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Letifer Deus	Posted - 2003.06.28 00:46:00 - [91] Acix, I would love to know your little tactic. I am the OG PIIIIIMP
Letifer Deus The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2003.06.28 00:46:00 - [92] Acix, I would love to know your little tactic. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Prophex Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.28 01:54:00 - [93] Although I do not claim to be an objectivist, I have studied the philosophy as well as many others and parts of it are valid, and I do respect them. I know it's fundamentally flawed, most modes of thinking are. I'm just saying that most people (seemingly) don't understand where we're coming from in relation to the NAP. As for being singled out as the corporation that should make a stand, the scrutiny at the moment is unjust. If you can't hold yourself up to the standards that you made, then how can you expect to pass yourself off as some moral hero? TTI made a decision, and it's not obligated that you respect it, but keep the mud flinging down. Acix had an excellent post that didn't take any cheap shots, and that's constructive. I'm not here to represent the entire corporation, I am merely here to manifest my point of view (no matter how rambling it may be) as a member of TTI. Edited by: Prophex on 28/06/2003 01:55:14
Prophex	Posted - 2003.06.28 01:54:00 - [94] Although I do not claim to be an objectivist, I have studied the philosophy as well as many others and parts of it are valid, and I do respect them. I know it's fundamentally flawed, most modes of thinking are. I'm just saying that most people (seemingly) don't understand where we're coming from in relation to the NAP. As for being singled out as the corporation that should make a stand, the scrutiny at the moment is unjust. If you can't hold yourself up to the standards that you made, then how can you expect to pass yourself off as some moral hero? TTI made a decision, and it's not obligated that you respect it, but keep the mud flinging down. Acix had an excellent post that didn't take any cheap shots, and that's constructive. I'm not here to represent the entire corporation, I am merely here to manifest my point of view (no matter how rambling it may be) as a member of TTI. Edited by: Prophex on 28/06/2003 01:55:14
Hiro Protagonist	Posted - 2003.06.28 04:39:00 - [95] I've heard about Zap and friends making all sorts of rather entertaining claims too - how we promised them a BP, gave them millions, etc., etc. Some people will be so focused on the fact that TTI didn't engage in war with Moo that they will believe anything, even claims by Moo itself, to fit their worldview that "TTI bad!" Let's call these category I people. Others might pause to look at the actions and speakers involved. The only action one can accuse TTI of is of making a non-aggression pact. All the posters here know of the myriad of actions Moo has made, even to the degree that CCP itself condemns them as griefers. Let's call these category II people. As to Moo planning this all out - it is an interesting possibility. On the flip side, I am of the belief that TTI execs also made the same calculation. I'd extrapolate from there to say that category I people would find a reason to hate the biggest corporation no matter what the reality is, and so the fact that they don't care for TTI is no net loss. "If you profess to follow the objectionist philosophy maybe you should actually understand it first." Bonegnasher - I am not a follower of objectivism, and the cheap shot about TTI member intelligence make your post almost not worth worth replying to. My only response would be to suggest that before you publicly go about claiming to have a greater understanding of it than those in TTI who do follow it, I suggest you try to at least get the name right - Rand was objectivist, not objectionist. I guess you could claim I am an objectionist, because I object to your post :P Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 28/06/2003 04:44:12
Hiro Protagonist Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2003.06.28 04:39:00 - [96] I've heard about Zap and friends making all sorts of rather entertaining claims too - how we promised them a BP, gave them millions, etc., etc. Some people will be so focused on the fact that TTI didn't engage in war with Moo that they will believe anything, even claims by Moo itself, to fit their worldview that "TTI bad!" Let's call these category I people. Others might pause to look at the actions and speakers involved. The only action one can accuse TTI of is of making a non-aggression pact. All the posters here know of the myriad of actions Moo has made, even to the degree that CCP itself condemns them as griefers. Let's call these category II people. As to Moo planning this all out - it is an interesting possibility. On the flip side, I am of the belief that TTI execs also made the same calculation. I'd extrapolate from there to say that category I people would find a reason to hate the biggest corporation no matter what the reality is, and so the fact that they don't care for TTI is no net loss. "If you profess to follow the objectionist philosophy maybe you should actually understand it first." Bonegnasher - I am not a follower of objectivism, and the cheap shot about TTI member intelligence make your post almost not worth worth replying to. My only response would be to suggest that before you publicly go about claiming to have a greater understanding of it than those in TTI who do follow it, I suggest you try to at least get the name right - Rand was objectivist, not objectionist. I guess you could claim I am an objectionist, because I object to your post :P Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 28/06/2003 04:44:12
Bonegnasher	Posted - 2003.06.28 06:52:00 - [97] Thats about the type of response that I expected.. Find a little typo and use it to worm out of any form of rational explanation. Now a quote from your own website..... "Acts as a rugged individualist. Keeps his word to any other good person. Never attacks or kills an unarmed foe. Never harms an innocent. Never tortures for pleasure or information. Threats may be permissible. Never kills for pleasure. ALWAYS TRIES TO HELP OTHERS. <<<<<<<<<< Distrusts authority. Works well in groups, but dislikes confining rules and 'red tape'. Never betrays a friend." So how are you guys helping others by turning your back on all the newbs of the galaxy? "When in doubt, get a bigger gun."
