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Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:53:00 - [151] Originally by: Ziriko Keplit Originally by: Muad' Dib You think that the FW mission nerf is ill-deserved ? Well, take a look here. Be I damned... it is so PINK! To figure out visually which is my FW alt. :) --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:56:00 - [152] Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre Prbably a daft question but, by the Patch Notes all this does is bring back the Standings Penalty for Refusing Multiple Missions in quick succession. Does it also bring back the Standing Penalty for Failing the Mission through Timeout as well? Or the Penalty for Accepting a Mission then Telling the Agent that you're not going to do it anymore? Not a daft question at all. This is something I was trying to tell few posts above. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Neo Gabriel Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.01 19:41:00 - [153] Unfamed II: SHHHHHHHHHHHH!
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.01 21:39:00 - [154] As of 10 minutes ago, I think the FDU became the third richest group of pod pilots in all of Eve - following only the Pervs and Damar.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.12.01 22:48:00 - [155] Originally by: Neo Gabriel Unfamed II: SHHHHHHHHHHHH! NO! FIIIXXXX IIIITTTT!!!! srspost: needs to be fixed, and im not gonna run any missions until that happens, fkn gh3y system Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Naye Nathaniel Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.01 23:34:00 - [156] I wish to say THANK YOU CCP for making something useless right now LIKE Faction Warfare missions <3 Im not gonna jump 12 jumps, for 11k LP without bounty, and only 1+1 mln reward, to kill 10 objects, risking my ship for crappy reward. It's a waste of time now. And I can bet NO ONE would do it, so U can even delete it :) And im full of laugh when I see ppl selling Navy Scorp for 500 mln :] It's gonna hit the 1 - 2 bils soon <3 till there is no way to obtain LP in other ways <3 ------------------------------------------------- Im the mighty and brave! Everyone should looking for cave! -------------------------------------------------
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.01 23:57:00 - [157] Originally by: Naye Nathaniel I wish to say THANK YOU CCP for making something useless right now LIKE Faction Warfare missions <3 Im not gonna jump 12 jumps, for 11k LP without bounty, and only 1+1 mln reward, to kill 10 objects, risking my ship for crappy reward. It's a waste of time now. And I can bet NO ONE would do it, so U can even delete it :) And im full of laugh when I see ppl selling Navy Scorp for 500 mln :] It's gonna hit the 1 - 2 bils soon <3 till there is no way to obtain LP in other ways <3 Now this is a post. -------------------------------------------
Mortant Neros	Posted - 2009.12.02 00:27:00 - [158] Originally by: Naye Nathaniel I wish to say THANK YOU CCP for making something useless right now LIKE Faction Warfare missions <3 Im not gonna jump 12 jumps, for 11k LP without bounty, and only 1+1 mln reward, to kill 10 objects, risking my ship for crappy reward. It's a waste of time now. And I can bet NO ONE would do it, so U can even delete it :) And im full of laugh when I see ppl selling Navy Scorp for 500 mln :] It's gonna hit the 1 - 2 bils soon <3 till there is no way to obtain LP in other ways <3 LMAO!! Watch out its a carebear emo-raging!! :) OH noes, now it will be risky for me to make billions from selling faction ships, people WILL still do the missions and they will be laughing at people like you who are too scared to venture into low sec for more than a few minutes. They will get rich on your emo tears mark my words.
Ralnik Mutineers	Posted - 2009.12.02 00:57:00 - [159] Originally by: Naye Nathaniel I wish to say THANK YOU CCP for making something useless right now LIKE Faction Warfare missions <3 Im not gonna jump 12 jumps, for 11k LP without bounty, and only 1+1 mln reward, to kill 10 objects, risking my ship for crappy reward. It's a waste of time now. And I can bet NO ONE would do it, so U can even delete it :) And im full of laugh when I see ppl selling Navy Scorp for 500 mln :] It's gonna hit the 1 - 2 bils soon <3 till there is no way to obtain LP in other ways <3 umm you do understand that people were selling Faction ships long before the missions were buffed and then nerfed. The prices might go back up but they wont settle at a bil.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2009.12.02 02:55:00 - [160] Originally by: Ralnik umm you do understand that people were selling Faction ships long before the missions were buffed and then nerfed. The prices might go back up but they wont settle at a bil. Do relize that the new ships are supposed to be FW corp specific right? Which is what his point was I belive. Also, this is my first post useing the IGB. SCHWING!!!! -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00

Neo Gabriel Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.02 05:06:00 - [161] Well, now that everyone seems to know it already: CCP's "Nerf" actualy means you can't decline missions anymore. Nothing wrong with accepting and quitting them repeatedly tho. So there you go, the only thing CCP could bother to do with FW is to amke us press an extra **ing button: Request > Accept > Quit > Request... It makes it so much more annoying that I won't bother tod o it for a while. Im burned out of it already. I hope you guys keep exploting it for now, but I agree with Unfamed that this ** has got to stop. Enjoy it for now, because it will be fixed Soon (tm).
