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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:33:00 -
[1]
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
 |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:33:00 -
[2]
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:48:00 -
[3]
Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 09/11/2004 22:53:54
Is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practice plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:48:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 09/11/2004 22:53:54
Is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practice plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
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Lord Zip
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:48:00 -
[5]
Wow, I didnt realise this was such a problem, consider my eyes open :D
Yes, I am an alt, but my anonymity gives me the freedom of speech that my gutless main cannot have ;) |
Lord Zip
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:48:00 -
[6]
Wow, I didnt realise this was such a problem, consider my eyes open :D
Yes, I am an alt, but my anonymity gives me the freedom of speech that my gutless main cannot have ;) |
Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:49:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: Kitty Claw
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
Well done for taking the time and effort for actually helping to catch these guys / girls. 
All do i really do protest at robbing ore, but lets not turn this into anothe ore thief thread 
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:49:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
Well done for taking the time and effort for actually helping to catch these guys / girls.
All do i really do protest at robbing ore, but lets not turn this into anothe ore thief thread
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:52:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practise plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Thats the point your missing, the fast amount of PC user (I presume) doesn't have the knowledge to setup a macro and thus the macro miner s would gain a very large advantage over the simpleton normal miners. Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know  )
These are my thoughts and view s and should only be viewed in that light.
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:52:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practise plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Thats the point your missing, the fast amount of PC user (I presume) doesn't have the knowledge to setup a macro and thus the macro miner s would gain a very large advantage over the simpleton normal miners. Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
These are my thoughts and view s and should only be viewed in that light.
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:53:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
does that answer your question ? |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:53:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
does that answer your question ? |
Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:56:00 -
[13]
fair enough, I now consider myself educated on the subject then
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.09 22:56:00 -
[14]
fair enough, I now consider myself educated on the subject then
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.11.09 23:10:00 -
[15]
Next time you spot these guys lemme know and I'll send a friend with an indy to relieve them of their ore.
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.11.09 23:10:00 -
[16]
Next time you spot these guys lemme know and I'll send a friend with an indy to relieve them of their ore.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.11.09 23:51:00 -
[17]
What about allowing some selected high standards pirates to help concord in fighting the macro mining threat ? 
I would gladly help in cleaning the belts in 1.0 from them 
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.11.09 23:51:00 -
[18]
What about allowing some selected high standards pirates to help concord in fighting the macro mining threat ?
I would gladly help in cleaning the belts in 1.0 from them
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.10 01:22:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Nervar on 10/11/2004 01:39:07
Yup the plague that has ruined other games are now upon us..
This is a big buisniss so even thoug you manage to bann 3 accounts, the offenders will just buy 3 new accounts and start over again as its so lucrative to sell virtual money these days.
Lucky for us that there is a fixed timer on how fast one can train up their mining skill's
If not these people would train up another alt army inn days..
After wathing it destroy linage2 im not at all surprised that we see people with names like this: guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.10 01:22:00 -
[20]
Edited by: Nervar on 10/11/2004 01:39:07
Yup the plague that has ruined other games are now upon us..
This is a big buisniss so even thoug you manage to bann 3 accounts, the offenders will just buy 3 new accounts and start over again as its so lucrative to sell virtual money these days.
Lucky for us that there is a fixed timer on how fast one can train up their mining skill's
If not these people would train up another alt army inn days..
After wathing it destroy linage2 im not at all surprised that we see people with names like this: guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.10 01:46:00 -
[21]
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.10 01:46:00 -
[22]
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:16:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
Buy game cards with another credit card number??
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:16:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
Buy game cards with another credit card number??
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:39:00 -
[25]
Edited by: flummox on 10/11/2004 02:42:11
hmmmmmm? maybe we should ban people who use caffeine or other stimulating chemicals to keep them awake longer than their natural allotment of awake-time. that, too, has an effect on the game/economy of eve...
vote for 8 hour per day game limits, too !!
sorry. not trying to be a jerk. it just happens naturally i guess. but, seriously. think about it a second. sure, macroing is kinda unfair. well, a little more than "kinda". but so is one person having 10 accounts.... right? isn't that unfair, too? takes the whole co-op outta the game. and people with different work schedules get better playtimes than people who work longer hours or have more R/L responsibility keeping them from playing. shouldn't we regulate this as well?
what about AFK Indy mining? this, too, allows a person to "make money" while "away from the game". is this wrong? personally, i don't think so.
i think a person who sets up a macro 23/7 on multiple accounts is not helping the game. that is a totally solo thing there. it's greed at it's best reflected in and out of the game. but, what if i wanted to setup a small macro simply to drag ore from my hold to a secure can in space while i was at my desk? sure, i could do it myself, but when you're typing or trying to manage other things, it is simply a nuisance. that type of macroing is NOT game/economy effecting at all. it's just a tool to allow the player to do something else than watch the clock every minute. i could also argue the point of Carpol Tunnel, but i'm not going to. just keep it in the back of your head...
i think anything that let's you "make more than you would at your desk" is a problem. but things that help you automate a very repetitive task is just plain smarts!
you could also argue with RP things: f.ex... "Computer, start mining cycle laser 1, 2, and 3 on target 01; and laser 4 and 5 on target 02. Set repeat..." and head for the damn toilet to relieve the spacewaste... 
p.s. good job, Kitty Claw!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:39:00 -
[26]
Edited by: flummox on 10/11/2004 02:42:11
hmmmmmm? maybe we should ban people who use caffeine or other stimulating chemicals to keep them awake longer than their natural allotment of awake-time. that, too, has an effect on the game/economy of eve...
vote for 8 hour per day game limits, too !!
sorry. not trying to be a jerk. it just happens naturally i guess. but, seriously. think about it a second. sure, macroing is kinda unfair. well, a little more than "kinda". but so is one person having 10 accounts.... right? isn't that unfair, too? takes the whole co-op outta the game. and people with different work schedules get better playtimes than people who work longer hours or have more R/L responsibility keeping them from playing. shouldn't we regulate this as well?
what about AFK Indy mining? this, too, allows a person to "make money" while "away from the game". is this wrong? personally, i don't think so.
i think a person who sets up a macro 23/7 on multiple accounts is not helping the game. that is a totally solo thing there. it's greed at it's best reflected in and out of the game. but, what if i wanted to setup a small macro simply to drag ore from my hold to a secure can in space while i was at my desk? sure, i could do it myself, but when you're typing or trying to manage other things, it is simply a nuisance. that type of macroing is NOT game/economy effecting at all. it's just a tool to allow the player to do something else than watch the clock every minute. i could also argue the point of Carpol Tunnel, but i'm not going to. just keep it in the back of your head...
i think anything that let's you "make more than you would at your desk" is a problem. but things that help you automate a very repetitive task is just plain smarts!
you could also argue with RP things: f.ex... "Computer, start mining cycle laser 1, 2, and 3 on target 01; and laser 4 and 5 on target 02. Set repeat..." and head for the damn toilet to relieve the spacewaste...
p.s. good job, Kitty Claw!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Tyche
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:56:00 -
[27]
Originally by: flummox
You could also argue with RP things: f.ex... "Computer, start mining cycle laser 1, 2, and 3 on target 01; and laser 4 and 5 on target 02. Set repeat..." and head for the damn toilet to relieve the spacewaste...
Notice that the activity of mining takes highly trained pod pilots with the mining and astrogeology skills. I think it's safe to assume that your character isn't just twiddling his/her thumbs while the lasers are running.
Much madness is divinest sense
To a discerning eye;
Much sense the starkest madness.
ĘT is the majority
In this, as all, prevails.
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,-youĘre straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain. |
Tyche
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:56:00 -
[28]
Originally by: flummox
You could also argue with RP things: f.ex... "Computer, start mining cycle laser 1, 2, and 3 on target 01; and laser 4 and 5 on target 02. Set repeat..." and head for the damn toilet to relieve the spacewaste...
Notice that the activity of mining takes highly trained pod pilots with the mining and astrogeology skills. I think it's safe to assume that your character isn't just twiddling his/her thumbs while the lasers are running.
Much madness is divinest sense
To a discerning eye;
Much sense the starkest madness.
ĘT is the majority
In this, as all, prevails.
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,-youĘre straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain. |
Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:59:00 -
[29]
That macroer who runs the 12 accounts I named a while back admitted to mining 50 million units of veldspar a day. Multiply that per week and its a freaking lot of isk for one single person to be making, especially when they're not even at the keyboard.
Remember most people paying for 6 8 12 accounts to macro are business ventures who don't care about EVE, don't really even play EVE. They just want to suck as much money out of the game before they get banned or Eve closes. Granted they probably live in China or some other 1 dollar a day country so we can hardly blame them really but still they are not helping EVE or us at all.
Oh yeah, the Macro Fanbois will be here soon to abuse you for poking your nose into others peoples businesses (literally) so watchout
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.11.10 02:59:00 -
[30]
That macroer who runs the 12 accounts I named a while back admitted to mining 50 million units of veldspar a day. Multiply that per week and its a freaking lot of isk for one single person to be making, especially when they're not even at the keyboard.
Remember most people paying for 6 8 12 accounts to macro are business ventures who don't care about EVE, don't really even play EVE. They just want to suck as much money out of the game before they get banned or Eve closes. Granted they probably live in China or some other 1 dollar a day country so we can hardly blame them really but still they are not helping EVE or us at all.
Oh yeah, the Macro Fanbois will be here soon to abuse you for poking your nose into others peoples businesses (literally) so watchout
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.10 03:22:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Nervar
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
Buy game cards with another credit card number??
ah, didn't know about those sorta things
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.11.10 03:22:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Nervar
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
can't they ban credit card numbers/debit cards etc?? instead of just accounts?
Buy game cards with another credit card number??
ah, didn't know about those sorta things
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.10 04:46:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Lygos on 10/11/2004 04:49:46
Honestly I couldn't imagine not playing my character for that much time. But from a neutral standpoint, the mechanics of it are interesting.
Regulating newbie advancement is the only idea I see for disallowing the mechanization of ore acquisition. And how much of the game does newbiedom really occupy? It's a little sadistic to encourage someone to mine at that stage in their career and at that level of efficiency.
If ore aquisition were mechanized ingame, we could all be capitalists in the proper sense. It could be a good isk sink too, unlike the ones we have seen heretofore. There would be more lots of POS to blow up if POS contributed to their own construction. Not totally contributed, but a fair bit. Empires could grow and fall much faster. Without tons of POS around, it is necessary to beef up their defense significantly. (And so long as conquerable stations around, I anticipate minimal 0.0 development of POS soft targets.)
EVE has almost endless ability to absorb and recycle ore to and from the backend. "Unfair" distribution of isk is handled neatly by many of the ingame hyper-capitalist mechanisms. All ccp has to do is tweak a few tables to keep up. Neither CCP nor individuals pursuing mechanization really fazes me.
If anything, too little ore is being shuttled into the markets. There is less market force active on minerals than you think too. Ask the nearest miner or manufacturer who's been doing it for long enough if they really agree.
----- The only real concern is that individuals are abusing the code of EVE or otherwise attracting out of game civil reckoning as per the EULA. However, it is within the capacity of CCP to take steps to eliminate the incentives for these activities rather than expend resources to endlessly react to them. Finally, this is for CCP to deal with as it is their product and their business - not a debate - and that is inviolably within their purview. Anticipate this thread to be locked post-haste. --------
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.10 04:46:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Lygos on 10/11/2004 04:49:46
Honestly I couldn't imagine not playing my character for that much time. But from a neutral standpoint, the mechanics of it are interesting.
Regulating newbie advancement is the only idea I see for disallowing the mechanization of ore acquisition. And how much of the game does newbiedom really occupy? It's a little sadistic to encourage someone to mine at that stage in their career and at that level of efficiency.
If ore aquisition were mechanized ingame, we could all be capitalists in the proper sense. It could be a good isk sink too, unlike the ones we have seen heretofore. There would be more lots of POS to blow up if POS contributed to their own construction. Not totally contributed, but a fair bit. Empires could grow and fall much faster. Without tons of POS around, it is necessary to beef up their defense significantly. (And so long as conquerable stations around, I anticipate minimal 0.0 development of POS soft targets.)
EVE has almost endless ability to absorb and recycle ore to and from the backend. "Unfair" distribution of isk is handled neatly by many of the ingame hyper-capitalist mechanisms. All ccp has to do is tweak a few tables to keep up. Neither CCP nor individuals pursuing mechanization really fazes me.
If anything, too little ore is being shuttled into the markets. There is less market force active on minerals than you think too. Ask the nearest miner or manufacturer who's been doing it for long enough if they really agree.
----- The only real concern is that individuals are abusing the code of EVE or otherwise attracting out of game civil reckoning as per the EULA. However, it is within the capacity of CCP to take steps to eliminate the incentives for these activities rather than expend resources to endlessly react to them. Finally, this is for CCP to deal with as it is their product and their business - not a debate - and that is inviolably within their purview. Anticipate this thread to be locked post-haste. --------
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:03:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 10/11/2004 06:07:13
new macroers found in yulai!
peter li
lanseyaoji
jin kiss (wonder , any relation to the banned kissjin ? O_o)
stronger
ultrathreat
vinson zhang
vane dong
emperar |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:03:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 10/11/2004 06:07:13
new macroers found in yulai!
peter li
lanseyaoji
jin kiss (wonder , any relation to the banned kissjin ? O_o)
stronger
ultrathreat
vinson zhang
vane dong
emperar |
F'nog
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:17:00 -
[37]
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:17:00 -
[38]
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:25:00 -
[39]
lygos , this isnt a debate .
its an informative post to educate people how to spot
and bust macro miners .
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:25:00 -
[40]
lygos , this isnt a debate .
its an informative post to educate people how to spot
and bust macro miners .
