We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity

How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

I don't understand.

You unsubscribed because you can't make fake money?

What exactly do you do with your fake money?

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.

lol ... fake money .....

The only thing u ppl said about incursions was they killed plex market. Incs are nerfed now and plex prices are same. So that wasnt problem.

Problem is that CCP gave 10 apples, then they took 9 (nerf) and now they are giving back 1 apple. This isnt un-nerf, ppl have 2 apples and they had 10.

I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk. They play game in their way, you do that in yours. The only thing I see here is jealousy from 10yo kids.
The good thing is that they will spend isk coming in 0.0, low sec and you will have nice kills.

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

Only reason I stopped doing incursions is because fleets dried up. I play from EVE time 7 to DT, and finding fleets even in a shiny NM is a ***** at that time since the nerf. I seriously doubt this is un-nerf is going to be able to bring back the VG fleets. But lets wait and see...

I wouldn't call that "un-nerf" - actual un-nerf is still months away. It doesn't matter if OTAs theoretically pay 9 or 10m when they are impossible to finish and there are no other sites unless you are logged in right after DT.

How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?

lol ... fake money .....

The only thing u ppl said about incursions was they killed plex market. Incs are nerfed now and plex prices are same. So that wasnt problem.

Problem is that CCP gave 10 apples, then they took 9 (nerf) and now they are giving back 1 apple. This isnt un-nerf, ppl have 2 apples and they had 10.

I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk. They play game in their way, you do that in yours. The only thing I see here is jealousy from 10yo kids.
The good thing is that they will spend isk coming in 0.0, low sec and you will have nice kills.

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.

I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk.

Once you drive away customers, you'll have to work 10x as hard to get them back.

A slight unnerf isn't even close to getting wh dwellers back out of their holes... It will have to be a full rollback, and then some.

if you played this game ONLY to do vanguard incursions and you quit because vanguards got nerfed, well, that's just comical to me.

You talk as if all the people who previously ran incursions unsubscribed, rather than ****** off to another part of space to earn their ISK instead. While I personally think the nerf was a bit too extreme, VGs were always a repetitive grind and never really that interesting to begin with. In a BS fleet, you did OTA after OTA, killing the enemies in the exact same order each and every time. That's not interesting PVE content - that's a grind. My hope is that CCP continues to develop incursions, adding more types of sites and adjusting payouts accordingly.

But seriously, if you played this game ONLY to do vanguard incursions and you quit because vanguards got nerfed, well, that's just comical to me. There are other good ways to earn ISK in this game, and if you actually enjoyed running with incursion fleets, there are still fleets running assaults and making pretty good cash doing it and there you'll have double the people in fleet for that sense of "community."

What I said was observation on reality, not the same as your assumptions. It took us quite a bit of effort to set up the wh again, 10% isn't anywhere close to enough to abandon it. Had it happened a day or 2 after the nerfbat hit, maybe, but now is too late. Ratters who's since moved back to null is in the same boat. I've been seeing the same thing on every one of my alts. People moved on.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, since Incursions have been sucking people in from all over, leaving behind deserted space. Now, there are signs of life in some parts again. But if 10% is all CCP is willing to go, Incursions are dead for good.

What you said was completely misleading then. If by "driving away customers" you mean "causing people to adapt how the play this game," then I agree with you on the effect of the changes. You might want to work on your wording though.

If you're talking about driving people to other parts of the game, I don't think CCP is all that worried about that. They seem to like to shake things up a bit every so often and let the players adapt accordingly. There are still some (albeit far fewer) people doing incursions and, at the end of the day, incursions are just a way to earn ISK for funding other projects in the game. I hope that CCP will continue to refine incursions but I don't really see a big problem if people decide to do WH's/missions/etc. rather than incursions.

tl;dr:
You think Incursions should be dead and stay dead.

So why pretend 10% is enough to revive Incursions to begin with?

There were a few incursion FCs that tried to keep forming VG fleets, as far as i know DJ Noob is still sticking it out. But the community is gone and trying to form a fleet takes hours, being more of a statement then a way to have fun and get isk. Incursions were ALL about the public fleets, if you have the coordination to get 12 people into 4 billion isk ships, your not farming the pitiful isk that incursions give, your in a C6...

As if there is any risk in tardnull sec.

This is the best news the EVE community has had since, well, since the Incursion nerf went live.

People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

They only loose ships cause they don't pay attention to intel and local. I am less concerned about loosing my carrier running anoms in null than I was about loosing my NM in incursions. The carrier's value is more than that of my NM.

