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Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.11.30 06:09:00 - [1] Most -- well, all -- of the .01 isk threads I've read on MD moan about ".01 isk games," but no one ever talks about the games. I'll kick this discussion off with a list of my favorites: THE SANDWICH Surround your opponent's order with two of your own to circumvent the 5 minute timer. THE DOUBLE, TRIPLE, ... DECKER Same as above but increasingly complex. EIGHTS AND NINES Long strings of eights and nines are hard to follow in Eve font. THE DOUBLE DIGIT FEINT Alter both the ".01" region and some random number preceding to throw them off...changing a 9 to an 8 (or vice versa when buying) is especially effective. BLIZZARD OF ONES Spam so many low quantity ("quantity 1") sell orders that it's annoying to wade through them.
Chainfall	Posted - 2009.11.30 09:25:00 - [2] My personal favorite is the "double digit feint". I throw it in every once in a while to make sure my competition is on the ball. However, lately I've been doing the 1.00 isk game. I don't really care to deal with the .00 anymore because I feel it's a waste to type in the extra digits if it's all the same.
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2009.11.30 11:53:00 - [3] TBH I rarely bother with these games, if I find my competition is very active I might set up a sandwich, other than that I just CBA :P
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.11.30 12:04:00 - [4] Protip : mousewheel down = -0.01 ISK _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Swiftgaze	Posted - 2009.11.30 13:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T Protip : mousewheel down = -0.01 ISK Seriously?
ropnes	Posted - 2009.11.30 13:27:00 - [6] Yeah, but be warned If you scroll while the market is loading it lags away and drops the order a much larger amount of isk
Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2009.11.30 14:41:00 - [7] I like spoofing their orders. A lot of people will post orders that all end with the same .xx price. Outbid them (games with 8s and 9s are good) and use the same suffix. If you can get close to matching on quantity and duration, so much the better.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.11.30 14:54:00 - [8] I love how it's basically a game of nerd chicken. "I can sit here refreshing orders longer than you, so give up now."
h4u1b	Posted - 2009.11.30 14:58:00 - [9] Edited by: h4u1b on 30/11/2009 14:58:03 buy one from your competitor and move topic to teh warfare and tactics forums edit: damn wrong toon, fail
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.11.30 15:02:00 - [10] I think one of the most important tricks is to get a feel for how often they're checking. If you're bumping right after them, then they get no sales at all. People get discouraged and quit much faster this way. As an aside, I've been 89d, but no one has multi-ordered me, which is weird because it's so effective.
Dzil Caldari RED DESCENT	Posted - 2009.11.30 15:32:00 - [11] Originally by: SetrakDark I love how it's basically a game of nerd chicken. That pretty much sums up market pvp. Also applies to the whole thought process behind "outbid, hold, or buyout?" that everyone has to make as they analyze their positions. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Dzil Caldari RED DESCENT	Posted - 2009.11.30 15:57:00 - [12] To be fair, the eights and nines thing is often not so much an attempt to abuse the font, but rather reverse penny isking on a sell order. I only rarely see it on buy orders. Here's one for the list: THE LOGOFFSKI: Put the trader in your address book, wait till they log off, then .01 all your shared positions. THE LOGOFFSKI REVERSED: Using a trading alt, place the competitor in your address book on the alt, update the order on your main, and log off. Wait for the competitor to .01 isk and log. Now log your original toon back on, and win the position. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Roguehalo Caldari Kimoto Innovations	Posted - 2009.11.30 16:23:00 - [13] Hmmm........ well the new traders only weapon is to inflict tedium on his opponent by constantly updating orders. The experienced trader fights this stratagem by simply destroying the margin while still making a profit. Ofc you need AccountingV Broker RelationsV and lots of mission running for this to work. This ofc is why you see so many 'omg why is this guy crashing the market' whine threads
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2009.11.30 16:38:00 - [14] I don't like .01 ISK games. So it's more or less 1000 ISK games, but the principle stay the same. The items price just crash faster. Good for the customer, that's what I think. Not for other traders though.
Traska Gannel	Posted - 2009.11.30 18:10:00 - [15] Protip: The trading prices for 95% of the T1 items on the market are determined by their reprocess value.
Doomed Predator Red Federation	Posted - 2009.11.30 18:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Alice Celadon THE DOUBLE DIGIT FEINT Alter both the ".01" region and some random number preceding to throw them off...changing a 9 to an 8 (or vice versa when buying) is especially effective. I hate it when I fall for that one. Also,spamming loads of orders with their quantity at 1 is rarely if ever effective. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2009.11.30 19:57:00 - [17] THE RAGE lower (or increase) your order by 10% or more THE FAKE RAGE: do the rage with intention to either buy your competition low to resell it higher or make your competition buy your order for a faster turnaround
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.11.30 20:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Doomed Predator Originally by: SetrakDark I love how it's basically a game of nerd chicken. "I can sit here refreshing orders longer than you, so give up now." You should make a thread about it if you're so butt-hurt. Who's butthurt? It's a game of nerd chicken. I play it. I'm a nerd.