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Nimrodz2
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Posted - 2004.11.10 08:33:00 -
[41]
Macro is not permitted in the game. We that do abide by the laws of the game are now second to the chancers. Yes I do sit 5 - 6 hours on end at my pc draging my ore from my Maller into a can which is then in turn taken by Indy who in turn just sits and jumps between station and me hauling. So I work hard for my money, now comes this A$$.... Macro mine couple mil units and sel it for lower price on the market. You ppl think that is FAIR or no SO bad ?
"But... Invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!" |
Nimrodz2
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Posted - 2004.11.10 08:33:00 -
[42]
Macro is not permitted in the game. We that do abide by the laws of the game are now second to the chancers. Yes I do sit 5 - 6 hours on end at my pc draging my ore from my Maller into a can which is then in turn taken by Indy who in turn just sits and jumps between station and me hauling. So I work hard for my money, now comes this A$$.... Macro mine couple mil units and sel it for lower price on the market. You ppl think that is FAIR or no SO bad ?
"But... Invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!" |
Vogon
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:02:00 -
[43]
I've been ripping these guys off for months now. They appear in high sec space....always the same group, normaly split into two groups. If they've been banned, you've just killed my cash cow.
I've parked next to them and hauled their ore into my hold as it appears, I've dropped my `You've been Vogoned' bookmark into their can, even dropped a `Macro boys' bookmark but still the ore keeps coming. Eventualy they/ he spots whats going on and they all warp out to pastures new.
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:02:00 -
[44]
I've been ripping these guys off for months now. They appear in high sec space....always the same group, normaly split into two groups. If they've been banned, you've just killed my cash cow.
I've parked next to them and hauled their ore into my hold as it appears, I've dropped my `You've been Vogoned' bookmark into their can, even dropped a `Macro boys' bookmark but still the ore keeps coming. Eventualy they/ he spots whats going on and they all warp out to pastures new.
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:25:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
strip mining 1.0 systems? OH NO! where will we get our veldspar now??
look at it this way, i dont like ore thieves, its lame, but its fair play either way. it boils down to the fact that a jet can is a free can to all. if these macro miners are jetting the ore, why in gods name did you petition them? DUH! get yourself a fat indy down there and loot as much as you can! teach them the hard way, they will stop it pretty damn sharpish. meanwhile you get to be a rich man for someone elses exploiting.
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.10 09:25:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
strip mining 1.0 systems? OH NO! where will we get our veldspar now??
look at it this way, i dont like ore thieves, its lame, but its fair play either way. it boils down to the fact that a jet can is a free can to all. if these macro miners are jetting the ore, why in gods name did you petition them? DUH! get yourself a fat indy down there and loot as much as you can! teach them the hard way, they will stop it pretty damn sharpish. meanwhile you get to be a rich man for someone elses exploiting.
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Nefteus
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Posted - 2004.11.10 10:37:00 -
[47]
I agree,
lets bleed them dry
I'll get my 29000m3 mark5 out right away
Thanks for the info Kitty, are there any other macros I dont know of?
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Nefteus
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Posted - 2004.11.10 10:37:00 -
[48]
I agree,
lets bleed them dry
I'll get my 29000m3 mark5 out right away
Thanks for the info Kitty, are there any other macros I dont know of?
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:37:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:50
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practise plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Thats the point your missing, the fast amount of PC user (I presume) doesn't have the knowledge to setup a macro and thus the macro miner s would gain a very large advantage over the simpleton normal miners. Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
These are my thoughts and view s and should only be viewed in that light.
actualy a simple macro is rediculosly easy to make ... complex macro take time and effort but can be done with little dedication to issue
The big problem is thees massive scale macro miners in secure space
one who strip secure space with fleet of 10 alt's
there is not much harm done by sinle player simpple "Cargo to orecan macro" what simply lobes the ore from cargo to can (that motion can give you ache wrist!)... alloving the player to watch TV while mining semi AFK - because as you all know - mining is abaut as fun as watching paint dry
luckily i dont mine and there is no combat macros that i am awere of
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:37:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:50
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practise plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Thats the point your missing, the fast amount of PC user (I presume) doesn't have the knowledge to setup a macro and thus the macro miner s would gain a very large advantage over the simpleton normal miners. Plus micros for all would lead to a melt down in the eve ecomoy (I can't spell i know )
These are my thoughts and view s and should only be viewed in that light.
actualy a simple macro is rediculosly easy to make ... complex macro take time and effort but can be done with little dedication to issue
The big problem is thees massive scale macro miners in secure space
one who strip secure space with fleet of 10 alt's
there is not much harm done by sinle player simpple "Cargo to orecan macro" what simply lobes the ore from cargo to can (that motion can give you ache wrist!)... alloving the player to watch TV while mining semi AFK - because as you all know - mining is abaut as fun as watching paint dry
luckily i dont mine and there is no combat macros that i am awere of
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Gevronder
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:40:00 -
[51]
The people behind this are most probably these guys. You will find their staff 'working' in most MMOGs.
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Gevronder
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:40:00 -
[52]
The people behind this are most probably these guys. You will find their staff 'working' in most MMOGs.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:44:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:08
This is WERY disturbing development
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:44:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:51:08
This is WERY disturbing development
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:51:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/11/2004 12:00:47
Originally by: Siddy
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:48:27
CCP shuld make a Clear statement on EVE-O main pages that it DONT SUPPORT MACRO'S OR ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY PROGRAM's and consider them to be eleagal and eula braking!
after that a some sort "spot a macro" team to monitor activity and possible macro treaths
This is WERY disturbing development
As far as I recall it is against the EULA to use macro's to mine with.
Sounds like we need ore thieves in numbers to combat this plague, if they are afk, well lets face it they won't shoot back at someone taking from thier can. Macro mining is such an unfair advantage and it is different from people having multiple accounts because a person running multiple accounts still has to do something even if it means piloting thier hauler with 1 miner II to the belt.
In fact the answer maybe here.
Oh and I have to say I love your sig picture.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.10 11:51:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/11/2004 12:00:47
Originally by: Siddy
Edited by: Siddy on 10/11/2004 11:48:27
CCP shuld make a Clear statement on EVE-O main pages that it DONT SUPPORT MACRO'S OR ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY PROGRAM's and consider them to be eleagal and eula braking!
after that a some sort "spot a macro" team to monitor activity and possible macro treaths
This is WERY disturbing development
As far as I recall it is against the EULA to use macro's to mine with.
Sounds like we need ore thieves in numbers to combat this plague, if they are afk, well lets face it they won't shoot back at someone taking from thier can. Macro mining is such an unfair advantage and it is different from people having multiple accounts because a person running multiple accounts still has to do something even if it means piloting thier hauler with 1 miner II to the belt.
In fact the answer maybe here.
Oh and I have to say I love your sig picture.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 12:17:00 -
[57]
Read this
Macro's are bad ,mmmkay?
If you suspect someone is using a macro petition them and continue to do so, make screenshoots and send them, steal their ore and see the lack of reaction.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 12:17:00 -
[58]
Read this
Macro's are bad ,mmmkay?
If you suspect someone is using a macro petition them and continue to do so, make screenshoots and send them, steal their ore and see the lack of reaction.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:19:00 -
[59]
i dont get it, why cant they just get concord to shot them down if they behave in the manor stated.
i miss the old days when you could go after belt rackers with a caracl and mwd's with torps and get out.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:19:00 -
[60]
i dont get it, why cant they just get concord to shot them down if they behave in the manor stated.
i miss the old days when you could go after belt rackers with a caracl and mwd's with torps and get out.
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June li
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:38:00 -
[61]
Edited by: June li on 10/11/2004 14:01:50
To everyone who does not understand why macro's are bad:
I have played a few MMORPG's where macro's are commonly used. The problem with this is that these companies or individuals that are making all this in game money to sell for real money are also rising the prices of rare items.
You see, they rake up ridiculous amounts of money, a lot of people buy it, and people can start pricing their rarer items higher because many more people can pay those prices. That may sound sort of ridiculous but that's simply how i have witnessed it work.
This means the legitamate players are not only disadvantaged to the people who buy this online currency because they have less money to time ratio at any equal point in the game, but they also have to suffer from these price inflations which they did not cause and could mostly not help in stopping.
Some people can't afford to buy online currencies with real money, so it's very unfair to say "well everyone has the choice to buy it" which i have heard quite a few say before. It shouldn't be a game of who has a bigger credit card limit, it should be fair to all, rich or poor. Everyone should get their shot.
Obviously people who choose to devote more time to the game usually are richer than the average joe - but that goes without saying. It's part of any game, you spend time to progress (NOT MONEY) and most importantly it doesn't ruin the economy.
I know of one particular game (which i won't mention the name of because i'm not sure it's allowed in these forums) which has been controlled so much by macro's / online sellers that it has become extremely difficult to get by without buying the game currency online yourself.
The online sellers have full control over the in game market, everything costs a fortune, and the price inflation means legitamate players are more often that not struggling desperately to get by with even the most mediocre setups. I'd hate to see that happen to EVE, although because EVE's market is semi NPC controlled, it is a lot less susceptible to this kind of thing.
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"It's funny the way most people love death. Once you're dead you're made for life.
You have to die before they think you're worth anything." - Jimi Hendrix |
June li
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:38:00 -
[62]
Edited by: June li on 10/11/2004 14:01:50
To everyone who does not understand why macro's are bad:
I have played a few MMORPG's where macro's are commonly used. The problem with this is that these companies or individuals that are making all this in game money to sell for real money are also rising the prices of rare items.
You see, they rake up ridiculous amounts of money, a lot of people buy it, and people can start pricing their rarer items higher because many more people can pay those prices. That may sound sort of ridiculous but that's simply how i have witnessed it work.
This means the legitamate players are not only disadvantaged to the people who buy this online currency because they have less money to time ratio at any equal point in the game, but they also have to suffer from these price inflations which they did not cause and could mostly not help in stopping.
Some people can't afford to buy online currencies with real money, so it's very unfair to say "well everyone has the choice to buy it" which i have heard quite a few say before. It shouldn't be a game of who has a bigger credit card limit, it should be fair to all, rich or poor. Everyone should get their shot.
Obviously people who choose to devote more time to the game usually are richer than the average joe - but that goes without saying. It's part of any game, you spend time to progress (NOT MONEY) and most importantly it doesn't ruin the economy.
I know of one particular game (which i won't mention the name of because i'm not sure it's allowed in these forums) which has been controlled so much by macro's / online sellers that it has become extremely difficult to get by without buying the game currency online yourself.
The online sellers have full control over the in game market, everything costs a fortune, and the price inflation means legitamate players are more often that not struggling desperately to get by with even the most mediocre setups. I'd hate to see that happen to EVE, although because EVE's market is semi NPC controlled, it is a lot less susceptible to this kind of thing.
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"It's funny the way most people love death. Once you're dead you're made for life.
You have to die before they think you're worth anything." - Jimi Hendrix |
Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:38:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
...steal their ore...
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:38:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
...steal their ore...
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Was it good for you? |
Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:59:00 -
[65]
Solution: make life hard on macro users by introducing enough risk into high sec mining so make attended play a requirement.
ergo: more npc rats.
If this is not a succesfull way fo dealing with it, remove all ore from the safe 1.0 belts except for a special newbie ore that can only be sold for isk to agents. Tag it with the name of the persona mining it in your database and prevent all non-noob char mined ore from being sold.
I've seen professional macro mining ruin the economy of an Ultima Online shard in the past, driving players from it in bundles. Do NOT let this happen to Eve.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:59:00 -
[66]
Solution: make life hard on macro users by introducing enough risk into high sec mining so make attended play a requirement.
ergo: more npc rats.
If this is not a succesfull way fo dealing with it, remove all ore from the safe 1.0 belts except for a special newbie ore that can only be sold for isk to agents. Tag it with the name of the persona mining it in your database and prevent all non-noob char mined ore from being sold.
I've seen professional macro mining ruin the economy of an Ultima Online shard in the past, driving players from it in bundles. Do NOT let this happen to Eve.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:12:00 -
[67]
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:12:00 -
[68]
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Heinky
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:13:00 -
[69]
http://www.mysupersales.com/ ???
This cant be legal can it ?
But since nothing has been done yet about sites like this i guess not eyy
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Heinky
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:13:00 -
[70]
http://www.mysupersales.com/ ???
This cant be legal can it ?
But since nothing has been done yet about sites like this i guess not eyy
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:16:00 -
[71]
Originally by: flummox
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
passive shield recharge prevent really weak rats from killing apocs
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Yes yes, blogging is passŚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:16:00 -
[72]
Originally by: flummox
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
passive shield recharge prevent really weak rats from killing apocs
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Yes yes, blogging is passŚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Nimrodz2
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:36:00 -
[73]
What about specialized Anti-Macro drones that target players not moving and have a exponential damage increase ?
"But... Invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!" |
Nimrodz2
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:36:00 -
[74]
What about specialized Anti-Macro drones that target players not moving and have a exponential damage increase ?
"But... Invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!" |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:41:00 -
[75]
Originally by: flummox
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
Steal thier ore, if everyone did it then it would make it less cost effective to macro mine for real life economic gain.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:41:00 -
[76]
Originally by: flummox
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
Steal thier ore, if everyone did it then it would make it less cost effective to macro mine for real life economic gain.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:58:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 09/11/2004 22:53:54
Is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practice plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Its cheating...
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K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 damage
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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:58:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 09/11/2004 22:53:54
Is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practice plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Its cheating...
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K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 damage
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:02:00 -
[79]
Im blow out of my mind, actually people inn here that supports macro miners.