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.12.02 05:17:00 - [162] Originally by: Neo Gabriel Well, now that everyone seems to know it already: CCP's "Nerf" actualy means you can't decline missions anymore. Nothing wrong with accepting and quitting them repeatedly tho. So there you go, the only thing CCP could bother to do with FW is to amke us press an extra **ing button: Request > Accept > Quit > Request... It makes it so much more annoying that I won't bother tod o it for a while. Im burned out of it already. I hope you guys keep exploting it for now, but I agree with Unfamed that this has got to stop. Enjoy it for now, because it will be fixed Soon (tm). The original boost was mentioned in patch notes etc, all fine by my e-space-ethics :D However, this time is a bit different. And sort of a reason why I didn't want to tell exactly how it works. Thanks for doing it for me tho. Mad rage at CCP for being so dumb. Originally by:** Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Naye Nathaniel Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.02 06:54:00 - [163] Originally by: Mortant Neros LMAO!! Watch out its a carebear emo-raging!! :) OH noes, now it will be risky for me to make billions from selling faction ships, people WILL still do the missions and they will be laughing at people like you who are too scared to venture into low sec for more than a few minutes. They will get rich on your emo tears mark my words. Did u ever done a single FW mission? IF yes then u know there are only 2 - 3 mission what u can do in "few minutes" like u say. Rest is like: fly 10-15 j in one way, into blob of WT's, kill 3 ships, then another 3 ships, and structure at ending, and another 3 ships [mostly BattleShips]. Before u gonna hit one, u gonna be ganged by WT army, yeah u Can say FLY WITH FW mates. Of course but what is the point to do mission with reward 8k LP [only 3 of them are rewarded higher than 10k lp] and 2 mln reward [1+1] If u want to focus at mission tho u need like 3-4 friends [or FW mates] thats split the LP point, 2k per each means nothing at all in risk/reward graph, cause before risk was HIGH, now is the highest and reward is still good but not enough to try it alone, they should even delete pointless missions and keep only 3-4 comming out, like every lv 4 mission from specific agent in high sec oO. The safest mode is to do lv 3, but still im not gonna fly like 10-15 jumps to obtain 5k LP and spend like half hour in WT blob space. They "nerfed" missions FW, ok but then, delete some pointless one.
Mortant Neros	Posted - 2009.12.02 07:01:00 - [164] lol arent you listening, they havent nerfed anything and yes ty for asking i have done fw missions, before and after the boost. Perhaps you didnt get how to do it, you decline untill you get the right mission in the right place, now you accept then quit and request, not a whole lot of difference. Even if they had "fixed" it so you got a standing hit for failing or quitting missions there would still be people doing fw missions as it is the only source of the faction domi and so would still be lucrative, end of story.
Naye Nathaniel Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.02 07:38:00 - [165] U want to tell me there is no standing drop after QUITing the mission? I tought that guy was joking ;p ------------------------------------------------- Im the mighty and brave! Everyone should looking for cave! -------------------------------------------------
Raimo Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.12.02 08:57:00 - [166] TBH more than likely that I CBA to do them even with the failed "nerf"... Not really into petitioning etiher though, too much work! :P ____________________________________________________________
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.12.02 09:41:00 - [167] Originally by: Naye Nathaniel Originally by: Mortant Neros LMAO!! Watch out its a carebear emo-raging!! :) OH noes, now it will be risky for me to make billions from selling faction ships, people WILL still do the missions and they will be laughing at people like you who are too scared to venture into low sec for more than a few minutes. They will get rich on your emo tears mark my words. Did u ever done a single FW mission? IF yes then u know there are only 2 - 3 mission what u can do in "few minutes" like u say. Rest is like: fly 10-15 j in one way, into blob of WT's, kill 3 ships, then another 3 ships, and structure at ending, and another 3 ships [mostly BattleShips]. Before u gonna hit one, u gonna be ganged by WT army, yeah u Can say FLY WITH FW mates. Of course but what is the point to do mission with reward 8k LP [only 3 of them are rewarded higher than 10k lp] and 2 mln reward [1+1] If u want to focus at mission tho u need like 3-4 friends [or FW mates] thats split the LP point, 2k per each means nothing at all in risk/reward graph, cause before risk was HIGH, now is the highest and reward is still good but not enough to try it alone, they should even delete pointless missions and keep only 3-4 comming out, like every lv 4 mission from specific agent in high sec oO. The safest mode is to do lv 3, but still im not gonna fly like 10-15 jumps to obtain 5k LP and spend like half hour in WT blob space. They "nerfed" missions FW, ok but then, delete some pointless one. Warp in alt in Ishkur - hey it can even be a pirate alt ... why not ?, let him take aggro, warp in SB, kill objective. You may need to rewarp because of low-ehp on SB 1-2 times, but it's a frig, it won't take long to come back. In 5min you finish the mission for 30-40m isk. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:05:00 - [168] Originally by: Mortant Neros lol arent you listening, they havent nerfed anything and yes ty for asking i have done fw missions, before and after the boost. Perhaps you didnt get how to do it, you decline untill you get the right mission in the right place, now you accept then quit and request, not a whole lot of difference. Even if they had "fixed" it so you got a standing hit for failing or quitting missions there would still be people doing fw missions as it is the only source of the faction domi and so would still be lucrative, end of story. I didn't try that out yet and think you're a troll, but if you're right, then this "fix" is a ridiculous botching by CCP and i'd have to worry about the company that lets bunglers do the work ... but again, i'll rather think that you're the troll who doesn't tell the truth rather than to believe in such an incompetent "fix".