They only loose ships cause they don't pay attention to intel and local. I am less concerned about loosing my carrier running anoms in null than I was about loosing my NM in incursions. The carrier's value is more than that of my NM.

I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

Tragedy strikes again.

I think there is still some confusion with regards to the reasons for the rollback. We are not rolling back the 2 selected changes because we are under some illusion this will just make everything better. We are rolling them back because we didn't like the outcome and are unhappy with the direction it took Incursions. We still have plenty of plans for the future of Incursions - one of those will be to look at the OTA sites but we could have either continued to work on Incursions from a position we were unhappy about, or revert the changes we disliked. I am under no illusions that we have waved some magic Incursion wand and all the problems have vanished, the devblog was simply the first of, what I hope to be many, Incursion updates.

Also, it's worth noting that we are rolling back the 10% reward reduction. This is not the same thing as increasing the current payout by 10%. eg: 1000 reduced by 10% = 900 which becomes the new payout amount - so 900 increased by 10% is 990

People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

It is still quite possible to make 80+mil isk an hour running incursions in High-sec, I don't really see a reason to 'un-nerf' them. They make way more than lvl4's even though they are no harder and one does not need to grind standing to do them. Just because you suck at incursions and it takes you 20min to clear a VG site doesn't mean the rest of us suck.

Just a quick search of youtube and I found this vid of people clearing OTAs in 5:40 post-patch (youtube). We can do it quicker. But there is proof it can be done, and you are just failing. Instead of asking how can CCP make Eve easier for me you need to be asking how can I make myself better at Eve.

So they wanna un-nerf incursions because people have cried so much? God I might have to join the incursion gankers...

They're un-nerfing that part of them because they make less isk than L4s, but require a lot more effort.

Why should ten people in expensive battleships, constantly under thousands of incoming dps, NOT make more isk than a random joe soloing L4s with no risk at all?

Trouble is, HQ fleets are the top-tier, and make about 60m/hr when running smoothly, which is definitely not always the case. That's still less than a well-skilled L4 runner...but if vanguards go above that, they're un-balanced again....

Incursions weren't changed for years so subscriptions paid by incursion runners were used to develop other content. I believe most of those money was used to develop content for low/null-sec because I didn't hear about massive content patches for hi-sec in years (though I didn't hear about *any* massive content patches for years).

Also I suspect DarthNefarious isn't the only unsubscribed person because incursions were end-game content and a wet dream for many (if not most) hi-sec dwellers and I suspect after Inferno thousands of them lost their hope to get into incursions and "get rich quickly" one day - after months of dull farming of low profit, boring L4s. So there must be hundreds (if not thousands) unsubscribed accounts .

This nerf was everyone's massive loss. Even though some players doesn't understand it yet.

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I think that everybody, 0.0 people, pirates, gankers etc. should start seeing that the problem is not balacing incursions but getting ccp to listen.

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

People lose ships in Highsec everyday in fact FAR MORE SHIPS ARE destroyed in highsec than low/null. Nullsec is for epeeners

Nullsec is far safer than getting ganked in high/low.

According to CCP, some 50% of all combat losses occur in Nullsec. Lowsec has another ~20%, WH space some 10%, and HiSec some 20%.

[citation needed]

According to CCP, some 50% of all combat losses occur in Nullsec. Lowsec has another ~20%, WH space some 10%, and HiSec some 20%.

It is still quite possible to make 80+mil isk an hour running incursions in High-sec, I don't really see a reason to 'un-nerf' them. They make way more than lvl4's even though they are no harder and one does not need to grind standing to do them. Just because you suck at incursions and it takes you 20min to clear a VG site doesn't mean the rest of us suck.

[citation needed]

Dev Blog by CCP Diagoras:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235

High Sec
8,291,948

Low Sec
4,637,594

Null Sec
7,630,341

Wormhole Space
539,912

Total
21,099,795


Sorry, I my recollection overcounted WH Space and HS at the expense of LS.


[citation provided]


EDIT: Seems someone above me wants to count PvE losses as combat losses. Just because you're terrible at PvE doesn't mean it's dangerous.

Incursion losses = 0, once you exclude incursion losses.

By the same token:
Pvp losses = 0, once you exclude pvp losses.

Once you exclude losses from what you don't like, only what like has losses.

I specifically said "Combat Losses" when I made my first post on the subject. You're saying that shooting little red crosses is "combat?"

Don't know what combat is? Read the combat guide:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Guides:PvE_Combat

Clearly, combat that I don't like don't count as combat. I like it, or it didn't happen.

