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Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The whole thing is easy to sum up without the back and forth.
Goons Win again, CCP has decided to back the largest alliance in the game. Everyone else got screwed. The End.
Pretty much. Goons were sick of getting harassed by constant decs. They are primarily carebears so this is understandable.
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CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:15:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:What is it with you goons. Every post you have made in this thread has been pathetic. That's, like, your opinion, man. CraftyCroc wrote: I have never engaged a goon flying solo. If you do solo then good for you. I am sure you will agree it is much more challenging and fun than following a fleet of a hundred + pilots clicking F1 when instructed to do so.
I'm willing to bet you have never fought in a fleet battle with 1000 people on grid. I can tell this because you operate on some delusion that large fleet pvp is all "press F1 on the count of 3." I'm sure you could explain the intricacies of an interceptor, interdictor, one of several types of recons, combat probing in a cloud of 1000 ships, managing 30+ logistics with a logistics anchor, and all of the other features of "press F1" warfare and at which point the F1 key comes into play. CraftyCroc wrote:I congratulate you on having never lost a ship to gate guns/station guns. I also have never lost a ship to these. Therefore in answer to your question of whether or not having never lost a ship to station guns makes you better than the whole of gunpoint - No it does not. Alright, now you just have to apply your own brilliance for not dying to station and gate guns to figure out how to keep your corpmates from dying to those gate and station guns without needing to whine at CCP to save you. HTFU
1) Yes it is my opinion and seemingly everyone else's who has posted negative comments about GOONS. 2) You are incorrect. I spent 3 months in a large alliance - flying in fleets ranging from several hundred to over a thousand. I was very good at anchoring... i was often the first to find the anchor and click orbit. (I tended to only have the anchor in my watch list which made this task simple). I was also VERY good at pressing F1. I would select the primary I was given and then fired all of this whilst maintaining a near perfect orbit on my anchor. The reason I left ? Little or no skill was involved. I then moved on to smaller corps and started to PVP in a genuine manner. Small corps breed pvp pilots - large alliances breed sheep/robots w/e. Regardless, each to his own. 3) You are still missing the point entirely, but then I have already deduced you are a muppet and so I will try and explain once more. The gate guns are not an issue by itself. Fighting outnumbered whilst taking gcc is a problem. The war dec has mitigated this.
EDIT: This thread is about the cost of dec's and how they affect small corps. Please return to topic you goon. |
masty
Gunpoint Diplomacy
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:26:00 -
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There is so much bad in this thread it is ridiculous but i shall try to point out the main issues and correct glaring comments by idiots.
The dec was started so we could use smaller more vulnerable ships in and around gate guns/stations without having to constantly fly with logi etc - Uni will also not fight if we have too much logi (read three or more unless they have a massive blob ready)
The Uni were not engaging us unless we took gcc first so it negated the use of small classes if they would not leave the Heild PTS station undock or Bosena gate
We are all filthy rich ~~hurr durr~~ so it is not the material isk cost, it is the point of it as a game mechanic. CCP has always stated the desire to break Eve up into smaller blocks and promote small scale combat - its easier on their servers but also a more enjoyable and dynamic game experience. Having groups do small scale 'guerilla'-esque combat should be promoted not hampered.
sard is the filthiest, vand is the richest
If a one man corp decided to dec goons why should it cost him 300mil roughly? If these entities cannot train their pilots or recruit total idiots that is their problem. Deciding you want to be totally safe AP'ing a freighter through high sec is not a right.
the comments about this being tears from a high sec griefer corp? Before you post at least look at the group that is making the post
This quote is pretty funny, and yes i cba to quote it properly;
- La Nariz - Yes because telling you to stop whining about wardec fees instead of actively working to improve your situation via already available in-game mechanics is trolling. You are no different from the miners that whine for a change from CCP so they don't have to actually think about fitting their hulks and instead can just always fit for max yield.
E: Even better your big "MY KILLBOARD" is over wanting to dec a newbie corp like eve-uni how ~elite~ pvp of you.
So you think we should recruit another 2000 pilots so we can match this colossus? Can you suggest any highly skilled groups we can base our expansion on? Or make more isk so we dont care about meagre losses, war dec fee's and supply all members with officer fit t3's and faction bs's? You are missing the point sir.
