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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
100
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:54:00 -
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Suicide ganking = Removing apathy from the game Suicide Ganking = Drive up market values
if someone was thinking it was about something else, they missed about 100000 memos
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7841
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:54:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Now there is an assumption if I ever saw one. I wonder, what do you think I actually think on this subject? I think that you think that gankers, GÇ£by those actions alone, look like carebearsGÇ¥. The problem is that the actions you're referring to are made up by you and based on your assumptions. I'm not assuming anything GÇö I'm looking at the lack of proof you have for the claims you make about what gankers say and do.
Quote:Actually, why can't you give a straight awnser and elaborate on that instead of trying to debunk my reasoning which is based on my own observations and experience. Because your reasoning doesn't seem to be on very good footing, but rather seems to be a strawman argument. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
91
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:59:00 -
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I am a suicide ganker AND a carebear. Whatever is to become of me??? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
776
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:00:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:I am a suicide ganker AND a carebear. Whatever is to become of me??? Total protonic reversal. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
88
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:12:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote: Overall suicide gankers do give off an air of feeling superior towards their victims.
90% of people think they're smarter than average.
Considering yourself superior to others is something every group does. Gankers, miners, industrialists, mission runners, people in all security sections, soloers, people in corporations - the attitude you're complaining about comes from every type of player in EVE. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
90
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:42:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:....we usually hear a response that sounds almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.
Beautiful women (and ugly women, and ugly dudes) have the right to walk down the street at night and not be a victim. I'm not sure what country you're in, but in mine, attacking another person is illegal. Even if they're wearing a bikini and it's night time.
While I'm at it, did you notice your analogy boils down to 'gankers are like rapists'?
If your intent was to defend ganking, I'd suggest that's not the best argument. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Ivoto
Root.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:02:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Carebears physically fear
Fear isnt a physical thing. Its mental. Genius. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7841
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:07:00 -
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Ivoto wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Carebears physically fear Fear isnt a physical thing. GǪaside from the physical effects that accompany it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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MasterEnt
MGroup9
83
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:11:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:so many words to cry about suicide gankers...
Anything that bring down the quality of eve is something to cry about. Whatever happen to empire building. Didnt start this game to play with a bunch of pu$$ys killing mining ships |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
74
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:12:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:....we usually hear a response that sounds almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.
Beautiful women (and ugly women, and ugly dudes) have the right to walk down the street at night and not be a victim. I'm not sure what country you're in, but in mine, attacking another person is illegal. Even if they're wearing a bikini and it's night time. While I'm at it, did you notice your analogy boils down to 'gankers are like rapists'? If your intent was to defend ganking, I'd suggest that's not the best argument.
This argument was covered between me and Tippia a few pages back. The illegality of it doesn't make it not happen, which is why I believe the right doesn't really exist. The whole point was supposed to be that you shouldn't rely on a right to keep you safe, because it won't. So if you're smart, you do everything you can within reason to lessen the odds that you will become a target or victim. |
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:14:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Carebears physically fear losing their ship. Suicide gankers don't fear losing their ship.
vOv
But why then, do they carry on about risk? Risk and fear go hand in hand. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7841
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:14:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:Anything that bring down the quality of eve is something to cry about. Well, that certainly explains the crying about miners who want to change the game for no good reason.
Quote:Whatever happen to empire building. Still there.
Quote:Didnt start this game to play with a bunch of pu$$ys killing mining ships So don't.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
780
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:15:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:Liliana Rahl wrote:so many words to cry about suicide gankers... Anything that bring down the quality of eve is something to cry about. Whatever happen to empire building. Didnt start this game to play with a bunch of pu$$ys killing mining ships People building their empires don't want you to. You are their competition.
Crappy strategies employed in flimsy ships by people who don't want to put in effort almost do our work for us.
There are ways miners can mine and not be ganked.
Because these strategies exist, suicide gankers actually do improve the quality of Eve. They do this by demonstrating beyond a reasonable doubt that fail strategy is fail in Eve Online.
Miners just won't put forth the :effort: so they get what's coming to them. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1726
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:It's not risky PVP, it's buy low, sell high. GǪwhich in itself is risky PvP, since the buying and selling are both PvP and since there are risks involved that may remove those GǣlowGǥ and GǣhighGǥ parts. I'm not sure how *some* of it can be called risky.
