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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
164
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:08:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong.
Goonswam is known for its excellent solo pvp, so this confuses me. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
347
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:13:00 -
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Jeez, what fun to see Gunpoint Diplomacy crying on the forums. Why don't you just gank a few more mackinaws in Teon? You'll be able to afford the war with the big newbie alliance you want to fight. |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1830
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:35:00 -
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Sorry Mr. Croc, but as I mentioned last night, if you had mentioned this issue with the EW and "5 vs 50" before the invitation to your home system, I may have been able to do something about it.
Once the invitation has been rescinded, I'm sure you'll see less of the students around, and they may even be open to smaller engagements, perhaps not at gates or stations? Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
21
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:37:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong.
Fight 1
Fight 2
Fight 3
The battle reports are bugged - the above is about 6 different engagements. If you check our losses - generally the highest damage was from gate/station guns.
Mr Harari has already commented on the level of small gang pvp goonswarm are known for so i'll not comment further
Ban Bindy wrote:Jeez, what fun to see Gunpoint Diplomacy crying on the forums. Why don't you just gank a few more mackinaws in Teon? You'll be able to afford the war with the big newbie alliance you want to fight.
We can afford the war - that is not the issue. The issue is the cost is excessive. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1421
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:47:00 -
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Cavel Avada wrote:I see this as working as intended. War is an expensive prospect. 10-man corps should not be able to cheaply wardec a corp 10x their size. It's just unrealistic.
no, unrealistic is paying a fee above your actual war materials expenses.
How much did Germany pay to wardec Poland?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:54:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote:La Nariz wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:
We live in low sec. Generally we do not bother with war dec's as we are not bothered about being -10. The reason we have dec'd the alliance in question is because they fight with little skill but in large numbers. Generally we are engaging 5vs50.
Note they also expect us to take gcc and will not engage unless they have more ECM boats then we have ships.
If you're all -10 and in low sec then why are you whining about wardecs? Gate/station guns can't possibly be that much of a problem to warrant a wardec. It sounds like you need to recruit more people and escalate the situation if you want to deal with them or go fight someone else that you can handle. Instead of whining about wardec fees. I have very quickly checked your killboard and noticed you are an amateur. I will however entertain your troll by offering a response: 5 vs 50? Yes gate guns are an issue. Tool.
Yes because telling you to stop whining about wardec fees instead of actively working to improve your situation via already available in-game mechanics is trolling. You are no different from the miners that whine for a change from CCP so they don't have to actually think about fitting their hulks and instead can just always fit for max yield. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:56:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Cavel Avada wrote:I see this as working as intended. War is an expensive prospect. 10-man corps should not be able to cheaply wardec a corp 10x their size. It's just unrealistic. no, unrealistic is paying a fee above your actual war materials expenses. How much did Germany pay to wardec Poland?
In EVE we have an effective law enforcement called CONCORD, which luckly doesn't resembles the UN, which anyway wasn't created yet by the time of the WWII. So can we please leave the ***** out of EVE now? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:56:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong. Goonswam is known for its excellent solo pvp, so this confuses me.
Bahahahahahahahaahahahahahhahhahhaahhahha , that was good do another one. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:59:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Cavel Avada wrote:I see this as working as intended. War is an expensive prospect. 10-man corps should not be able to cheaply wardec a corp 10x their size. It's just unrealistic. no, unrealistic is paying a fee above your actual war materials expenses. How much did Germany pay to wardec Poland?
500,000,000.00 isk. |
Russell Casey
One Ton
147
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:04:00 -
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Pahah Pahineh wrote:The only thing it should cost to declare war is the cost of the gun, the bullets and the pen and paper you write the declaration on.
If CCP have managed to kill tactical mobster wars in hisec, you can absolutely be sure they did it on purpose to protect the interest of large alliances who are tired of having to deal with unsafe practices in what they feel should be safe space areas.
You also gotta remember that, despite what they say about "Sandbox this and Sandbox that" CCP does have a plan for EVE, which involves large alliances fighting over territory and economc control in big epic fleet battles that make nice recruiting tools. The war dec system was put in place to let them continue their fight in highsec and that it became a gang-banger tool was pure happenstance and didn't follow said plan. |
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Haulie Berry
201
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:16:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote: 300m a week wtf
Is this really all that much for even a small corp? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:20:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Sadly it is working as intended. Many of us tried to give insight on how it would kill small gang warfare but sadly nothing was changed other than it costing us an arm and a leg and the defender can bring even more targets on the table for us.