CCP crush them now before they grow out of proportion
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:02:00 -
[80]
Im blow out of my mind, actually people inn here that supports macro miners.
CCP crush them now before they grow out of proportion
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:19:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Karch
Originally by: Eris Discordia
...steal their ore...
There is a reason why I moderate this forum often
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:19:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Karch
Originally by: Eris Discordia
...steal their ore...
There is a reason why I moderate this forum often
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:47:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: flummox
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
passive shield recharge prevent really weak rats from killing apocs
yeah... hmmmmmmm? what about "newb levels of roids" or some other newbie setup. what about the removal of all belts in at least 1.0 systems and perhaps CONCORD would start policing the belts? maybe use the new warpgate technology to access the roid fields and you can use the ship size restrictions. no newb is in a BS, or even cruiser for that matter. there have got to be better ways to have newbie mining than just leaving a belt open in 1.0 systems. perhaps some of the new mechanics in Exodus will help the Dev's finally squash this...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:47:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: flummox
what about rats in 0.9 and 1.0 space? like really weak rats that would have no hope of killing any player at the keyboard. but would (eventually) kill someone who was AFK ? newbs need to learn combat, too. so why not some simple rogue drones that can get killed real easy to counter macro miners?
passive shield recharge prevent really weak rats from killing apocs
yeah... hmmmmmmm? what about "newb levels of roids" or some other newbie setup. what about the removal of all belts in at least 1.0 systems and perhaps CONCORD would start policing the belts? maybe use the new warpgate technology to access the roid fields and you can use the ship size restrictions. no newb is in a BS, or even cruiser for that matter. there have got to be better ways to have newbie mining than just leaving a belt open in 1.0 systems. perhaps some of the new mechanics in Exodus will help the Dev's finally squash this...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 16:07:00 -
[85]
i have petitioned.
my petition goes through several messages , and GM replies.
each time i come across a new group of these cheaters another
messaeg is added to the petition.
bans dont seem to work well against an army of alts  |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.10 16:07:00 -
[86]
i have petitioned.
my petition goes through several messages , and GM replies.
each time i come across a new group of these cheaters another
messaeg is added to the petition.
bans dont seem to work well against an army of alts |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 16:20:00 -
[87]
the idea is to stop the macros. not ban people after the fact. here are a few ideas to stop macroers:
(after making a list of things, it all kinda came back to removing "normal" roid belts from 1.0 (and maybe 0.9) systems. or regulating ships or mining lasers somehow. but it still came back to one major theme, which follows.)
Use new warpgates to access belts in 1.0/0.9 systems. This opens up other possibilities as well:
- Ship size restriction.
- "Pass" or license mining only; perhaps from Tutorial Agent.
- Mining Laser restriction(s).
- Jettison Can restriction(s).
- Change the roids around. More, smaller roids. Makes for a headache when trying to code a macro.
RP aspects are pretty easy to figure out. Just have CONCORD step in and do their thing...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 16:20:00 -
[88]
the idea is to stop the macros. not ban people after the fact. here are a few ideas to stop macroers:
(after making a list of things, it all kinda came back to removing "normal" roid belts from 1.0 (and maybe 0.9) systems. or regulating ships or mining lasers somehow. but it still came back to one major theme, which follows.)
Use new warpgates to access belts in 1.0/0.9 systems. This opens up other possibilities as well:
- Ship size restriction.
- "Pass" or license mining only; perhaps from Tutorial Agent.
- Mining Laser restriction(s).
- Jettison Can restriction(s).
- Change the roids around. More, smaller roids. Makes for a headache when trying to code a macro.
RP aspects are pretty easy to figure out. Just have CONCORD step in and do their thing...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
L'Kor
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:25:00 -
[89]
Edited by: L'Kor on 10/11/2004 17:30:25
In my opinion restricting access to 0.9/1.0 security systems/belts is no solution.
Eve is great because it offers endless possibilities. Constricting would not help to end people using macros but it would lessen the fun of the players who don't utilize them.
Keeping players informing the customer support about these people is the most effective option.
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L'Kor
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:25:00 -
[90]
Edited by: L'Kor on 10/11/2004 17:30:25
In my opinion restricting access to 0.9/1.0 security systems/belts is no solution.
Eve is great because it offers endless possibilities. Constricting would not help to end people using macros but it would lessen the fun of the players who don't utilize them.
Keeping players informing the customer support about these people is the most effective option.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:28:00 -
[91]
Originally by: L'Kor
In my opinion restricting access to 0.9/1.0 security systems/belts is no solution.
Eve is great because it offers endless possibilities. Constricting would not help to end people using macros but it would lessen the fun of the players who don't utilize them.
Keeping players informing the customer support about these people is the most effective option there is.
You need belts in the 1.0 systems for your fun ?
Dont the 0.5-0.9 systems suffice for your needs ?
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passŚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:28:00 -
[92]
Originally by: L'Kor
In my opinion restricting access to 0.9/1.0 security systems/belts is no solution.
Eve is great because it offers endless possibilities. Constricting would not help to end people using macros but it would lessen the fun of the players who don't utilize them.
Keeping players informing the customer support about these people is the most effective option there is.
You need belts in the 1.0 systems for your fun ?
Dont the 0.5-0.9 systems suffice for your needs ?
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passŚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:33:00 -
[93]
Problem is, using more advanced macros or even with the same ones and using different setups you could just macro mine in 0.5 as easily as in 1.0.
The rats dont web or scramble and bneither can they kill a battleship that can run a repairer indefinately or has his passive shield recharge boosted high enough to resist the puny rat damage.
We will simply see macro mining move from 1.0 to 0.6 and around if 1.0 gets changed 
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passŚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:33:00 -
[94]
Problem is, using more advanced macros or even with the same ones and using different setups you could just macro mine in 0.5 as easily as in 1.0.
The rats dont web or scramble and bneither can they kill a battleship that can run a repairer indefinately or has his passive shield recharge boosted high enough to resist the puny rat damage.
We will simply see macro mining move from 1.0 to 0.6 and around if 1.0 gets changed
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passŚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:52:00 -
[95]
NPC haulers that steal ore from cans...?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 17:52:00 -
[96]
NPC haulers that steal ore from cans...?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Vincent Clarke
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Posted - 2004.11.10 20:55:00 -
[97]
Macro's ruin games, and the macro problem does need dealing with, (i'd perfer a violent, 250mm rails hitting them kinda way but not gonna happen) i'll keep an eye out, and good post kitty
As long as we all do are part we can make there lives hell.... and get free ore
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Vincent Clarke
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Posted - 2004.11.10 20:55:00 -
[98]
Macro's ruin games, and the macro problem does need dealing with, (i'd perfer a violent, 250mm rails hitting them kinda way but not gonna happen) i'll keep an eye out, and good post kitty
As long as we all do are part we can make there lives hell.... and get free ore
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 21:41:00 -
[99]
now i just need to train my cat to mine... 8)
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.11.10 21:41:00 -
[100]
now i just need to train my cat to mine... 8)
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Loirin Engelk
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:24:00 -
[101]
I don't think there is any danger from macro mining of BS owning chars... There is simply too much time investment into such a char. So the large scale macro action can only be done by noob chars on fresh accounts. Personally I think that introduction of weak rats into 1.0 systems would solve the problem statistically, i.e. cut it down to 10% of what it is now.
Another thing is the new Shiva ore grades: better ores and worse ores. Simply leave the worst grade of veldspar in the 1.0 and 0.9 systems - practically worthless. All genuine noobs will have enough skills and RL knowledge that they'll move out to 0.8 systems where the rats are pathetic but can kill you if you go out for a beer.
Again: statistical solution but 10% of 10% is very little (actually 1%) and solves the major problem of large scale macro mining.
Howgh
Quote:
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
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Loirin Engelk
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:24:00 -
[102]
I don't think there is any danger from macro mining of BS owning chars... There is simply too much time investment into such a char. So the large scale macro action can only be done by noob chars on fresh accounts. Personally I think that introduction of weak rats into 1.0 systems would solve the problem statistically, i.e. cut it down to 10% of what it is now.
Another thing is the new Shiva ore grades: better ores and worse ores. Simply leave the worst grade of veldspar in the 1.0 and 0.9 systems - practically worthless. All genuine noobs will have enough skills and RL knowledge that they'll move out to 0.8 systems where the rats are pathetic but can kill you if you go out for a beer.
Again: statistical solution but 10% of 10% is very little (actually 1%) and solves the major problem of large scale macro mining.
Howgh
Quote:
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:33:00 -
[103]
All they need to do is make mining more complicated/interesting so it's not easily macroable. Make it like wack-a-mole or something.
"oh noes! The pyroxeries is getting away.. F1, F1, double click, double click!!!!"
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TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:33:00 -
[104]
All they need to do is make mining more complicated/interesting so it's not easily macroable. Make it like wack-a-mole or something.
"oh noes! The pyroxeries is getting away.. F1, F1, double click, double click!!!!"
--
TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2004.11.11 00:28:00 -
[105]
If CCP makes mining in 0.9/1.0 harder, trit prices will skyrocket, along with ship prices.
All that has to be done is to make a simple sort of anti-macroing system.
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The best description of alliances, ever:
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2004.11.11 00:28:00 -
[106]
If CCP makes mining in 0.9/1.0 harder, trit prices will skyrocket, along with ship prices.
All that has to be done is to make a simple sort of anti-macroing system.
--
The best description of alliances, ever:
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2004.11.11 01:09:00 -
[107]
yulai you say? /un-que mass amounts of ore stealers
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2004.11.11 01:09:00 -
[108]
yulai you say? /un-que mass amounts of ore stealers
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Aiyana Bayushi
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:02:00 -
[109]
about the only way to combat it is players not CCP. as has been proved in many games the kids have more time to dedicate to making macros that get past the anti-macro programs then the game makers can devote to stopping it.
another part of the problem is the "In and of istelf" the buying and selling of in game items/money does not really effect the game because all you are doing is moving the items around not adding any thing to the games. and this is the defense that has been used the few times a company has gone after the companys that sell the stuff. that and that despite the fact it violates the EULA its not illegal. the "Exchange" companies are more then willing to risk banning ,the only real thing that CCP and others can do , because the profit margin is insane.
what does effect the games is the people that abuse/break the rules to get more in game items/money to sell to the "Exchange" companys. this is where the real problem comes in. as any one whos played FF11 can tell you its a major problem with games like this.
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Aiyana Bayushi
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:02:00 -
[110]
about the only way to combat it is players not CCP. as has been proved in many games the kids have more time to dedicate to making macros that get past the anti-macro programs then the game makers can devote to stopping it.
another part of the problem is the "In and of istelf" the buying and selling of in game items/money does not really effect the game because all you are doing is moving the items around not adding any thing to the games. and this is the defense that has been used the few times a company has gone after the companys that sell the stuff. that and that despite the fact it violates the EULA its not illegal. the "Exchange" companies are more then willing to risk banning ,the only real thing that CCP and others can do , because the profit margin is insane.
what does effect the games is the people that abuse/break the rules to get more in game items/money to sell to the "Exchange" companys. this is where the real problem comes in. as any one whos played FF11 can tell you its a major problem with games like this.
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Loridin
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Posted - 2004.11.11 03:33:00 -
[111]
I have a list of 12 macro miners.
I report them where ever I find them in the empire. Have been petitioning them about 2-3 times a month for about 6 months and none have been banned. looks like CCP dont really care.
I mean 6 pilots all in apocs, called name1, name2, name3 name4, name5, name6. cant tell me its anything other than a macro mining op. They been at it for around 3 months and they are still going
Whenever I see them I spam local and watch all the newbs come in and steal the ore. The only thing I can do
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Loridin
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Posted - 2004.11.11 03:33:00 -
[112]
I have a list of 12 macro miners.
I report them where ever I find them in the empire. Have been petitioning them about 2-3 times a month for about 6 months and none have been banned. looks like CCP dont really care.
I mean 6 pilots all in apocs, called name1, name2, name3 name4, name5, name6. cant tell me its anything other than a macro mining op. They been at it for around 3 months and they are still going
Whenever I see them I spam local and watch all the newbs come in and steal the ore. The only thing I can do
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huong alt
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Posted - 2004.11.11 10:02:00 -
[113]
Well there is another approach, ban people that purchase said isk or equiptment. Then the market would dry up.
As this game is based on one big DBASE, it could not be too difficult to set one or 2 flags that highlight characters that transfer large amounts of isk to other players on a regular basis. just an idea flames will be ignored
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huong alt
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Posted - 2004.11.11 10:02:00 -
[114]
Well there is another approach, ban people that purchase said isk or equiptment. Then the market would dry up.
As this game is based on one big DBASE, it could not be too difficult to set one or 2 flags that highlight characters that transfer large amounts of isk to other players on a regular basis. just an idea flames will be ignored
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.11 10:37:00 -
[115]
CCP should really do something about it instead of deleting all the topics about macromining. These cheaters have to go before their population grows.
1.0-0.5 is n00b ore! CCP should make it impossible for older players to mine in high sec. systems. In 0.4-0.0 player-pirates will take care of these cheaters - don¦t worry. GMs, let us solve this problem , we dont need proving it, we sinply toast them
1 months old -> not allowed to mine in 1.0-0.9
2 months old -> not allowed to mine in 1.0-0.7
3 months old -> not allowed to mine in 1.0-0.5
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.11 10:37:00 -
[116]
CCP should really do something about it instead of deleting all the topics about macromining. These cheaters have to go before their population grows.
