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SaorAlba
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:36:00 -
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It's the Amarr who are the slaves.
Yes you read it right. We, the Amarr are the real slaves. We are kept on a tight leash
only to open a new farm ground by taking a system for the Minmatar to harvest. The Amarr have so few systems left that we under the current game mechanics we can't recover.
So what is left for the Amarr?
- 24th LP shop is dead. Nothing there is worth buying anymore since there are no Exclusive 24th items to get. This means I can get an navy slicer cheaper in Jita then I can get it from my own shop! - Plexing for LP is therefore worthless. If you do go out plexing you are mostly splitting up rewards as the mediums and majors can't be soloed by the Amarr. - Level 4 Faction war missions are also worthless. You can't pickup enough of them due the loss of many systems with an l4 in it, and you can't dock to speak with the agent. - Plexing for tags is the only thing left. Again you find you self fighting for bones and then you have to make it back to that special place where you are allowed to dock. Only the medium and large are worth doing here.
To be honest. Any Amarr plexing now is a fool. Every system you take back yields the tards another 20 bil. If you must plex then plex there key systems wich they wanne keep and will deplex or your doing it wrong. So what should we do. I think we should give up all our systems. We should fall back to empire space. Let the Tards have it all. We generate not enough income to sustain the habbit. We have no appeal to anybody coming from outside. Tard numbers are allready skyrocketing since every farmer with half a brain is joining them. Let the Amarr tard war die. When they have all our systems they can run l4 missions in there stealth bombers 24/7. Fine with me, since CCP is just scratching there asses anyway. The quicker we give it up the sooner the fix. Let it all go and lay back. You can still do pvp. You can still dock in Amarr space.
Amarr victor, and give another 20 bil to the enemy F00Ls. Wake TF up.
Alba, over and out |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:43:00 -
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normally i would be tempted to write some poignant variation of 'man the fuck up'. in this case though, this would be absolutely inappropriate as the OP is factually right about pretty much everything he said. the only valid reason to plex for amarr is to allow your minmatar alt to counterplex.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
91
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:11:00 -
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Why would CCP fix it? War doesn't have to be 50/50 balanced as what would be the point of the whole system if one side couldn't beat another?
Anyhow as far as dropping systems, not plexing, moving to highsec and just fighting:
Given I've never moved into lowsec and mostly plex by accident sure why not as you say beats feeding people ISK (ofc they'd make their own Amarr alts to cap systems if required) but the whole LP thing sounds boringly like working anyhow so sure why not.
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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
262
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:51:00 -
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Im glad, now you can fell how we have felt for years, though we dont force you to do anything. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:54:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:normally i would be tempted to write some poignant variation of 'man the fuck up'. in this case though, this would be absolutely inappropriate as the OP is factually right about pretty much everything he said. the only valid reason to plex for amarr is to allow your minmatar alt to counterplex.
My Winmatar alts plex in Black Rise. It's utterly empty and you can afk them.
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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
79
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:04:00 -
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Although there's close competition, based on his dedication leading up to and in the aftermath of the patch, SaorAlba's the man who have should most have the names of systems in Devoid pinned to his chest. He just needed a few more in the militia who could recognize the names of those systems, back when you could take/decontest a system in one TZ and the bunker fight was consequently the most critical moment instead of the sideshow it is now.
So in respect for his post, this is (part of) what Faction Warfare needs in the next iteration:
1. Abolish the tier system; tie rewards and prices directly to warzone control. This does not mean "buff Amarr LP"; this means "buff improvements to warzone control". A single extra system under the flag, a single upgrade level to a single system, should matter, should be something worth seizing or denying the enemy. Better circumstances should be better; presently, they are not even neutral, but they are actually immediately worse for the 'benefiting' militia. Meanwhile, the 'harmed' militia - the militia that just lost the system, or that observed a newly hardened enemy system, is immediately benefited by this fact. Under the tier system you have to help your enemy every day with the hope in your heart of eventually finally hurting him in some way. It's ridiculous. It supports what SaorAlba says.