Unless you are a market guru or love purchasing plex's, small man is dead.
What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. |
Miranda Etxebarria
Transgalactic Imports and Exports
8
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:02:00 -
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500 ISK sent.
It always pains me to see abject poverty killing people's ambitions. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1026
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Posted - 2012.06.13 18:02:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Sadly it is working as intended. Many of us tried to give insight on how it would kill small gang warfare but sadly nothing was changed other than it costing us an arm and a leg and the defender can bring even more targets on the table for us.
Unless you are a market guru or love purchasing plex's, small man is dead. What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. Lowsec pirates caught them on the gate from highsec doubtless. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1424
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Posted - 2012.06.13 18:11:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Sadly it is working as intended. Many of us tried to give insight on how it would kill small gang warfare but sadly nothing was changed other than it costing us an arm and a leg and the defender can bring even more targets on the table for us.
Unless you are a market guru or love purchasing plex's, small man is dead. What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find.
go spend a day hunting for targets in syndicate
your pvp choices are:
crash 20+ man fleets into each other camp gates in the hope that a single ship or small gang (chuckle) comes through play endless station games with null bears with supercaps bait -n- blop people like you who think that small gang warfare is thriving in null
the only small gangs we see down there are out of towners and bait fleets The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
485
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Posted - 2012.06.13 18:39:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. Don't want to provide targets for hot-drops (or cold drops or even medium drops) probably. Also - people probably have no wish to provide "content" for bored 0.0 corps...
You know there's something fundamentally wrong when the only way people can think of to promote the "best" part of the game is to make everything else suck more. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:15:00 -
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Morganta wrote:La Nariz wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Sadly it is working as intended. Many of us tried to give insight on how it would kill small gang warfare but sadly nothing was changed other than it costing us an arm and a leg and the defender can bring even more targets on the table for us.
Unless you are a market guru or love purchasing plex's, small man is dead. What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. go spend a day hunting for targets in syndicate your pvp choices are: crash 20+ man fleets into each other camp gates in the hope that a single ship or small gang (chuckle) comes through play endless station games with null bears with supercaps bait -n- blop people like you who think that small gang warfare is thriving in null the only small gangs we see down there are out of towners and bait fleets
I've done plenty of small gang in Syndicate its not that hard to find targets it just takes patience. Also you do know you aren't just restricted to Syndicate right. You can go to Providence and Delve which both have lots of targets. You're choosing to play station games in nullsec which is just plain stupid. If you're dumb enough to fall for drops then well I guess you are the victim of natural selection.
E: Can't forget -A- renter space they make good targets too.
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Don't want to provide targets for hot-drops (or cold drops or even medium drops) probably. Also - people probably have no wish to provide "content" for bored 0.0 corps...
It sounds like you ~elite~ high sec pvpers are just whining about having to do things differently. Gee now doesn't that sound like the same old song the high sec miners sing maybe you all need better coping skills. Maybe CCP should require high sec dwellers to take a coping skills training mission. |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:32:00 -
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Since a war dec is essentially a bribe to Concord to look the other way, lore-wise it makes no sense not to overcharge big corps, unless of course you believe in a noble corrupt official who won't take advantage of someone who can pay more out of a sense of....something. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
486
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:53:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:It sounds like you ~elite~ high sec pvpers are just whining about having to do things differently. Gee now doesn't that sound like the same old song the high sec miners sing maybe you all need better coping skills. Maybe CCP should require high sec dwellers to take a coping skills training mission. Maybe you should take "background check" for level one... I haven't lived in hi-sec in 3 years...
But keep swinging for the fences cutie...
You know there's something fundamentally wrong when the only way people can think of to promote the "best" part of the game is to make everything else suck more. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1425
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:58:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Morganta wrote:La Nariz wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Sadly it is working as intended. Many of us tried to give insight on how it would kill small gang warfare but sadly nothing was changed other than it costing us an arm and a leg and the defender can bring even more targets on the table for us.