The Uni moved into the system next door to where we live. Into a system which is quite well known for its small ship/gang pvp due to the presence of a 2/10 angel plex. It has been home to many corps who pride themselves in frigate pvp who teach this to new members. This ruins the small gang aspect that has generally persisted in Molden Heath for as long as i remember - with various periods interspersed with homeless 0.0 entities stationing for a couple of weeks at most. RANSM are quite competent at small gang work so looked forward to the pvp possibilities and after a weekend of some gf's we decided to spice it up more and expand our pvp possibilities. We have 37 members on our roster but roughly 15 or less are currently active, the rest being douchebags in Dayz atm. So with the high chances of not many members being on at the same time a war dec was called so small scale combat could occur around infrastructure, the Uni had learned quickly not to engage at the beacons unless blobbed the hell up.
So the crux of the issue is not tears, it is not chest beating. It is not calls for CCP to start changing the general idea of war dec's. It is the question why it should cost so much to declare war on a large entity who can realistically set up shop where they want and try to dictate terms of engagement.
We will keep pewing, having lols and giving gf's. The Uni membership have been fairly good sports, i have registered on their kb to correct some of the reasons they give for dying hopefully they learn from the experience we can give them. We are not here to grief them, they moved to us. If they want experience just keep flying against us, uni rules prohibit talking to war targets but we have no issue clearing up any issues they have about engagements we have and they died horribly.
we expect to lose a metric ton of assets due to shear numbers weighed against us but our kb stats do not define us and no one will get a bollocking for losing a cynabal and LG snake clone either, just get trolled to no end.
Have fun uni o/ |
CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
30
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:19:00 -
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masty wrote: we expect to lose a metric ton of assets due to shear numbers weighed against us but our kb stats do not define us and no one will get a bollocking for losing a cynabal and LG snake clone either, just get trolled to no end.
Metric Ton
I'll just leave this here.. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
447
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:28:00 -
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Morganta wrote: go spend a day hunting for targets in syndicate
your pvp choices are:
crash 20+ man fleets into each other camp gates in the hope that a single ship or small gang (chuckle) comes through play endless station games with null bears with supercaps bait -n- blop people like you who think that small gang warfare is thriving in null
the only small gangs we see down there are out of towners and bait fleets
Station games is more of a low/high thing. We prefer to play POS games. Less likely to have a bubble on it. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
662
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:30:00 -
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If you're in highsec and you're fighting on a station either you're a moron who thinks that station camping is a good idea or your opponent is a moron who thinks station camping is a good idea.
When someone is station camping you there's nothing forcing you to undock and shoot them and die and when you're headed to go fight war targets there's nothing forcing you to sit outside a station they're docked in.
Station games only happen when someone is an idiot. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1032
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:30:00 -
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Laktos wrote:Pretty much. Goons were sick of getting harassed by constant decs. They are primarily carebears so this is understandable. Yep, you reached down from camping Jita and slaps us in Dek where we were ratting.
Come on, you can at least get a ship with a cloak in to camp, right? I mean .... come on, a T1 frigate or something won't hurt your wallet that bad.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ayllia Saken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:41:00 -
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GSF is very very good at the metagame. Not quite like BoB (sending a guy to cut power, Jeez) but certainly more effective. GSF and The Mittani say so quite clearly. To win Eve you have to keep your pilots more entertained than the other guy. As long as you have pilots willing to login and throw ships at the enemy, you can keep fighting for ever. You lose when your morale cracks.
But better yet to influence the game's very rules to suit your style of play, or your strengths, such as a strong external community.
The old tactic of complaining on the forums isn't going to cut it. Anti-GSF whining is immediately detected, located and counter-posted by their dedicated forum warriors.
GSF probably doesn't need to forum-post to achieve their goals. It is probably far more effective, and invisible, to lobby CCP behind the scenes. Hence the CSM election. How effective is it? Who knows? And hence the suspicion.
The danger is that "Internet Metagame Warrior" may have a smaller potential market than "Internet Spaceship Warrior". The GSF has set the standard, and if to "Win" Eve you need to do spend more time fighting out of game than flying around in pretend internet spaceships, then customers may start looking elsewhere. It's a fine balancing act for CCP. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1032
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:43:00 -
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Ayllia Saken wrote:To win Eve you have to keep your pilots more entertained than the other guy. As long as you have pilots willing to login and throw ships at the enemy, you can keep fighting for ever. You lose when your morale cracks. Nothing like throwing drakes at something to keep morale up :)
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1182
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:44:00 -
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I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1032
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:49:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys But we wanted the targets to shoot. Nullsec has no targets, remember? Empty wasteland and all that.
I mean, in highsec we can't hotdrop or use superrifters, isn't that good enough for you? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
0
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:00:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys
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CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:07:00 -
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Wardec's are bad mkay?
