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Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2012.06.13 17:26:00 -
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subject says it all. i can't install evemon on my work systep thanks to no .NET installation or something similar. eft works fine, in comparison, thanks to basically no install program or registry keys required. anyone know of a program that allows for skill planning? implants and remapping a plus. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:33:00 -
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I got my first skillplanner at Walmart. It was in the school supplies section, listed as a 'notebook'.
As for online apps: I seriously dont know of another app besides Evemon. |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:39:00 -
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har! har! worthless post is worthless.
someone sent me a mail about the Ships Skills Planner, which i can't use because i can't access the api to get my skills, and the Mobile Skills Planner, which is a phone app and something i can't use at work. anyone got any other suggestions?
edit: got another mail about evehq, which requires an installation as well. |
Allyria Kylari
Blue asteroids
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:18:00 -
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Just look up the formulas and calculate them yourself. You can do it in Excel. It's much much easier now without learning skills to optimize training plans for. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:14:00 -
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Just figure out which modules you need to be able to use. You can use the notepad in-game to jot down which skills you need so you can remember. If you jot down the module name next to the skill, it'll help you remember why you want it, and how badly you want it. Then you can glance through your notepad when you need to pick a skill to put in the queue.
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
-Mittens |
Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:46:00 -
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I don't know if anyone told you but EVEMon can run from a USB stick (the installer is just for the ease of things).
http://wiki.battleclinic.com/index.php/EVEMonPortable
The ugly part for you though may be the fact that EVEMon since 1.3.4 requires that .NET 4 is installed on the machine (full not the client version).
Still though you will need access to API so I guess even this way, you won't be able to use EVEMon for anything other than the planner. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:47:00 -
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Eve Mon and Eve HQ are the standards.
Maybe your not ment to worry about such things at work.  |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:13:00 -
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Allyria Kylari wrote:Just look up the formulas and calculate them yourself. You can do it in Excel. It's much much easier now without learning skills to optimize training plans for.
yes, it's so much easier to track 400 skills in excel with all the requisite data. how could i have not realized this?
the idea isn't to track one simple plan. it's to fotz with a bunch of different plans until i figure out what i want. something like excel really takes the balls from a tool designed for this.
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Just figure out which modules you need to be able to use. You can use the notepad in-game to jot down which skills you need so you can remember. If you jot down the module name next to the skill, it'll help you remember why you want it, and how badly you want it. Then you can glance through your notepad when you need to pick a skill to put in the queue.
if i can't install .NET at work, what makes you think that i can play the game there?
Desmont McCallock wrote:I don't know if anyone told you but EVEMon can run from a USB stick (the installer is just for the ease of things). http://wiki.battleclinic.com/index.php/EVEMonPortableThe ugly part for you though may be the fact that EVEMon since 1.3.4 requires that .NET 4 is installed on the machine (full not the client version). Still though you will need access to API so I guess even this way, you won't be able to use EVEMon for anything other than the planner.
this is better information, honestly, but i think it still wouldn't help because i can't get .NET on there. i didn't know you could portable-ize it.
Ireland VonVicious wrote:Eve Mon and Eve HQ are the standards. Maybe your not ment to worry about such things at work.
i use it on breaks and my lunch. although, i forgot about evehq completely! i'll give that a shot. |
Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:33:00 -
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I had an answer but your attitude put me off sorry. |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:52:00 -
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sorry for requesting that people use their brain. enjoy that knowledge.
still haven't tested evehq. will look at it later today when i'm not so busy. |
Lukriss
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:56:00 -
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gtkevemon. |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:31:00 -
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this also looks tasty. i'll try them both out. |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:53:00 -
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eveHQ requires SQL Servier, GTKEveMon requires GTKmm library. both need admin approval for install.
still looking =/ |
Col Arran
Cygni Mira Conglomerate
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:24:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:sorry for requesting that people use their brain. enjoy that knowledge.
Says the one who scoffed at doing the calculations manually and wants a script to do it all for him. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.17 22:02:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I got my first skillplanner at Walmart. It was in the school supplies section, listed as a 'notebook'.
As for online apps: I seriously dont know of another app besides Evemon.
I like the yellow legal pad better.