Bonegnasher Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.06.28 06:52:00 - [98] Thats about the type of response that I expected.. Find a little typo and use it to worm out of any form of rational explanation. Now a quote from your own website..... "Acts as a rugged individualist. Keeps his word to any other good person. Never attacks or kills an unarmed foe. Never harms an innocent. Never tortures for pleasure or information. Threats may be permissible. Never kills for pleasure. ALWAYS TRIES TO HELP OTHERS. <<<<<<<<<< Distrusts authority. Works well in groups, but dislikes confining rules and 'red tape'. Never betrays a friend." So how are you guys helping others by turning your back on all the newbs of the galaxy? "When in doubt, get a bigger gun."
Nootami	Posted - 2003.06.28 06:57:00 - [99] "The best thing you can teach someone who needs help is to help themselves" If you dont like moo, then gang up your friends and go after them. Stop whining. Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Nootami Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2003.06.28 06:57:00 - [100] "The best thing you can teach someone who needs help is to help themselves" If you dont like moo, then gang up your friends and go after them. Stop whining. Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Nootami	Posted - 2003.06.28 06:59:00 - [101] "Thats about the type of response that I expected.. Find a little typo and use it to worm out of any form of rational explanation. Now a quote from your own website..... "Acts as a rugged individualist. Keeps his word to any other good person. Never attacks or kills an unarmed foe. Never harms an innocent. Never tortures for pleasure or information. Threats may be permissible. Never kills for pleasure. ALWAYS TRIES TO HELP OTHERS. <<<<<<<<<< Distrusts authority. Works well in groups, but dislikes confining rules and 'red tape'. Never betrays a friend." So how are you guys helping others by turning your back on all the newbs of the galaxy?" I hope you realize that is an exerpt from thier synopsis of what a "Chaotic Good" character is. Nice job on your part. Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Nootami Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2003.06.28 06:59:00 - [102] "Thats about the type of response that I expected.. Find a little typo and use it to worm out of any form of rational explanation. Now a quote from your own website..... "Acts as a rugged individualist. Keeps his word to any other good person. Never attacks or kills an unarmed foe. Never harms an innocent. Never tortures for pleasure or information. Threats may be permissible. Never kills for pleasure. ALWAYS TRIES TO HELP OTHERS. <<<<<<<<<< Distrusts authority. Works well in groups, but dislikes confining rules and 'red tape'. Never betrays a friend." So how are you guys helping others by turning your back on all the newbs of the galaxy?" I hope you realize that is an exerpt from thier synopsis of what a "Chaotic Good" character is. Nice job on your part. Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Bonegnasher Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.06.28 07:48:00 - [103] Yes I do, hence the post..... Thats also the main alignment that their corp supposedly represents. They do admit to having members of other alignments, but the main core of them........ ah well, dunno why I really care..... "When in doubt, get a bigger gun."
Bonegnasher	Posted - 2003.06.28 07:48:00 - [104] Yes I do, hence the post..... Thats also the main alignment that their corp supposedly represents. They do admit to having members of other alignments, but the main core of them........ ah well, dunno why I really care..... "When in doubt, get a bigger gun."
Riffler	Posted - 2003.06.28 09:44:00 - [105] "I've heard about Zap and friends making all sorts of rather entertaining claims too - how we promised them a BP, gave them millions, etc., etc. " Add to that the repeated TTI kills claimed by moo when the target is tempting enough, the widespread belief that business links between moo and TTI go deeper than a simple NAP and the growing belief that rather than moo being a pirate subsidiary of TTI, TTI is in fact some kind of legit subsidiary of moo and TTI is facing a crisis. They're no longer seen as too powerful a corp to attack. They're losing combat pilots and potential recruits because they're seen as spineless. They're over-reliant on a market which is increasingly in crisis as BPs over-proliferate and prices collapse. TTI's reputation and its brand name represent real value, value which is in sharp decline. That reputation is supposed to bring in recruits, it's supposed to protect TTI ships, it's supposed to command respect, and it just ain't doing it any more. So we're back to the point I made 4 pages ago, only more so. TTI has succeeded in painting itself into a corner by claiming it's not in its interests to attack moo, whereby the only way for TTI to restore its reputation is... by attacking moo. People expect, rightly or wrongly, the biggest legit corp to act against moo terrorism. By not doing so, TTI damages itself massively in the perception of most players. Sooner or later, a large corp or alliance of corps will act against moo. TTI's unwillingness to take the lead, or even be involved in such action will inevitably damage it irrevocably and it will be overtaken by those who do take action.