1.0-0.5 is n00b ore! CCP should make it impossible for older players to mine in high sec. systems. In 0.4-0.0 player-pirates will take care of these cheaters - don¦t worry. GMs, let us solve this problem , we dont need proving it, we sinply toast them
1 months old -> not allowed to mine in 1.0-0.9
2 months old -> not allowed to mine in 1.0-0.7
3 months old -> not allowed to mine in 1.0-0.5
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.11.11 10:48:00 -
[117]
maco miners rule, they mine for you 
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.11.11 10:48:00 -
[118]
maco miners rule, they mine for you
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.11.11 11:23:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Wraeththu
All they need to do is make mining more complicated/interesting so it's not easily macroable. Make it like wack-a-mole or something.
"oh noes! The pyroxeries is getting away.. F1, F1, double click, double click!!!!"
wow. i'm actually liking that idea..
i love those kinda games.. like parappa the rapper, jet set radio, gitaroo man..
press buttons to timing or something.. or control it with mouse actions to keep it "balanced"
or even better.. GOGO dancemat peripheral..
i'd so mine if i had some dodgy eurobeat and a dancemat plugged in. |
Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.11.11 11:23:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Wraeththu
All they need to do is make mining more complicated/interesting so it's not easily macroable. Make it like wack-a-mole or something.
"oh noes! The pyroxeries is getting away.. F1, F1, double click, double click!!!!"
wow. i'm actually liking that idea..
i love those kinda games.. like parappa the rapper, jet set radio, gitaroo man..
press buttons to timing or something.. or control it with mouse actions to keep it "balanced"
or even better.. GOGO dancemat peripheral..
i'd so mine if i had some dodgy eurobeat and a dancemat plugged in. |
Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:12:00 -
[121]
Just put npc's in belts after a random time, or let "concord" ask for their "mining" pass ;)
ASCI Recruiting! |
Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:12:00 -
[122]
Just put npc's in belts after a random time, or let "concord" ask for their "mining" pass ;)
ASCI Recruiting! |
Lyah Moonshade
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Posted - 2004.11.11 16:17:00 -
[123]
How about a tweak window where you have to finetune the mining laser to get the optimal yield? This could be a simple slider that has to be adjusted every x time to a certain value. Lack of finetuning would result in much lower yields.
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Lyah Moonshade
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Posted - 2004.11.11 16:17:00 -
[124]
How about a tweak window where you have to finetune the mining laser to get the optimal yield? This could be a simple slider that has to be adjusted every x time to a certain value. Lack of finetuning would result in much lower yields.
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.11 19:24:00 -
[125]
good news!
6 macro miners have been banned in the last day alone.
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.11 19:24:00 -
[126]
good news!
6 macro miners have been banned in the last day alone.
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Meow |
Xharky
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Posted - 2004.11.11 22:26:00 -
[127]
Ore Thieves Unite! Gank the macro miner containers!
lol
I'm just a fluffy carebear
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I r Nubbeh |
Xharky
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Posted - 2004.11.11 22:26:00 -
[128]
Ore Thieves Unite! Gank the macro miner containers!
lol
I'm just a fluffy carebear
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I r Nubbeh |
RaVeN122
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Posted - 2004.11.11 22:59:00 -
[129]
I say that we should gather a number of playes then hunt them down like the dogs they are!
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RaVeN122
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Posted - 2004.11.11 22:59:00 -
[130]
I say that we should gather a number of playes then hunt them down like the dogs they are!
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Loridin
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Posted - 2004.11.12 00:27:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Loridin on 12/11/2004 00:36:25
Name and shame time. The following are who I believe to be macro miners
Abaddon119
Cristi 01Mineru
Cristym 04Commander
Cristiana 02Miner
munart01 to munart16
forgot about hemidall
Hope the hordes of ore thiefs get em
/me start wondering if I will get a warning for this
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Loridin
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Posted - 2004.11.12 00:27:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Loridin on 12/11/2004 00:36:25
Name and shame time. The following are who I believe to be macro miners
Abaddon119
Cristi 01Mineru
Cristym 04Commander
Cristiana 02Miner
munart01 to munart16
forgot about hemidall
Hope the hordes of ore thiefs get em
/me start wondering if I will get a warning for this
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.12 08:36:00 -
[133]
just now , ive sat in yulai poping cans of 2 groups of known
macro miners in yulai .
one mega seem to have thought i am an npc rat and opened fire
on me with 1 assualt launcher . he got waste by concord in
seconds . the pod was still sitting in the belt when i got
tired of watching it , probably trying to activate his non
existant miners 2.
my quest to bust all macro miners in 1.0 will continue.
they can run , and i will locate them .
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.12 08:36:00 -
[134]
just now , ive sat in yulai poping cans of 2 groups of known
macro miners in yulai .
one mega seem to have thought i am an npc rat and opened fire
on me with 1 assualt launcher . he got waste by concord in
seconds . the pod was still sitting in the belt when i got
tired of watching it , probably trying to activate his non
existant miners 2.
my quest to bust all macro miners in 1.0 will continue.
they can run , and i will locate them .
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Meow |
sissel
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Posted - 2004.11.12 09:23:00 -
[135]
Edited by: sissel on 12/11/2004 09:29:44
Edited by: sissel on 12/11/2004 09:29:14
hug me
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sissel
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Posted - 2004.11.12 09:23:00 -
[136]
Edited by: sissel on 12/11/2004 09:29:44
Edited by: sissel on 12/11/2004 09:29:14
hug me
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.11.12 09:28:00 -
[137]
I will now start a new hobbie Hunt down MacroMiners So I will here by give this guy 
*********************************************************
Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.11.12 09:28:00 -
[138]
I will now start a new hobbie Hunt down MacroMiners So I will here by give this guy
*********************************************************
Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
Lioniol
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Posted - 2004.11.12 09:29:00 -
[139]
a coupple of days of training then it beginns (hope it's the right alt
-out-
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Lioniol
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Posted - 2004.11.12 09:29:00 -
[140]
a coupple of days of training then it beginns (hope it's the right alt
-out-
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.12 13:42:00 -
[141]
Don't forget guys, macros that kill NPC's exist as well (even tho not needed cause no npc in 0.5+ does enough damage to kill an apoc).
Macro miners exist not only in 1.0 and 0.9.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.12 13:42:00 -
[142]
Don't forget guys, macros that kill NPC's exist as well (even tho not needed cause no npc in 0.5+ does enough damage to kill an apoc).
Macro miners exist not only in 1.0 and 0.9.
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Sinister Spy
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Posted - 2004.11.12 15:17:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Sinister Spy on 12/11/2004 15:21:28
Quote:
Macro's are bad ,mmmkay?
Yes they are, but after having myself petitioned a few macro miners to CCP, they're answer was "There is no proof or pattern that indicates a macro. why do you think he is macro minning?"
With this type of response it is clear that CCP themselves do NOT care. In fact i wouldn't be surprised they actually want it to be so as it means more money for them (more accounts).
And there are macro miners in deep space as well!! Looks like they use a char to tank the spawn, the others mine and haul!!
That might explain why Megacyte costs as much as Zydrine now!! OVERFLOW of minerals!! |
Sinister Spy
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Posted - 2004.11.12 15:17:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Sinister Spy on 12/11/2004 15:21:28
Quote:
Macro's are bad ,mmmkay?
Yes they are, but after having myself petitioned a few macro miners to CCP, they're answer was "There is no proof or pattern that indicates a macro. why do you think he is macro minning?"
With this type of response it is clear that CCP themselves do NOT care. In fact i wouldn't be surprised they actually want it to be so as it means more money for them (more accounts).
And there are macro miners in deep space as well!! Looks like they use a char to tank the spawn, the others mine and haul!!
That might explain why Megacyte costs as much as Zydrine now!! OVERFLOW of minerals!! |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.12 15:29:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Sinister Spy
With this type of response it is clear that CCP themselves do NOT care. In fact i wouldn't be surprised they actually want it to be so as it means more money for them (more accounts).
CCP do care , ive been in contact with several gms last week
in effort to stop this practice in the core systems.
you have obviously not read GM arkanon blog about macro
use .
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Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.12 15:29:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Sinister Spy
With this type of response it is clear that CCP themselves do NOT care. In fact i wouldn't be surprised they actually want it to be so as it means more money for them (more accounts).
CCP do care , ive been in contact with several gms last week
in effort to stop this practice in the core systems.
you have obviously not read GM arkanon blog about macro
use .
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Meow |
Iachrites Archveult
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Posted - 2004.11.12 16:47:00 -
[147]
Well... anyone managing to macromine mega is a veritable macro-genius.
Anyway, macro-mining is very, very bad - it could ruin the game.
...but I'm struck by the numbers of people who put forward solutions that I believe would spoil the game for many, many legitimate players. In a way, you're still letting macroing ruin the game.
CCP do seem to have woken up and are hopefully actively pursuing these people. (I suspect they have in part woken up because come Exodus macro-miners will have a much greater chance of hoovering up hi-value ores...)
Iac
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Iachrites Archveult
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Posted - 2004.11.12 16:47:00 -
[148]
Well... anyone managing to macromine mega is a veritable macro-genius.
Anyway, macro-mining is very, very bad - it could ruin the game.
...but I'm struck by the numbers of people who put forward solutions that I believe would spoil the game for many, many legitimate players. In a way, you're still letting macroing ruin the game.
CCP do seem to have woken up and are hopefully actively pursuing these people. (I suspect they have in part woken up because come Exodus macro-miners will have a much greater chance of hoovering up hi-value ores...)
Iac
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 17:14:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 12/11/2004 17:17:53
This doesn't have to be this complicated.
One way to do it would be to make an option for a 'personal war', or registered vendetta. Perhaps even a 'registered grievance killing', whereby you have a limited time (say a 30 or 60 minute timer) whereby you can fire on your registered target. Make it agent based, but low level 1 agents, or concord agents. both parties get an evemail upon registration, and off you go. Even if the macro was smart enough to warp out when the vendetta was registered, it still stops the problem.
Thus, you see macro miners, you register your vendetta, and go blow up their stuff. Limit it to only 2 active at a time, and just 1 killing per registered vendetta; to kill more then once, would require another registration, which would help limit griefing.
Granted its not perfect, but how satisfying would it be?
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 17:14:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 12/11/2004 17:17:53
This doesn't have to be this complicated.
One way to do it would be to make an option for a 'personal war', or registered vendetta. Perhaps even a 'registered grievance killing', whereby you have a limited time (say a 30 or 60 minute timer) whereby you can fire on your registered target. Make it agent based, but low level 1 agents, or concord agents. both parties get an evemail upon registration, and off you go. Even if the macro was smart enough to warp out when the vendetta was registered, it still stops the problem.
Thus, you see macro miners, you register your vendetta, and go blow up their stuff. Limit it to only 2 active at a time, and just 1 killing per registered vendetta; to kill more then once, would require another registration, which would help limit griefing.
Granted its not perfect, but how satisfying would it be?
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Daktor
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Posted - 2004.11.12 18:10:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 12/11/2004 17:17:53
One way to do it would be to make an option for a 'personal war', or registered vendetta.
This would be abused as every pirate would be declaring on everyone they could find, just for the free kills.
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Daktor
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Posted - 2004.11.12 18:10:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 12/11/2004 17:17:53
One way to do it would be to make an option for a 'personal war', or registered vendetta.
This would be abused as every pirate would be declaring on everyone they could find, just for the free kills.
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Tisti
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:09:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Heinky
http://www.mysupersales.com/ ???
This cant be legal can it ?
But since nothing has been done yet about sites like this i guess not eyy
WTF!!!! 270 DOLLARS FOR 400 MIL ISK :| Thats a lot of real money there... sweet mother of god..
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Tisti
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:09:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Heinky
http://www.mysupersales.com/ ???
This cant be legal can it ?
But since nothing has been done yet about sites like this i guess not eyy
WTF!!!! 270 DOLLARS FOR 400 MIL ISK :| Thats a lot of real money there... sweet mother of god..
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:28:00 -
[155]
Hence the limited timer. If it only lasts 30 or 60 minutes before you need to resubmit it, pirates would get bored quickly. The evemail you would recieve as soon as its registered would give you warning to get clear, and you could institute a 10 or 15 minute start timer to give extra time to get out or get ready.
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:28:00 -
[156]
Hence the limited timer. If it only lasts 30 or 60 minutes before you need to resubmit it, pirates would get bored quickly. The evemail you would recieve as soon as its registered would give you warning to get clear, and you could institute a 10 or 15 minute start timer to give extra time to get out or get ready.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:48:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Iachrites Archveult
Well... anyone managing to macromine mega is a veritable macro-genius.
Iac
Not really, could make one to mine 0.0 inside an hour for you.
It's all about the AI being predictable and how you setup your UI elements.
It's not that difficult at all. I still wont do it, cause macroing sucks.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:48:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Iachrites Archveult
Well... anyone managing to macromine mega is a veritable macro-genius.
Iac
Not really, could make one to mine 0.0 inside an hour for you.
It's all about the AI being predictable and how you setup your UI elements.
It's not that difficult at all. I still wont do it, cause macroing sucks.
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Supay
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Posted - 2004.11.17 00:32:00 -
[159]
While shuttling back and forth I happened to check local and notice the Abaddon gang there. The system was Lustrevik, go and have fun if they're still macroing.
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Supay
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Posted - 2004.11.17 00:32:00 -
[160]
While shuttling back and forth I happened to check local and notice the Abaddon gang there. The system was Lustrevik, go and have fun if they're still macroing.
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Tgaru
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Posted - 2004.11.17 01:14:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 21:08:13
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 01:18:52
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Remember most people paying for 6 8 12 accounts to macro are business ventures who don't care about EVE, don't really even play EVE.
Hi there. I play and pay for multiple accounts. I do not macro. Thus, I will make one request of you and other tools such as yourself:
mine me, k?