Gotcha. Shooting the ebil red crosses is glorious combat. Glad we're clear on it.

In that case, Null still has roughly 50% of Combat losses.

Look, a loss is a loss. Your boat popped. However it happened, you lost your boat.

Loss is relative to what you have. A noob losing his trusty friggie is a loss to him. Chribbia losing his outpost is a day in the good life.

Who's to say noobs losing their frigs in highsec is less of a loss to them than alts losing their rookie boats in sov null? Or is there just an assumption that those small losses are in highsec? With the number of Condor losses, you'd think one of the rookie systems would make the top 10 system list.

If you're going to rank some losses above others, all the null blob losses should rank near the bottom. Losing an insured corp boat isn't as much loss for the player than for the corp.

People lose ships in Highsec everyday in fact FAR MORE SHIPS ARE destroyed in highsec than low/null. Nullsec is for epeeners

Nullsec is far safer than getting ganked in high/low.

is ganking pvp?

It is still quite possible to make 80+mil isk an hour running incursions in High-sec, I don't really see a reason to 'un-nerf' them. They make way more than lvl4's even though they are no harder and one does not need to grind standing to do them. Just because you suck at incursions and it takes you 20min to clear a VG site doesn't mean the rest of us suck.

Just a quick search of youtube and I found this vid of people clearing OTAs in 5:40 post-patch (youtube). We can do it quicker. But there is proof it can be done, and you are just failing. Instead of asking how can CCP make Eve easier for me you need to be asking how can I make myself better at Eve.

I'll chalenge you on that one. Invite me to a fleet and show me how to make 80 mill / hr consistently. I start the timer when I get the fleet invite and stop it when I dock up. For the record I can bring an almost maxskilled Macharial that currently puts out 1100+ DPS and is willing to refit if you prefer that.

I posted earlier that a more realistic figure in a shiny fleet is roughly 40 mill / hr when running. But it takes just as long to get fleeted as the time you run providing that you can get a fleet and that you have a long timeslot to play uninterrupted. After taking that into account you end up at roughly 20 mill /hr.

Im looking forward to get an invite. If it is just me that are doing things so very wrong I'm willing to learn.

Sounds like a social problem. If fleets are taking a long time to form, try to fix that social* problem. Incursions, just like every other high end income stream in EvE, take some time and effort to get set up and running. Missions take standings, Tech takes POSes, Invention takes invention, etc. Incursions take social organization.


*as in, not game mechanical

It's silly to compare the time it takes to get standing for level 4s to the time it takes to get a fleet. Standings are a one time thing unless you purposely mess them up. Trying to get in a fleet is not a one time thing.

I can log on right now and immediately start a mission. I can't do this with an incursion. The time to get in a fleet must be calculated in the ISK per hour you make.

There are people who worked on their social connections and can get into a VG fleet as soon as they log in for the day. You can do the same if you don't want to wait. Or if you're unwilling to work on your connections in that way, you can run L4s.

Not being able to get into a fleet when you want is a social, not game mechanical problem. Wasn't the great cry of the incursion communities that they do it for the social aspect?

Incursions are now the social PvE reward. They're better Isk/hr than missions if you put in effort to make social connections and they're worse if you don't.

This is the problem with Incursion haters - they never ran Incursions to begin with, are out of touch, and have no idea what's going on. You need to get a clue, instead of pulling things out of your rear end...

Absolutely false. These small tight knit groups are the first to leave after the nerf. I've had to delete a lot of empty channels. All that's left are remnants of large public groups.

Paranoia is due to Eve mechanics. People behave accordingly.

This is the problem with Incursion haters - they never ran Incursions to begin with, are out of touch, and have no idea what's going on. You need to get a clue, instead of pulling things out of your rear end...

I would have to agree with this. I have a feeling most of the haters are pilots from nulsec who are upset that pilots in high sec were able to make almost as much ISK as they could.

Once you get in a fleet, can you make more ISK/hr than l4s? Yes.
Is it possible to get a group together such that you do not need to wait to get a fleet together? Yes.

If *you* are unable to do number two to have access to number one, that's your problem.

No, and no. Again, go get a clue. I was part of many of these groups. They're the first to be gone. FOTM chasers are what they are. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I'm part of a group that can get 10-11 people together to do something just about any time I'm online very easily. That means it's possible to get an incursion group together that can put a VG fleet up any time. Just because it's too hard for you to do doesn't mean it's impossible.

