People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

They only loose ships cause they don't pay attention to intel and local. I am less concerned about loosing my carrier running anoms in null than I was about loosing my NM in incursions. The carrier's value is more than that of my NM.

They only loose ships cause they don't pay attention to intel and local. I am less concerned about loosing my carrier running anoms in null than I was about loosing my NM in incursions. The carrier's value is more than that of my NM.

I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

Tragedy strikes again.

I think there is still some confusion with regards to the reasons for the rollback. We are not rolling back the 2 selected changes because we are under some illusion this will just make everything better. We are rolling them back because we didn't like the outcome and are unhappy with the direction it took Incursions. We still have plenty of plans for the future of Incursions - one of those will be to look at the OTA sites but we could have either continued to work on Incursions from a position we were unhappy about, or revert the changes we disliked. I am under no illusions that we have waved some magic Incursion wand and all the problems have vanished, the devblog was simply the first of, what I hope to be many, Incursion updates.

Also, it's worth noting that we are rolling back the 10% reward reduction. This is not the same thing as increasing the current payout by 10%. eg: 1000 reduced by 10% = 900 which becomes the new payout amount - so 900 increased by 10% is 990

People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

It is still quite possible to make 80+mil isk an hour running incursions in High-sec, I don't really see a reason to 'un-nerf' them. They make way more than lvl4's even though they are no harder and one does not need to grind standing to do them. Just because you suck at incursions and it takes you 20min to clear a VG site doesn't mean the rest of us suck.

Just a quick search of youtube and I found this vid of people clearing OTAs in 5:40 post-patch (youtube). We can do it quicker. But there is proof it can be done, and you are just failing. Instead of asking how can CCP make Eve easier for me you need to be asking how can I make myself better at Eve.

So they wanna un-nerf incursions because people have cried so much? God I might have to join the incursion gankers...

They're un-nerfing that part of them because they make less isk than L4s, but require a lot more effort.

Why should ten people in expensive battleships, constantly under thousands of incoming dps, NOT make more isk than a random joe soloing L4s with no risk at all?

Trouble is, HQ fleets are the top-tier, and make about 60m/hr when running smoothly, which is definitely not always the case. That's still less than a well-skilled L4 runner...but if vanguards go above that, they're un-balanced again....

Incursions weren't changed for years so subscriptions paid by incursion runners were used to develop other content. I believe most of those money was used to develop content for low/null-sec because I didn't hear about massive content patches for hi-sec in years (though I didn't hear about *any* massive content patches for years).

Also I suspect DarthNefarious isn't the only unsubscribed person because incursions were end-game content and a wet dream for many (if not most) hi-sec dwellers and I suspect after Inferno thousands of them lost their hope to get into incursions and "get rich quickly" one day - after months of dull farming of low profit, boring L4s. So there must be hundreds (if not thousands) unsubscribed accounts .

This nerf was everyone's massive loss. Even though some players doesn't understand it yet.

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I think that everybody, 0.0 people, pirates, gankers etc. should start seeing that the problem is not balacing incursions but getting ccp to listen.

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

People lose ships in Highsec everyday in fact FAR MORE SHIPS ARE destroyed in highsec than low/null. Nullsec is for epeeners

Nullsec is far safer than getting ganked in high/low.

According to CCP, some 50% of all combat losses occur in Nullsec. Lowsec has another ~20%, WH space some 10%, and HiSec some 20%.

[citation needed]

According to CCP, some 50% of all combat losses occur in Nullsec. Lowsec has another ~20%, WH space some 10%, and HiSec some 20%.

It is still quite possible to make 80+mil isk an hour running incursions in High-sec, I don't really see a reason to 'un-nerf' them. They make way more than lvl4's even though they are no harder and one does not need to grind standing to do them. Just because you suck at incursions and it takes you 20min to clear a VG site doesn't mean the rest of us suck.

[citation needed]

Dev Blog by CCP Diagoras:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235

High Sec
8,291,948

Low Sec
4,637,594

Null Sec
7,630,341

Wormhole Space
539,912

Total
21,099,795


Sorry, I my recollection overcounted WH Space and HS at the expense of LS.


[citation provided]


EDIT: Seems someone above me wants to count PvE losses as combat losses. Just because you're terrible at PvE doesn't mean it's dangerous.

Incursion losses = 0, once you exclude incursion losses.

By the same token:
Pvp losses = 0, once you exclude pvp losses.

Once you exclude losses from what you don't like, only what like has losses.

I specifically said "Combat Losses" when I made my first post on the subject. You're saying that shooting little red crosses is "combat?"

Don't know what combat is? Read the combat guide:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Guides:PvE_Combat

Clearly, combat that I don't like don't count as combat. I like it, or it didn't happen.

Gotcha. Shooting the ebil red crosses is glorious combat. Glad we're clear on it.

In that case, Null still has roughly 50% of Combat losses.

Look, a loss is a loss. Your boat popped. However it happened, you lost your boat.

Loss is relative to what you have. A noob losing his trusty friggie is a loss to him. Chribbia losing his outpost is a day in the good life.

Who's to say noobs losing their frigs in highsec is less of a loss to them than alts losing their rookie boats in sov null? Or is there just an assumption that those small losses are in highsec? With the number of Condor losses, you'd think one of the rookie systems would make the top 10 system list.

If you're going to rank some losses above others, all the null blob losses should rank near the bottom. Losing an insured corp boat isn't as much loss for the player than for the corp.

People lose ships in Highsec everyday in fact FAR MORE SHIPS ARE destroyed in highsec than low/null. Nullsec is for epeeners

Nullsec is far safer than getting ganked in high/low.