Seems fair given that you prejudge an entire group. At least you can do is service them :)
Actually, on a more serious note, if you really want to stop them.....steal their ore like the level headed people here have suggested. '..'
edited by Eris Discordia
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Tgaru
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Posted - 2004.11.17 01:14:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 21:08:13
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 01:18:52
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Remember most people paying for 6 8 12 accounts to macro are business ventures who don't care about EVE, don't really even play EVE.
Hi there. I play and pay for multiple accounts. I do not macro. Thus, I will make one request of you and other tools such as yourself:
mine me, k?
Seems fair given that you prejudge an entire group. At least you can do is service them :)
Actually, on a more serious note, if you really want to stop them.....steal their ore like the level headed people here have suggested. '..'
edited by Eris Discordia
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Lomarticus
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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:40:00 -
[163]
I like the idea of catching abusers, but what about the gits that are nicking from ATK (At the keyboard) miners with only 1 account. We mine to a can, go back for our indie and thats it. Unfortunately, after HOURS of drag-drop activity, along comes a plonker and swipes from under our noses, even though we lock on, bump, challenge them, send them a message etc. ie there is NO WAYYYY we are not at the keyboard.
I believe that THESE gits are what is ruining things. I lost my Osprey, fully kitted out for mining coz I lost my temper and shot at him and I got whacked by Concord. (Where are the cops when YOU need them???).
If you are going to make things fair, LET US SHOOT BACK AT THIEVES. MAKE IT DANGEROUS EVEN IN 1.0 SPACE for them.
THEN you'll know our ships are inhabited while you're picking splinters out of your butts.
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Lomarticus
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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:40:00 -
[164]
I like the idea of catching abusers, but what about the gits that are nicking from ATK (At the keyboard) miners with only 1 account. We mine to a can, go back for our indie and thats it. Unfortunately, after HOURS of drag-drop activity, along comes a plonker and swipes from under our noses, even though we lock on, bump, challenge them, send them a message etc. ie there is NO WAYYYY we are not at the keyboard.
I believe that THESE gits are what is ruining things. I lost my Osprey, fully kitted out for mining coz I lost my temper and shot at him and I got whacked by Concord. (Where are the cops when YOU need them???).
If you are going to make things fair, LET US SHOOT BACK AT THIEVES. MAKE IT DANGEROUS EVEN IN 1.0 SPACE for them.
THEN you'll know our ships are inhabited while you're picking splinters out of your butts.
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Sigarni
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:00:00 -
[165]
Originally by: F'nog
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
I find it a strange co-incidence that Russia is also close to China, maybe they are sharing macro's with other.
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Sigarni
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:00:00 -
[166]
Originally by: F'nog
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
I find it a strange co-incidence that Russia is also close to China, maybe they are sharing macro's with other.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:10:00 -
[167]
Scary that a lot of people dont feel bad for using a macro in EVE. Maybe they have to understand this: a macro is a cheat! Even if a player uses a simple drag&drop-macro it is a cheat because a normal plyer would be very tired after 2 hours mining and would stop it. The macrominer can go mining for 23h/day and wont get tired of it. Later macrominer and normal player fight each other in pvp. Macrominer has 6 Arbalest siege while normal player has only 6 standard siege lauchers ==> macro is a cheat! Cheaters never get happy in a game and sooner or later they feel bad and quit. But before they quit they make other players quit that are anoyed by this cheating.
CCP should make a shame list for players that used exploits and cheats! Best way to get rid of those guys is the shame they load upon themselves.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:10:00 -
[168]
Scary that a lot of people dont feel bad for using a macro in EVE. Maybe they have to understand this: a macro is a cheat! Even if a player uses a simple drag&drop-macro it is a cheat because a normal plyer would be very tired after 2 hours mining and would stop it. The macrominer can go mining for 23h/day and wont get tired of it. Later macrominer and normal player fight each other in pvp. Macrominer has 6 Arbalest siege while normal player has only 6 standard siege lauchers ==> macro is a cheat! Cheaters never get happy in a game and sooner or later they feel bad and quit. But before they quit they make other players quit that are anoyed by this cheating.
CCP should make a shame list for players that used exploits and cheats! Best way to get rid of those guys is the shame they load upon themselves.
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Max Dicca
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:21:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Max Dicca on 17/11/2004 12:24:38
We know that CCP are trying to put a stop to macro mining, but as fast as they stomp one account the people doing this just open another.
But us as the player base should rally together and help too.
Can CCP put up a list of names on the in-game browser of known Macro miners
Then as soon as any player discovers a macro mining opperation they put out a call to all other Eve players in the area and we simply flood then with ships lining up to help empty their cans untill a GM can turn up to both get rid of the ships, and of course to empty any station hold of any ore stored there.
We the player base can do a hell of a lot to help with this problem and at the end of the day, the serious macroers, the ones who are in it to make real money will soon wander off once their 'raw material' dries up.
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
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Max Dicca
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:21:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Max Dicca on 17/11/2004 12:24:38
We know that CCP are trying to put a stop to macro mining, but as fast as they stomp one account the people doing this just open another.
But us as the player base should rally together and help too.
Can CCP put up a list of names on the in-game browser of known Macro miners
Then as soon as any player discovers a macro mining opperation they put out a call to all other Eve players in the area and we simply flood then with ships lining up to help empty their cans untill a GM can turn up to both get rid of the ships, and of course to empty any station hold of any ore stored there.
We the player base can do a hell of a lot to help with this problem and at the end of the day, the serious macroers, the ones who are in it to make real money will soon wander off once their 'raw material' dries up.
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:24:00 -
[171]
GM's are really busy with macorminers and they will get to any one of them in the end.
If you think some pirates are obsessed with pvp, it is nothing compared to some of the GM's and the war on macro's
Just rememeber to petition them first, and then steal their ore otherwise you are at risk of benefitting from the exploit and may be warned/banned yourself.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:24:00 -
[172]
GM's are really busy with macorminers and they will get to any one of them in the end.
If you think some pirates are obsessed with pvp, it is nothing compared to some of the GM's and the war on macro's
Just rememeber to petition them first, and then steal their ore otherwise you are at risk of benefitting from the exploit and may be warned/banned yourself.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:27:00 -
[173]
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
Make screenshoots of you pushing them away and their lasers fturning off and the ship does idles there, or anything that shows that a macro us being used. Petition them and add a link to all the screenshoots you toke and uploaded.
This may speed up an investigation and the GM's will appreciate your effort in trying to help them.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:27:00 -
[174]
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
Make screenshoots of you pushing them away and their lasers fturning off and the ship does idles there, or anything that shows that a macro us being used. Petition them and add a link to all the screenshoots you toke and uploaded.
This may speed up an investigation and the GM's will appreciate your effort in trying to help them.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:06:00 -
[175]
I was under the impresion the eula said that marcos are allowed so long as they do not make you mine faster than you usually can? If this is the case if a person has 10 accounts and is mining with these 10 accounts at the usual speed of the ship isnt this in agreement with the eula? If ccp do not agree with macros there are numerous ways to stop the actions being taken. What i do not think has been mentioned is what the miners are doing with the minerals.... selling them and selling the isk on ebay at ś40 per $100m isk. There are hundreds of these on ebay and you dont have to be stupid to guss where they come from! If CCP wanted to stop people selling the isk and thus stop the need to mine huge amounts to sell on, they should contact ebay as other online games have done. I think i am able to provide ccp with the contact details should they not be able to find them! |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:06:00 -
[176]
I was under the impresion the eula said that marcos are allowed so long as they do not make you mine faster than you usually can? If this is the case if a person has 10 accounts and is mining with these 10 accounts at the usual speed of the ship isnt this in agreement with the eula? If ccp do not agree with macros there are numerous ways to stop the actions being taken. What i do not think has been mentioned is what the miners are doing with the minerals.... selling them and selling the isk on ebay at ś40 per $100m isk. There are hundreds of these on ebay and you dont have to be stupid to guss where they come from! If CCP wanted to stop people selling the isk and thus stop the need to mine huge amounts to sell on, they should contact ebay as other online games have done. I think i am able to provide ccp with the contact details should they not be able to find them! |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:56:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:01:54
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 13:59:26
yesterday i logged on , and saw alot off my usuall macrominer
list are online . using a location agent i tracked them to
luminaire. i grabbed an indi and went belt scouting and sure
enough i found 5 of them in the belts there.
first thing i petitioned , and then zoomed to the cans.
i managed to grab 2 cans , with no response , until i just
sat there continuely poping their cans .
they LOCKED me ,but nothing happens . next thing the whole
gang starts warping to other belts and creating cans with
1 veld in it . all this time they never convo me or talk
in local .
the macros are just getting smarter , to the point there
are 2 macro-indis , one always sitting on the can incase an
ore thief shows up . im guessing the programmer coded specific
names for special reactions (like locking) . one time a megathron locked me and launched a missile at me in yulai.
(guess an f1-f8 macro when you have a missile launcher in high
isnt a good idea in 1.0 ;) )
after being killed by concord the pod of that player stayed in the belt for over an hour until he warped out.
i concluded that the macro operator is in local , and keeps
an eye every now and then on whats happening . it would be
extremly hard for a GM to decide this op is a macro short
of demanding a reply on local or creating a situation that
will break the macro ability to react and start acting way
too weird .
these macros are adapted by their creators , and the GM
methods to find them dont . im afraid the GMs are bound to
lose this fight unless something is done to root out the
possibility of macromining altogether .
kitty : 0
robot army : 1
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:56:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:01:54
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 13:59:26
yesterday i logged on , and saw alot off my usuall macrominer
list are online . using a location agent i tracked them to
luminaire. i grabbed an indi and went belt scouting and sure
enough i found 5 of them in the belts there.
first thing i petitioned , and then zoomed to the cans.
i managed to grab 2 cans , with no response , until i just
sat there continuely poping their cans .
they LOCKED me ,but nothing happens . next thing the whole
gang starts warping to other belts and creating cans with
1 veld in it . all this time they never convo me or talk
in local .
the macros are just getting smarter , to the point there
are 2 macro-indis , one always sitting on the can incase an
ore thief shows up . im guessing the programmer coded specific
names for special reactions (like locking) . one time a megathron locked me and launched a missile at me in yulai.
(guess an f1-f8 macro when you have a missile launcher in high
isnt a good idea in 1.0 ;) )
after being killed by concord the pod of that player stayed in the belt for over an hour until he warped out.
i concluded that the macro operator is in local , and keeps
an eye every now and then on whats happening . it would be
extremly hard for a GM to decide this op is a macro short
of demanding a reply on local or creating a situation that
will break the macro ability to react and start acting way
too weird .
these macros are adapted by their creators , and the GM
methods to find them dont . im afraid the GMs are bound to
lose this fight unless something is done to root out the
possibility of macromining altogether .
kitty : 0
robot army : 1
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 14:06:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:09:39
i think the GMs arent aware enough of the extent of the
problem , every single day the same gang of people are macroing
belts in 1.0 systems to extinction . ive witnessed
a sort of evolution in the macros used and an increased
number of alts to compensate for tempbans which i caused
by petitioning .
i have 24 macrominers on my buddylist . enough said.
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 14:06:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:09:39
i think the GMs arent aware enough of the extent of the
problem , every single day the same gang of people are macroing
belts in 1.0 systems to extinction . ive witnessed
a sort of evolution in the macros used and an increased
number of alts to compensate for tempbans which i caused
by petitioning .
i have 24 macrominers on my buddylist . enough said.
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Meow |
Robocopter
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Posted - 2004.11.17 15:26:00 -
[181]
Macro-ing is against the EULA . full stop..
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Robocopter
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Posted - 2004.11.17 15:26:00 -
[182]
Macro-ing is against the EULA . full stop..
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TAKI OKAWA
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Posted - 2004.11.17 15:41:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
i agree with you macro mining is a plague and its good thing that macro mining is bannable..but dude wtf with stealing ore??
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Its not the size of dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog which matters
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TAKI OKAWA
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Posted - 2004.11.17 15:41:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
i agree with you macro mining is a plague and its good thing that macro mining is bannable..but dude wtf with stealing ore??
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Feiht ero
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Posted - 2004.11.17 18:20:00 -
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Marco miners will be a old problem when shiva gets here, wait till mining barges arrive equiped with 3 stipminers and full mining skills, it will do exactly what it says on the tin, bye bye belts
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Feiht ero
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Posted - 2004.11.17 18:20:00 -
[186]
Marco miners will be a old problem when shiva gets here, wait till mining barges arrive equiped with 3 stipminers and full mining skills, it will do exactly what it says on the tin, bye bye belts
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.11.17 18:59:00 -
[187]
There's a guy operating in Renyn called munart01 (all the way up to munart24)... He stripmines using apocs and haulers. Definitely macro'ing. I petitioned, the GM's could prove anything but they're keeping an eye on him.
Remember... Renyn. Bring your haulers ...
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.11.17 18:59:00 -
[188]
There's a guy operating in Renyn called munart01 (all the way up to munart24)... He stripmines using apocs and haulers. Definitely macro'ing. I petitioned, the GM's could prove anything but they're keeping an eye on him.
Remember... Renyn. Bring your haulers ...
Popular deviant. |
Tgaru
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Posted - 2004.11.17 21:16:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
Make screenshoots of you pushing them away and their lasers fturning off and the ship does idles there, or anything that shows that a macro us being used. Petition them and add a link to all the screenshoots you toke and uploaded.
This may speed up an investigation and the GM's will appreciate your effort in trying to help them.
Why the need for the "hall monitor" mentality? Just simply make it unprofitable for them to conduct their activities. It's so simple and Eve is such a robust game in regard for player-centered solutions to issues that come up. 9 times in 10, the real reason behind this "hall monitor" mentality it "envy" or something similar.