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:33:00 - [169] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Mortant Neros lol arent you listening, they havent nerfed anything and yes ty for asking i have done fw missions, before and after the boost. Perhaps you didnt get how to do it, you decline untill you get the right mission in the right place, now you accept then quit and request, not a whole lot of difference. Even if they had "fixed" it so you got a standing hit for failing or quitting missions there would still be people doing fw missions as it is the only source of the faction domi and so would still be lucrative, end of story. I didn't try that out yet and think you're a troll, but if you're right, then this "fix" is a ridiculous botching by CCP and i'd have to worry about the company that lets bunglers do the work ... but again, i'll rather think that you're the troll who doesn't tell the truth rather than to believe in such an incompetent "fix". You're giving ccp way too much credit here. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Steve Celeste Caldari Overdogs	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:46:00 - [170] I have tested it, accepted 2 missions in a row and quit them both. NO entry in standings, neither for Faction or STPRO (my militia). LOLCCP

Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:56:00 - [171] Originally by: Steve Celeste I have tested it, accepted 2 missions in a row and quit them both. NO entry in standings, neither for Faction or STPRO (my militia). LOLCCP Would be funny if CCP have not told anyone that for some reason the standings loss for quitting missions doesnt show until the next DT :)
Steve Celeste Caldari Overdogs	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:02:00 - [172] Originally by: Gallactica Originally by: Steve Celeste I have tested it, accepted 2 missions in a row and quit them both. NO entry in standings, neither for Faction or STPRO (my militia). LOLCCP Would be funny if CCP have not told anyone that for some reason the standings loss for quitting missions doesnt show until the next DT :) We discussed that in militia, i will doublecheck after DT. Not too worried about the hit from 2 missions if it does work in that "delayed" way. Will post results after server is back up :)
Naye Nathaniel Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:19:00 - [173] Well. CCP in patch notes wrote: "Declining FW mission more than once every 4 hours, give a standing hit" there is nothing about quiting it after accepting.. So maybe that is the way! But then, for what is that "nerf" ? ------------------------------------------------- Im the mighty and brave! Everyone should looking for cave! -------------------------------------------------
Patri Andari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Gallactica Originally by: Steve Celeste I have tested it, accepted 2 missions in a row and quit them both. NO entry in standings, neither for Faction or STPRO (my militia). LOLCCP Would be funny if CCP have not told anyone that for some reason the standings loss for quitting missions doesnt show until the next DT :) Would be funnier if Devs that are following this thread see this post as perfect advice and an opportunity to save face. Stealth hotfix during downtime anyone? No one will know if it was already there or just added. Amirite? Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan?
Steve Celeste Caldari Overdogs	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:48:00 - [175] Confirming that there is no "delayed" standing hit.
Ziriko Keplit	Posted - 2009.12.02 14:56:00 - [176] And so it became that demon of greed started to temp proud warriors again: "Thou shall drop weapons and do farming"
Greg6	Posted - 2009.12.02 15:16:00 - [177] Oh, my, that is laughably incompetent. CCP's "fix," isn't. In terms of game effect there is no change at all if one can quit the mission without standing hit and request another one immediately. All they have done is take an imbalanced isk generation method and make it a bit more of a pain in the ass, from a user experience perspective. Honestly, one of the big weaknesses of eve right now is the I/O and user experience. Heh. All they have done is require more mindless clicking from those willing to do the FW mission grind for isk. That really is surprisingly vapid on their part.....
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.02 17:13:00 - [178] This just goes to show you how little they understand about FW mechanics in general. There's probably nobody at CCP engaged in FW - they all must be running alliances in 0.0. Anyways, we now have at our disposal the single largest source of income in EvE. At current return rates... If 50 FDU pilots do 1 L4 mission per day they could pay for at least 2 Titans per month. Siigari's wet dream of a low sec Titan is actually attainable. :) I say we band the militias together and start raiding 0.0 to get their attention. :)
Admiral Goberius Amarr eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.02 19:06:00 - [179] Edited by: Admiral Goberius on 02/12/2009 19:06:44 Originally by: Steve Celeste Confirming that there is no "delayed" standing hit. :lolccp: - Gob ________ Alt of Goberth Ludwig
Insa Rexion Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2009.12.02 21:09:00 - [180] Originally by: X Gallentius I say we band the militias together and start raiding 0.0 to get their attention. :) if we start with Prov, I can guarantee a lot of minnies will be there, unless of course you mean all 4 militias join up and just hit 0.0 in general, that would be awesome indeed -------------------------------------------- DOMINION ! Welcome to Amarr Online the sequel, last buff was business, this time it's permanent



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