Unless you are a market guru or love purchasing plex's, small man is dead. What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. go spend a day hunting for targets in syndicate your pvp choices are: crash 20+ man fleets into each other camp gates in the hope that a single ship or small gang (chuckle) comes through play endless station games with null bears with supercaps bait -n- blop people like you who think that small gang warfare is thriving in null the only small gangs we see down there are out of towners and bait fleets I've done plenty of small gang in Syndicate its not that hard to find targets it just takes patience. Also you do know you aren't just restricted to Syndicate right. You can go to Providence and Delve which both have lots of targets. You're choosing to play station games in nullsec which is just plain stupid. If you're dumb enough to fall for drops then well I guess you are the victim of natural selection. E: Can't forget -A- renter space they make good targets too. Asuri Kinnes wrote:Don't want to provide targets for hot-drops (or cold drops or even medium drops) probably. Also - people probably have no wish to provide "content" for bored 0.0 corps... It sounds like you ~elite~ high sec pvpers are just whining about having to do things differently. Gee now doesn't that sound like the same old song the high sec miners sing maybe you all need better coping skills. Maybe CCP should require high sec dwellers to take a coping skills training mission.
**** sakes CCP... even your damn draft thing isn't working right now The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:18:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong. Fight 1Fight 2Fight 3The battle reports are bugged - the above is about 6 different engagements. If you check our losses - generally the highest damage was from gate/station guns. Mr Harari has already commented on the level of small gang pvp goonswarm are known for so i'll not comment further Ban Bindy wrote:Jeez, what fun to see Gunpoint Diplomacy crying on the forums. Why don't you just gank a few more mackinaws in Teon? You'll be able to afford the war with the big newbie alliance you want to fight. We can afford the war - that is not the issue. The issue is the cost is excessive. Shockingly, among those thousands of members, a few of us solo. This is clearly shocking. In other news, engaging on stations and gates with guns will cost you ships. This is apparently news to a super pvp setup like Gunpoint. Good job guys. Does the fact that I've never lost a ship to gate guns or station guns at any point that I remember make me somehow better at lowsec pvp than your whole corp/alliance/hugbox? If so I'm very sorry. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:22:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:La Nariz wrote:What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. Don't want to provide targets for hot-drops (or cold drops or even medium drops) probably. Also - people probably have no wish to provide "content" for bored 0.0 corps... That's a pretty funny way of phrasing "we don't like getting shot at" |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1027
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:34:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:La Nariz wrote:What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find. Don't want to provide targets for hot-drops (or cold drops or even medium drops) probably. Also - people probably have no wish to provide "content" for bored 0.0 corps... That's a pretty funny way of phrasing "we don't like getting shot at" Being shot at is content for the shooter, not the target, after all Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:41:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:The war dec system was put in place to let them continue their fight in highsec and that it became a gang-banger tool was pure happenstance and didn't follow said plan.
Citation needed. |
xxxAlloxxx
Gunpoint Diplomacy
30
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:04:00 -
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First and foremost I have found this thread.....
2nd To all the leet pvp'er Goon's and test that troll this forum
3.) My esteemed colleague makes an excellent point on the topic of the cost of war dec's. As our killboard will show, before and after the war dec went live we have been easily handling euni fleets of 40-70 with 5-8 man gangs. We in no way want euni to leave or reduce there fleet size or ecm use-age as this would be detrimental to the steady stream of pvp we have been getting right next to where we live. In fact we are a corp with 98% -10 so we are not after any high sec assets at all or any structures at all, we simply want a target rich environment
Which I would love to thank Mr. Kelduum for providing us. But I digress, the main point is the cost of the war. Yes it is overly expensive and yes the big alliances with there CSM chairmen have maneuvered it such that they have all the control in the game now (Tin hat on). We here at Gunpoint endorse and support those 10-30 man corps who are looking to take on 2300 man alliances and have a blast doing it with no regard for loss of ship.
Now I leave you with some quotes from a convo we had with Mr. Kelduum.
2012.06.12 19:08:30 ] Kelduum Revaan > hey Crafty n++[ 2012.06.12 19:08:30 ] CraftyCroc > i was being a diplomate with my cat
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:08:51 ] CraftyCroc > Mr Revaan, I understand you are the man with whom one should discuss things n++[ 2012.06.12 19:09:40 ] CraftyCroc > I assume you are now aware n++[ 2012.06.12 19:09:43 ] CraftyCroc > that we have dec'd you ? n++[ 2012.06.12 19:09:51 ] Kelduum Revaan > Crafty, as I was telling Masty, we're going to be brining most of the Uni to come see you guys n++[ 2012.06.12 19:09:57 ] CraftyCroc > Brilliant
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:08 ] Kelduum Revaan > if/when the war ends, it'll just be the LSC guys again n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:25 ] CraftyCroc > Are you willing to discuss terms yet for your surrender?
