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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.10 03:22:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Nervar
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
Buy game cards with another credit card number??
ah, didn't know about those sorta things 
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.10 03:22:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Nervar
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
Buy game cards with another credit card number??
ah, didn't know about those sorta things
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.10 04:46:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Lygos on 10/11/2004 04:49:46
Honestly I couldn't imagine not playing my character for that much time. But from a neutral standpoint, the mechanics of it are interesting.
Regulating newbie advancement is the only idea I see for disallowing the mechanization of ore acquisition. And how much of the game does newbiedom really occupy? It's a little sadistic to encourage someone to mine at that stage in their career and at that level of efficiency.
If ore aquisition were mechanized ingame, we could all be capitalists in the proper sense. It could be a good isk sink too, unlike the ones we have seen heretofore. There would be more lots of POS to blow up if POS contributed to their own construction. Not totally contributed, but a fair bit. Empires could grow and fall much faster. Without tons of POS around, it is necessary to beef up their defense significantly. (And so long as conquerable stations around, I anticipate minimal 0.0 development of POS soft targets.)
EVE has almost endless ability to absorb and recycle ore to and from the backend. "Unfair" distribution of isk is handled neatly by many of the ingame hyper-capitalist mechanisms. All ccp has to do is tweak a few tables to keep up. Neither CCP nor individuals pursuing mechanization really fazes me.
If anything, too little ore is being shuttled into the markets. There is less market force active on minerals than you think too. Ask the nearest miner or manufacturer who's been doing it for long enough if they really agree.
----- The only real concern is that individuals are abusing the code of EVE or otherwise attracting out of game civil reckoning as per the EULA. However, it is within the capacity of CCP to take steps to eliminate the incentives for these activities rather than expend resources to endlessly react to them. Finally, this is for CCP to deal with as it is their product and their business - not a debate - and that is inviolably within their purview. Anticipate this thread to be locked post-haste. --------
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.10 04:46:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Lygos on 10/11/2004 04:49:46
Honestly I couldn't imagine not playing my character for that much time. But from a neutral standpoint, the mechanics of it are interesting.
Regulating newbie advancement is the only idea I see for disallowing the mechanization of ore acquisition. And how much of the game does newbiedom really occupy? It's a little sadistic to encourage someone to mine at that stage in their career and at that level of efficiency.
If ore aquisition were mechanized ingame, we could all be capitalists in the proper sense. It could be a good isk sink too, unlike the ones we have seen heretofore. There would be more lots of POS to blow up if POS contributed to their own construction. Not totally contributed, but a fair bit. Empires could grow and fall much faster. Without tons of POS around, it is necessary to beef up their defense significantly. (And so long as conquerable stations around, I anticipate minimal 0.0 development of POS soft targets.)
EVE has almost endless ability to absorb and recycle ore to and from the backend. "Unfair" distribution of isk is handled neatly by many of the ingame hyper-capitalist mechanisms. All ccp has to do is tweak a few tables to keep up. Neither CCP nor individuals pursuing mechanization really fazes me.
If anything, too little ore is being shuttled into the markets. There is less market force active on minerals than you think too. Ask the nearest miner or manufacturer who's been doing it for long enough if they really agree.
----- The only real concern is that individuals are abusing the code of EVE or otherwise attracting out of game civil reckoning as per the EULA. However, it is within the capacity of CCP to take steps to eliminate the incentives for these activities rather than expend resources to endlessly react to them. Finally, this is for CCP to deal with as it is their product and their business - not a debate - and that is inviolably within their purview. Anticipate this thread to be locked post-haste. --------
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:03:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 10/11/2004 06:07:13
new macroers found in yulai!
peter li
lanseyaoji
jin kiss (wonder , any relation to the banned kissjin ? O_o)
stronger
ultrathreat
vinson zhang
vane dong
emperar |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:03:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 10/11/2004 06:07:13
new macroers found in yulai!
peter li
lanseyaoji
jin kiss (wonder , any relation to the banned kissjin ? O_o)
stronger
ultrathreat
vinson zhang
vane dong
emperar |
F'nog
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:17:00 -
[37]
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:17:00 -
[38]
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:25:00 -
[39]
lygos , this isnt a debate .
its an informative post to educate people how to spot
and bust macro miners .