2. Make bunker fights not a sideshow again. I'm fuzzier about how you do this, but here's one obviously problematic way that you can work with: if a system goes vulnerable, and then is still not lost by DT, then after DT it will be only 20% contested. To defeat a massed enemy that was poised to seize a system of yours, this should be punctuated with a "**** you, this is ours." to the defeated, and not "*sigh* ... OK guys, remember to try to decontest this, it doesn't have to take us five whole days..." to the victors.
Does that make enough sense? |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
91
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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It's not got anything to do with not giving a damn although I don't really care as my ships cost me 1.2 million ISK roughly
Soundwave said before inferno that if you lose you lose that's the way it's designed, seriously losing all our space is supposed to be painful if we're getting curb stomped then we can't expect to make money out of it.
Things I would balance are NPC's i.e. all NPC's should need to be killed and should web etc and I do I think the t1 pricing is probably too harsh and t5 to good but the general principle of lost your territory you're broke compared to the other guy is sound. |
Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
529
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:30:00 -
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Thinking maybe the Amarr shouldjust join the Caldari and come get some! Who needs 4 militias! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
529
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:32:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:Thinking maybe the Amarr should just join the Caldari and come get some! Who needs 4 militias!
P.S.
I thought TEST were going to help you win FW? -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
79
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:35:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Soundwave said before inferno that if you lose you lose that's the way it's designed, seriously losing all our space is supposed to be painful if we're getting curb stomped then we can't expect to make money out of it.
Amarr never lost. They never got curb stomped. There was no Battle of Labapi. There was no Battle of Oyonata. There are no crippled veterans. There are no bleeding battle reports. There was nothing, just a memory of white static, and then the day dawned on a pre-lost, pre-curb stomped reality.
I hope this partially absurd way of explaining the situation saves me from having to seriously explain it; it comes to the same damned thing.
Anyway, we're here, and the present situation is that if you fight for Amarr then, in order to achieve your long-run goal of maybe one day making things better for your militia, you must toil every day to make things immediately better for the Minmatar militia. Does that strike you as odd? Hopefully it can strike you as odd independently of your sober understanding of Amarrian defeat. |
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Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
91
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:39:00 -
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You should just quit and go do something else. |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
262
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
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To be fair, there is one ajustment there serious needs to be added.
As alliances and corporations outside militia tend to help friends in FW, they ofcause gets a faction lose for killing militia. But who cares about this faction lose as they tend to be -10 anyway for doing missions in the systems they live in.
So to limit the numbers of outsiders the docking rule and faction warefare rules should count for everyone within EVE.
Saying im -10 to the Amarr empire (-6 with my skills added) and i support the minmatar faction warfare. Should i be allowed to dock i those stations. Im not allowed in Amarr Empire, and if i go there the navy will chase me down.
It would make Faction warfare worth more for everyone, and reduce the outside help for those who dont wana lower their faction standings.
Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
79
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:You should just quit and go do something else.
I did. I am. When you get around to noticing anything I've said about how FW can be improved, feel free to attempt some kind of reply to it. |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:55:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:You should just quit and go do something else.
But he is so good at crying for help |
SaorAlba
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:05:00 -
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just took my coercer for a round trip. Nothing but LP farmers ( mostly Russian) speed tanking plexes. You move in and they move out. I got a decent belt rat to help crank up my sec. So much for pvp in plexes. Funny while the coercer is this cool ship offering free pvp to anybody at a risk free. Thx ccp for this one med slot destroyer. I guess that if you want to **** up one of the four you made new it better be the Amarr one for giggles and traditation. oh god, forbid me to ever fly up to Island because I might grap somebody at the throat
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2240
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:22:00 -
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Now if I was the op I'd be a bit miffed with my fellow Amarrian FW brothers joining the TLF with alts and doing a lot of the plexing against the Amarrian effort. That kind of thing is not really helping your position in the warzone.
That said, I do support a rapid iteration on plex NPCs to bring a bit of balance to the warzone.
CCP have shown they can fix "problems" with the War System in a couple of weeks when it hurts the big guys. Lets see some attention through to FW on this scale and urgency.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
96
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:03:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Now if I was the op I'd be a bit miffed with my fellow Amarrian FW brothers joining the TLF with alts and doing a lot of the plexing against the Amarrian effort. That kind of thing is not really helping your position in the warzone.
