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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1187
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Posted - 2012.06.15 07:02:00 -
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yeah just some badass OTEC member who spends his day probing one of the 100,000+ moons in 0.0/low that take 40 minutes per probe is going to stumble upon your sweet brand new tech moon
sounds like something to worry about
tl;dr - "rotating moon goo deposits" is an idea invariably suggested by people who have never probed a single moon ever |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
142
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:03:00 -
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I think a better fix to technetium would be to ensure that other region-limited materials are also valuable, thus making room for more than one giant to control the wealth. Or maybe Goons would actually manage to take over ALL of the resources. But if there are enough of them, I doubt it. It would spread their forces too thin and concentrate everyone else's. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:12:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I sit here in Canada, all safe and in comfort, but I still take a keen interest in what goes on well outside my borders. The uprisings in Libya. The war in Afghanistan. The near civil war in Syria. The economic crisis in Greece. Or, when he was alive, Kim Jong Il looking at things.
With the untimely passing of the Dear Leader, who among us is left to look at the things?
Wolodymyr wrote:Yeah I am a little worried that our quiet little lowsec drug lab gets a tech spawn and then someone larger than us finds out about it and I have to deal with 1000 alpha maelstroms trying to blow up my blue pills.
are you kidding, that would be awesome GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
747
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:18:00 -
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Having Tech or any other moon mineral 'respawn' is unrealistic and would make nullsec incredibly frustrating.
Tech just needs to be worth less and a few other moon materials worth more, just more balanced accross the materials is all that needs to happen. Surely that can be done by adjusting and balancing what is required to build T2 components? Surely that would be easier than changing the actual environment? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
83
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:18:00 -
[35] - Quote
Phill Esteen wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I sit here in Canada, all safe and in comfort, but I still take a keen interest in what goes on well outside my borders. The uprisings in Libya. The war in Afghanistan. The near civil war in Syria. The economic crisis in Greece. Or, when he was alive, Kim Jong Il looking at things. With the untimely passing of the Dear Leader, who among us is left to look at the things?
Lo and behold!
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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
905
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:04:00 -
[36] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I think a better fix to technetium would be to ensure that other region-limited materials are also valuable, thus making room for more than one giant to control the wealth. Or maybe Goons would actually manage to take over ALL of the resources. But if there are enough of them, I doubt it. It would spread their forces too thin and concentrate everyone else's. If all areas of nullsec have their special snowflake resource, that encourages less conflict. We'll have more Chinese nullsec, not less.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
66
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:17:00 -
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It's a terrible idea and a completely unnecessary effort.
CCP knows how to fix moon-mining, it is simply a rebalance of components, with depleting and semi-randomized mineable "t2 belts" to relieve pressure on any new bottleneck the system creates.
Stop coming up with awful ideas and, even more importantly, stop making awful threads about said awful ideas.
This can be locked now. |

Luis Graca
50
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:18:00 -
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If there will be tec moons in other regions the tec monopoly will end and there will be no reason to fight
7 hours later and i'm still waiting for the people that want moon minerals to spawn in deferents moons to tell me how would other alliances know here to strike if the moons are constantly changing
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Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
95
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:20:00 -
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having them rotate in a predictable manner is a bad idea. they should be randomly spawned in 0.0. forces people to go out and look for them. nothing wrong with have some exploration in a space game. might even give some smaller entities the chance at some before the larger ones discover it and take it. |

Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
905
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:20:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:7 hours later and i'm still waiting for the people that want moon minerals to spawn in deferents moons to tell me how would other alliances know here to strike if the moons are constantly changing Apparently all you read was the tl;dr for the article. Otherwise, you would not be asking the same questions.
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Luis Graca
51
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:41:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Luis Graca wrote:7 hours later and i'm still waiting for the people that want moon minerals to spawn in deferents moons to tell me how would other alliances know here to strike if the moons are constantly changing Apparently all you read was the tl;dr for the article. Otherwise, you would not be asking the same questions.
Where? All i see is whining and noes
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ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
722
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:43:00 -
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Read up to Kim Jong-Il looking at things, +1'd for that and lost interest. But you can keep the +1; I enjoyed KJI looking at a boat. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |

Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
632
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:46:00 -
[43] - Quote
To add to possibilities, as mentioned elsewhere a small amount of Technetium could be sourced from Tech 2 ship wreck salvaging as an advanced salvager skill option.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1278
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:47:00 -
[44] - Quote
I think it will be time to talk about when this comes up as serious business, witch means after summer and different ship balances crapventory efficiency/performance fixes.
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Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:48:00 -
[45] - Quote
IIRC, ring mining is supposed to be kind of like a mining incursion fleet, where the minerals mined are moon goo. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
1468

