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Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:23:00 - [31] hmm following that logic the most deadly weapon should be a sling being shot by a pilot from the window of his bs , its like wow 2500-5000 years of optimisation Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:23:00 - [32] hmm following that logic the most deadly weapon should be a sling being shot by a pilot from the window of his bs , its like wow 2500-5000 years of optimisation Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Earthan hmm following that logic the most deadly weapon should be a sling being shot by a pilot from the window of his bs , its like wow 2500-5000 years of optimisation Ya ofc, pilots using sling bullets from INSIDE their ship to fire at the enemy on teh other side of the window were more succeptible to natural selection then pilots who didn't [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Earthan hmm following that logic the most deadly weapon should be a sling being shot by a pilot from the window of his bs , its like wow 2500-5000 years of optimisation Ya ofc, pilots using sling bullets from INSIDE their ship to fire at the enemy on teh other side of the window were more succeptible to natural selection then pilots who didn't [Heterocephalus glaber]
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:36:00 - [35] lol discorp quite funny , but you get my point... More advanced technology should be at least as good as old one.... Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:36:00 - [36] lol discorp quite funny , but you get my point... More advanced technology should be at least as good as old one.... Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Discorporation ofc, pilots using sling bullets from INSIDE their ship to fire at the enemy on teh other side of the window were more succeptible to natural selection then pilots who didn't --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Discorporation ofc, pilots using sling bullets from INSIDE their ship to fire at the enemy on teh other side of the window were more succeptible to natural selection then pilots who didn't --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Earthan lol discorp quite funny , but you get my point... More advanced technology should be at least as good as old one.... and so it will be TII ammo will be better then TI ammo and TII crystals will be better then TI crystals The fact that lasers suck cap balances nicely with the crystals infinite shots, as well as that the crystals costing a lot more then ammo balances the free cargo-space makes lasers + crystals nicely balanced (as a single weapon group, the MegaPulses are perhaps a bit TOO versatile) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Earthan lol discorp quite funny , but you get my point... More advanced technology should be at least as good as old one.... and so it will be TII ammo will be better then TI ammo and TII crystals will be better then TI crystals The fact that lasers suck cap balances nicely with the crystals infinite shots, as well as that the crystals costing a lot more then ammo balances the free cargo-space makes lasers + crystals nicely balanced (as a single weapon group, the MegaPulses are perhaps a bit TOO versatile) [Heterocephalus glaber]
kurg	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:47:00 - [41] also.. laser pilots has to sacrifice slots for cap regen... so... even the paranoid has real enemies...
kurg	Posted - 2004.11.09 22:47:00 - [42] also.. laser pilots has to sacrifice slots for cap regen... so... even the paranoid has real enemies...
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Earthan lol discorp quite funny , but you get my point... More advanced technology should be at least as good as old one.... and so it will be TII ammo will be better then TI ammo and TII crystals will be better then TI crystals The fact that lasers suck cap balances nicely with the crystals infinite shots, as well as that the crystals costing a lot more then ammo balances the free cargo-space makes lasers + crystals nicely balanced (as a single weapon group, the MegaPulses are perhaps a bit TOO versatile) Understood but not agreed upon. All ammar ships have bonuses towards lasers cap usage making it not a problem. The fact that something costs more doesnt make it balanced. Would you like to have a hybrid blaster canon that costs 200 milions but have optimal of 30 km? I think not. The modules of each race must be balanced in term of capabilities , the price is not that much of importance, otherwise all more advanced player will want to fly one type of ship. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Earthan lol discorp quite funny , but you get my point... More advanced technology should be at least as good as old one.... and so it will be TII ammo will be better then TI ammo and TII crystals will be better then TI crystals The fact that lasers suck cap balances nicely with the crystals infinite shots, as well as that the crystals costing a lot more then ammo balances the free cargo-space makes lasers + crystals nicely balanced (as a single weapon group, the MegaPulses are perhaps a bit TOO versatile) Understood but not agreed upon. All ammar ships have bonuses towards lasers cap usage making it not a problem. The fact that something costs more doesnt make it balanced. Would you like to have a hybrid blaster canon that costs 200 milions but have optimal of 30 km? I think not. The modules of each race must be balanced in term of capabilities , the price is not that much of importance, otherwise all more advanced player will want to fly one type of ship. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Alt duJour	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:05:00 - [45] Originally by: kurg also.. laser pilots has to sacrifice slots for cap regen... so... As opposed to whom? Funny fact regarding laser cap usage on Apocalypse with battleship level 5 trained: base cap usage over time for mega beams is 1% higher than the cap usage of neutron blasters. (3.8 vs 3.75) 10% higher than that of 425 mm rail (3.8 vs 3.46) ... but the cap regen is over 25% faster on Apocalypse due to the capacitor size and the size bonus. And not even mentioning mega pulses which eat less cap on Amarr ships than rails to begin with. So it's not like it's hurting for cap so much more than the hybrid boats, really... au contraire, in fact. --;
Alt duJour	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:05:00 - [46] Originally by: kurg also.. laser pilots has to sacrifice slots for cap regen... so... As opposed to whom? Funny fact regarding laser cap usage on Apocalypse with battleship level 5 trained: base cap usage over time for mega beams is 1% higher than the cap usage of neutron blasters. (3.8 vs 3.75) 10% higher than that of 425 mm rail (3.8 vs 3.46) ... but the cap regen is over 25% faster on Apocalypse due to the capacitor size and the size bonus. And not even mentioning mega pulses which eat less cap on Amarr ships than rails to begin with. So it's not like it's hurting for cap so much more than the hybrid boats, really... au contraire, in fact. --;
Ranger 1	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:08:00 - [47] I think that wisdom would dictate waiting until we can actually test the new tech 2 ammo before having kittens. Kill the enemy, and break their toys.