It's primarily missions tbh. If you want to plex for isk the best bet is to use a TLIB alt in Black Rise running Caldari plexes. Same LP rewards, but less hassle and more systems. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
462
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:29:00 -
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SaorAlba wrote:To be honest. Any Amarr plexing now is a fool. Every system you take back yields the tards another 20 bil. If you must plex then plex there key systems wich they wanne keep and will deplex or your doing it wrong.
This is where you are making a big mistake.
There are no "key" systems. You guys keep talking that way, because you might like to imagine there is, but there isn't.
Amarr can easilly turn this around. But we keep fighting in a way that is easilly contained by the minmatar in imaginary "key piplines." This means the few minmatar players willing to do the defensive work for no pay 1) have a limitted amount of ground to cover and 2) they will have protection of their blobs during certain time periods to do it. You guys flipping systems right next to their base are the ones feeding them lp.
That is not to say that we do not have good reason to only plex in the busy systems. We do that mainly for the pvp.
But if we really wanted to win this war we would get in our pve ships and start taking back water systems to vulnerable or close to vulnerable but not flipping them. Then once a large number are close like that we would do a push to flip the lot of them.
Ammarr will have large amounts of lp that were saved up whereas the minmatar will have spent their lp. The economics will then swing to the amarr.
Its pretty straight forward strategy that is why I don't mind posting it here.
The problem is no one wants to do that much pve. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:53:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Why would CCP fix it? War doesn't have to be 50/50 balanced as what would be the point of the whole system if one side couldn't beat another? war also doesn't have to be entertaining but when i play a game i want to have fun. being outmatched to the point where anything you do benefits the enemy more than yourself is not fun. if this trend continues, there might not be any FW left because all players on one side throw the towel. CCP would not want that and neither would you.
P.S.: just fyi, blizzard had to merge WoW servers several times because on some of them, one side would become so much stronger that the other side literally disbanded and transferred away.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Ramon Sohei
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP Villore Accords
4
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:55:00 -
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You should ask Caldari for help. Oh wait, most of them coming back to Caldari now (except Wolfsbrigade).
Some Gallente corps helping Minmatar militia at the moment. Maybe Caldari needs to help you guys a little. Damar Rocarion is a good plexer. Maybe he can help you guys out. |
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
278
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:05:00 -
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If the war is over on your front, can you send some more Minmatar our way? There's plenty of Caldari systems that need to be farmed. |
Shylari Avada
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
25
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:12:00 -
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SaorAlba wrote: So what is left for the Amarr?
- 24th LP shop is dead. Nothing there is worth buying anymore since there are no Exclusive 24th items to get. This means I can get an navy slicer cheaper in Jita then I can get it from my own shop! - Plexing for LP is therefore worthless. If you do go out plexing you are mostly splitting up rewards as the mediums and majors can't be soloed by the Amarr. - Level 4 Faction war missions are also worthless. You can't pickup enough of them due the loss of many systems with an l4 in it, and you can't dock to speak with the agent. - Plexing for tags is the only thing left. Again you find you self fighting for bones and then you have to make it back to that special place where you are allowed to dock. Only the medium and large are worth doing here.
It's people like you that are the downfall of the Amarr Militia, for every one person trying to motivate people to encourage, there's a dozen of you bitter try-hard risk-averse nerds heralding the end of time in Militia Chat (which nobody should really read, but the newbros in IC24 don't have much of a choice).
Instead of whining all day, why not go out and do something? Just keep your mouth ******* shut and let the people who are enjoying what the are doing continue to enjoy it. Its a game, not everyone wants to log in and read your drivel as to why we will never win the war and how much money it yeilds the Minmatar, some of us just don't give a ****.
Not everything is a competition- go have fun; if you're not enjoying your time in FW, go do something else. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:28:00 -
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This is war, and there is nothing for CCP to fix. This has worked beautifully, and I say this as a long time vested Amarr Ally. Bottom line, is you are beaten. On a fundamental level your will to fight has been destroyed. This much is evidenced from your post. You, and people like you are clearly not fit to take up arms, and, as you say, are now destined to become servile dogs and Lackeys of the Minmatar., your women carted off to their pleasure houses for their vast standing armies, your children made cup-bearers , or worse, for their officers.