Frecator Dementa Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.30 20:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Akita T Protip : mousewheel down = -0.01 ISK OMFG ! I've been trading for 2 years typing in the god damn **ing 0.01 ISK manually when I could have just done a flick of the mouse wheel? **! ----------------------- forum ate my post again
Sidurii AoD Holdings	Posted - 2009.11.30 20:56:00 - [20] My favorite is to set my sell order for .01 ISK higher than the highest buy so that the guy chasing me clears his order when he updates. Then I can set my sell back to what I wanted it at.
Kaylee Juuna	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm........ well the new traders only weapon is to inflict tedium on his opponent by constantly updating orders. The experienced trader fights this stratagem by simply destroying the margin while still making a profit. Ofc you need AccountingV Broker RelationsV and lots of mission running for this to work. This ofc is why you see so many 'omg why is this guy crashing the market' whine threads Wait, <1% actually makes that much of a difference?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Sidurii My favorite is to set my sell order for .01 ISK higher than the highest buy so that the guy chasing me clears his order when he updates. Then I can set my sell back to what I wanted it at. Whats even funnier is when you do that and for the next hour or so you still see orders going 0.01 lower but at the higher rate. Always makes me wonder if it's people getting ready for my orders to be bought out or if it is a bot.
Kanatta Jing	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:20:00 - [23] I've thought about sitting responsive to every slight eddy in the market, insuring that my stuff will be the first to sell regardless. Then I remember sell Orders last 3 months and I'd really rather have the 0.01 ISK...
Dr Karsun Gallente HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:24:00 - [24] 0.01 isk games are just irritating... I put out my 50 orders as they are and wait till they sell... Finally the 0.01-ers get bought out or something and I sell my products... I personally think there should be a cap of let say 1% value differance, so you put an order equal to the cheapest / most expensive (depends if you sell or buy) or you have to put the order at the same price... And if you change price, it can't be for less than 1% value. I hate these idiotic 0. games... Waste of time of people who don't spend their lives in jita, just want to sell at a decent price... Making custom signatures and banners - check my in-game bio for details!
dickk vandyke	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:46:00 - [25] The worst kind of trader is the one that doesnt play it and crashes the market by selling for like 1m cheaper than current sell order, the worst part is that a lot of people just continue the 0.01 isk game after his 1m jump so he just crashed the market for nothing because most people will continue to play undercutting games with him
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:51:00 - [26] I study the trend of the item and cross it with its underlying materials, then put a big order at my target estimated value, check it 1 week later and find it filled. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Lord Zarcam Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2009.11.30 23:16:00 - [27] Originally by: **k vandyke The worst kind of trader is the one that doesnt play it and crashes the market by selling for like 1m cheaper than current sell order**, the worst part is that a lot of people just continue the 0.01 isk game after his 1m jump so he just crashed the market for nothing because most people will continue to play undercutting games with him Do that all the time and has worked great.... at running off the competition. Seldom do they come back. And I can then make the profit I want! In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream!
Joel McBeth Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.30 23:44:00 - [28] I usually retype the highest buy/lowest sell price in +/- .01 ISK so I don't fall for people who try to change other digits. It gives me typing and math practice. I'm also too lazy to play the .01 isk game seriously. I log update my prices a few times a week, if it doesn't sell I wont even notice, the place I trade in is too low volume to warrant any more effort.
lolcat ninja	Posted - 2009.11.30 23:48:00 - [29] TROFEE HUNT To be played with at least 2 others. You are only allowed to update by 0.01, but you are free to pass your turn whenever you want and let the others update against eachother. Now try to be the first to reach special combinations of last 4 or more digits. (12.34 , 66.66 , 543.21 , 101.01 , etc etc) without skipping a 0.01
lolcat ninja	Posted - 2009.12.01 00:06:00 - [30] PERFECT TIMING Find active 0.01 market. Try to understand the update-patterns of opponents, are there any that update every 5 or 10 or x minutes by specific amount ? Now try to make a 0.01 update just one second before your opponent. Watch as your order is not in top of list because it was only fresh for a second, yet still ranks in all the sells/buys because your opponent updated to the same amount as you did but didn't even see your order. Keep watching to see what happens 5 minutes later ... did he notice your perfect timed update or does he keep his own order as it is, thinking he is still on top ? BLIND SHOT Find active market. Place 0.01 order. Keep following orders for 5+ minutes. Analyse how fast it is going, what isk intervals are used, and how many traders might be involved. Then do not refresh market for x amount of minutes (hide it behind other window if needed). Update your old order, knowing very well that several others have been changed while you were not watching, yet still try to make a perfect 0.01 update. If you hit target, then you have great analyzing skills, yet nobody will ever know because that 0.01 will look like every other 0.01. Still, pat yourself on the back.