If GMs and devs really want to bust these guys, make it easier for the players to provide the "Corrective action." Perhaps a prompt box which would come up if a macroers ore was being stolen asking whether they wanted to regard that action as criminal. If they are at the keyboard to click yes, then the person erroneously making the de facto allegation via the act of theft will be tagged as a criminal(i believe) under the pending aggression rule changes. If the person is actually a macro miner, nothing gets accounted for and the theives deprive the exploiter of his\her ill gotten macro gains.
A little originality and creativity versus just being predictably schoolmarmish does a game good ;)
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Tgaru
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Posted - 2004.11.17 21:16:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
Make screenshoots of you pushing them away and their lasers fturning off and the ship does idles there, or anything that shows that a macro us being used. Petition them and add a link to all the screenshoots you toke and uploaded.
This may speed up an investigation and the GM's will appreciate your effort in trying to help them.
Why the need for the "hall monitor" mentality? Just simply make it unprofitable for them to conduct their activities. It's so simple and Eve is such a robust game in regard for player-centered solutions to issues that come up. 9 times in 10, the real reason behind this "hall monitor" mentality it "envy" or something similar.
If GMs and devs really want to bust these guys, make it easier for the players to provide the "Corrective action." Perhaps a prompt box which would come up if a macroers ore was being stolen asking whether they wanted to regard that action as criminal. If they are at the keyboard to click yes, then the person erroneously making the de facto allegation via the act of theft will be tagged as a criminal(i believe) under the pending aggression rule changes. If the person is actually a macro miner, nothing gets accounted for and the theives deprive the exploiter of his\her ill gotten macro gains.
A little originality and creativity versus just being predictably schoolmarmish does a game good ;)
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Von Korona
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Posted - 2004.11.17 22:39:00 -
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CCP should just incorporate a heavy fine into the EULA so that anyone using a macro can be fined the value of the ISK they take out of the game. If you need the upto the minute value of isk in dollars im sure the helpful websites of these "players" can help you out heaps....
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Von Korona
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Posted - 2004.11.17 22:39:00 -
[192]
CCP should just incorporate a heavy fine into the EULA so that anyone using a macro can be fined the value of the ISK they take out of the game. If you need the upto the minute value of isk in dollars im sure the helpful websites of these "players" can help you out heaps....
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Cary Grant
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Posted - 2004.11.19 08:33:00 -
[193]
Sad part of macro'ing is the fact that so many online stores have popped up willing to buy your isk, one quick look will show how many are buying isk for $3.50-$4.50 U.S. Dollars per 10 million isk, add a bunch of macro fiends out there, and you get the idea that it wont take long for our Eve economy to go the way of Lineage II or FFXI.
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Cary Grant
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Posted - 2004.11.19 08:33:00 -
[194]
Sad part of macro'ing is the fact that so many online stores have popped up willing to buy your isk, one quick look will show how many are buying isk for $3.50-$4.50 U.S. Dollars per 10 million isk, add a bunch of macro fiends out there, and you get the idea that it wont take long for our Eve economy to go the way of Lineage II or FFXI.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.19 09:41:00 -
[195]
Public shamelist! This helps! But not done by players. GMs have to do this and are the only guys that can do this in a correct way. Thats what GMs are there for! Like refeeres in football give yellow and red cards, the EVE GMs should do the same. Why should a referee in football take the player to a seperate room and give him the red card there??? They do it while 50.000 fans see it. 50% of the fans are happy, 50% are not - but that¦s the hard job of a referee. These guys are in the middle of a 50.000 spectator hell and CONTROL it!
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.19 09:41:00 -
[196]
Public shamelist! This helps! But not done by players. GMs have to do this and are the only guys that can do this in a correct way. Thats what GMs are there for! Like refeeres in football give yellow and red cards, the EVE GMs should do the same. Why should a referee in football take the player to a seperate room and give him the red card there??? They do it while 50.000 fans see it. 50% of the fans are happy, 50% are not - but that¦s the hard job of a referee. These guys are in the middle of a 50.000 spectator hell and CONTROL it!
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:28:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Robocopter
Macro-ing is against the EULA . full stop..
Please give me the part which states that because i dont believe you are right :-) |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:28:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Robocopter
Macro-ing is against the EULA . full stop..
Please give me the part which states that because i dont believe you are right :-) |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:30:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Lifewire
Public shamelist! This helps! But not done by players. GMs have to do this and are the only guys that can do this in a correct way. Thats what GMs are there for! Like refeeres in football give yellow and red cards, the EVE GMs should do the same. Why should a referee in football take the player to a seperate room and give him the red card there??? They do it while 50.000 fans see it. 50% of the fans are happy, 50% are not - but that¦s the hard job of a referee. These guys are in the middle of a 50.000 spectator hell and CONTROL it!
If they named people (rather than characters) they would be in breach of the UK data protection act enabling the person to sue and make more money out of eve |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:30:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Lifewire
Public shamelist! This helps! But not done by players. GMs have to do this and are the only guys that can do this in a correct way. Thats what GMs are there for! Like refeeres in football give yellow and red cards, the EVE GMs should do the same. Why should a referee in football take the player to a seperate room and give him the red card there??? They do it while 50.000 fans see it. 50% of the fans are happy, 50% are not - but that¦s the hard job of a referee. These guys are in the middle of a 50.000 spectator hell and CONTROL it!
If they named people (rather than characters) they would be in breach of the UK data protection act enabling the person to sue and make more money out of eve |
Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:53:00 -
[201]
Character shamelist is enough.
Heero, if i would be a GM i would ban you for posting pro-macro-mining. You want to argue why macros should be allowed.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:53:00 -
[202]
Character shamelist is enough.
Heero, if i would be a GM i would ban you for posting pro-macro-mining. You want to argue why macros should be allowed.
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:58:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Taurequis on 19/11/2004 14:04:26
WHat about if CCP claim Intellectual copyright on the isk produced in game. In a similar way to music, software code etc. This way they get to sue the pants off people in another way when they sell isk.
Unless thats how the EULA works atm...
Taurequis
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:58:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Taurequis on 19/11/2004 14:04:26
WHat about if CCP claim Intellectual copyright on the isk produced in game. In a similar way to music, software code etc. This way they get to sue the pants off people in another way when they sell isk.
Unless thats how the EULA works atm...
Taurequis
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Jeanpierre Duvall
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Posted - 2004.11.21 13:04:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Jeanpierre Duvall on 21/11/2004 13:09:58
What some people seem to miss in this discussion is the fact that macromining IS faster then ordinary mining. F.ex. I can mine for about 3 hours per day and a macro can mine for 23 hours per day. And noone can mine that long no matter how sleepdeprived they are.
And the fact that you only can steal their ore is not enough. Lets say that they mine for 20 hours per day. How many hours per day can you steal their ore? You get about 700k of trit from one can of veld. That will generate about 1 mill isk. Selling the isk at $3.5 per 10mill would pay your account with only 40 cans of veld per account and month.
Now lets say that we can blow these MF's up and they loose an Apoc. That would be a setback since they would loose about 30-40 mill on it. So the idea about a 1 hour vendetta is great. (and it would give us nOObs a chanse to put a Apoc on the side of our cruisers.
Thanx for a good thread Kitty Claw.
nOObish carebear miner over and out.
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Jeanpierre Duvall
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Posted - 2004.11.21 13:04:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Jeanpierre Duvall on 21/11/2004 13:09:58
What some people seem to miss in this discussion is the fact that macromining IS faster then ordinary mining. F.ex. I can mine for about 3 hours per day and a macro can mine for 23 hours per day. And noone can mine that long no matter how sleepdeprived they are.
And the fact that you only can steal their ore is not enough. Lets say that they mine for 20 hours per day. How many hours per day can you steal their ore? You get about 700k of trit from one can of veld. That will generate about 1 mill isk. Selling the isk at $3.5 per 10mill would pay your account with only 40 cans of veld per account and month.
Now lets say that we can blow these MF's up and they loose an Apoc. That would be a setback since they would loose about 30-40 mill on it. So the idea about a 1 hour vendetta is great. (and it would give us nOObs a chanse to put a Apoc on the side of our cruisers.
Thanx for a good thread Kitty Claw.
nOObish carebear miner over and out.
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2004.11.21 15:34:00 -
[207]
what i don`t get with these online sites is the tracking that could be done by a team of investigators at ccp(managment, GM`s, vol`s?)
have an "normal" account sell their isk, once the isk transfer is done wait for the money to arrive at paypal(or what ever).
track where all the money goes from the char where it is sent to, once the money moves, flag that account for life time ban and keep following the isk to the next chars and flag them aswell.
till that money is used to buy in trades or market, u`ve got all the guilty accounts.
ban all those accounts and all accounts with the same credit card/name/emails/ip`s/etc
remove the money from the game again and it`s done for this character and do the next money/isk buy/sell
it takes some efforts but i`ll bet a dev can write a program to follow the cash flow from 1 account to others when the first account is set to make it easier to keep track of specific chars and where their isk is going to
Everlasting Vendetta - Search |
Tenashi
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Posted - 2004.11.21 15:34:00 -
[208]
what i don`t get with these online sites is the tracking that could be done by a team of investigators at ccp(managment, GM`s, vol`s?)
have an "normal" account sell their isk, once the isk transfer is done wait for the money to arrive at paypal(or what ever).
track where all the money goes from the char where it is sent to, once the money moves, flag that account for life time ban and keep following the isk to the next chars and flag them aswell.
till that money is used to buy in trades or market, u`ve got all the guilty accounts.
ban all those accounts and all accounts with the same credit card/name/emails/ip`s/etc
remove the money from the game again and it`s done for this character and do the next money/isk buy/sell
it takes some efforts but i`ll bet a dev can write a program to follow the cash flow from 1 account to others when the first account is set to make it easier to keep track of specific chars and where their isk is going to
Everlasting Vendetta - Search |
Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:21:00 -
[209]
Heero: Read the whole thread, I'm sure that there's a quote of the EULA in there somewhere stating that macros aren't allowed. Secondly, CCP is based out of iceland, so UK laws don't apply.
Third, for everybody else, the ISK isn't leaving the system. If you read the fineprint on a lot of these sites, you're paying for the time it took them to gather the ISK/minerals/items, not for the items themselves. The items remain the property of CCP, and thus, no copyright laws are broke
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Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Spy, wrecking for 411.2 damage. |
Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:21:00 -
[210]
Heero: Read the whole thread, I'm sure that there's a quote of the EULA in there somewhere stating that macros aren't allowed. Secondly, CCP is based out of iceland, so UK laws don't apply.
Third, for everybody else, the ISK isn't leaving the system. If you read the fineprint on a lot of these sites, you're paying for the time it took them to gather the ISK/minerals/items, not for the items themselves. The items remain the property of CCP, and thus, no copyright laws are broke
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Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Spy, wrecking for 411.2 damage. |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:33:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Lifewire
Character shamelist is enough.
Heero, if i would be a GM i would ban you for posting pro-macro-mining. You want to argue why macros should be allowed.
lol i love u 2 man....
And for the record i don't macro mine or even mine...im a pvper pure and simple.
Some one has to put forward the other point of view and some of the peeps on this forum are stating their opinions as facts which isnt correct. I merely correct em.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:33:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Lifewire
Character shamelist is enough.
Heero, if i would be a GM i would ban you for posting pro-macro-mining. You want to argue why macros should be allowed.
lol i love u 2 man....
And for the record i don't macro mine or even mine...im a pvper pure and simple.
Some one has to put forward the other point of view and some of the peeps on this forum are stating their opinions as facts which isnt correct. I merely correct em.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:35:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 11:40:41
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 11:38:51
Originally by: Taurequis
Edited by: Taurequis on 19/11/2004 14:04:26
WHat about if CCP claim Intellectual copyright on the isk produced in game. In a similar way to music, software code etc. This way they get to sue the pants off people in another way when they sell isk.
Unless thats how the EULA works atm...
Taurequis
I said that about 5 pages ago.... Quickest way to prevent macroing is to get ccp to contact ebay and have isk selling banned.... I personally think this is some thing which would resolve the problem... prevent em selling the isk and they no longer have a reason to mine it.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:35:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 11:40:41
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 11:38:51
Originally by: Taurequis
Edited by: Taurequis on 19/11/2004 14:04:26
WHat about if CCP claim Intellectual copyright on the isk produced in game. In a similar way to music, software code etc. This way they get to sue the pants off people in another way when they sell isk.
Unless thats how the EULA works atm...
Taurequis
I said that about 5 pages ago.... Quickest way to prevent macroing is to get ccp to contact ebay and have isk selling banned.... I personally think this is some thing which would resolve the problem... prevent em selling the isk and they no longer have a reason to mine it.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:47:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 11:51:02
Originally by: Harry MacDougal
Third, for everybody else, the ISK isn't leaving the system. If you read the fineprint on a lot of these sites, you're paying for the time it took them to gather the ISK/minerals/items, not for the items themselves. The items remain the property of CCP, and thus, no copyright laws are broke
Lol does Iceland have copy right laws or is this disclaimer for the UK and American legislation which some one just said did not apply!
Also as far as the disclaimer goes if you break the law to obtain materials no contract based on such a disclaimer is valid. Imagine a theif selling his time stealing stuff and providing the items free lol
-sorry for posting 3 times guys.... |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 11:47:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 11:51:02
Originally by: Harry MacDougal
Third, for everybody else, the ISK isn't leaving the system. If you read the fineprint on a lot of these sites, you're paying for the time it took them to gather the ISK/minerals/items, not for the items themselves. The items remain the property of CCP, and thus, no copyright laws are broke
Lol does Iceland have copy right laws or is this disclaimer for the UK and American legislation which some one just said did not apply!