Gathering people to do what you want as a personal favor to yourself isn't the same as joining groups who actually want to run incursions. The later had long gone back home to their whs and null ratting havens. The former isn't going to be on your beck and call repeatedly.

Who said anything about personal favors?

What happened to people "doing incursions for the social aspect, not the isk?"

I'm sure that there are enough people still doing incursions to put up at least one VG fleet 24/7. It's up to you to corral enough of them so you can get a fleet going. (PS, I think the Incursion Shiny Network's still going).

Who said anything about personal favors?

What happened to people "doing incursions for the social aspect, not the isk?"

I'm sure that there are enough people still doing incursions to put up at least one VG fleet 24/7. It's up to you to corral enough of them so you can get a fleet going. (PS, I think the Incursion Shiny Network's still going).

@Herr Ronin - Just as a benchmark for purposes of this thread, could you give us some info on what your fleets are typically bringing in (ISK per hour) when running VGs and also when running Assaults? The changes have been in effect for weeks now and I suspect people have had enough time to refine their VG/Assault running to the point where the ISK/hr has more or less stabilized.

Post blitz nerf, a Legion vg fleet can run a NCO every 10 minutes. That's ~55mil per hour, after the initial 3 hours that it takes to get a fleet...

@Herr Ronin - Just as a benchmark for purposes of this thread, could you give us some info on what your fleets are typically bringing in (ISK per hour) when running VGs and also when running Assaults? The changes have been in effect for weeks now and I suspect people have had enough time to refine their VG/Assault running to the point where the ISK/hr has more or less stabilized.

stuff

100m/hr is complete BS, since the change I have never even come close to that in my best hour, let alone if I averaged it out. If you want to spout BS about "isk/hr" and cherry pick, how about I do that.

Vanguard + Assault fleets get about 0 isk/hr, because I've sat in a fleet (more than once) for around an hour waiting for more logistics and made 0 isk.

I was refering to Apolyon using it as EVERYONE gets 100mil/hr, not that your numbers were false Herr Ronin. I hate when people use outliers to make their arguments and ISN is definitely an outlier right now :)

FFF, I just averaged out my time on the last 3 hours I spent actively RUNNING vg sites (only fleet that was up when I was on) I made about 40 mil/hr. Mostly OTAs, but what the heck am I doing?

I was refering to Apolyon using it as EVERYONE gets 100mil/hr, not that your numbers were false Herr Ronin. I hate when people use outliers to make their arguments and ISN is definitely an outlier right now :)

FFF, I just averaged out my time on the last 3 hours I spent actively RUNNING vg sites (only fleet that was up when I was on) I made about 40 mil/hr. Mostly OTAs, but what the heck am I doing?

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

naww little carebear rage quit emo sh*t again ?

Cool we dont need you anyway.

Wow, the insecurity displayed by some of you...

I think there is still some confusion with regards to the reasons for the rollback.
(snip)
Also, it's worth noting that we are rolling back the 10% reward reduction. This is not the same thing as increasing the current payout by 10%. eg: 1000 reduced by 10% = 900 which becomes the new payout amount - so 900 increased by 10% is 990

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

Well the main problem at the minute is the Numbers numbers that are willing to join [a] fleet, There is are a lot of people who have gone back to Mining mining, Mission mission running etc[.] Just just [be]cause the isk isn't that good, But but when we do get a fleet up it is very smooth,. In Assaults we have to take more Bio Breaks bio breaks etc, Which which cause's causes us to lose Isk per hour ratio.

Assaults: 90-100 Mill Depending the Site Spawns.

Vanguards: 70-80 Mill Due to the OTA Sites.


Regarding the 10% Un-Nerf, It isn't going to change a thing,. It is CCP's fault that people are doing it just for Isk, isk. They have left it for to too long to make a change.

For instance its it's like Riding a Fireblade, Then then getting told you got to use a 125cc, In in my opinion, They they have ruined Incursions, All the changes etc, It would not matter as much if they changed it like a year ago, But but people do Incursions for the Isk isk, Not not the Social social aspect, yes its a Bonus bonus but lets let's get the facts.

For instance, I joined a TVP HQ fleet, Yeh Yeah it was a good laugh, But but 1 site per hour, 35 Mill or whatever the payout is, I can make 140 mill per hour Ice Mining ice mining, Ask ask yourself, What what would you choose.?


Incursions are dead unless they make some dramatic changes, CCP are doing all they can, But but the changes will take to too long and people would of have left before they make made them better, For. For now[,] Incursions are dead imo.

