What I am saying is that, based on the large amounts of posts on this forum largely by suicide gankers that hint to their awesomeness over their victims from tears they have dropped on their recent losses.

I'm simply implying based on my interpretation that it does not do justice to their own hints of awesomeness and that by those action alone they actually become what they claim to despise regardless of their true motivations and other accomplishments. Even if those other accomplishments claim or prove otherwise.

.. celebrate the bigger picture....

......almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.

Stopped there, the "bigger picture" is bullshit self justification for picking on the weakest players in the game, if these players had any balls they would be in low, wh or null.

Are you saying you think a women dressed like that deserves to be attacked? Interesting . Personaly I think a women wearing anything they like is not an open invetation to be raped under any circumstances but thats just me.

HTFU

You're making it sound like most ganking isn't done by the alts of low, wh, and null players.

You try to make good points but it's not actually said anywhere.

To me suicide ganking doesnt do justice to those indications on the forums and makes those who participate in it, by those actions alone, look like carebears in my oppinion.

Suicide gankers have, in a twist of brilliant irony, set themselves up in a position very similar to that which miners occupy - that of an utterly indispensible part of EVE Online's culture and the guardians of its future.

question remains: does anyone actually claim this, or are you just employing the same fallacy as the OP?

So your entire OP is basically a big strawman.

Then you need to check your definition of GÇ£carebearGÇ¥ because it doesn't make much sense. You also need to dump those assumptions, because that's what's tripping you up.

GǪand the question remains: does anyone actually claim this, or are you just employing the same fallacy as the OP?


Oh, and Kijo, you need to look up the word GÇ£rightGÇ¥. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Tripping me up?! I'm just asking if people would agree if suicide gankers would be the new carebears or not if miners adapt and gankers don't and keep looking for the easy poppings to be made instead of actually rising to a challenge set by adapting miners.

Oh, and Kijo, you need to look up the word GÇ£rightGÇ¥. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

I think these actions (or lack of them) by miners contribute the biggest part to the "succes" that suicide gankers have. It's actually not the eledged skill that suicide gankers claim to have that contributes the biggest part to their succes but rather the lack of skill and adaptability that miners had.

Suicide ganking is a low skill and low risk trade, takes place in high sec, most are alts making it even less risky. While mining takes more skill training, is riskier these days, takes more experience to pull off and you need to be far more adaptable.

Tripping me up?!

Lets just agree to disagree and quit the analytical on this.

Have you not read James 315's 18-post spiel.

It's the opposite of left, right?

No. Don't try to be cute. IRL, everyone has the right not to be a victim. The clothing is utterly and completely irrelevant to the existence of this right.

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The problem with your comparison is that it, in turn, is completely irrelevant to the virtual world of EVE. The right that exists in real life does not exist in EVE. The only universal right you have in this game is to undock and log out. It's an idiotic comparison and you should not use it. I know miners are very fond of trying to claim that rape as innocent an activity as playing a game, but that just means you shouldn't lower yourself to their level of idiocy and employ their braindead and despicable logic.

Instead, you should explain to them that they are playing a game and that they have different rights in this world than they have in the real one. You should then report them for hate-mongering.

How do you provide rights for something our society cannot possibly prevent or control other than through our own self protecting measures?

I think the comparison is spot on

I don't consider trolls arguments, so the question remains.
At best, I'd consider it a caricature of the kind of self-righteously indignant tirades carebear miners tend to vomit out when you explain to them that they aren't particularly necessary for EVE. If they read his post and realise the silliness of the whole concept, then he's done a good job.

By proclaiming it a right. That is really all that is needed.

GǪaside from the right not to be a victim existing in real life and not in EVE.

This doesn't change the fact that the miners need to stop making themselves victims by actively choosing to make themselves the easiest targets imaginable (in close competition with the rocks they're trageting, but given the GÇ£onoz, it's crowdedGÇ¥-whines that pop up every now and then, the rocks sure seem more difficult). But that's just it: there's a difference between the game GÇö where making that choice, actively or passively, is just yet another decision in how you want to approach the world GÇö and real life GÇö where the passive right not to be victim exists.

GǪthe comparison is even more flawed since you don't have the right to walk down the street dressed however you like, but this is a completely separate issue to your right not to be a victim of crime.

Oh, and Kijo, you need to look up the word GÇ£rightGÇ¥. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Because their ships are crap. They aren't "risking" anything.. that buys you nothing..

Suicide gankers don't fear losing their ship.

It's not risky PVP, it's buy low, sell high.

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Your interpretation is based on stuff you just made up. It has no substance.
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