Oh, and if you are unhappy with the current, user provided applications, this might be your time to shine, as a user, by providing a skill planner that never needs admin access.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Srioghal moDhream
B and T Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:40:00 -
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1.) install on home computer
2.)leave computer on all day
3.)port forwarding to your computer on router
4.)?????
5.)remote desktop 4tw |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:09:00 -
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Srioghal moDhream wrote:1.) install on home computer
2.)leave computer on all day
3.)port forwarding to your computer on router
4.)?????
5.)remote desktop 4tw
blocked at work. already tried it =)
Col Arran wrote:Wingmate wrote:sorry for requesting that people use their brain. enjoy that knowledge. Says the one who scoffed at doing the calculations manually and wants a script to do it all for him.
because there's a ton of correlation between having ~400 skills, their train times, my current implant settings, and a pencil and paper, and a computer program that you use to manage numbers, remap attributes, and automatically handle calculations when on your break. looooove it.
RubyPorto wrote:Oh, and if you are unhappy with the current, user provided applications, this might be your time to shine, as a user, by providing a skill planner that never needs admin access.
it's starting to look like i'll have to do that =/ i was hoping to find something already, even an excel sheet that could handle it, but everything's designed around the .NET libraries or some other utility. |
GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:37:00 -
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Use logmein to see your computer at home, and run evemon there. All you need is but a single tab on your browser
Bonus: plans are always 'synced' between work and home, and anyone inspecting the machine wont find anything.
What do I win? |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:05:00 -
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logmein as a site is blocked, along with all other RDP-type technologies. i tried windows RDP, logmein, teamviewer, VNC, and a few others.
good try though - i hadn't actually tested logmein, but it still doesn't work =/ |
Srioghal moDhream
B and T Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:08:00 -
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Usa a proxy to get to logmein |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:11:00 -
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proxies will get me fired. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:20:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:proxies will get me fired.
Get a better job, or don't use EvEmon at work? 
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Srioghal moDhream
B and T Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:21:00 -
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make friends with a sys admin.
Also if using proxies will get you fired, what makes you think using evemon or the like won't? |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:24:00 -
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because EFT is totally fine. it doesn't access the internet (if you disable that feature), and it has no installation.
and ruby, working on it -_- |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:30:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:proxies will get me fired.
You either work for the defense department (or contractor), or a really crummy employer.
Have you considered buying a personal laptop / netbook? |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:41:00 -
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proxies are always against company policies, since they allow for unsupervised access to the internet. if you don't realize that, well, maybe you should read your access policy. that said, yes, i work for a company where data security is excessively controlled. my network access is necessarily limited.
i don't own a laptop, unfortunately. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:47:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:because EFT is totally fine. it doesn't access the internet (if you disable that feature), and it has no installation.
and ruby, working on it -_-
Well then I guess the only solution is to stop goofing off at work.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:03:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Wingmate wrote:because EFT is totally fine. it doesn't access the internet (if you disable that feature), and it has no installation.
and ruby, working on it -_- Well then I guess the only solution is to stop goofing off at work.
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Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:08:00 -
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i use this stuff on breaks. not really goofing off at work, but that's ok =) |
Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:30:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:har! har! worthless post is worthless.
someone sent me a mail about the Ships Skills Planner, which i can't use because i can't access the api to get my skills, and the Mobile Skills Planner, which is a phone app and something i can't use at work. anyone got any other suggestions?
edit: got another mail about evehq, which requires an installation as well.
You can't use your own smartphone at work? Or you do not own one?
Also for the home RPD thing, change the ports it uses at home, and adjust your local RPD clients port used to the same and it should make it past the firewall. Although if proxies would get your fired, accessing an outside network would probably get your fired as well. But I'm not your network admin. |
Srioghal moDhream
B and T Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:32:00 -
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This is true, Aura for your phone is not too bad at all. |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:20:00 -
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i can use Aura, yes, but it's pretty clunky to use, and i'd prefer it to be an application at best.
ezra - tried fotzing with ports already. the protocol itself is disabled, not just the ports. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:15:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:i can use Aura, yes, but it's pretty clunky to use, and i'd prefer it to be an application at best.
ezra - tried fotzing with ports already. the protocol itself is disabled, not just the ports.
This is now a choose your own adventure.
Page 1.
What you're looking for does not currently exist.