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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:43:00 -
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Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s). |
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Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:46:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s).
Prepare yourself for a new wave of spergy conspiracy theories. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1279
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:50:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s). Prepare yourself for a new wave of spergy conspiracy theories.
Yer.... !!!
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Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
282
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:54:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s).
So what exactly is Ring mining? and while i think OP's idea for creating shifting environment in nullsec to prevent stagnation won't work, i think the concept of something to prevent stagnation is a good idea.
something needs to keep huge regions of nullsec from becoming huge mutually blue blocks I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4052
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:56:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s).
Do it.
And please: listen to Akita T this time. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1279
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:57:00 -
[51] - Quote
Denidil wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s). So what exactly is Ring mining? and while i think OP's idea for creating shifting environment in nullsec to prevent stagnation won't work, i think the concept of something to prevent stagnation is a good idea. something needs to keep huge regions of nullsec from becoming huge mutually blue blocks
As far as mutual interests are on the line, there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent players working together to achieve common goals.
This is a fact many players are unable to understand. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
1471

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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:00:00 -
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Denidil wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s). So what exactly is Ring mining? and while i think OP's idea for creating shifting environment in nullsec to prevent stagnation won't work, i think the concept of something to prevent stagnation is a good idea. something needs to keep huge regions of nullsec from becoming huge mutually blue blocks
Ring mining would be getting moon minerals through collaborative PVE. It would take it out of the hands of the alliances and into the players hands. Realistically, the same people making ring mining are working on POSs, so doing them both at the same time seems to not be viable.
I'm not entirely sure I trust a system of dynamic resources in a game that's so built around settling down and carving your own piece of space. I think we could do it, but my issues are 1: is moving around fun gameplay? Does a 3000 man alliance want to ferry their stuff around every few months? 2: Is there any reason to invest in space if you know you have to move? Will territorial conquests become "seasonal" if players know a resource will move shortly? 3: is territorial conquest based on a certain resource, or are there other factors in play? (like do you choose where to invade because it's possible for an alliance of your size, do you choose your enemy because you don't like them etc).
I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship. |
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:02:00 -
[53] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:What about the ring mining they are working on?
They have been "working" on it for two years now.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
974
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:07:00 -
[54] - Quote
moon rotation is great if you don't mind a permanent price spike in t2 items eh |

Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
283
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:07:00 -
[55] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Denidil wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s). So what exactly is Ring mining? and while i think OP's idea for creating shifting environment in nullsec to prevent stagnation won't work, i think the concept of something to prevent stagnation is a good idea. something needs to keep huge regions of nullsec from becoming huge mutually blue blocks Ring mining would be getting moon minerals through collaborative PVE. It would take it out of the hands of the alliances and into the players hands. Realistically, the same people making ring mining are working on POSs, so doing them both at the same time seems to not be viable. I'm not entirely sure I trust a system of dynamic resources in a game that's so built around settling down and carving your own piece of space. I think we could do it, but my issues are 1: is moving around fun gameplay? Does a 3000 man alliance want to ferry their stuff around every few months? 2: Is there any reason to invest in space if you know you have to move? Will territorial conquests become "seasonal" if players know a resource will move shortly? 3: is territorial conquest based on a certain resource, or are there other factors in play? (like do you choose where to invade because it's possible for an alliance of your size, do you choose your enemy because you don't like them etc). I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
I understand dev resource scarcity completely. I'm a software engineer myself - I'm patient, i can wait for awesomeness.
these are all very good questions, and using 'resource migration' is probably not a good way to encourage conflict in nullsec.
Tie the new ring mining system into the existing grav site spawning mechanisms (including upgraded systems). Ring Mining would be a huge boon for us "combat industrialists" who like both parts of the game, and it would reduce the amount of POS maintenance required of alliances.
I edited my post above with some idea's related to ring mining... probably nothing that hasn't bounced around your own heads
Quote: rings, belts, clusters, comets ...
rings - could come in be pure "moon goo" and mixed "moon goo" & "asteroid" varities belts - asteroids clusters - small groups of large asteroids (kind of like current grav sites) comets - small group of large moon goo iceballs
replace current grav sites with this.
add new mining crystals/mining laser types for moon good. (aka force a refit between goo and roid materials)
and yes.. even the rare highsec grav sites could spawn as (low end) moon goo sites.
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
676
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:10:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
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I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
I think POS' first is a better idea anyways. Although the Ring Mining would really help shake things up, the POS system needs to be worked out so that when ring mining comes out, you know what to do with all the moon mineral POS' that are either obsolete, or less functional (what are you going to do with moon harvesting...)
I think you need a little bit of everything. Just like a good stew. You don't just stick some water and some salt and make something delicious!
You need some intrigue, you need some back stabbing, you need some power plays, you need some e-hatred, you need a little bit of everything. The real issue is with power blocs TODAY. Not with anything else.
The power blocs of EVE today are absorbing a lot of the wealth, and the ring mining would in theory break this down drastically and very quickly. VERY Quickly. Altough titans and supers will be there, the glue that binds them all together will start to disintegrate. I don't foresee the end of mega alliances, but I do foresee less incentive to have to "stick through with the alliance to earn my supercap", or the quick end to many of the ship replacement programs.
EVE is moving from a feudal system to a modern industrial model with ring mining, and that means more capitalistic ventures on the individual, more opportunities for the single person to go out there and make a living, which means more conflict. Rather then mega conflicts over 1 POS with 500 people. ,you're going to have 500 people who are looking to make their own way (rather than rely on ship reimbursement), and that means they will be fighting over resources on a "small" scale, but on a distributed scale.
Mega fleet fights will still exist, but we're looking at a less unhealthy plan for it. One that relies on mutual interests and social dynamics to glue people together, rather than a ship replacement program and some "space".
BRING ON THE POS', you have no idea how excited I am. :) Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
181
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:14:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s).
Please allow for alchemy to go both ways. ie. 100m3 r32 -> 10m3 r64; 10m3 r64 -> 100m3 r32 What is the point if every race has an Jam/Damp/Disruptor/ ship etc? Not every race has to be a fluffy little mirror of each other, it's seriously not needed. Things like Gallente having the only drone BS and Caldari having the only ECM BS are incredibly cool distinctions that only add to EVE in both game play value and flavour. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3444
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:15:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote: I'm not entirely sure I trust a system of dynamic resources in a game that's so built around settling down and carving your own piece of space. I think we could do it, but my issues are 1: is moving around fun gameplay? Does a 3000 man alliance want to ferry their stuff around every few months? 2: Is there any reason to invest in space if you know you have to move? Will territorial conquests become "seasonal" if players know a resource will move shortly? 3: is territorial conquest based on a certain resource, or are there other factors in play? (like do you choose where to invade because it's possible for an alliance of your size, do you choose your enemy because you don't like them etc).
In addition, please make anyone interested in making moon minerals move around go probe out a constellation. If you want minerals to move around throw out that god-awful system.
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Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
284
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:18:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
...
I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship. I think POS' first is a better idea anyways. Although the Ring Mining would really help shake things up, the POS system needs to be worked out so that when ring mining comes out, you know what to do with all the moon mineral POS' that are either obsolete, or less functional (what are you going to do with moon harvesting...) I think you need a little bit of everything. Just like a good stew. You don't just stick some water and some salt and make something delicious! You need some intrigue, you need some back stabbing, you need some power plays, you need some e-hatred, you need a little bit of everything. The real issue is with power blocs TODAY. Not with anything else. The power blocs of EVE today are absorbing a lot of the wealth, and the ring mining would in theory break this down drastically and very quickly. VERY Quickly. Altough titans and supers will be there, the glue that binds them all together will start to disintegrate. I don't foresee the end of mega alliances, but I do foresee less incentive to have to "stick through with the alliance to earn my supercap", or the quick end to many of the ship replacement programs. EVE is moving from a feudal system to a modern industrial model with ring mining, and that means more capitalistic ventures on the individual, more opportunities for the single person to go out there and make a living, which means more conflict. Rather then mega conflicts over 1 POS with 500 people. ,you're going to have 500 people who are looking to make their own way (rather than rely on ship reimbursement), and that means they will be fighting over resources on a "small" scale, but on a distributed scale. Mega fleet fights will still exist, but we're looking at a less unhealthy plan for it. One that relies on mutual interests and social dynamics to glue people together, rather than a ship replacement program and some "space". BRING ON THE POS', you have no idea how excited I am. :)
and if they tie sov mechanics - not just upgrade level, but who actually controls sov - to alliance activity in the system that would make it even more mutual interest and less feudeal.
that mining op? it is helping you maintain sov, those rattings? helping you maintain sov.
system with insufficient activity? the alliance looses sov and the local pirates gain sov. system at your border where your neighbors are using it more than you? they gain sov and you loose it.
activity based sov as opposed to "plant a flag and pay some isk" based sov.
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |

Monica Lesture
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:19:00 -
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Move tech to WHs |
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