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Will Hunter Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 13/11/2009 15:32:44 Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 13/11/2009 13:52:10 Like every change to gameplay, another addition to the already overwhelming array of 0.0 sovereignty counters, installations, Player Owned Stations and other doo-hickeys that CCP intend to add to the game will have a drastic effect on your average alliance infrastucture. Supposedly, the introduction of the new sovereignty structures are supposed to command the new "wave of change" of how current 0.0 alliance empires run, that is, any current power bloc or NAP-train that exists in 0.0 today, and furthermore, all relatively smaller alliances in empire who wish to expand into player-owned space. Let us imagine from the point of view of an alliance who has failed miserably at engaging other alliances in player-controlled space, and now must live a tortured existence of missioning and wistful glances at the daunting yellow, incorrigble alliance across the great divides of space. They YEARN for the succulent pastures of a region they once took for granted, all the while flittering away any hope of their own retribution or salvation from the dreary, apocalyptic scenario that they are now in. I talk about none other than that terrible pubbie-filled, impotent alliance, IT. TL;DR: Help help! They still control our game, how hard we say they don't! It's really quite flattering. :) he made a great post filled with brutal honesty, you on the other part are spewing the same **** you guys have always said and failed to demostrate on the server get back to grinding l4s on your npc corp alts wagga, i bet you want another aeon
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:58:00 - [32] Aeons look pretty cool now, but I don't grind L4s on NPC alts and I wouldn't have to "grind" for it myself either. I never grinded for any of the caps I've flown to date. Also: lol at post getting owned. :)
Kymlicka Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Aeons look pretty cool now, but I don't grind L4s on NPC alts and I wouldn't have to "grind" for it myself either. I never grinded for any of the caps I've flown to date. Also: lol at post getting owned. :) Please, tell me more about how asinine you are, Waagaa. Spare no inane detail of your internet space-biography, because it is important and you are important.
Richyp Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr but I don't grind L4s on NPC alts Chin up Agatha, soon you'll be able to progress from L3's
Eskiban Vlasic Gallente F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:59:00 - [35] I notice Geminate was missing from the list. I predict the irrelevant alliance known as Wildly Inappropriate(dot) will fail to hold the terrible region of Geminate mostly because we're terrible at actually doing anything. It's a miracle we even managed to accidentally take Geminate in the first place. - Vlasic of TW Fame The Suicidal Newb F.R.E.E. Explorer
Cupdeez Caldari Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Sephiroth CloneIIV Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 12/11/2009 22:42:37 I think the idea of paying for sov is messed up, getting fuel for pos's makes sense (if you want to have something running need to give it supplys/energy), but paying concord for a lawless space which they never touch or have no influence in, come on, they don't own it, they barely have a influence in empire space low sec let along nul sec, from a 'realism' or storyline perspective how does it make sense, do evil-npc regions which border nul sec give money to concord (I wouldn't think so, each communicates with each other with lethal force), I would find it hard to imagine the likes of sansha nation or the blood raiders sending envoys to some police force in empire space to give them money to keep in their atrocious pirate empires. Hypothetically a player made organization like goonswarm or another major alliance that regularly disregards concords laws (fitting into eves ongoing story), doing creative things like suicide ganking high sec miners thatÆs even worse then what the NPC pirates do, so should concord which has no presence in their space have a claim to asking for money, and would it make sense for them to ever communicate with them, other then putting up wanted posters? So the idea is messed up, and if price is too high to claim sov in too many areas I think necessary posÆs will stay up without claiming everything and give them more fuel (so much in extra fuel per day may be less then the millions or billions I hear that could be daily). Your not paying concord to hold space. Your paying to setup your own space. You don't have to pay anything for a station. You can shoot it and just take control if you want but on the flip side a large gang can take the station within an hour of just shooting it. So lets recap.... Your paying for the folowing: Space that holds your alliance log/name Space that is more secure Space that can be upgraded to better space Space that can be used to build capitals Infact xxxdeathxxx I would love it if you decided not to drop TCU's/Hubs and just live in 0.0 stations paying 0 fee's for living in that space. This way we could roll in there and shoot your station and make it a COW stations in just a few hours. It would be like the old days of shooting stations before POSs came out.
Cupdeez Caldari Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:27:00 - [37] My predictions: You will see more 500-800 man alliance taking systems (1-5) that are empty because big alliance likes Goons/PL can't afford to have SOV in this many systems. This will cause more smaller fleet fights with different entities. This could turn out to be some good old fight where a 3rd party jumps in and starts shooting the 1st two sides fighting with a possibility of a 4th coming to the show. This will also eliminate big alliance napping each other on other sides of the map. They will no longer be able to travel 65 jumps with a cyno network so they will no longer be able to defend 2 places that faraway. I expect to see more regional fights.. Kinda like Scalding pass versus catch or something along these lines. I'm excited for the patch because I feel like we will all end up getting more PVP and less lag.