Ranger 1	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:08:00 - [48] I think that wisdom would dictate waiting until we can actually test the new tech 2 ammo before having kittens. Kill the enemy, and break their toys.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:30:00 - [49] OK. Stupid thread. Lets think about this. Crystals cost a ****load and you need to have multiple sets. Projectiles are older technology than lasers (hello what do people use now?) Lasers arent unbalanced (em / therm are crap damage types) The different ammo types will give different bonuses, so pointless speculation is nothing short of stupid. Also are you seriously insinuating you will use tech 2 ammo to do anything but PvP? I could go on. Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:30:00 - [50] OK. Stupid thread. Lets think about this. Crystals cost a ****load and you need to have multiple sets. Projectiles are older technology than lasers (hello what do people use now?) Lasers arent unbalanced (em / therm are crap damage types) The different ammo types will give different bonuses, so pointless speculation is nothing short of stupid. Also are you seriously insinuating you will use tech 2 ammo to do anything but PvP? I could go on. Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:45:00 - [51] Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2004 23:50:57 Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2004 23:50:05 Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2004 23:49:15 Originally by: Kurenin OK. Stupid thread. Lets think about this. Crystals cost a **load and you need to have multiple sets. Projectiles are older technology than lasers (hello what do people use now?) Lasers arent unbalanced (em / therm are crap damage types) The different ammo types will give different bonuses, so pointless speculation is nothing short of stupid. Also are you seriously insinuating you will use tech 2 ammo to do anything but PvP? I could go on. Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. Thank you for calling my thread stupid ,but i think this thread is quite interesting, if anything you post is lacking in nearly all points. Quote: Crystals cost a load and you need to have multiple sets. Ammo cost a bit especially in 0.0 counting the transportation cost,and you need multiple types of it, tough you cant hold for a big batttle more then 3-4 types in your cargohold (3000 ia nothing extraordinary to be used of large hybrid ammo in battle).You use out ammo very fast.( 3000 = big battle, 1000 thorium = 3-4 spawns ) Ammo is worse in all aspects... And if crystals wont deplete its one cost , ammo is neverending cost. Quote: Projectiles are older technology than lasers (hello what do people use now?) Have you heard about hybrids mr.Einstein? Projectiles are not only guns that use ammo. Hybrids wil be worse hit as they got much higher rof then projectiles. And hybrids are in game most advanced technolagically. Quote: Also are you seriously insinuating you will use tech 2 ammo to do anything but PvP? Yep i can bet anything that if crystals wont deplete all laser users will use them for npc hunting , why the hell wouldnt they?? Quote:** Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. Dont know about projectiles as i use hybrids and missiles but for some reason i more believe the 1000 of reasonable posts saying proj are now weak then your non backed with facts flame. I really dont like poeple who write as if they only knew everything... Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.11.09 23:45:00 - [52] Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2004 23:50:57 Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2004 23:50:05 Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2004 23:49:15 Originally by: Kurenin OK. Stupid thread. Lets think about this. Crystals cost a **load and you need to have multiple sets. Projectiles are older technology than lasers (hello what do people use now?) Lasers arent unbalanced (em / therm are crap damage types) The different ammo types will give different bonuses, so pointless speculation is nothing short of stupid. Also are you seriously insinuating you will use tech 2 ammo to do anything but PvP? I could go on. Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. Thank you for calling my thread stupid ,but i think this thread is quite interesting, if anything you post is lacking in nearly all points. Quote: Crystals cost a load and you need to have multiple sets. Ammo cost a bit especially in 0.0 counting the transportation cost,and you need multiple types of it, tough you cant hold for a big batttle more then 3-4 types in your cargohold (3000 ia nothing extraordinary to be used of large hybrid ammo in battle).You use out ammo very fast.