That you declare yourself defeated before the last system has fallen, before Minmatar has taken them all and then held them for months turns my stomach.
When someone with new ideas, with a new way to wage war, with an iron will that he can impose on Amarr militia, with a vision of how to move forward, who can inspire men to fight, then, Amarr can make a fight of it. With guys like you, with your attitude, yes, you are beaten.
I get the point that you are screwed and dont reall have the means to wage an effective war at the momonent. But evem from where i sait on the other side of the galaxy I can think of 50 things Amarr can do to make a fight of it, and to attack the minmatar in both their wallet and their spirit.
You guys need a real leader, one who isnt constrained by pre-existing ideas of how factional warfare should be fought. Make your money elsewhere, and prepare and launch an offensive.Recruit. degrade their systems so their LP is worth **** even if you cant take them. Attack their mission running hubs.Do SOMETHING.
They can take every system and the war is not over if your will to fight is intact.you can have 11 systems, and you are done if you do not have the will to fight.......
Either way, CCP shouldnt fix anything.you got beat fair and square. and was your own fault for not going on the offensive 6 weeks before the patch came out so you would have a chance like caldari did.Gallente hold more systems, our LP is worth ****, but I dont think ANYONE besides Gallente trolls would say Caldari is dead or finished.Old faces return to militia every day.This war is far from over. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
122
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:37:00 -
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You're ignoring the very important changes upcoming: The removal of EWAR on rats on the 19th.
Once this is done, you can go out and solo opposing plexes in pvp ships just like the minmatar can.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
252
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:58:00 -
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So........let me get this straight.
Instead of doing something about your situation, and putting some sort of effort to make your situation better. You're Essentually relying on CCP to come in do it for you...
I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.) ... |
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:59:00 -
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I think this is why Hans was for a system reset before he was against it. Only thing I can say is get your income through other methods and farm LP for later use.
Your phone booth of a warzone is a lot easier to get your control up than ours is. We down-on-our-luck Caldari got to tier 3 for about an hour this morning and a bunch of us were able to buy navy scorps and sell them off before the buy orders could adjust. I had a scorp collecting dust in hi sec, so I a got a cool 400 mil spending less than a quarter of my LP.
And if the Minmatar are blobbing in the bottom half of the warzone, go live in Akkio or Gultratren and make them divide their forces to defend systems.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Shylari Avada
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
26
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:02:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:I think this is why Hans was for a system reset before he was against it. Only thing I can say is get your income through other methods and farm LP for later use.
Your phone booth of a warzone is a lot easier to get your control up than ours is. We down-on-our-luck Caldari got to tier 3 for about an hour this morning and a bunch of us were able to buy navy scorps and sell them off before the buy orders could adjust. I had a scorp collecting dust in hi sec, so I a got a cool 400 mil spending less than a quarter of my LP.
And if the Minmatar are blobbing in the bottom half of the warzone, go live in Akkio or Gultratren and make them divide their forces to defend systems.
Actually they are getting their asses handed to them, and crying about 'ECM and Blobbing' more often than not.
*Shrug* BIG PLAYS! |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:02:00 -
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SaorAlba wrote:It's the Amarr who are the slaves. .... Alba, over and out
The Amarr front is of course in bad state, but doesn't mean it can't be turned around given time.
Perhaps at this time, the best option is to assist Caldari forces whom are dealing with both Gallente & Minmatar until Amarr can rebuild. Caldari has come a long way in a very short time over the last few months and we have been holding our own both on the PVP & Sov war front vs Gallente and the new influx of Minmatar farmers.
Come help your Caldari Allies & help us take all the Galentte space then when the hoards of farmer alts join Caldari they will end up farming Minmatar space which will then give Amarr the needed plexers to start recapturing their systems.
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Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:05:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote: I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.)
Funny how the only ones I see bringing up religion in gaming forums are the ones who have an apparent disdain for it. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
252
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:09:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.)
Funny how the only ones I see bringing up religion in gaming forums are the ones who have an apparent disdain for it.
I have no issues with religion at all actually. It's just their followers that annoy me... ... |
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