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:28 ] masty > i was tryin to say the uni could learn a lot from us n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:33 ] masty > we could be just fc's n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:37 ] Kelduum Revaan > the Uni members probably could really n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:50 ] masty > i believe crafty has lots of medals on your kb n++[ 2012.06.12 19:10:58 ] Kelduum Revaan > cant really have you guys FCing, but yea, you could do some guest stuff n++[ 2012.06.12 19:11:07 ] CraftyCroc > I have already requested this Kelduum n++[ 2012.06.12 19:11:13 ] CraftyCroc > I spoke with Bob ?
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:12:00 ] CraftyCroc > to show them that ecm is not necessary n++[ 2012.06.12 19:12:18 ] Kelduum Revaan > you guys wardecced us, so we have to come fight you, especially after we left Space P0lice to their war n++[ 2012.06.12 19:12:24 ] masty > yes we have been doing ok mitigating the blackbird threat n++[ 2012.06.12 19:12:30 ] Kelduum Revaan > ECM is annoying, which is why we use it in wars
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:13:17 ] xxxAlloxxx > and we have been doing very well. n++[ 2012.06.12 19:13:32 ] xxxAlloxxx > we would love to continue this level of fighting n++[ 2012.06.12 19:13:52 ] xxxAlloxxx > as we find it well to help teach new players n++[ 2012.06.12 19:13:52 ] CraftyCroc > Kelduum n++[ 2012.06.12 19:13:54 ] Kelduum Revaan > well, what I;m planning to do is to bring everyone who wants to PvP down to Bosena, and camp you guys until you end the war n++[ 2012.06.12 19:13:59 ] xxxAlloxxx > and best way to learn is by fighting n++[ 2012.06.12 19:14:07 ] Kelduum Revaan > im fine with you guys shooting the LSC guys
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:14:46 ] Kelduum Revaan > active members? n++[ 2012.06.12 19:14:52 ] Kelduum Revaan > around 2300 n++[ 2012.06.12 19:14:55 ] CraftyCroc > excellent n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:06 ] xxxAlloxxx > now keldum n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:06 ] CraftyCroc > then you sir have 2300 nubbins n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:10 ] masty > i shall get the node reinforced n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:10 ] CraftyCroc > who will litter our killboard n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:15 ] CraftyCroc > HERE IS THE SKETCH n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:17 ] CraftyCroc > however n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:21 ] Kelduum Revaan > already done, masty
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:36 ] CraftyCroc > I believe we will match your 2300 n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:37 ] Kelduum Revaan > masty said 6 :) n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:47 ] CraftyCroc > aye but 14 of us our playing day z n++[ 2012.06.12 19:15:57 ] xxxAlloxxx > dayz : / n++[ 2012.06.12 19:16:06 ] Kelduum Revaan > thats fine, but we will be heavy on the ewar n++[ 2012.06.12 19:16:11 ] xxxAlloxxx > or diablo 3 : / n++[ 2012.06.12 19:16:12 ] CraftyCroc > EXPECTED n++[ 2012.06.12 19:16:15 ] CraftyCroc > tbh n++[ 2012.06.12 19:16:17 ] Kelduum Revaan > good stuff
Near the end it looks to me like they want the CFC to team up with euni?
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:25:09 ] xxxAlloxxx > from what I last read you guys had decided to run with test n++[ 2012.06.12 19:25:42 ] xxxAlloxxx > yes n++[ 2012.06.12 19:25:43 ] Kelduum Revaan > TEST offered us free access to NPC fountain, as a bootstrap for a larger program n++[ 2012.06.12 19:25:45 ] xxxAlloxxx > that null sec camp n++[ 2012.06.12 19:25:54 ] xxxAlloxxx > it is in test space or there abouts n++[ 2012.06.12 19:25:56 ] masty > ok well kelduum it was nice to talk to you n++[ 2012.06.12 19:26:06 ] masty > i hope you do us some pleasure of coming down personally n++[ 2012.06.12 19:26:14 ] Kelduum Revaan > so we can 'test' things out and make sure we have the links worked out before we scale it up
n++[ 2012.06.12 19:27:02 ] xxxAlloxxx > so are you saying there is a larger plan to join the CFC? n++[ 2012.06.12 19:27:33 ] Kelduum Revaan > nope, more the other way around n++[ 2012.06.12 19:27:48 ] Kelduum Revaan > the CFC has a significant proportion of E-UNI alumni n++[ 2012.06.12 19:28:21 ] xxxAlloxxx > k I had my fun... gl hf n++[ 2012.06.12 19:28:26 ] Kelduum Revaan > o7
This war has been loads of fun so far, hope it continues!!!