Xikulis Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Cupdeez My predictions: You will see more 500-800 man alliance taking systems (1-5) that are empty because big alliance likes Goons/PL can't afford to have SOV in this many systems. This will cause more smaller fleet fights with different entities. This could turn out to be some good old fight where a 3rd party jumps in and starts shooting the 1st two sides fighting with a possibility of a 4th coming to the show. This will also eliminate big alliance napping each other on other sides of the map. They will no longer be able to travel 65 jumps with a cyno network so they will no longer be able to defend 2 places that faraway. I expect to see more regional fights.. Kinda like Scalding pass versus catch or something along these lines. I'm excited for the patch because I feel like we will all end up getting more PVP and less lag. I agree, Pandemic Legion is holding way to much space compared to alliances like Atlas. How does PL manage all those systems with the current SOV requirements?
Cupdeez Caldari Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2009.11.13 20:40:00 - [39] Edited by: Cupdeez on 13/11/2009 20:41:37 Originally by: Xikulis Originally by: Cupdeez My predictions: You will see more 500-800 man alliance taking systems (1-5) that are empty because big alliance like Goons/PL can't afford to have SOV in this many systems. This will cause more smaller fleet fights with different entities. This could turn out to be some good old fight where a 3rd party jumps in and starts shooting the 1st two sides fighting with a possibility of a 4th coming to the show. This will also eliminate big alliance napping each other on other sides of the map. They will no longer be able to travel 65 jumps with a cyno network so they will no longer be able to defend 2 places that faraway. I expect to see more regional fights.. Kinda like Scalding pass versus catch or something along these lines. I'm excited for the patch because I feel like we will all end up getting more PVP and less lag. I agree, Pandemic Legion is holding way to much space compared to alliances like Atlas. How does PL manage all those systems with the current SOV requirements? Did you not read what I typed? big alliance like Goons/PL?? Yes, Atlas falls into the LIKE. Thanks for pointing that out for the people who can't put 1 and 1 together on the big alliances.
Dianabolic Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 21:32:00 - [40] /Agreeing with cupdeez.

Terisan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.14 02:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Kymlicka Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 13/11/2009 15:32:44 Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 13/11/2009 13:52:10 Like every change to gameplay, another addition to the already overwhelming array of 0.0 sovereignty counters, installations, Player Owned Stations and other doo-hickeys that CCP intend to add to the game will have a drastic effect on your average alliance infrastucture. Supposedly, the introduction of the new sovereignty structures are supposed to command the new "wave of change" of how current 0.0 alliance empires run, that is, any current power bloc or NAP-train that exists in 0.0 today, and furthermore, all relatively smaller alliances in empire who wish to expand into player-owned space. Let us imagine from the point of view of an alliance who has failed miserably at engaging other alliances in player-controlled space, and now must live a tortured existence of missioning and wistful glances at the daunting yellow, incorrigble alliance across the great divides of space. They YEARN for the succulent pastures of a region they once took for granted, all the while flittering away any hope of their own retribution or salvation from the dreary, apocalyptic scenario that they are now in. I talk about none other than that terrible pubbie-filled, impotent alliance, IT. TL;DR: Help help! They still control our game, how hard we say they don't! It's really quite flattering. :) So, you're not good at things, eh? Spoiler alert: hammyhamm's prose is an acrostic poem ~
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.14 10:42:00 - [42] It really depends on what figure CCP settles on for the base cost of sov. If cost of sov < (POS fuel savings + effort to hold), then existing alliances will keep their sov claims' after Dec 7th The effort factor has a lot to do with the cost of JB's. For example, a typical pocket full of moon mining towers could be serviced by a single JB branch connecting to the alliance/coalition's main JB backbone If cost of JB branch < (combined POS/moon gold profits + effort to maintain POS), then a JB will get built and the pocket exploited. Current plans would see high cost for JB's without even factoring in fuel Also, the further you get from Empire, the less likely there will be an existing JB connection to add a new JB branch onto So life will get tough for alliances living out in remote places like Omist, Outer Passage, Period Basis. My prediction is that the stronger alliances will migrate closer into Empire and relegate their pets to the less attractive outer regions Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Fwaatcha Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.14 10:47:00 - [43] I would like to state now ,and I am sure most of my allikance would agree, that Cry Havoc lays claim to pf-whatever the F it is right next to Orvolle
Anfros Gallente Swedish Armed Forces The Forgotten.	Posted - 2009.11.16 00:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Originally by: tehsuxOr Providence: Probably goign to stay the same but sylph alliance will be a bit bigger ... Poster really knows what he is talking. Yeah, sure. Yea sure Sylph is going to expand. WTF they cant even pull together a fleet of more than 30 sub BS ships for defence, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO EXPAND????!!!!!!
Arrador Caldari Serenity Ascension Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 00:45:00 - [45] I'd just like to be able to control the region of my arse. Its too wild down there right now.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 02:19:00 - [46] you spelled predictions wrong in the title jus sayin
Schani Kratnorr Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 02:50:00 - [47] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 16/11/2009 02:50:49 As a long time subscriber I am definately looking forward to Dominion. I am not entirely sure how it will play out, but this patch is definately contains the most interesting set of changes in years. - T2 moon materials & production rebalance - New sov. mechanics & upgradable space - Supercap changes & recent server infrastructure upgrades All good things. The point I think I was trying to make is this. I think it is nearly impossible to predict who will claim what. What is clear, is that we are all in for a treat. I look forward to loosing/shooting ships in new and interesting ways - hope you all do as well.