( 3000 = big battle, 1000 thorium = 3-4 spawns ) Ammo is worse in all aspects... And if crystals wont deplete its one cost , ammo is neverending cost. Quote: Projectiles are older technology than lasers (hello what do people use now?) Have you heard about hybrids mr.Einstein? Projectiles are not only guns that use ammo. Hybrids wil be worse hit as they got much higher rof then projectiles. And hybrids are in game most advanced technolagically. Quote: Also are you seriously insinuating you will use tech 2 ammo to do anything but PvP? Yep i can bet anything that if crystals wont deplete all laser users will use them for npc hunting , why the hell wouldnt they?? Quote:** Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. Dont know about projectiles as i use hybrids and missiles but for some reason i more believe the 1000 of reasonable posts saying proj are now weak then your non backed with facts flame. I really dont like poeple who write as if they only knew everything... Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Noriath	Posted - 2004.11.10 00:45:00 - [53] Edited by: Noriath on 10/11/2004 00:48:31 Somehow the argument that lasers use a lot of cap is not very good because all ships that use lasers have insane caps, which means they aren't affected that much by it. In fact, one of the things that people generally will tell you about their Apocs is that they can fire 8 lasers and run 2 armor repairers for pretty much as long as they want while still having an mwd...
Noriath	Posted - 2004.11.10 00:45:00 - [54] Edited by: Noriath on 10/11/2004 00:48:31 Somehow the argument that lasers use a lot of cap is not very good because all ships that use lasers have insane caps, which means they aren't affected that much by it. In fact, one of the things that people generally will tell you about their Apocs is that they can fire 8 lasers and run 2 armor repairers for pretty much as long as they want while still having an mwd...
Xelios	Posted - 2004.11.10 00:55:00 - [55] Edited by: Xelios on 10/11/2004 00:58:36 Quote: Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. Projectiles are unbalanced. I know dozens of Minmatar pilots who have Large Projectile 5, Min Battleship 5 and a host of other gunnery skills to 5 and their Tempests are collecting dust atm. But since you seem to know more than all these people, why don't you give us a good Tempest fit that will compete with an Apoc in pvp and npc hunting?
Xelios	Posted - 2004.11.10 00:55:00 - [56] Edited by: Xelios on 10/11/2004 00:58:36 Quote: Also, to the people that will post saying projectiles are unbalanced, go and change your setup then come back. Thanks. Projectiles are unbalanced. I know dozens of Minmatar pilots who have Large Projectile 5, Min Battleship 5 and a host of other gunnery skills to 5 and their Tempests are collecting dust atm. But since you seem to know more than all these people, why don't you give us a good Tempest fit that will compete with an Apoc in pvp and npc hunting?
F'nog	Posted - 2004.11.10 01:16:00 - [57] I just don't see the point of complaining about something we know nothing about. We don't know what will be required to build T2 ammo, neither the components or the skill requirements. Let's wait and see what they are before *****ing about them.
F'nog	Posted - 2004.11.10 01:16:00 - [58] I just don't see the point of complaining about something we know nothing about. We don't know what will be required to build T2 ammo, neither the components or the skill requirements. Let's wait and see what they are before *****ing about them.
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.11.10 01:32:00 - [59] Originally by: Noriath Edited by: Noriath on 10/11/2004 00:48:31 Somehow the argument that lasers use a lot of cap is not very good because all ships that use lasers have insane caps, which means they aren't affected that much by it. In fact, one of the things that people generally will tell you about their Apocs is that they can fire 8 lasers and run 2 armor repairers for pretty much as long as they want while still having an mwd... If you can show me an apoc pilot who can run a mwd, fire 8 lasers and run 2 large armor repairers for as long as they want, I'll get on my knees and service you and your friends. --
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.11.10 01:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Noriath Edited by: Noriath on 10/11/2004 00:48:31 Somehow the argument that lasers use a lot of cap is not very good because all ships that use lasers have insane caps, which means they aren't affected that much by it. In fact, one of the things that people generally will tell you about their Apocs is that they can fire 8 lasers and run 2 armor repairers for pretty much as long as they want while still having an mwd... If you can show me an apoc pilot who can run a mwd, fire 8 lasers and run 2 large armor repairers for as long as they want, I'll get on my knees and service you and your friends. --

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