Also as far as the disclaimer goes if you break the law to obtain materials no contract based on such a disclaimer is valid. Imagine a theif selling his time stealing stuff and providing the items free lol
-sorry for posting 3 times guys.... |
Sinsemillia
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Posted - 2004.11.22 12:08:00 -
[217]
The thing which makes me laugh about this thread is the way everyone is goin on about afk macro miners in empire space, 1.0 & 0.9. Fair enough over a long enough amount of time they can make a decent amout of isk...
Why has no one mentioned the army of macro bots that exist in 0.0 space mining Ark/bist under the protection of whichever alliance? Anyone whos played eve long enough or has mined out in 0.0 knows that the npc's are wuss. Yes some of the spawns can be tough but any good macro'er will find a nice easy dual cruiser spawn and chain it till downtime or until nme's show in local.
I had a friend who was a professional evebayer working out of 0.0. Typical setup was his raven acount chaining while 3 apocs and one indy worked on macro's. Obviously not totally afk as he had to control the npcs but still far more detrimental to eve than the evebayers based in empire space.
Personally im against macro'in but when you consider that isk is currently going for around ś0.50 per million its understandable why people do it. Do the maths, 3 apocs + drones with maxed mining skills will bring in many millions per hour. Banning accounts is laughable at most, big deal all this means is the person has to re-invest some of the money already made evebayin into buying new accounts off ebay.
For the record my friend no longer plays eve, hes moved onto another game where the ebay market is stronger due the the fact the game is new and ingame stuff is selling for stupid ammounts of real life cash. I do believe he's been selling during beta
Guess what im sayin is yes empire macro'in is a problem, 0.0 macro'in is worse and tbh i cant see ccp ever stopping it. Ban the accounts and they will just buy new ones! Take away the market and the evebayers will move to pastures new. That means banning all the lame rich fkers out there who can afford to buy 200mil isk off ebay everytime they loose a BS.
The sellers know what they are doing most of the time and will rarely suffer any major losses at the hands of ccp. The buyers on the other hand (large % of which are american, not flame bait just what ive seen) are pretty stupid, using their mains to do the isk transfers and so on.
Flame me, ban me, do whatever. Everything that ive said above has been witnessed first hand. I've watched my m8 running his macro's (very impressive tbh) i've also watched him doing the ebay transactions. Hell ive even put business his way by blowing up SA BS's in curse only to find out that the person in question has bought isk of my m8 to replace his losses.
Carry on tracking down the empire macro'ers/evebayers but its just a drop in the ocean compared to whats really going on. Supply and demand... Take away the demand and the evebayers will drift away. However while the evebayers can make in excess of ś1000 per month its gonna take more than a few vigilante wannabe gm's to solve the problem. CCP are the only ones who can stop this, but as has been shown on numerous occasions already they would rather break thing which dont need fixing instead of fixing the real problems which will eventually lead to the demise of eve.
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Sinsemillia
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Posted - 2004.11.22 12:08:00 -
[218]
The thing which makes me laugh about this thread is the way everyone is goin on about afk macro miners in empire space, 1.0 & 0.9. Fair enough over a long enough amount of time they can make a decent amout of isk...
Why has no one mentioned the army of macro bots that exist in 0.0 space mining Ark/bist under the protection of whichever alliance? Anyone whos played eve long enough or has mined out in 0.0 knows that the npc's are wuss. Yes some of the spawns can be tough but any good macro'er will find a nice easy dual cruiser spawn and chain it till downtime or until nme's show in local.
I had a friend who was a professional evebayer working out of 0.0. Typical setup was his raven acount chaining while 3 apocs and one indy worked on macro's. Obviously not totally afk as he had to control the npcs but still far more detrimental to eve than the evebayers based in empire space.
Personally im against macro'in but when you consider that isk is currently going for around ś0.50 per million its understandable why people do it. Do the maths, 3 apocs + drones with maxed mining skills will bring in many millions per hour. Banning accounts is laughable at most, big deal all this means is the person has to re-invest some of the money already made evebayin into buying new accounts off ebay.
For the record my friend no longer plays eve, hes moved onto another game where the ebay market is stronger due the the fact the game is new and ingame stuff is selling for stupid ammounts of real life cash. I do believe he's been selling during beta
Guess what im sayin is yes empire macro'in is a problem, 0.0 macro'in is worse and tbh i cant see ccp ever stopping it. Ban the accounts and they will just buy new ones! Take away the market and the evebayers will move to pastures new. That means banning all the lame rich fkers out there who can afford to buy 200mil isk off ebay everytime they loose a BS.
The sellers know what they are doing most of the time and will rarely suffer any major losses at the hands of ccp. The buyers on the other hand (large % of which are american, not flame bait just what ive seen) are pretty stupid, using their mains to do the isk transfers and so on.
Flame me, ban me, do whatever. Everything that ive said above has been witnessed first hand. I've watched my m8 running his macro's (very impressive tbh) i've also watched him doing the ebay transactions. Hell ive even put business his way by blowing up SA BS's in curse only to find out that the person in question has bought isk of my m8 to replace his losses.
Carry on tracking down the empire macro'ers/evebayers but its just a drop in the ocean compared to whats really going on. Supply and demand... Take away the demand and the evebayers will drift away. However while the evebayers can make in excess of ś1000 per month its gonna take more than a few vigilante wannabe gm's to solve the problem. CCP are the only ones who can stop this, but as has been shown on numerous occasions already they would rather break thing which dont need fixing instead of fixing the real problems which will eventually lead to the demise of eve.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 12:44:00 -
[219]
Thank you... an honest person on this forum!
I had not even considered the afk mining in 0.0.... surely that would be even more of a problem as the extra isk and mins in the economy could adversely effect it?
Lol and before people say any thing he is not my alt! |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 12:44:00 -
[220]
Thank you... an honest person on this forum!
I had not even considered the afk mining in 0.0.... surely that would be even more of a problem as the extra isk and mins in the economy could adversely effect it?
Lol and before people say any thing he is not my alt! |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 12:54:00 -
[221]
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 12:57:22
just out of curiosity if the eve economy is a fake economy (i.e effected by the programming, npcs etc rather than what players want) would marco mining cause a problem such as hyper inflation of deinflation?
- Can any one tell me what damage to eve does macro mining do apart from strip noob belts? (i bet the noobs are the ones buying the isk)
What im trying to say is why are we all getting upset? - is it the 12k that guy used to make or am i missing the point? |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 12:54:00 -
[222]
Edited by: Heero Yuy on 22/11/2004 12:57:22
just out of curiosity if the eve economy is a fake economy (i.e effected by the programming, npcs etc rather than what players want) would marco mining cause a problem such as hyper inflation of deinflation?
- Can any one tell me what damage to eve does macro mining do apart from strip noob belts? (i bet the noobs are the ones buying the isk)
What im trying to say is why are we all getting upset? - is it the 12k that guy used to make or am i missing the point? |
Sinsemillia
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Posted - 2004.11.22 13:47:00 -
[223]
I really dont think empire macro'in is such a bad problem, if anything its good for the eve economy. Who else is gonna to supply the market with billions of units of trit? If CCP did manage to fix the problem (not gonna happen) just think how much more player built items are gonna cost? Even the noobiest noob is gonna realise mining veld is pointless when omber/Pyro can be mined with no extra risk..
One question i have is for anyone who is running more than one account when doing mining ops. How can you possibally effeicently mine without using a macro? I mean dragging ore every 30 seconds on multiple accounts while hauling/whatever else you do?
I think the biggest reason for the "jumping on the macro hating bandwagon" is jealousy. Either because they do not know how to use or where to get the macro's from or are unable to afford to run multiple accounts/have the hardware to do it. Its sucks, personally i hate the fact people can have multiple accounts in the same game. Totally unfair and can no way be classed as a level playing field, shame its always going to be this way in these types of games. |
Sinsemillia
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Posted - 2004.11.22 13:47:00 -
[224]
I really dont think empire macro'in is such a bad problem, if anything its good for the eve economy. Who else is gonna to supply the market with billions of units of trit? If CCP did manage to fix the problem (not gonna happen) just think how much more player built items are gonna cost? Even the noobiest noob is gonna realise mining veld is pointless when omber/Pyro can be mined with no extra risk..
One question i have is for anyone who is running more than one account when doing mining ops. How can you possibally effeicently mine without using a macro? I mean dragging ore every 30 seconds on multiple accounts while hauling/whatever else you do?
I think the biggest reason for the "jumping on the macro hating bandwagon" is jealousy. Either because they do not know how to use or where to get the macro's from or are unable to afford to run multiple accounts/have the hardware to do it. Its sucks, personally i hate the fact people can have multiple accounts in the same game. Totally unfair and can no way be classed as a level playing field, shame its always going to be this way in these types of games. |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 13:52:00 -
[225]
thats a point... where do people get these macros from... i would have no idea where to even start looking! |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 13:52:00 -
[226]
thats a point... where do people get these macros from... i would have no idea where to even start looking! |
Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.11.22 16:28:00 -
[227]
u can make them without too much trouble since u just need a program to repeat the drag motion. Personally i would hate to see ccp *****ing down on the little people here i am totally against somone running multiple accounts and selling it all on ebay but lone people doing it so they can get sumwhere is somthing different so i beleive ccp should be taking these things into consideration... Its impossible to do it in 0.0 space without any risks tell me where those marco miners in 0.0 hang out and ill sort the problem for u . My friend used use macros but he wasnt afk he just used one because it meant he didnt have to keep clicking it so he could do his homework or read a book while on his computer is this just as wrong?
If you say it gives some an unfair advantage in the game wot is the difference to doing that or buying 5 accounts to mine with at once because you have more real life money then me both will give an advantage yet one is allowed and one isnt. Before u say it i dont use macros im a pvper not a miner but i just thought ild give an oppion.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.11.22 16:28:00 -
[228]
u can make them without too much trouble since u just need a program to repeat the drag motion. Personally i would hate to see ccp *****ing down on the little people here i am totally against somone running multiple accounts and selling it all on ebay but lone people doing it so they can get sumwhere is somthing different so i beleive ccp should be taking these things into consideration... Its impossible to do it in 0.0 space without any risks tell me where those marco miners in 0.0 hang out and ill sort the problem for u . My friend used use macros but he wasnt afk he just used one because it meant he didnt have to keep clicking it so he could do his homework or read a book while on his computer is this just as wrong?
If you say it gives some an unfair advantage in the game wot is the difference to doing that or buying 5 accounts to mine with at once because you have more real life money then me both will give an advantage yet one is allowed and one isnt. Before u say it i dont use macros im a pvper not a miner but i just thought ild give an oppion.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.11.22 16:49:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Thyro on 22/11/2004 16:55:04
Originally by: Kitty Claw
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
does that answer your question ?
Well no! Doesn't answer any question!
If they (who uses those macros) don't strip those ABs then anyone else will do that anyway...
Actually I don't really understand why CCP does not provide such function as automated mining... Well I know... spending time mining like we all do = $ on montly fees.
And this game sucks a bit due to that 90% to 95% of the time mining to 5% to 10% PVPering (fun)... So I really dont see why macro-mining is bad thing... since CCP should have done something about that tedius and anoying thing while ago to have subscriptors that play the game and don't wast hours/days mining to get somewhere!
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.11.22 16:49:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Thyro on 22/11/2004 16:55:04
Originally by: Kitty Claw
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
does that answer your question ?
Well no! Doesn't answer any question!
If they (who uses those macros) don't strip those ABs then anyone else will do that anyway...
Actually I don't really understand why CCP does not provide such function as automated mining... Well I know... spending time mining like we all do = $ on montly fees.
And this game sucks a bit due to that 90% to 95% of the time mining to 5% to 10% PVPering (fun)... So I really dont see why macro-mining is bad thing... since CCP should have done something about that tedius and anoying thing while ago to have subscriptors that play the game and don't wast hours/days mining to get somewhere!
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 17:07:00 -
[231]
This thread seems ot have become a lets love the macro! lol |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.22 17:07:00 -
[232]
This thread seems ot have become a lets love the macro! lol |
Gibri
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Posted - 2004.11.22 20:27:00 -
[233]
Edited by: Gibri on 22/11/2004 20:29:51
Got a nice screenshot of the munarts in action today in renyn. 
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Gibri
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Posted - 2004.11.22 20:27:00 -
[234]
Edited by: Gibri on 22/11/2004 20:29:51
Got a nice screenshot of the munarts in action today in renyn.
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ShdwTrance
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Posted - 2004.11.22 22:01:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Vampire Blade
Originally by: Wraeththu
All they need to do is make mining more complicated/interesting so it's not easily macroable. Make it like wack-a-mole or something.
"oh noes! The pyroxeries is getting away.. F1, F1, double click, double click!!!!"
wow. i'm actually liking that idea..
i love those kinda games.. like parappa the rapper, jet set radio, gitaroo man..
press buttons to timing or something.. or control it with mouse actions to keep it "balanced"
or even better.. GOGO dancemat peripheral..
i'd so mine if i had some dodgy eurobeat and a dancemat plugged in.
Id Puke 
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ShdwTrance
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Posted - 2004.11.22 22:01:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Vampire Blade
Originally by: Wraeththu
All they need to do is make mining more complicated/interesting so it's not easily macroable. Make it like wack-a-mole or something.
"oh noes! The pyroxeries is getting away.. F1, F1, double click, double click!!!!"
wow. i'm actually liking that idea..
i love those kinda games.. like parappa the rapper, jet set radio, gitaroo man..
press buttons to timing or something.. or control it with mouse actions to keep it "balanced"
or even better.. GOGO dancemat peripheral..
i'd so mine if i had some dodgy eurobeat and a dancemat plugged in.
Id Puke
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Dethra
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Posted - 2004.11.22 23:47:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Nervar
Edited by: Nervar on 10/11/2004 01:39:07
Yup the plague that has ruined other games are now upon us..