There all very evil and keep people from learning the genitive case. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:13:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote:2) You are incorrect. I spent 3 months in a large alliance - flying in fleets ranging from several hundred to over a thousand. I was very good at anchoring... i was often the first to find the anchor and click orbit. (I tended to only have the anchor in my watch list which made this task simple). I was also VERY good at pressing F1. I would select the primary I was given and then fired all of this whilst maintaining a near perfect orbit on my anchor. The reason I left ? Little or no skill was involved. I then moved on to smaller corps and started to PVP in a genuine manner. Small corps breed pvp pilots - large alliances breed sheep/robots w/e. Regardless, each to his own. That's a very cool story and all but totally non-responsive to my point. I too am willing to accept that you know nothing about 0.0 warfare. Fair enough. (3 months, lol)
CraftyCroc wrote:3)You are still missing the point entirely, but then I have already deduced you are a muppet and so I will try and explain once more. The gate guns are not an issue by itself. Fighting outnumbered whilst taking gcc is a problem. The war dec has mitigated this.
Whatever "muppet" means it must be really offensive to somebody somewhere. I'll file that one away. On the other hand, do try to keep your stories straight. If you are complaining about needing a wardec to avoid dying to gateguns while shooting at eve uni newbies that's cool. (your laundry list of killmails complaining about damage from gate guns comes to mind). If it is now about GCC or whatever, then that's cool too, but do try to be honest about what it is you are whining about. It helps the rest of us keep up without having to predict your next wild move.
My core point still hasn't changed. If you want to buy a lot of targets to shoot at you're going to have to have the money to pay for it. If you can't pay the price for the service then I would reconsider how important it is to you instead of whining about how unfair the game is to you. I mean, if you really want people to take you seriously as some sort of "real PVPer" then the least you can do is avoid whining on the forums about how unfair things are.
If you really think you should be paying less to shoot at people, I would consider purchasing less rights to shoot at less people. I hear that if you purchase less of something you end up paying less for it. |
Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
137
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Laktos wrote:Pretty much. Goons were sick of getting harassed by constant decs. They are primarily carebears so this is understandable. Yep, you reached down from camping Jita and slaps us in Dek where we were ratting. Come on, you can at least get a ship with a cloak in to camp, right? I mean .... come on, a T1 frigate or something won't hurt your wallet that bad.
Enough with your propaganda, FSB goon! Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
300
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:06:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys So what alliance benefits the most from the War dec changes? What alliance was having their wardecs attract massive numbers of allies to there enemys in droves? What alliance gains the most from the super nerf to the ally system? What alliance realized that with so many wardecs they were out manned in Hi-sec? So what alliance would most want them removed?
Welcome to Goonswarm online, the game built to protect one set of Nullbears. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
262
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:07:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys So what alliance benefits the most from the War dec changes? What alliance was having their wardecs attract massive numbers of allies to there enemys in droves? What alliance gains the most from the super nerf to the ally system? What alliance realized that with so many wardecs they were out manned in Hi-sec? So what alliance would most want them removed? Welcome to Goonswarm online, the game built to protect one set of Nullbears.
You should change your name to Broken Record.
Cause you sound like one. |
Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
300
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:08:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys So what alliance benefits the most from the War dec changes? What alliance was having their wardecs attract massive numbers of allies to there enemys in droves? What alliance gains the most from the super nerf to the ally system? What alliance realized that with so many wardecs they were out manned in Hi-sec? So what alliance would most want them removed? Welcome to Goonswarm online, the game built to protect one set of Nullbears. You should change your name to Broken Record. Cause you sound like one. I would but the members of Goonswarm haven't authorized that for the game yet. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1187
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:14:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I love the linear thought process that goes into devising this conspiracy theory.
CCP makes it that the cost of a wardec is based on the number of members in the defending alliance. Goonswarm has the most members of any alliance, therefore they'd benefit the most (ignoring that they live in lawless space). Therefore, Goonswarm must have convinced CCP to put in this mechanic.
bravo guys So what alliance benefits the most from the War dec changes? What alliance was having their wardecs attract massive numbers of allies to there enemys in droves? What alliance gains the most from the super nerf to the ally system? What alliance realized that with so many wardecs they were out manned in Hi-sec? So what alliance would most want them removed? Welcome to Goonswarm online, the game built to protect one set of Nullbears. How goes The Trade Guild's wardec against Goonswarm now that you made it mutual and permanent, btw? |
Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
300
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:23:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: How goes The Trade Guild's wardec against Goonswarm now that you made it mutual and permanent, btw?
I didn't make it mutual as they stated they would permadec me and one of the aims was for a pointless spending of their isk. They dropped the war after the first week. The support from allies was great, this was of course before the nerf to protect Goonswarm.