Shimasu	Posted - 2009.12.01 00:36:00 - [31] Edited by: Shimasu on 01/12/2009 00:36:25 THE "OMG WHY IS THIS GUY CRASHING THE MARKET?" you notice someone trying to muscle in on your high volume orders. After standard tactics have failed to remove the competition you set your sell to just above, on, or even below standard price. - FOR SALE: HI-SEC RESEARCH POS
Scoutt2	Posted - 2009.12.01 01:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Alice Celadon THE SANDWICH Surround your opponent's order with two of your own to circumvent the 5 minute timer. THE DOUBLE, TRIPLE, ... DECKER Same as above but increasingly complex. Those don't really work because the opponent can just do the same thing.
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.12.01 01:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Scoutt2 Originally by: Alice Celadon THE SANDWICH Surround your opponent's order with two of your own to circumvent the 5 minute timer. THE DOUBLE, TRIPLE, ... DECKER Same as above but increasingly complex. Those don't really work because the opponent can just do the same thing. Au contraire! I use them all the time in my particular market niche to great effect. I assume my opponents believe I am two separate sellers. (Note that I operate in high margin, scarce volume markets, so that a competitor "checking" my identity would cost ~50mil. at least.)
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.01 01:51:00 - [34] Edited by: SetrakDark on 01/12/2009 01:51:48 Agreed. That definitely works.
Throckbane	Posted - 2009.12.01 17:18:00 - [35] Put a low volume sell order just above reprocess value, but where you still lose money due to broker fees and sales tax. (Lower the price in chunks rather than all at once.) Wait for 2 people to .01 isk you, then hike your price back up to a reasonable price. It always surprises me every time it actually works.
Order Mae	Posted - 2009.12.01 17:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Doomed Predator Originally by: SetrakDark I love how it's basically a game of nerd chicken. "I can sit here refreshing orders longer than you, so give up now." You should make a thread about it if you're so butt-hurt. He just did. /thread
clixoras	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:57:00 - [37] Originally by: ****k vandyke The worst kind of trader is the one that doesnt play it and crashes the market by selling for like 1m cheaper than current sell order, the worst part is that a lot of people just continue the 0.01 isk game after his 1m jump so he just crashed the market for nothing because most people will continue to play undercutting games with him The worst? Actually i kinda like these guys, just buy their stuff and relist. And even if you don't there probably is a healthy margin left.
Sawyer LaFleur	Posted - 2009.12.02 19:50:00 - [38] I won't get into any "right or wrong" of it.. it is pvp.. but, If you are sharing a market in an item with 2 or 3 people, and you get a pretty good sense that they're going to stick around and its just a matter of game play time who's going to get the orders filed, You all save each other's time and have an "honor amoung thieves" sort of curesey if you just .01 (or so) up/down with the mouse wheel . The other games waste all of each others time and unless thats fun for you, you're ultimately wasting your own time that could be spent making isk other ways. (the mouse wheel tip is really a time saver.. you still verify the price change always always always if you're smart (you never know when you might have hit another key that took out the decimal or something)
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.12.03 03:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Order Mae He just did. /thread You don't get to /thread your own post. ----------------
Tia Tzu Caldari G.E.A.R.	Posted - 2009.12.03 04:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I study the trend of the item and cross it with its underlying materials, then put a big order at my target estimated value, check it 1 week later and find it filled. this
lexitus	Posted - 2009.12.03 21:05:00 - [41] For me the only trading thing I do is buy/haul ships to my home region and sell for a low profit compared to u big guys ( mybe a mill isk per ship in profit). I put the ships up for the best offer at the time but of course I get undercut over the next days but even with 5-10 sell orders agave me I still manage to sell my ships off usually 1 per day. For u big time traders is it that big of an issue to allways be that top guy? I quess just to have that faster turn around?
Mythrantar Caldari Darkwave Technologies	Posted - 2009.12.03 21:26:00 - [42] Originally by: lexitus For me the only trading thing I do is buy/haul ships to my home region and sell for a low profit compared to u big guys ( mybe a mill isk per ship in profit). I put the ships up for the best offer at the time but of course I get undercut over the next days but even with 5-10 sell orders agave me I still manage to sell my ships off usually 1 per day. For u big time traders is it that big of an issue to allways be that top guy? I quess just to have that faster turn around? To quote the old axiom: Time is money!
