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Spatiopathe
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Posted - 2009.12.02 23:04:00 -
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the FW have the best LP-store ever, costs are 2 at 10times less expensives..so instead make war for have good reward, they just dodge war for grind and make far more isk than other rater.
The FW is loaded of heavy LP-farmer instead to be a pvp communauty.
I think that pvp reward should be exclusively drop by killing ennemy militia player.
Actually FW design is build for goldfarmer...
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Spatiopathe
The FW is loaded of heavy LP-farmer instead to be a pvp communauty.
I think that pvp reward should be exclusively drop by killing ennemy militia player.
It should be, but it ain't.
-Jin Nib
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Gorp
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Posted - 2009.12.03 03:04:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Gorp on 03/12/2009 03:05:00
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2009.12.03 06:59:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Spatiopathe
the FW have the best LP-store ever, costs are 2 at 10times less expensives..so instead make war for have good reward, they just dodge war for grind and make far more isk than other rater.
The FW is loaded of heavy LP-farmer instead to be a pvp communauty.
I think that pvp reward should be exclusively drop by killing ennemy militia player.
Actually FW design is build for goldfarmer...
well it is more pvp then current nullsec boredom ... maybe dominion will change it
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.03 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Spatiopathe
the FW have the best LP-store ever, costs are 2 at 10times less expensives..so instead make war for have good reward, they just dodge war for grind and make far more isk than other rater.
The FW is loaded of heavy LP-farmer instead to be a pvp communauty.
I think that pvp reward should be exclusively drop by killing ennemy militia player.
Actually FW design is build for goldfarmer...
well it is more pvp then current nullsec boredom ... maybe dominion will change it
This, and amazingly enough, FW entered the capital age with these ISK farming opportunities. The ppl who already had capital alts don't care about losing their caps anymore, more have bought skills/ships and trained them, and even more are doing it right now.
If you don't know what i mean, check the fight in Vlil - Gavin's thread.
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uglybast
Omicron Technology
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Posted - 2009.12.03 11:24:00 -
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FW missions are in theory the most dangerous missions to do as they're all in low sec and anyone can warp in due the beacon in local which says, 'I'm doing a mission please gank me'
It's easy to get camped out of your mission because of this and fail to complete it. This should not result in a standings hit IMO.
The only thing that needs to be nerfed ATM is the ability to do the missions in an Stealth Bomber which makes you almost invunerable to enemy FW players and pirates alike. A few mwd'ing scrambling and webbing frigs in the missions would take care of this.
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.03 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: uglybast
The only thing that needs to be nerfed ATM is the ability to do the missions in an Stealth Bomber which makes you almost invunerable to enemy FW players and pirates alike. A few mwd'ing scrambling and webbing frigs in the missions would take care of this.
Actually there are already a few scambling and MWD frigates in the mission plex (talking from the minni side).
Amarr NPCs BS, crusiers and frigs make heavy use of tracking disrupting and heavy neutralizing as well and I recall one mission where a Amarr NPCs is flying an BS with a "MWD" (as he goes from 300m/s in boost up to 700m/s).
Point is the inherent problem was/is not the declining without standing loss but the heavy difference in NPC ECM and weapon usage and thus their resulting difficulty as well the skewed rewards that are currently possible (30k LP per mission, I havent seen that on minni side yet).
If you want to dig further you will notice that the "set discount" for the whole militia is not good as well as people with higher standing should have a get a higher discount (rewarding their dedication).
The simple and easy fix would balancing the rewards but CCP and ex CSM A.............. decided other (stupid) wise would be a better solution.
So now ppl will be moving to random systems (lowering the "LP velocity" - compareable to the ISK velocity) but not really balancing the rewards.
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Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet.
- referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.03 11:40:00 -
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Gee garr, are you ****ing blind?
Didn't you read that there is no nerf? THERE IS NO NERF!
Just accept and then quit the mission. How hard is it for you? Stop crying, you got what you wanted, now go farm your isk. EVE needs plenty of cheap navy ships and items.
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Naye Nathaniel
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:01:00 -
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We can say there is NO NERF after the DT, someone need to check if u still can quit mission without standing hit or not anymore.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Gee garr, are you ****ing blind?
Didn't you read that there is no nerf? THERE IS NO NERF!