Thanks for asking. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:46:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:How goes The Trade Guild's wardec against Goonswarm now that you made it mutual and permanent, btw? Wow, The Honda Accord and The Star Fraction have gotten together quite a list of people. 38 Allies for Honda and 43 for Star.
Good going, guys. However, I don't think you've *yet* gotten every gate-camping, undock-sitting, remote-repping, station-gaming highseccer into the wars, so you better hurry. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
masty
Gunpoint Diplomacy
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 07:10:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:2) You are incorrect. I spent 3 months in a large alliance - flying in fleets ranging from several hundred to over a thousand. I was very good at anchoring... i was often the first to find the anchor and click orbit. (I tended to only have the anchor in my watch list which made this task simple). I was also VERY good at pressing F1. I would select the primary I was given and then fired all of this whilst maintaining a near perfect orbit on my anchor. The reason I left ? Little or no skill was involved. I then moved on to smaller corps and started to PVP in a genuine manner. Small corps breed pvp pilots - large alliances breed sheep/robots w/e. Regardless, each to his own. That's a very cool story and all but totally non-responsive to my point. I too am willing to accept that you know nothing about 0.0 warfare. Fair enough. (3 months, lol) CraftyCroc wrote:3)You are still missing the point entirely, but then I have already deduced you are a muppet and so I will try and explain once more. The gate guns are not an issue by itself. Fighting outnumbered whilst taking gcc is a problem. The war dec has mitigated this. Whatever "muppet" means it must be really offensive to somebody somewhere. I'll file that one away. On the other hand, do try to keep your stories straight. If you are complaining about needing a wardec to avoid dying to gateguns while shooting at eve uni newbies that's cool. (your laundry list of killmails complaining about damage from gate guns comes to mind). If it is now about GCC or whatever, then that's cool too, but do try to be honest about what it is you are whining about. It helps the rest of us keep up without having to predict your next wild move. My core point still hasn't changed. If you want to buy a lot of targets to shoot at you're going to have to have the money to pay for it. If you can't pay the price for the service then I would reconsider how important it is to you instead of whining about how unfair the game is to you. I mean, if you really want people to take you seriously as some sort of "real PVPer" then the least you can do is avoid whining on the forums about how unfair things are. If you really think you should be paying less to shoot at people, I would consider purchasing less rights to shoot at less people. I hear that if you purchase less of something you end up paying less for it.
you really dont listen, read my previous post to understand why the dec was done. Or do some research. the targets were already on our doorstep. The dec allowed a more flexible use of our limited resources
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CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
30
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Posted - 2012.06.15 10:57:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:CraftyCroc wrote:2) You are incorrect. I spent 3 months in a large alliance - flying in fleets ranging from several hundred to over a thousand. I was very good at anchoring... i was often the first to find the anchor and click orbit. (I tended to only have the anchor in my watch list which made this task simple). I was also VERY good at pressing F1. I would select the primary I was given and then fired all of this whilst maintaining a near perfect orbit on my anchor. The reason I left ? Little or no skill was involved. I then moved on to smaller corps and started to PVP in a genuine manner. Small corps breed pvp pilots - large alliances breed sheep/robots w/e. Regardless, each to his own. That's a very cool story and all but totally non-responsive to my point. I too am willing to accept that you know nothing about 0.0 warfare. Fair enough. (3 months, lol) CraftyCroc wrote:3)You are still missing the point entirely, but then I have already deduced you are a muppet and so I will try and explain once more. The gate guns are not an issue by itself. Fighting outnumbered whilst taking gcc is a problem. The war dec has mitigated this. Whatever "muppet" means it must be really offensive to somebody somewhere. I'll file that one away. On the other hand, do try to keep your stories straight. If you are complaining about needing a wardec to avoid dying to gateguns while shooting at eve uni newbies that's cool. (your laundry list of killmails complaining about damage from gate guns comes to mind). If it is now about GCC or whatever, then that's cool too, but do try to be honest about what it is you are whining about. It helps the rest of us keep up without having to predict your next wild move. My core point still hasn't changed. If you want to buy a lot of targets to shoot at you're going to have to have the money to pay for it. If you can't pay the price for the service then I would reconsider how important it is to you instead of whining about how unfair the game is to you. I mean, if you really want people to take you seriously as some sort of "real PVPer" then the least you can do is avoid whining on the forums about how unfair things are. If you really think you should be paying less to shoot at people, I would consider purchasing less rights to shoot at less people. I hear that if you purchase less of something you end up paying less for it.
TLDR
Stfu you goon prik |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
440
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:35:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:How goes The Trade Guild's wardec against Goonswarm now that you made it mutual and permanent, btw? Wow, The Honda Accord and The Star Fraction have gotten together quite a list of people. 38 Allies for Honda and 43 for Star. Good going, guys. However, I don't think you've *yet* gotten every gate-camping, undock-sitting, remote-repping, station-gaming highseccer into the wars, so you better hurry.