A while back I bought a rare antique book at an estate sale for $4. The market value on that book was estimated at over $500. Even if I get 10% of that, I make a profit. The risk of losing money on that investment is so low that it was never a consideration. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7842
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:48:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I'm not sure how *some* of it can be called risky. Because the random factors may mean that the cost is much higher than you expect, and that the stuff you can sell is worth much less (or might not even exist at all).
Quote:A while back I bought a rare antique book at an estate sale for $4. The market value on that book was estimated at over $500. Even if I get 10% of that, I make a profit. The risk of losing money on that investment is so low that it was never a consideration. Did the book have a 50% chance of exploding the moment you tried to pick it up?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
380
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:54:00 -
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comon tippia we all know the that profit for killing hulks goes right into the hands of the people who make the ships and isk fauset the items for ship production...
that is why they pay the isk for hulkageddon... the risk the ganker takes is nothing in comparison with the sick twisted feeling they get and smile when they kill a mining ship... so if its tanked and you just lost 2.5 milliion isk with out a kill is not really risk...
i play in 0.0 all the time and if i am not carefull i can loose 100 m + in just one fail jump... now that is risk...
killing a hulk is not risk... flying a hulk in high sec is mega risk atm...
and you and i both know it... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH III MINING SHIPS!
TECH III BATLESHIPS!!! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Aldeskwatso]No. It's someone who refuses to even risk that.
What you gankers do after every gank? Hide in complete safety of station.
Hek, even can flippers run away if there's even a small chance they lose their ship. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
90
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:58:00 -
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Ivoto wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Carebears physically fear Fear isnt a physical thing. Its mental. Genius. The mental is physical. Lose your amygdala and you'll never feel fear again. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
29
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:Now there is an assumption if I ever saw one. I wonder, what do you think I actually think on this subject? I think that you think that gankers, GÇ£by those actions alone, look like carebearsGÇ¥. The problem is that the actions you're referring to are made up by you and based on your assumptions. I'm not assuming anything GÇö I'm looking at the lack of proof you have for the claims you make about what gankers say and do. Quote:Actually, why can't you give a straight awnser and elaborate on that instead of trying to debunk my reasoning which is based on my own observations and experience. Because your reasoning doesn't seem to be on very good footing, but rather seems to be a strawman argument.
If you understood what you just posted here you'd know what I meant and didn't post this in the first place.
I got just this. People can have different interpretations about identical experiences. They are essentially both neither wrong or right due to that they are imprinted within a personal context from which past experiences dictate how those experience are ultimatly interpreted and acted uppon. A whole debate about if my reasoning is right or wrong or if you agree or disagree is pointless. I'm just curious if other people share my point of view. Some appear to do so, other partially and some don't.
You are fixating so much on how my point of view came to be and missing what the actual point of view is. Or you don't care which makes you an evil troll...!!!
Anyway, Donny! You're out of you element! When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7842
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:06:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:comon tippia we all know the that profit for killing hulks goes right into the hands of the people who make the ships and isk fauset the items for ship production. Yes? And? That doesn't change the risk for the ganker or alter Floppie's GÇ£PvP as buy low, sell highGÇ¥ scenario GÇö it just explains why the goons launched HGGêP.
Quote:killing a hulk is not risk... flying a hulk in high sec is mega risk atm. Killing a Hulk is the same risk as killing anything else in highsec. Flying a Hulk is the same risk as flying any other popular target. Both risks can be mitigated.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:What you gankers do after every gank? No idea. Why do you ask me?
Quote:Hek, even can flippers run away if there's even a small chance they lose their ship. I live in The Citadel, so I have no idea what goes on in Hek. And yes? So what? They're managing and mitigating their risk. That's pretty much the final proof that the risk is there, and that they're not refusing to risk those ships. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:They're managing and mitigating their risk. That's pretty much the final proof that the risk is there, and that they're not refusing to risk those ships.
Incorrect. That only means they are low skilled players who don't have what it takes to fight. |
baltec1
1419
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
Hek, even can flippers run away if there's even a small chance they lose their ship.
I live in The Citadel, so I have no idea what goes on in Hek. And yes? So what? They're managing and mitigating their risk. That's pretty much the final proof that the risk is there, and that they're not refusing to risk those ships.
I just flipped a can and engaged a drake in an Iteron V.
It was a draw. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7842
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:15:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:You are fixating so much on how my point of view came to be and missing what the actual point of view is. No. I am wondering what you have to support your point of view. It doesn't seem to be much aside assumptions about gankers' motivations and reasoning.
