kills you made solo etc or in a small gang don't do a lot of justice to the skills you have to be able to do that by reverting to something as easy and low risk as suicide ganking carebears for being carebears.
I think you're thinking more of it then it actually is. Which is a common trait among people who engage in it. Just takes a couple of days to skill up for it. To be honest a 10 day old noob engaging in it is a GD hero compared to some skilled null sec player using alts. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:51:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Carebears physically fear losing their ship. Suicide gankers don't fear losing their ship.
vOv
Because their ships are crap. They are "risking" anything.. that buys you nothing.. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:52:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:They are "risking" anything.. that buys you nothing.. Actually, you're right, risk implies there's a chance of getting out of it without losing their ship. What I meant to say it's a certainty. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
227
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:53:00 -
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Singoth wrote:I don't think you understand what a carebear is.
yeah, he's someone who doesn't risk more than he can afford to lose.....hmmm. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7837
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:56:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:I think you're thinking more of it then it actually is. Which is a common trait among people who engage in it. Just takes a couple of days to skill up for it. No, it takes a fair bit longer than that.
Barbara Nichole wrote:Singoth wrote:I don't think you understand what a carebear is. yeah, he's someone who doesn't risk more than he can afford to lose.....hmmm. No. It's someone who refuses to even risk that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:I think a lot of them do actually. How do you account for going in with alts losing ships that are basically worthless to them and as a fact are? No, it's still a ship loss. Tell carebears to fight back against the -10's, and they'll quickly whine about how they could lose their ship if they tried, no matter how cheap it is. The price doesn't matter, except to make the loss easier to swallow. They're still going in there knowing they'd lose their ship, whereas most carebears start blubbering uncontrollably when the topic of "engaging another player" comes up.
Whenever the risks go up and they'd have to pull some more weight pulling a gank of they seem to drop the ball and go for an easier kill. Which makes sence but shows a weak resolve. Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Brorr Liason
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe Pendulum of Doom
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:59:00 -
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Posting in 1 of 10,000 'Let's analyze and interpret gankers' thread. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7837
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:01:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims. GǪand the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lord Zim
783
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:01:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Whenever the risks go up and they'd have to pull some more weight pulling a gank of they seem to drop the ball and go for an easier kill. Which makes sence but shows a weak resolve. Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims. So you're going for the "weak resolve" defense, now? |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
654
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:01:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:For every gank I ever made, I have ten other kills in my records, with most being solo, or at most as part of a group of five or less people.
Your whole wall of text is one big fallacy. Do you really think that gankers only possess that singular capability to blow up barges with destroyers? No, ganking stems from an attitude that can only be cultivated by experiencing the many different interactive facets this game possesses, including industry, combat pvp, and market trading.
On the other hand, the defining trait of a carebear is the monotonous repetition of the cycle of dying, and then whining about it and begging for the game to be changed in favor of unjustified and undeserved safety. No I don't think that. But your KB and whatever kills you made solo etc or in a small gang don't do a lot of justice to the skills you have to be able to do that by reverting to something as easy and low risk as suicide ganking carebears for being carebears. I think you're thinking more of it then it actually is. Which is a common trait among people who engage in it. Just takes a couple of days to skill up for it. To be honest a 10 day old noob engaging in it is a GD hero compared to some skilled null sec player using alts. You're making it seem like ganking reverts all other accomplishments a player might have. That is ridiculous. People don't gank because they seek an easier experience after being stressed out by what you would define as "real" EVE activities; people gank because it's simply an activity they find enjoyable, for whatever reasons they might have, or because it's profitable.
If you've never ganked yourself, you will never understand this. You'll simply continue to post opinionated psychoanalytical babble without realizing how ignorant it makes you sound. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims. GǪand the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about?
You try to make good points but it's not actually said anywhere. But that indication is given in tens of thousands of posts on this forum. Overall suicide gankers do give off an air of feeling superior towards their victims. Specially when the tears come as it's said. To me suicide ganking doesnt do justice to those indications on the forums and makes those who participate in it, by those actions alone, look like carebears in my oppinion. Despite of their experience and skills. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:11:00 -
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Now that I think about it.
If you where a carebear the last thing you would want to be associated with you is a ganker. So I doubt they even want them.
Then again, I don't think PvP'rs like them very much either, use yes, like no.
So I guess if you had to go down your line of thought, nobody wants the gankers in their group.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:19:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Tippia wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims. GǪand the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about? You try to make good points but it's not actually said anywhere. But that indication is given in tens of thousands of posts on this forum. Overall suicide gankers do give off an air of feeling superior towards their victims. Specially when the tears come as it's said. To me suicide ganking doesnt do justice to those indications on the forums and makes those who participate in it, by those actions alone, look like carebears in my oppinion. Despite of their experience and skills.
Most of the gankers inform their victims how to not be victims and try to convince them to adapt to their tactics. The victims usually don't like the advice....we usually hear a response that sounds almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.
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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:22:00 -
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Quote:You're making it seem like ganking reverts all other accomplishments a player might have. That is ridiculous. If that is what you think I am implying then you have not understood. Or I didn't communicate it that well.
What I am saying is that, based on the large amounts of posts on this forum largely by suicide gankers that hint to their awesomeness over their victims from tears they have dropped on their recent losses. I'm simply implying based on my interpretation that it does not do justice to their own hints of awesomeness and that by those action alone they actually become what they claim to despise regardless of their true motivations and other accomplishments. Even if those other accomplishments claim or prove otherwise. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:26:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:[quote=Aldeskwatso][quote=Tippia][quote=Aldeskwatso]
Most of the gankers inform their victims how to not be victims and try to convince them to adapt to their tactics. The victims usually don't like the advice....we usually hear a response that sounds almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.
Ya, I know a few who do that. It "redeems" the act. The ganker had it's fun and the victim "hopefully" learned something from it. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:30:00 -
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There's always plenty of advice thrown in with every tears thread on the forum. I should know, I browse and spam when I should be working. |
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