Valator Uel Caldari X-pell vae Victis .	Posted - 2009.12.04 01:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Alice Celadon THE DOUBLE DIGIT FEINT Alter both the ".01" region and some random number preceding to throw them off...changing a 9 to an 8 (or vice versa when buying) is especially effective. Haha, I do this a lot, and it's quite funny to watch competitors fall for it. As a bonus you now have a better timer than him, so you can update your price the second he updates his. Quote: Aya > Hostile tcf gang coming to h-pa Deva Blackfire > ships? Ralarina > Yes, in ships
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.12.04 02:44:00 - [44] Originally by: ****k vandyke The worst kind of trader is the one that doesnt play it and crashes the market by selling for like 1m cheaper than current sell order, the worst part is that a lot of people just continue the 0.01 isk game after his 1m jump so he just crashed the market for nothing because most people will continue to play undercutting games with him This is actually quite fun, you can suck all of the profit entirely out of a market, and fill your trivially small order all at the same time. It's especially fun when you can increase your buy order value by about 5m, and the guy with the bigger order increases his by a value of several hundred million just to keep up. If you're paying enough attention you can often work it until the price is much higher than some other region, dump your stock and go buy there.
Davramm	Posted - 2009.12.04 02:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: ****k vandyke The worst kind of trader is the one that doesnt play it and crashes the market by selling for like 1m cheaper than current sell order, the worst part is that a lot of people just continue the 0.01 isk game after his 1m jump so he just crashed the market for nothing because most people will continue to play undercutting games with him This is actually quite fun, you can suck all of the profit entirely out of a market, and fill your trivially small order all at the same time. It's especially fun when you can increase your buy order value by about 5m, and the guy with the bigger order increases his by a value of several hundred million just to keep up. If you're paying enough attention you can often work it until the price is much higher than some other region, dump your stock and go buy there. I love that game, the more you guys do that the happier i get =) New Eden Trading
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.12.04 02:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Scoutt2 Originally by: Alice Celadon THE SANDWICH Surround your opponent's order with two of your own to circumvent the 5 minute timer. THE DOUBLE, TRIPLE, ... DECKER Same as above but increasingly complex. Those don't really work because the opponent can just do the same thing. It depends on how much capital they have, how many orders they have, how many items it is they want to buy, what level of margin trading they have, if they want to spend the isk on broker fees, and if halving their order size means a good chance that one will be entirely filled with one sale/purchase and you will get yours filled with the overflow. That, plus, despite people being 'able' to do it, most don't.
The AEther Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.04 03:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Scoutt2 Originally by: Alice Celadon THE SANDWICH Surround your opponent's order with two of your own to circumvent the 5 minute timer. THE DOUBLE, TRIPLE, ... DECKER Same as above but increasingly complex. Those don't really work because the opponent can just do the same thing. only if your opponent has enough open orders, so here you just betting that he or she is operating full or close to full Originally by: Shimasu THE "OMG WHYS THIS GUY CRASHING THE MARKET?" you notice someone trying to muscle in on your high volume orders. After standard tactics have failed to remove the competition you set your sell to just above, on, or even below standard price. Works nicely as a counter to traders practicing Logoffskis and Reserve Logoffskis who just seem to be always online playing EVE 16/7. When noticing that someone has added you to their addressbook devote some time to ruining the profit margin on whatever it is that they are camping. Originally by: Throckbane Put a low volume sell order just above reprocess value, but where you still lose money due to broker fees and sales tax. (Lower the price in chunks rather than all at once.) Wait for 2 people to .01 isk you, then hike your price back up to a reasonable price. It always surprises me every time it actually works. Some people are not buying crap items to reprocess them. I used to purchase low meta cheap items for communal corp hangar and it didn't really matter if what I bought stuff at 5K or 15K ISK which was probably above the reprocess value.
Tarinara	Posted - 2009.12.04 11:59:00 - [48] Originally by: lexitus For me the only trading thing I do is buy/haul ships to my home region and sell for a low profit compared to u big guys ( mybe a mill isk per ship in profit). I put the ships up for the best offer at the time but of course I get undercut over the next days but even with 5-10 sell orders agave me I still manage to sell my ships off usually 1 per day. For u big time traders is it that big of an issue to allways be that top guy? I quess just to have that faster turn around? I bought around 300 Punishers one day, reprocessed them, sold the minerals "quick-quick" and made around 8mil for my efforts. I also helped solve the argument two folks were having about who could make the least amount of ISK selling ships..
Elderberry Whine	Posted - 2009.12.05 14:12:00 - [49] Thanks for all the tips! I woulda had to do this for years before I figure all dis s**t out I specially love da pain and hirt when someone sels for a lower price.

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