Your assertions look like strawman arguments, and your question born from these assertions seems completely academic because it has no connection to the realities of the situation you're asking about.
Basically, you're asking GÇ£what if cars were made from balloon animals, wouldn't that mean that hedgehogs are the largest menace to highway traffic?GÇ¥ except you're skipping the GÇ£what ifGÇ¥ part and going with the assumption that they are and then claim hedgehogs are really really horrible. I'm asking you why on earth you'd think that cars would be built from balloon animals.
And no, it's not about experience or interpretation GÇö you are making some very explicit claims about what people say and do, and I'm asking you to back those claims up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
380
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
Hek, even can flippers run away if there's even a small chance they lose their ship.
I live in The Citadel, so I have no idea what goes on in Hek. And yes? So what? They're managing and mitigating their risk. That's pretty much the final proof that the risk is there, and that they're not refusing to risk those ships. I just flipped a can and engaged a drake in an Iteron V. It was a draw.
i have seen this before thought the quote was not from me... just a lousy copy and paste effort...
you killed his drones first so he could no longer kill you but he is purger setup so you did not have enough dps to break tank?
i remember once trying to save a pve drake in scalding pass that was purger fit... i was attacked by three ships that could not break my tank and i could not keep them still due to the fact i could not refit as i had no station rights...
was rather funny after 15 min they gave up and let me pass lol...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH III MINING SHIPS!
TECH III BATLESHIPS!!! |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
42
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:20:00 -
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Tippia? More like Tippiowned, amirite?
Hi5s.
Hi5s for everyone. |
baltec1
1419
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:23:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
Hek, even can flippers run away if there's even a small chance they lose their ship.
I live in The Citadel, so I have no idea what goes on in Hek. And yes? So what? They're managing and mitigating their risk. That's pretty much the final proof that the risk is there, and that they're not refusing to risk those ships. I just flipped a can and engaged a drake in an Iteron V. It was a draw. i have seen this before thought the quote was not from me... just a lousy copy and paste effort... you killed his drones first so he could no longer kill you but he is purger setup so you did not have enough dps to break tank? i remember once trying to save a pve drake in scalding pass that was purger fit... i was attacked by three ships that could not break my tank and i could not keep them still due to the fact i could not refit as i had no station rights... was rather funny after 15 min they gave up and let me pass lol...
Yea drakes are hard to kill with only a single small gun. I have taken down a battleship before though, took me 30 min :D |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:24:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:Tippia? More like Tippiowned, amirite?
I think Drop is better.
Tippia -> Tippa -> Drop |
Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
29
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:You are fixating so much on how my point of view came to be and missing what the actual point of view is. No. I am wondering what you have to support your point of view. It doesn't seem to be much aside assumptions about gankers' motivations and reasoning. Your assertions look like strawman arguments, and your question born from these assertions seems completely academic because it has no connection to the realities of the situation you're asking about. Basically, you're asking GÇ£what if cars were made from balloon animals, wouldn't that mean that hedgehogs are the largest menace to highway traffic?GÇ¥ except you're skipping the GÇ£what ifGÇ¥ part and going with the assumption that they are and then claim hedgehogs are really really horrible. I'm asking you why on earth you'd think that cars would be built from balloon animals. And no, it's not about experience or interpretation GÇö you are making some very explicit claims about what people say and do, and I'm asking you to back those claims up.
For arguments sake lets assume for now I have actually logged my conversations, video footage of my experiences including comment, care about making the effort to back up my empty claims and believe I have unwavering faith in my salvation if you would agree with me and I actually manage to convince you of what ever you think I'm trying to convince you of.
Then what? It would still actually be insignificant and meaningless being the oppinion of one person. Just you.
It's possible to find enough evidence to back up my claims on this forum. Do it yourself tho. To much effort for to little gain.
Besides, skipping the "what if"? You should read back a little. It's there. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Arcturis Achasse
World Forge Industries Engineers of Fate
0
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:03:00 -
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I just read this whole thread from beginning to finish.
And i have come to a huge conclusion
Tippa (or whatever the **** her name is) drew all attention away from the original topic at every opportunity, drawing attention to how OP started his argument and how other people posting on this thread are misinterpreting words and ideals.
For my conclusion i would like to state that Tippa is the scum of the universe\
A Politician.
Also suicide gankers suck |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:10:00 -
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Arcturis Achasse wrote:Also suicide gankers suck
I wouldn't say that, but a bit boring. Also nowhere to be found. |
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