Varg Tepes Caldari Lonetrek trekkers	Posted - 2009.11.16 09:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 16/11/2009 02:50:49 As a long time subscriber I am definately looking forward to Dominion. I am not entirely sure how it will play out, but this patch is definately contains the most interesting set of changes in years. - T2 moon materials & production rebalance - New sov. mechanics & upgradable space - Supercap changes & recent server infrastructure upgrades All good things. The point I think I was trying to make is this. I think it is nearly impossible to predict who will claim what. What is clear, is that we are all in for a treat. I look forward to loosing/shooting ships in new and interesting ways - hope you all do as well. THIS!
Oneiros IV Minmatar B - 12 Stella Polaris.	Posted - 2009.11.16 10:23:00 - [49] Quote: I look forward to loosing/shooting ships in new and interesting ways - hope you all do as well. Yeah if by that you mean intensive ratting, then it's porbably the most accurate prediction on what all 0.0 powers will be up to in Dominion.
viod hawk Amarr B4D W0LF Undivided	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:44:00 - [50] I predict a massive DL time , then , a few reboots , then another DL to fix the preceding F*** ups in the previous DL , then some more waiting while 90% of EVE tries to log in on the second the server shows as available...then some more waiting , then the obligatory server crash , then... well, you get the idea.

Darriele Minmatar THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY	Posted - 2009.11.16 13:08:00 - [51] /tinfoil cowboy hat : The most acclaimed change in eve mechanics so far it's just another inside job to help an <insert name> alliance to get some cheese because they are totally incapable of doing it by their own hands. To be serious, who cares what will happen, probably this "forced" change in sov mechanics will push major alliances into "house cleaning" mode (keep what's worthy - garage sale the rest)
Doris Dents Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.11.16 13:35:00 - [52] Everyone moves to empire
Raiiden Gallente Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.16 20:42:00 - [53] Do you want to know more? One image per signature please. Zymurgist
Kell Braugh Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.16 21:55:00 - [54] I welcome our new "invador control" overlords - In essence, any combat related activity involving damage has been 'speed nerfed' to just take 6 times longer with a predetermined outcome coined balance by CCP.
DrDooma Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.17 01:52:00 - [55] Here is how this is going to work: After the first few weeks, a few small alliances will setup camp is someone backyard. The real owners (natives) will even let this slide on the count of æoh how cuteÆ, they have never seen a catch bubble. Once the small alliance takes the space, it will be time for some small roaming gangs to try and have some fun. If the small alliance fights back with lots of losses, eventually every man and his dog will come to the party. Soon, the small alliance will run out of ISK and supplies. On the other hand, if the small alliance will fight back with minimal losses, eventually they will force the natives to blob them back to empire or NPC stations.
Natasha Bonnet Amarr Armored Core Inc. The Council.	Posted - 2009.11.17 08:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Spoon Thumb It really depends on what figure CCP settles on for the base cost of sov. If cost of sov < (POS fuel savings + effort to hold), then existing alliances will keep their sov claims' after Dec 7th The effort factor has a lot to do with the cost of JB's. For example, a typical pocket full of moon mining towers could be serviced by a single JB branch connecting to the alliance/coalition's main JB backbone If cost of JB branch < (combined POS/moon gold profits + effort to maintain POS), then a JB will get built and the pocket exploited. Current plans would see high cost for JB's without even factoring in fuel Also, the further you get from Empire, the less likely there will be an existing JB connection to add a new JB branch onto So life will get tough for alliances living out in remote places like Omist, Outer Passage, Period Basis. My prediction is that the stronger alliances will migrate closer into Empire and relegate their pets to the less attractive outer regions
L'Artest Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.17 14:01:00 - [57] WTS: Systems in Delve, Querious, Period Basis. Constellations going at 5b/month!
Serj Darek Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.17 18:00:00 - [58] Originally by: L'Artest WTS: Systems in Delve, Querious, Period Basis. Constellations going at 5b/month! The constellations for sale are the ones you dropped stations in right? That whole defense thing, right? Teadaze for CSM
Darius JOHNSON Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.17 18:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Serj Darek Originally by: L'Artest WTS: Systems in Delve, Querious, Period Basis. Constellations going at 5b/month! The constellations for sale are the ones you dropped stations in right? That whole defense thing, right? yes we were mightily shortsighted in not knowing that future changes which would completely alter the way sovreignty works making the sov4 clusters less of an advantage I can see however that the mighty Agony Empire has circumnavigated this pitfall by doing absolutely nothing of note ever. Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
Serj Darek Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.17 19:14:00 - [60] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I can see however that the mighty Agony Empire has circumnavigated this pitfall by doing absolutely nothing of note ever. No space, no blues and no politics isn't as bad as it may sound Teadaze for CSM



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