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Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
134
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:33:00 -
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xxxAlloxxx wrote:the big alliances with there CSM chairmen have maneuvered it such that they have all the control in the game now (Tin hat on).
Mittani is Vladimir Putin. Goons are FSB.
People of New Eden (Russia), stand up and fight for your rights! Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
Sard Caid does not endorse this message. |
CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
26
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:35:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong. Fight 1Fight 2Fight 3The battle reports are bugged - the above is about 6 different engagements. If you check our losses - generally the highest damage was from gate/station guns. Mr Harari has already commented on the level of small gang pvp goonswarm are known for so i'll not comment further Ban Bindy wrote:Jeez, what fun to see Gunpoint Diplomacy crying on the forums. Why don't you just gank a few more mackinaws in Teon? You'll be able to afford the war with the big newbie alliance you want to fight. We can afford the war - that is not the issue. The issue is the cost is excessive. Shockingly, among those thousands of members, a few of us solo. This is clearly shocking. In other news, engaging on stations and gates with guns will cost you ships. This is apparently news to a super pvp setup like Gunpoint. Good job guys. Does the fact that I've never lost a ship to gate guns or station guns at any point that I remember make me somehow better at lowsec pvp than your whole corp/alliance/hugbox? If so I'm very sorry.
What is it with you goons. Every post you have made in this thread has been pathetic. I have never engaged a goon flying solo. If you do solo then good for you. I am sure you will agree it is much more challenging and fun than following a fleet of a hundred + pilots clicking F1 when instructed to do so. I congratulate you on having never lost a ship to gate guns/station guns. I also have never lost a ship to these. Therefore in answer to your question of whether or not having never lost a ship to station guns makes you better than the whole of gunpoint - No it does not. |
CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:43:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:La Nariz wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:
We live in low sec. Generally we do not bother with war dec's as we are not bothered about being -10. The reason we have dec'd the alliance in question is because they fight with little skill but in large numbers. Generally we are engaging 5vs50.
Note they also expect us to take gcc and will not engage unless they have more ECM boats then we have ships.
If you're all -10 and in low sec then why are you whining about wardecs? Gate/station guns can't possibly be that much of a problem to warrant a wardec. It sounds like you need to recruit more people and escalate the situation if you want to deal with them or go fight someone else that you can handle. Instead of whining about wardec fees. I have very quickly checked your killboard and noticed you are an amateur. I will however entertain your troll by offering a response: 5 vs 50? Yes gate guns are an issue. Tool. Yes because telling you to stop whining about wardec fees instead of actively working to improve your situation via already available in-game mechanics is trolling. You are no different from the miners that whine for a change from CCP so they don't have to actually think about fitting their hulks and instead can just always fit for max yield. E: Even better your big "MY KILLBOARD" is over wanting to dec a newbie corp like eve-uni how ~elite~ pvp of you.
Your suggestion was to recruit more players. Not our thing.
We enjoy small gang/solo pvp. I'd ask that you find another thread to vomit all over as quite frankly the point still stands. The cost is excessive. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:02:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote:What is it with you goons. Every post you have made in this thread has been pathetic. That's, like, your opinion, man.
CraftyCroc wrote: I have never engaged a goon flying solo. If you do solo then good for you. I am sure you will agree it is much more challenging and fun than following a fleet of a hundred + pilots clicking F1 when instructed to do so.
I'm willing to bet you have never fought in a fleet battle with 1000 people on grid. I can tell this because you operate on some delusion that large fleet pvp is all "press F1 on the count of 3." I'm sure you could explain the intricacies of an interceptor, interdictor, one of several types of recons, combat probing in a cloud of 1000 ships, managing 30+ logistics with a logistics anchor, and all of the other features of "press F1" warfare and at which point the F1 key comes into play.
CraftyCroc wrote:I congratulate you on having never lost a ship to gate guns/station guns. I also have never lost a ship to these. Therefore in answer to your question of whether or not having never lost a ship to station guns makes you better than the whole of gunpoint - No it does not. Alright, now you just have to apply your own brilliance for not dying to station and gate guns to figure out how to keep your corpmates from dying to those gate and station guns without needing to whine at CCP to save you. HTFU |
Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:13:00 -
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The whole thing is easy to sum up without the back and forth.
Goons Win again, CCP has decided to back the largest alliance in the game. Everyone else got screwed. The End.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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