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AmarrVictor
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: AmarrVictor on 29/11/2009 20:19:55
Hi all.
I'm quite interested in the whole investment industry and I'm about to start trading with this character. My main is Steveid and he will be putting 900 mil into the project and I would like you fine folks to take a punt on the other 100 mil.
I'll primarily be conducting market pvp based around low sec and factional warfare.
So:
 100 million buy in split over 100 shares sold in share amounts of 5 mil max per char.
Interest will be paid at 5% of total amount per week (5% of total fund starting at 1 billion isk).
Interest will be paid before downtime every Monday.
I'm projecting profits to be 50% of the principal meaning I expect payout to be 5% of 1.5 billion split between 100 shares meaning in week 1 I expect to pay a dividend of 3.75 million isk per 5 mil allocation.
I'm going to run this for 40 weeks.
I'll allow shares to be transferred through posting here and me updating the share list.
I'm giving myself the option of buying back the shares at the following times for the following amounts:
Week 10: 100 shares for 200 million
Week 20: 100 shares for 400 million
Week 30: 100 shares for 600 million
Week 40: 100 shares for 800 million
What do I get out of this?
I guess its just a project to run. I always work better when I have targets and participants. This gives me that opportunity.
How to sign up:
Post here, money will go to AmarrVictor but don't give me anything until all share slots are filled and i tell you too. If there's not enough interest to fill the hundred mil then i don't want to be sending back isk.
I'll close allocation on downtime Friday, and expect all payments to be made by downtime Monday to coincide with first payout.
Please feel free to post tips, critiques, smack and wishes of good luck here.
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:26:00 -
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Seems like a lot of extra work for a measly 100m, but if it's mostly for fun, then good luck and enjoy.
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steveid
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:26:00 -
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posting to confirm involvement in above and embarrassment at double post 
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:31:00 -
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It's late here at my domicile.
Am I understanding it correct that my maximum investment would be 5 mil isk?
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steveid
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:33:00 -
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yeah :D Hoping to get 20 people putting in 5 mil isk.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:39:00 -
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 Originally by: steveid
yeah :D Hoping to get 20 people putting in 5 mil isk.
Why? Just curious.
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Hippopotamus Rex
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:43:00 -
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First off, kudos on the level of detail/amount of work that appears to have gone into this.
However, I'm confused by the numbers your are using - perhaps its just me.
You say you will pay 5% weekly, and that is 5% of the entire 1 billion. So you are paying 50M every week? And is that 50M paid out solely to the shareholders of the 100 shares? Because if thats the case, that is 50% a week.
Is the dividend you speak of the same thing as your interest payments? Or is that in addition to the weekly interest payments?
And your buy back plan is in addition to the interest payments?
It would seem you are offering a return of at least 10% a week - 5% a week in interest and between 5.3%-7.2% a week from the buy back (depending on when you recall the shares).
I think it might be best to just speak in terms of the 100M you are asking from investors rather than the total 1 billion. It may clear things up.
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steveid
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:49:00 -
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mainly boredom. If it works out i can go for a bigger bond of say 5 bil with 50% put in by me. Wanted to cut my teeth on something very low risk for the investors before in 6 to 9 months I take a bigger step.
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AmarrVictor
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Posted - 2009.11.29 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex
First off, kudos on the level of detail/amount of work that appears to have gone into this.
However, I'm confused by the numbers your are using - perhaps its just me.
You say you will pay 5% weekly, and that is 5% of the entire 1 billion. So you are paying 50M every week? And is that 50M paid out solely to the shareholders of the 100 shares? Because if thats the case, that is 50% a week.
Is the dividend you speak of the same thing as your interest payments? Or is that in addition to the weekly interest payments?
And your buy back plan is in addition to the interest payments?
It would seem you are offering a return of at least 10% a week - 5% a week in interest and between 5.3%-7.2% a week from the buy back (depending on when you recall the shares).
I think it might be best to just speak in terms of the 100M you are asking from investors rather than the total 1 billion. It may clear things up.
Hi, in (i hope) answer to your questions:
I am proposing 5% of the entire holding whatever that may be at the end of the week. As I'm expecting a 50% return by week end that would be 5% of 1.5 billion that would be split solely between the 100 shares. As you said this is a significant amount of your investment back within 1 week.
The dividend is the interest so they are the same thing
the buy back plan is in addition to the interest payment
So simplified numbers based upon a 5 mil buy would be (on projected earnings).