Not yet, but all these Goon tears, lucky your friends in CCP have fixed it for you hey
Tal
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xxxAlloxxx
Gunpoint Diplomacy
32
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:05:00 -
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1.) To the goons and the fags who complain about goons. Go get your own thread to ***** at each other on ffs.
2.) To the numpty goon who thought he would take a poke at Laktos (one of our true to form solo pvp'ers who only roams in null sec) you made yourself look like an idiot way to go .
3.) This thread delivers with a ton of win trolling in it!!!
4.) Would the Goon propaganda machine now switch to Euni propaganda as that's the alliance you guys are joining tyvm.
5.) All those terrible high sec war dec corps - we are not you, you are not us now stfu and stop bitching.
6.) The point still stands, the war dec fee is still high.
7.) Gunpoint Diplomacy dos not do high sec **** as this is boring as **** and pointless. We also don't take to gate camping as again we are easily distracted by candy and therefore hate gate camping. We use the war dec system in low sec so to A.) easily see targets in local B.) make frig combat with non flashy targets viable on gates.
8.) No one here really gives two ***** about goons or the political scene in eve. But we do appreciate that goons have taken an interest in joining Euni and look forward to seeing how that works out for them.
9.) Cats...... I don't trust them but they seem okay.
10.) Butts Butts Butts Butts Butts... This thread was lacking in Butts tbh... Newest Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02OAZ3W0fXs |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
21
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:29:00 -
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Cavel Avada wrote:I see this as working as intended. War is an expensive prospect. 10-man corps should not be able to cheaply wardec a corp 10x their size. It's just unrealistic.
You are forgetting one small, yet critically important, thing.
Realistically, you dont pay some 3rd party a fee when you attack another country. I've been a part of 3 real wars now and I can tell you, we never had to pay the U.N. for the privilege.
Your cost is time, personel & materielle (resources), political collateral and risk. You bring that cost with you when you fight and your success determines how much it comes out to.
Sure, by default this prevents smaller entities from going mano-a-mano with larger ones, but that does not mean it's prohibitive for smaller guys to do so. Inversely so, it costs more for larger entities to engage in war, regardless of how powerful they are and how certain the outcome. Even if a shot isn't fired, just organizing and moving a massive forse costs time and resources.
So, the current fee system IS indeed a little bit backwards.
If anything, it should cost the larger alliances more money and it should be near costless for corporation of less than 10 people. The FEE should reflect the empires tolerance of allowing the war to happen, to pay for the disturbance and to simulate "logistical costs". Larger entities cost more to move and are a larger source of potential destruction, they should pay a larger fee. Not cause a larger fee for their adversaries.
The fee schedule needs to change for sure, I really dont understand why CCP is having such a hard time with this. They hired an economist for the economy, maybe its time they get a military expert in a few fields to help get past the logic of it.
On a good note - The Merc system is perfect. They need to leverage it more and let people use the money for that. Perfect for corps who dont want to have a constant pewpew fleet, but who have the money to make friends. Get rid of the fees on that, let the market determine cost. Primary Test Subject |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:37:00 -
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CCP, if I say I'm enjoying these goon tears does that qualify as a personal attack? |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:47:00 -
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Has anyone yet explained how more hisec wardecs hurt nullsec alliances who are already constantly wardecced and do all of their logistics with neutral alts?
I mean, as much as you want to believe in goondev conspiracies because you lead sad and terrible meaningless lives, the entire thing falls apart based on that simple oversight. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
55
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:08:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:Has anyone yet explained how more hisec wardecs hurt nullsec alliances who are already constantly wardecced and do all of their logistics with neutral alts?
I mean, as much as you want to believe in goondev conspiracies because you lead sad and terrible meaningless lives, the entire thing falls apart based on that simple oversight.
It doesn't take long on eve-kill to see expensive losses for them in high sec. You pretending they don't exist does not make them go away. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:12:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote:The latest update is great however I feel you have somewhat shafted smaller corps when it comes to war dec'ing.
Two large alliances have come into the area and we have been sparring with them since they have arrived. A decision was made to war dec them and the cost has been quoted as 300m a week.
We estimate it would have cost us in the past circa 50m. Is it working as intended? I hope not.
Sadly there should have been a difference modifier on war decs.
100 person corp wardec 100 person corp the cost should be 50 mill 100 person corp wardec 50 person corp the cost should be 75 mill (50 base plus 25 difference at .5 m ISK each)
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