Plus,All all the Statistics statistics they have done,Is are all on for the Blitz fleets, So so if you are running in a public fleet,Go go back to Mission mission running and join a an Active active corp if you want to have a social time.


But for the love of God, Enough enough of the pointless dramatic incursions threads, They, they changed it in May, Learn learn to let go.

FYP. For the love of God learn to speak English! Please, I'm begging you. In every single one of your posts you average over FOUR spelling, punctuation, capitalization or grammatical mistakes!

CCP, how about starting a PLEX for Herr Ronin ESL charity course? He actually thinks he knows the English language, and he does not. Talk about the Dunning-Kruger Effect, Herr Ronin personifies it in regard to his mastery (or lack thereof) of the English language.

P.S. What is Riding a Fireblade?

P.P.S. What's a 125cc? Is that like a drug thing?

I see some confusion with the Developers math with this 'rollback'.
Before the 10% Escalation NERF the payouts were 10.5 million and now they are 10.395 million for Hi Sec incursions.
Hmmmm lets do the math: 10.5-(10.5*.1)=9.45 9.45+(9.45*.1)= guess what 10.395
You did the exact thing you said you would not be doing.

I came back this weekend after a 2 week break hoping to see some improvements. All I see is BAD QA
I won't even mention here the other QA catastrophies of Escalation/Inferno.

A Fireblade is a motorbike. 125cc is 125 cubic centimeters, which is an engine capacity, generally a lot smaller than a Fireblades engine. More like a bike that new riders might ride.

You also missed a few of his errors:

Riding = riding
getting told = being told
got to use = have to use
All the changes = all the changes

It is easy to make mistakes, so next time make sure you do a good job of correcting someone before you slip up too.

Wow, and you even managed to remove all of your "I quit" posts.

seeing this thread still on front page makes me sad.

Also, it's worth noting that we are rolling back the 10% reward reduction. This is not the same thing as increasing the current payout by 10%. eg: 1000 reduced by 10% = 900 which becomes the new payout amount - so 900 increased by 10% is 990

ETA on a rework please, OTA walls hurt my Rokh

But seriously, I don't think it's working as intended when logis instapop on a volley...

Cheers,
Tak

I knew someone would troll that, but I'll bite. Post your OTA Basi t2 fit (t2, as in no faction mods etc.) that tanks the opening Alpha npnp.

Cheers,
Tak

seeing this thread still on front page makes me sad.

Don't be sad - just few months of The Secret World, End of Nations, MechWarrior Onine, World of Tanks left to wait till actual vanguards un-nerf.

http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=fit&id=11

While the OTA sites are very long, the above logi should have no issue while orbiting its anchor in an OTA. This being said, fleet survival tends to rest on a competent FC & solid fleet comp. Not to imply faction BS or faction fit BS either, merely T2 fittings, & solid pilots in T1 or T2 BS.

Edit: Above fit might want to drop the CDFE for another ACR while switching the RCU for a PDS. At Logi V it'll let you fit a 5/1 mixed repper type setup if you're flying with a Logi V partner.

Its just a pain i know!

Try to avoid OTA's if you can at this point.

Have you tried Assaults?

ETA on a rework please, OTA walls hurt my Rokh

But seriously, I don't think it's working as intended when logis instapop on a volley...

Cheers,
Tak

http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=fit&id=11

While the OTA sites are very long, the above logi should have no issue while orbiting its anchor in an OTA. This being said, fleet survival tends to rest on a competent FC & solid fleet comp. Not to imply faction BS or faction fit BS either, merely T2 fittings, & solid pilots in T1 or T2 BS.

Edit: Above fit might want to drop the CDFE for another ACR while switching the RCU for a PDS. At Logi V it'll let you fit a 5/1 mixed repper type setup if you're flying with a Logi V partner.

I've already stated we have plans to fix OTAs :)

(snip)
Also, it's worth noting that we are rolling back the 10% reward reduction. This is not the same thing as increasing the current payout by 10%. eg: 1000 reduced by 10% = 900 which becomes the new payout amount - so 900 increased by 10% is 990

tl/dr the above is incorrect :


So CCP Affinity can you please comment on why Hi SEC Incursions now pay 10.395 million after the 'rollback' when pre Escalation they paid 10.5 million?
I've known a few people that filled out petitions that the GM replies where: Working as Intended. Yet obviously from what you said above it was not. I would not doubt that a few people have fillled out bug reports too but those take at least 1 month plus for even the simplest reply from my experience.
I personally didn't either filling out a petition or bug report because the 1% difference is less then a drop in the bucket compared to the real issue of the probably 80% nerf the other changes created