Week 1: 1 bil holding + 0.5 bil profit = 3.75 million payout
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RKWildCard
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Posted - 2009.11.30 04:04:00 -
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Hi, never "invested" in anything before as rarther new but this seems like as sensible a place to start as any :D
So stick me down for 5 mil worth of shares.
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Samroski
J0urneys End
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Posted - 2009.11.30 06:40:00 -
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I want to invest. Put me down for 5 shares (5 mil).
Having said that.... I do not know what to say.... er.... best of luck!
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0oLuc1fero0
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Posted - 2009.11.30 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: 0oLuc1fero0 on 30/11/2009 07:56:06
Hi put me down for 5 shares (5m) , good luck with your project
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Aerilis
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Posted - 2009.11.30 09:13:00 -
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What the hell I want another row on my spreadsheet
Put me down for 5m
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.11.30 10:26:00 -
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I dont really understand the deal, but what the hell, its only 5m.
I'm in for 5 shares.
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Arcturus Canton
Gallente
The Interim
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Posted - 2009.11.30 11:26:00 -
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Put me down for 5m isk. |
Apaxa
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Posted - 2009.11.30 12:25:00 -
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I'm also in. 5m. Waiting for the message.
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Mr Acerbus
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Posted - 2009.11.30 13:23:00 -
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Sounds interesting, sign me up for 5 million.
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Krull1000
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Posted - 2009.11.30 13:37:00 -
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Why not... Put me down for 5 mil. |
Estella Vance
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Posted - 2009.11.30 13:42:00 -
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Meh, why not.
I'm in for 5 mil.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.30 14:39:00 -
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I'd like to go in for 5mil worth.
How will you notify us that you're ready? A post here or an evemail message?
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Tongxuemen
Gallente
Sinister-Intentions
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Posted - 2009.11.30 15:16:00 -
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Put me down for 5 million in shares. Contact me ingame.
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Malakai Cross
Cross and Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.30 15:18:00 -
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I have been authorized to reserve shares to the worth of 5 million ISK on behalf of Cross and Cross Enterprises.
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Tylwyth Teg
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 16:58:00 -
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I will invest 5mil. Please contact me in game.
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Roguehalo
Caldari
Kimoto Innovations
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Posted - 2009.11.30 17:26:00 -
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This is a scam and this guy has no idea what trading is about.
Quote :- "I'll primarily be conducting market pvp based around low sec and factional warfare."
This is the kind of 'general' statement of intent that typifies scams.
So here's a challenge to the op.
A/ Upload your skill set to Eve.net so we can see exactly what trading skills you have.
B/ Explain in more detail exactly how you go about 'low sec' market pvp and similarly for 'factional warfare' market pvp.
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.11.30 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
This is a scam and this guy has no idea what trading is about.
Quote :- "I'll primarily be conducting market pvp based around low sec and factional warfare."
This is the kind of 'general' statement of intent that typifies scams.
So here's a challenge to the op.
A/ Upload your skill set to Eve.net so we can see exactly what trading skills you have.
B/ Explain in more detail exactly how you go about 'low sec' market pvp and similarly for 'factional warfare' market pvp.
I'd let people make some money off this starter bond, then call him out on the next one which will be the actual scam.
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steveid
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
This is a scam and this guy has no idea what trading is about.
Quote :- "I'll primarily be conducting market pvp based around low sec and factional warfare."
This is the kind of 'general' statement of intent that typifies scams.
So here's a challenge to the op.
A/ Upload your skill set to Eve.net so we can see exactly what trading skills you have.
B/ Explain in more detail exactly how you go about 'low sec' market pvp and similarly for 'factional warfare' market pvp.
As for A, quite simply no. I'll be happy to give my limited api out to somebody to verify whatever it is you think needs verifying. Not sure what skills you think I need tbh. I have several different alts all a variation on the name Cash Collection (cash collections cashcollection etc) each of which have 250 orders and my main can fly a freighter and is adept at multiple contracts.
As for B without getting to specific I would supply low levels over a large distribution area of products that have a high usability and low price elasticity to demand. A few examples of this would be drones, faction ammo, ECCM's and remote repair modules. For these items location is often more important than price to a point.
As an aside to this I would supply high usability ships such as destroyers for market value with associated fittings at a premium to market value. Not so much running a loss leader but squeezing margins on the ships to make profit through synergy.