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:25:00 -
[40]
lygos , this isnt a debate .
its an informative post to educate people how to spot
and bust macro miners .
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Nimrodz2
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Posted - 2004.11.10 08:33:00 -
[41]
Macro is not permitted in the game. We that do abide by the laws of the game are now second to the chancers. Yes I do sit 5 - 6 hours on end at my pc draging my ore from my Maller into a can which is then in turn taken by Indy who in turn just sits and jumps between station and me hauling. So I work hard for my money, now comes this A$$.... Macro mine couple mil units and sel it for lower price on the market. You ppl think that is FAIR or no SO bad ?
"But... Invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!" |
Nimrodz2
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Posted - 2004.11.10 08:33:00 -
[42]
Macro is not permitted in the game. We that do abide by the laws of the game are now second to the chancers. Yes I do sit 5 - 6 hours on end at my pc draging my ore from my Maller into a can which is then in turn taken by Indy who in turn just sits and jumps between station and me hauling. So I work hard for my money, now comes this A$$.... Macro mine couple mil units and sel it for lower price on the market. You ppl think that is FAIR or no SO bad ?
"But... Invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!" |
Vogon
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:02:00 -
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I've been ripping these guys off for months now. They appear in high sec space....always the same group, normaly split into two groups. If they've been banned, you've just killed my cash cow.
I've parked next to them and hauled their ore into my hold as it appears, I've dropped my `You've been Vogoned' bookmark into their can, even dropped a `Macro boys' bookmark but still the ore keeps coming. Eventualy they/ he spots whats going on and they all warp out to pastures new.
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:02:00 -
[44]
I've been ripping these guys off for months now. They appear in high sec space....always the same group, normaly split into two groups. If they've been banned, you've just killed my cash cow.
I've parked next to them and hauled their ore into my hold as it appears, I've dropped my `You've been Vogoned' bookmark into their can, even dropped a `Macro boys' bookmark but still the ore keeps coming. Eventualy they/ he spots whats going on and they all warp out to pastures new.
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:25:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know  )
strip mining 1.0 systems? OH NO! where will we get our veldspar now?? 
look at it this way, i dont like ore thieves, its lame, but its fair play either way. it boils down to the fact that a jet can is a free can to all. if these macro miners are jetting the ore, why in gods name did you petition them? DUH! get yourself a fat indy down there and loot as much as you can! teach them the hard way, they will stop it pretty damn sharpish. meanwhile you get to be a rich man for someone elses exploiting.
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:25:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
strip mining 1.0 systems? OH NO! where will we get our veldspar now??
look at it this way, i dont like ore thieves, its lame, but its fair play either way. it boils down to the fact that a jet can is a free can to all. if these macro miners are jetting the ore, why in gods name did you petition them? DUH! get yourself a fat indy down there and loot as much as you can! teach them the hard way, they will stop it pretty damn sharpish. meanwhile you get to be a rich man for someone elses exploiting.
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Nefteus
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Posted - 2004.11.10 10:37:00 -
[47]
I agree,
lets bleed them dry
I'll get my 29000m3 mark5 out right away
Thanks for the info Kitty, are there any other macros I dont know of?
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Nefteus
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Posted - 2004.11.10 10:37:00 -
[48]
I agree,
lets bleed them dry
I'll get my 29000m3 mark5 out right away
Thanks for the info Kitty, are there any other macros I dont know of?