Riffler	Posted - 2003.06.28 09:44:00 - [106] "I've heard about Zap and friends making all sorts of rather entertaining claims too - how we promised them a BP, gave them millions, etc., etc. " Add to that the repeated TTI kills claimed by moo when the target is tempting enough, the widespread belief that business links between moo and TTI go deeper than a simple NAP and the growing belief that rather than moo being a pirate subsidiary of TTI, TTI is in fact some kind of legit subsidiary of moo and TTI is facing a crisis. They're no longer seen as too powerful a corp to attack. They're losing combat pilots and potential recruits because they're seen as spineless. They're over-reliant on a market which is increasingly in crisis as BPs over-proliferate and prices collapse. TTI's reputation and its brand name represent real value, value which is in sharp decline. That reputation is supposed to bring in recruits, it's supposed to protect TTI ships, it's supposed to command respect, and it just ain't doing it any more. So we're back to the point I made 4 pages ago, only more so. TTI has succeeded in painting itself into a corner by claiming it's not in its interests to attack moo, whereby the only way for TTI to restore its reputation is... by attacking moo. People expect, rightly or wrongly, the biggest legit corp to act against moo terrorism. By not doing so, TTI damages itself massively in the perception of most players. Sooner or later, a large corp or alliance of corps will act against moo. TTI's unwillingness to take the lead, or even be involved in such action will inevitably damage it irrevocably and it will be overtaken by those who do take action.
Jebba IV	Posted - 2003.06.28 11:31:00 - [107] well obviously TTI likes the NAP more than m0o does...seeing they let m0o claim false statementsand do nothing about it... oh and yes you guys are the biggest corp in the game...and then to come with a NAP with m0o...i mean a NAP stands closer to a possible alliance then to a war isnt it?
Jebba IV Caldari League of Gentlemen	Posted - 2003.06.28 11:31:00 - [108] well obviously TTI likes the NAP more than m0o does...seeing they let m0o claim false statementsand do nothing about it... oh and yes you guys are the biggest corp in the game...and then to come with a NAP with m0o...i mean a NAP stands closer to a possible alliance then to a war isnt it?
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.06.28 15:24:00 - [109] I just can't understand this constant slamming of TTI over a simple NAP. Now we're in decline and spineless? If you can make opinions based simply on a few forum posts and no real knowledge of exactly what we're doing I guess I'll ask you for some winning lottery numbers. I have to believe all this attention is simple resentment and nothing more. Why are we resented so much? It's true real life has moved into this game with talk of "morals" and "obligations". I think some real life lessons are present in the way people are slamming us for no real reason. All this speculation is enjoyable to read. I'm glad all of you know what we're doing and what our real motives are. The truth is no one here knows what we're really up too. I kind of like it that way. :) Calladen Nimitz Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 28/06/2003 15:26:37
Calladen Nimitz Caldari Libertas Enterprises	Posted - 2003.06.28 15:24:00 - [110] I just can't understand this constant slamming of TTI over a simple NAP. Now we're in decline and spineless? If you can make opinions based simply on a few forum posts and no real knowledge of exactly what we're doing I guess I'll ask you for some winning lottery numbers. I have to believe all this attention is simple resentment and nothing more. Why are we resented so much? It's true real life has moved into this game with talk of "morals" and "obligations". I think some real life lessons are present in the way people are slamming us for no real reason. All this speculation is enjoyable to read. I'm glad all of you know what we're doing and what our real motives are. The truth is no one here knows what we're really up too. I kind of like it that way. :) Calladen Nimitz Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 28/06/2003 15:26:37
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.06.28 16:54:00 - [111] Ok, how about everyone start putting bounties on key TTI personel? I'm sure if enough ppl do, m0o or others will be tempted to collect :) Edited by: PropanElgen on 28/06/2003 16:54:54 All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
PropanElgen Caldari CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2003.06.28 16:54:00 - [112] Ok, how about everyone start putting bounties on key TTI personel? I'm sure if enough ppl do, m0o or others will be tempted to collect :) Edited by: PropanElgen on 28/06/2003 16:54:54 All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Miyamoto	Posted - 2003.06.28 17:54:00 - [113] Try and put a bounty on a guy with +5 security. Try it.
Miyamoto	Posted - 2003.06.28 17:54:00 - [114] Try and put a bounty on a guy with +5 security. Try it.
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.06.28 18:19:00 - [115] Try and put a bounty on a guy with +5 security. Try it. ------ Haha, yeah I see why that was a dumb suggestion I made :) You learn something every day. All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
PropanElgen Caldari CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2003.06.28 18:19:00 - [116] Try and put a bounty on a guy with +5 security. Try it. ------ Haha, yeah I see why that was a dumb suggestion I made :) You learn something every day. All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Macrowarp	Posted - 2006.10.04 08:33:00 - [117] TTi will never faulter! All you haters should just be quiet.
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.04 08:54:00 - [118] Wow, took you 3 YEARS to read through that thread, did it? --
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.04 08:56:00 - [119] Don't necro. I predict Ulynidd. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.10.04 09:14:00 - [120] WOW! This is an old thread

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