The contract side of things will be in locating low level high demand contract items such as faction frigates and their cheap faction mods into areas where people will buy and use them. I believe that Dominion will make this an important area and I have positioned myself from a knowledge and stock point of view to exploit this.
Bear in mind that I have spent the last couple of years pvping in all of the different factional warfare arenas flying, dying and fitting the ships I intend to sell. I understand the buyer and know their needs both on a personal level and as a truism for their ilk.
To me its all about selling not goods but convenience. The synergistic methodology will allow me to scour my logs for repeat customers who can then be contacted for full ship builds positioned where they want and need them. I took this approach in my previous dealings with faction pos mods where I dealt in multi billion orders and for the short time it took for the market to change made decent isk.
Bottom line is tho fella, if you don't wanna give me 5 million then don't. Yes it could be that i'm desperate for 100 million and yes this could be a prelude to a bigger offering, the switch bait before a future scam. Actions speak louder than words and I wont even begin to explain to you why this is silly.
I'll be setting up a website by end of week 1 showing actual profits and payouts dependent on this.
For the guys that have pledged, thank you. Once we get to 20 i'll ask for the collect and we'll start on the adventure together.
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Sidurii
AoD Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:51:00 -
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I'll go in for 5 shares.
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Chigy
Minmatar
Eye of God
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.30 21:02:00 -
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5 shares plz
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Roguehalo
Caldari
Kimoto Innovations
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Posted - 2009.11.30 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
Originally by: Roguehalo
This is a scam and this guy has no idea what trading is about.
Quote :- "I'll primarily be conducting market pvp based around low sec and factional warfare."
This is the kind of 'general' statement of intent that typifies scams.
So here's a challenge to the op.
A/ Upload your skill set to Eve.net so we can see exactly what trading skills you have.
B/ Explain in more detail exactly how you go about 'low sec' market pvp and similarly for 'factional warfare' market pvp.
As for A, quite simply no. I'll be happy to give my limited api out to somebody to verify whatever it is you think needs verifying. Not sure what skills you think I need tbh. I have several different alts all a variation on the name Cash Collection (cash collections cashcollection etc) each of which have 250 orders and my main can fly a freighter and is adept at multiple contracts.
As for B without getting to specific I would supply low levels over a large distribution area of products that have a high usability and low price elasticity to demand. A few examples of this would be drones, faction ammo, ECCM's and remote repair modules. For these items location is often more important than price to a point.
As an aside to this I would supply high usability ships such as destroyers for market value with associated fittings at a premium to market value. Not so much running a loss leader but squeezing margins on the ships to make profit through synergy.
The contract side of things will be in locating low level high demand contract items such as faction frigates and their cheap faction mods into areas where people will buy and use them. I believe that Dominion will make this an important area and I have positioned myself from a knowledge and stock point of view to exploit this.
Bear in mind that I have spent the last couple of years pvping in all of the different factional warfare arenas flying, dying and fitting the ships I intend to sell. I understand the buyer and know their needs both on a personal level and as a truism for their ilk.
To me its all about selling not goods but convenience. The synergistic methodology will allow me to scour my logs for repeat customers who can then be contacted for full ship builds positioned where they want and need them. I took this approach in my previous dealings with faction pos mods where I dealt in multi billion orders and for the short time it took for the market to change made decent isk.
Bottom line is tho fella, if you don't wanna give me 5 million then don't. Yes it could be that i'm desperate for 100 million and yes this could be a prelude to a bigger offering, the switch bait before a future scam. Actions speak louder than words and I wont even begin to explain to you why this is silly.
I'll be setting up a website by end of week 1 showing actual profits and payouts dependent on this.
For the guys that have pledged, thank you. Once we get to 20 i'll ask for the collect and we'll start on the adventure together.
Your refusal to disclose what skills you have speaks volumes.
As for the rest of your nonsense........none of it relates to trading in any sense that I understand it. But hell...what do I know about trading?
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Leonora Trask
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Posted - 2009.11.30 21:18:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you do all this just for the sake of doing it? You manoeuver throught the jungle of flames and questions just to gain/scam 100 million?
It doesn't matter how this goes out, your ruining your reputation here. Even if it suceeds and some people make a small (very small) profit out of this you won't be trusted with any sum that really matters for a 2004 character. If you just scam the money you simply won't be trusted with anything again. There will be no "tears to harvest" or anything interesting.
In my opinion you should raise the bond size to at least 500 million. That's still a small bond, but at least there is some fun in it. |
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