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:37:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:50
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practise plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Thats the point your missing, the fast amount of PC user (I presume) doesn't have the knowledge to setup a macro and thus the macro miner s would gain a very large advantage over the simpleton normal miners. Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
These are my thoughts and view s and should only be viewed in that light.
actualy a simple macro is rediculosly easy to make ... complex macro take time and effort but can be done with little dedication to issue
The big problem is thees massive scale macro miners in secure space
one who strip secure space with fleet of 10 alt's
there is not much harm done by sinle player simpple "Cargo to orecan macro" what simply lobes the ore from cargo to can (that motion can give you ache wrist!)... alloving the player to watch TV while mining semi AFK - because as you all know - mining is abaut as fun as watching paint dry
luckily i dont mine and there is no combat macros that i am awere of
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:37:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:50
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practise plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Thats the point your missing, the fast amount of PC user (I presume) doesn't have the knowledge to setup a macro and thus the macro miner s would gain a very large advantage over the simpleton normal miners. Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
These are my thoughts and view s and should only be viewed in that light.
actualy a simple macro is rediculosly easy to make ... complex macro take time and effort but can be done with little dedication to issue
The big problem is thees massive scale macro miners in secure space
one who strip secure space with fleet of 10 alt's
there is not much harm done by sinle player simpple "Cargo to orecan macro" what simply lobes the ore from cargo to can (that motion can give you ache wrist!)... alloving the player to watch TV while mining semi AFK - because as you all know - mining is abaut as fun as watching paint dry
luckily i dont mine and there is no combat macros that i am awere of
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Gevronder
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:40:00 -
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The people behind this are most probably these guys. You will find their staff 'working' in most MMOGs.
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Gevronder
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:40:00 -
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The people behind this are most probably these guys. You will find their staff 'working' in most MMOGs.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:44:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:08
This is WERY disturbing development
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:08
This is WERY disturbing development
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:51:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/11/2004 12:00:47
Originally by: Siddy
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:48:27
CCP shuld make a Clear statement on EVE-O main pages that it DONT SUPPORT MACRO'S OR ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY PROGRAM's and consider them to be eleagal and eula braking!
after that a some sort "spot a macro" team to monitor activity and possible macro treaths
This is WERY disturbing development
As far as I recall it is against the EULA to use macro's to mine with.
Sounds like we need ore thieves in numbers to combat this plague, if they are afk, well lets face it they won't shoot back at someone taking from thier can. Macro mining is such an unfair advantage and it is different from people having multiple accounts because a person running multiple accounts still has to do something even if it means piloting thier hauler with 1 miner II to the belt.
In fact the answer maybe here.
Oh and I have to say I love your sig picture.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:51:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/11/2004 12:00:47
Originally by: Siddy
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:48:27
CCP shuld make a Clear statement on EVE-O main pages that it DONT SUPPORT MACRO'S OR ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY PROGRAM's and consider them to be eleagal and eula braking!
after that a some sort "spot a macro" team to monitor activity and possible macro treaths
This is WERY disturbing development
As far as I recall it is against the EULA to use macro's to mine with.
Sounds like we need ore thieves in numbers to combat this plague, if they are afk, well lets face it they won't shoot back at someone taking from thier can. Macro mining is such an unfair advantage and it is different from people having multiple accounts because a person running multiple accounts still has to do something even if it means piloting thier hauler with 1 miner II to the belt.
In fact the answer maybe here.
Oh and I have to say I love your sig picture.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 12:17:00 -
[57]
Read this
Macro's are bad ,mmmkay?
If you suspect someone is using a macro petition them and continue to do so, make screenshoots and send them, steal their ore and see the lack of reaction.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 12:17:00 -
[58]
Read this
Macro's are bad ,mmmkay?
If you suspect someone is using a macro petition them and continue to do so, make screenshoots and send them, steal their ore and see the lack of reaction.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:19:00 -
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i dont get it, why cant they just get concord to shot them down if they behave in the manor stated.
i miss the old days when you could go after belt rackers with a caracl and mwd's with torps and get out.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:19:00 -
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i dont get it, why cant they just get concord to shot them down if they behave in the manor stated.
i miss the old days when you could go after belt rackers with a caracl and mwd's with torps and get out.
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