If you choose to create your own software to fulfill your need, turn to page 4
If you choose to give up an take a clunky option with your iPhone, turn to page 3
If you choose to ask for someone else to write software to fulfill your need, turn to page 5
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:48:00 -
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yep, it's looking like i'll have to make something myself. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:yep, it's looking like i'll have to make something myself.
You have chosen page 4.
You have selected the Way of the Hero.
If you have significant programming and database experience, turn to page 10
If you do not, turn to page 11
If you do not have unlimited free time, regardless of the above, turn to page 12
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:27:00 -
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turning to page 12, with my finger in page 11 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.22 01:50:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:turning to page 12, with my finger in page 11
You have chosen PaperCut. The book runs red in your blood.
Page 12
You do not have unlimited free time. Estimated date of product delivery; June 2015.
Page 11
You do not have the experience to do this project on time or on budget, you learn the equivalent of a 4 year CS degree in 6, but in the process you go insane and are committed, having never finished the project.
Real advice, try a spreadsheet for a subset of the skill system first. Skip dealing with any sort of queue optimization and just focus on being able to find accurate training times of a varied skill queue with user definable mappings. It's going to be ugly and hard to work with.
IFF you enjoyed doing this, go to the next step.
Next step, refine and expand the spreadsheet. Focus on making it easier to work with and more complete.
Once you have it complete and relatively easy to work with, make it look decent.
Somewhere above here, add an API pull. This will require learning about EvE's API system in depth.
Now, park everything you learned on a shelf, because you need to learn how to write code (you've done a TON of programming in the above steps with excel). Pick a language (get advice on which, and you may be limited due to your work computers).
Now, take that learning off the shelf, and build a program that uses the data in a similar way to the excel sheet you made. Only at this point will you likely be able to do queue optimization.
Then, learn to build GUIs and make one for your program. (Optional but Recommended: Release to Public)
Finally, maintain your program as people find bugs and EvE's database changes.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2012.06.23 19:15:00 -
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Or wait till Windows 8 gets released and persuade your admin to buy you a license and install it on your machine or make the company buy new HW with Win8 pre-installed.
Why?
Cause Windows 8 has .NET 4 as default and EVEMon runs installation free. |
Erastus Kaan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:39:00 -
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If youve got an iPad you can use EVEuniverse. You can import your skill plans from evemon to it for review. This functionality would be greatly improved if your office had either WIFI or you had 3g as you would have full access to the skill planner and market etc....
Probably not what you were looking for, but I thought I would throw it out there. |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:37:00 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Or wait till Windows 8 gets released and persuade your admin to buy you a license and install it on your machine or make the company buy new HW with Win8 pre-installed.
Why?
Cause Windows 8 has .NET 4 as default and EVEMon runs installation free.
we're still on XP =( |
Captain Bongman
Demonic Retribution
Good Sax
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:43:00 -
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VNC or RPC over SSH tunnel. |
Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company
Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:53:00 -
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Paper Notebook and pen.
List the skills you wana train next! |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.03 14:57:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:subject says it all. i can't install evemon on my work systep thanks to no .NET installation or something similar. eft works fine, in comparison, thanks to basically no install program or registry keys required. anyone know of a program that allows for skill planning? implants and remapping a plus.
No .NET installation, but can you install a VM? Because you can install .NET inside the VM and use it there :). Your sysadmin should know what to do! |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.07.03 15:12:00 -
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this thread won't die =)
paper and pen doesn't allow me to fiddle with attributes and implants.
i probably can use a VM, but that's a really, really complex way of doing this. i'll stick with aura for the time being and fotz with making my own, whether through an excel sheet or otherwise. |
Charlie Jacobson
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Posted - 2012.07.18 07:36:00 -
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Can you use Java at work? I know TightVNC lets you host a server that you can access in your browser. You could probably even configure it to run on port 80. |
Wingmate
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Posted - 2012.07.18 13:23:00 -
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necro |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:57:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:this thread won't die =)
paper and pen doesn't allow me to fiddle with attributes and implants.
Sure it does. It's just harder. With Excel, it's a little easier, since you can let it do the math for you, but it's possible to do it with paper and pen (a calculator might be handy, though).
-RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Charlie Jacobson
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:40:00 -
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The skills forum must be really dead, 'cause this thread was still high up on the first page when I necroed it.
Also:
Wingmate wrote:this thread won't die =)
:D |
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