Just accept and then quit the mission. How hard is it for you? Stop crying, you got what you wanted, now go farm your isk. EVE needs plenty of cheap navy ships and items.
I am not sure ... but it was "fixed" because in warning text is also this option covered.
Anyway I think it is possible to farm in small frig gangs.
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Naye Nathaniel
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Naye Nathaniel on 03/12/2009 12:48:48
Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Gee garr, are you ****ing blind?
Didn't you read that there is no nerf? THERE IS NO NERF!
Just accept and then quit the mission. How hard is it for you? Stop crying, you got what you wanted, now go farm your isk. EVE needs plenty of cheap navy ships and items.
I am not sure ... but it was "fixed" because in warning text is also this option covered.
|HASH!|
Someone can confirm it?
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.03 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Gee garr, are you ****ing blind?
Didn't you read that there is no nerf? THERE IS NO NERF!
Just accept and then quit the mission. How hard is it for you? Stop crying, you got what you wanted, now go farm your isk. EVE needs plenty of cheap navy ships and items.
Hmm, I'm somewhat disturbed about the hostility and I already realized that there is no "nerf".
The discussion in this thread already "moved on" to other issues and I actually quoted you in the assembly hall showing that the inherent issue with "farming" is still possible and that inherently had nothing to do with an standing hit on declining (or accepting and then declining) the mission.
Further in case you might have missed it, Im not here to support "farming LP" if you read my post correctly, as Im all up for lowering or balancing the rewards (down) to a reasonable level.
It is the reward that needs to be changed not the standing penality, not matter where and how bad CCP might implement this.
You might want to step back from the keyboard and then look up what I actually wrote rather that just assuming I would be supporting farming LPs.
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Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet.
- referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.03 15:19:00 -
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My only worry is that Caldari mission runners stop running missions because of a nonexistent nerf. Please come back to Oicx! I don't want to have to move my stuff again. 
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Gee garr, are you ****ing blind?
Didn't you read that there is no nerf? THERE IS NO NERF!
Just accept and then quit the mission. How hard is it for you? Stop crying, you got what you wanted, now go farm your isk. EVE needs plenty of cheap navy ships and items.
I haven't tested this myself, so I dunno if it really works or not, however if it does I think it's fair to assume it will likely get fixed. I'd have to assume that CCP made a mistake with that and will likely plug the hole.
Unless of course they just left that as a last min option because they realized the standings hits could be very drastic after all the complaints. Either way I wouldn't expect it to last very long.
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Naye Nathaniel
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Naye Nathaniel on 07/12/2009 18:56:13
BUMP!@#!@#
Yeah another patch with FW hitting is comming!
Im wonder how it's gonna work right now,
I think dear CCP you should FINALLY do something GOOD, and just throw few unplayable/solyable FW missions <3 :]
Since tomorrow im looking for a party member who want to join me in my lv 3/4 missions for 2.5k LP reward or 5K Lp including a terrible risk! ;d come one leave me here any info! ;d
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:22:00 -
[196]
Bastards finally did it right... They forced me to delete all my sell contracts and repost them at 50% higher price. 
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:37:00 -
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is there a penalty for being unable to complete ?
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:24:00 -
[198]
Originally by: X Gallentius
Bastards finally did it right... They forced me to delete all my sell contracts and repost them at 50% higher price.
\o/
Originally by: Insa Rexion
is there a penalty for being unable to complete ?
Itf there isn't I'm sure they'll look into it and fix it right away. :p
-Jin Nib
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 08/12/2009 17:41:52
Originally by: uglybast
The only thing that needs to be nerfed ATM is the ability to do the missions in an Stealth Bomber which makes you almost invunerable to enemy FW players and pirates alike. A few mwd'ing scrambling and webbing frigs in the missions would take care of this.
Not totally. I've lost bombers to
A: Being ******ed
B: Snipe HACS
C: Being ******ed
D: Snipe BS
E: Being ******ed
E: Forgetting that 1-2 seconds of delay if a inty is JUST about to tackle you when warping off
F: Being ******ed.
You can still make good isk with 'em. Doing 'em as a team is more or less the trend these days. Coming from a guy who did this solo in bombers...even I thought it was a bit unbalanced.
Or you could just give the "commander" missions way more spawns, or way more rail/range fits. Or change the spawns to show up in spots where you can never manage transversal in a bomber. However you slice it...bombers solo was disproportionate isk.
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