This is a big buisniss so even thoug you manage to bann 3 accounts, the offenders will just buy 3 new accounts and start over again as its so lucrative to sell virtual money these days.
Lucky for us that there is a fixed timer on how fast one can train up their mining skill's
If not these people would train up another alt army inn days..
After wathing it destroy linage2 im not at all surprised that we see people with names like this: guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
Honestly, I'd have to agree. I've played Lineage II, and if anyone knows about Liriens, they're a prime example.
In Lineage II, Liriens are slow moving beings, can be killed between lv15-25, roughly. They are aggressive, so you run by a few, they all follow you. If you round up enough, you can use your aoe (area of Effect) spell (it's a fire spell, can't remember name) and kill them all in 2-3 hits if you have a strong enough spellbook/staff/weapon. This brings in tremendous money, plus it's good to level on. (higher levels = more money)
Anyways, all the character names were similar to the ones stated in the first post. I'm not saying all Chinese are macro'ers, or all Koreans are macro'ers; I've talked to some, they just couldn't speak english well.
The same is, or seems to be happening in Eve online. This disgusts me, as Lineage II's economy got royally..screwed. (would have used expletive.. but then it'd get cencored)
Now, I know we haven't figured out a suitable idea to fix this.. some good ideas, but doesn't the Eula specify you CANNOT sell accts/ISK/items on ebay, or any other auction website?
If so, can you not sue these sites, as they buy and sell the ISK for REAL LIFE money, which is SPECIFICALLY targeted as being illegal? If so, they would hopefully leave Eve, and you could make a major step forward for anti-macro stuff.
ALSO: if, based on these names, they're the same type of macro'ers as the ones in LII (Lineage II) then they do keep an eye on the game. I have seen firsthand a character macro'es for a while, and if they keep getting griefed, they'll do something out of ordinary to help fix it; or they'll just do something out of hte ordinary. However, 90% of the time they speak foreign languages that aren't european or english...
They WILL keep an eye out and occasionally move and react to problematic people or problem causers, I've seen it myself.
AND they could be like those people who get payed per hour or per amount of ISK they generate in those computer sweat-shop type deals, where tehre are hundreds of people literally playing the game (which is their job) with the sole purpose of generating money (adeena, isk, gold pieces, etc) thus they resort to the most stable source.. in this case, mining.
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Dethra
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Posted - 2004.11.22 23:47:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Nervar
Edited by: Nervar on 10/11/2004 01:39:07
Yup the plague that has ruined other games are now upon us..
This is a big buisniss so even thoug you manage to bann 3 accounts, the offenders will just buy 3 new accounts and start over again as its so lucrative to sell virtual money these days.
Lucky for us that there is a fixed timer on how fast one can train up their mining skill's
If not these people would train up another alt army inn days..
After wathing it destroy linage2 im not at all surprised that we see people with names like this: guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
Honestly, I'd have to agree. I've played Lineage II, and if anyone knows about Liriens, they're a prime example.
In Lineage II, Liriens are slow moving beings, can be killed between lv15-25, roughly. They are aggressive, so you run by a few, they all follow you. If you round up enough, you can use your aoe (area of Effect) spell (it's a fire spell, can't remember name) and kill them all in 2-3 hits if you have a strong enough spellbook/staff/weapon. This brings in tremendous money, plus it's good to level on. (higher levels = more money)
Anyways, all the character names were similar to the ones stated in the first post. I'm not saying all Chinese are macro'ers, or all Koreans are macro'ers; I've talked to some, they just couldn't speak english well.
The same is, or seems to be happening in Eve online. This disgusts me, as Lineage II's economy got royally..screwed. (would have used expletive.. but then it'd get cencored)
Now, I know we haven't figured out a suitable idea to fix this.. some good ideas, but doesn't the Eula specify you CANNOT sell accts/ISK/items on ebay, or any other auction website?
If so, can you not sue these sites, as they buy and sell the ISK for REAL LIFE money, which is SPECIFICALLY targeted as being illegal? If so, they would hopefully leave Eve, and you could make a major step forward for anti-macro stuff.
ALSO: if, based on these names, they're the same type of macro'ers as the ones in LII (Lineage II) then they do keep an eye on the game. I have seen firsthand a character macro'es for a while, and if they keep getting griefed, they'll do something out of ordinary to help fix it; or they'll just do something out of hte ordinary. However, 90% of the time they speak foreign languages that aren't european or english...
They WILL keep an eye out and occasionally move and react to problematic people or problem causers, I've seen it myself.
AND they could be like those people who get payed per hour or per amount of ISK they generate in those computer sweat-shop type deals, where tehre are hundreds of people literally playing the game (which is their job) with the sole purpose of generating money (adeena, isk, gold pieces, etc) thus they resort to the most stable source.. in this case, mining.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2004.11.23 08:34:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Thyro
Edited by: Thyro on 22/11/2004 16:55:04
Originally by: Kitty Claw
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
does that answer your question ?
Well no! Doesn't answer any question!
If they (who uses those macros) don't strip those ABs then anyone else will do that anyway...
Actually I don't really understand why CCP does not provide such function as automated mining... Well I know... spending time mining like we all do = $ on montly fees.
And this game sucks a bit due to that 90% to 95% of the time mining to 5% to 10% PVPering (fun)... So I really dont see why macro-mining is bad thing... since CCP should have done something about that tedius and anoying thing while ago to have subscriptors that play the game and don't wast hours/days mining to get somewhere!
Let me be blunt: If you want easy all around pvp go play CS or another game like it. Don't destroy the game for the rest of us please.
Macroing is against the game rules. ok?
Let me give you an example. You're playing Monopoly with your best friend. Suddenly he has enough money to buy hotels on all his lots. You ask him whow this happened and he answers that he just made the money himself in his Xerox machine. Naturally you lose the game big time to him. Next time you play you've made new money by yourself and everything now costs 10 times as much. Is this funnier than before?
And don't forget that some macroers sell their isk for real currency. That's something I really don't like.
Btw, it's lots of fun to pvp in a frig. It doesn't cost much and you don't have to mine 95% of your time if you lose it.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2004.11.23 08:34:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Thyro
Edited by: Thyro on 22/11/2004 16:55:04
Originally by: Kitty Claw
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
does that answer your question ?
Well no! Doesn't answer any question!
If they (who uses those macros) don't strip those ABs then anyone else will do that anyway...
Actually I don't really understand why CCP does not provide such function as automated mining... Well I know... spending time mining like we all do = $ on montly fees.
And this game sucks a bit due to that 90% to 95% of the time mining to 5% to 10% PVPering (fun)... So I really dont see why macro-mining is bad thing... since CCP should have done something about that tedius and anoying thing while ago to have subscriptors that play the game and don't wast hours/days mining to get somewhere!
Let me be blunt: If you want easy all around pvp go play CS or another game like it. Don't destroy the game for the rest of us please.
Macroing is against the game rules. ok?
Let me give you an example. You're playing Monopoly with your best friend. Suddenly he has enough money to buy hotels on all his lots. You ask him whow this happened and he answers that he just made the money himself in his Xerox machine. Naturally you lose the game big time to him. Next time you play you've made new money by yourself and everything now costs 10 times as much. Is this funnier than before?
And don't forget that some macroers sell their isk for real currency. That's something I really don't like.
Btw, it's lots of fun to pvp in a frig. It doesn't cost much and you don't have to mine 95% of your time if you lose it.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.11.24 02:03:00 -
[241]
I think there's a solution to this problem, would it be macro mining in 1.0 or 0.0
When mining, every now and then a message pops at random location on your screen with a random sequence of letters. The text can't be read by onscreen scanning since it's displayed in random colors, random positions and on random background making it impossible to scan.
If you don't type the displayed text correctly and in timely fashion in the private convo that opens, you get a mark on your account. Get ten marks and you get banned. A mark wears off every day.
That will get ridd of 1.0 macroers as well as multi-account macroers who won't be able to monitor multiple screens.
If you are engaged in a fight or being afk for some minutes, it's not a concern since you need repeated marks to get banned.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.11.24 02:03:00 -
[242]
I think there's a solution to this problem, would it be macro mining in 1.0 or 0.0
When mining, every now and then a message pops at random location on your screen with a random sequence of letters. The text can't be read by onscreen scanning since it's displayed in random colors, random positions and on random background making it impossible to scan.
If you don't type the displayed text correctly and in timely fashion in the private convo that opens, you get a mark on your account. Get ten marks and you get banned. A mark wears off every day.
That will get ridd of 1.0 macroers as well as multi-account macroers who won't be able to monitor multiple screens.
If you are engaged in a fight or being afk for some minutes, it's not a concern since you need repeated marks to get banned.
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Everis
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Posted - 2004.11.24 02:33:00 -
[243]
I'm a alt.
I flew to Renyn today and found the following ships at a belt:
Cristym 04Commander
Cristi 01Mineru
munart01
munart02
munart03
munart05
munart06
munart07
All were in apocs except for Cristym 04Commander who was in an Indy mk5. All were in npc corps. Also, note the time I warped in the belt.
[ 2004.11.23 09:26:42 ] (notify) Warping to Renyn X - Asteroid Belt 2
I approached their ships and target locked the indy. A minute later I bumped the ships, but got no response. I then made my own jet can and emptied the contents of their jet can into my own. The munart apocs kept putting ore into the can I was emptying. Since I was in a frigate, I targeted the jet can I made and blew up the ore. I then popped the old can. The indy then warped out. Around this time the mining lasers on all the apocs stopped.
A few minutes later the indy warped back in and munart02 made a new jet can. An apoc dumped some plag into it, I made a new can, took the ore, popped their can, and blew up the ore again. They kept making new jet cans (which I kept popping) despite the fact that all the apocs had stopped mining a while ago. Also, you'd think someone would notice all those rockets exploding right by their ships.
Nine minutes after the first rocket barrage I managed to get a response on local.
[ 2004.11.23 09:39:16 ] Everis > do you macro miners even notice that i blow up your cans?
[ 2004.11.23 09:43:51 ] Cristym 04Commander > he he
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:20 ] Cristym 04Commander > macro miner ? you are macro miner ...lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:28 ] Cristym 04Commander > why do u blow up my cans ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:43 ] Everis > cause you are macromining
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:08 ] Everis > at least your back at the keyboard now
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:22 ] Cristym 04Commander > how can i macro mining if i am here and talk to you ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:33 ] Cristym 04Commander > lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:42 ] Everis > easy, set it up then leave. check on it once in a while. you notice something is wrong so now you talk
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:55 ] Everis > you were macro mining
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:27 ] Cristym 04Commander > no ..i am here all the time ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:47 ] Cristym 04Commander > sorry that i was at the closet 3 minutes ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:55 ] Everis > of course you were
[ 2004.11.23 09:47:04 ] Cristym 04Commander > i think i must be here all the time in order for you to think i am a real person
He then logged off most of his macro accounts.
The instant I said "macro miner" on local ALL the ships started to warp out in different directions at the same time. It must be a programmed response since it took 4 minutes for a response on local. Also notice that it took 17 minutes from when I warped in for a chat response from these guys! Target locking their ships, stealing their ore, and creating a fiery hailstorm of rockets in the middle of their group didn't get a reaction at all!
Would CCP take a fraps video as evidence? If so, then next time I see a macroer I'll fraps it and put it on a server for them to download. I have screenshots of this encounter, but they just don't show the strange behavior as clearly as a captured vid.
If by some chance this person really isn't a macroer, I'd still pop the cans since he's still likely to be selling isk for real money.
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Everis
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Posted - 2004.11.24 02:33:00 -
[244]
I'm a alt.
I flew to Renyn today and found the following ships at a belt:
Cristym 04Commander
Cristi 01Mineru
munart01
munart02
munart03
munart05
munart06
munart07
All were in apocs except for Cristym 04Commander who was in an Indy mk5. All were in npc corps. Also, note the time I warped in the belt.
[ 2004.11.23 09:26:42 ] (notify) Warping to Renyn X - Asteroid Belt 2
I approached their ships and target locked the indy. A minute later I bumped the ships, but got no response. I then made my own jet can and emptied the contents of their jet can into my own. The munart apocs kept putting ore into the can I was emptying. Since I was in a frigate, I targeted the jet can I made and blew up the ore. I then popped the old can. The indy then warped out. Around this time the mining lasers on all the apocs stopped.
A few minutes later the indy warped back in and munart02 made a new jet can. An apoc dumped some plag into it, I made a new can, took the ore, popped their can, and blew up the ore again. They kept making new jet cans (which I kept popping) despite the fact that all the apocs had stopped mining a while ago. Also, you'd think someone would notice all those rockets exploding right by their ships.
Nine minutes after the first rocket barrage I managed to get a response on local.
[ 2004.11.23 09:39:16 ] Everis > do you macro miners even notice that i blow up your cans?
[ 2004.11.23 09:43:51 ] Cristym 04Commander > he he
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:20 ] Cristym 04Commander > macro miner ? you are macro miner ...lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:28 ] Cristym 04Commander > why do u blow up my cans ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:43 ] Everis > cause you are macromining
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:08 ] Everis > at least your back at the keyboard now
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:22 ] Cristym 04Commander > how can i macro mining if i am here and talk to you ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:33 ] Cristym 04Commander > lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:42 ] Everis > easy, set it up then leave. check on it once in a while. you notice something is wrong so now you talk
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:55 ] Everis > you were macro mining
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:27 ] Cristym 04Commander > no ..i am here all the time ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:47 ] Cristym 04Commander > sorry that i was at the closet 3 minutes ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:55 ] Everis > of course you were
[ 2004.11.23 09:47:04 ] Cristym 04Commander > i think i must be here all the time in order for you to think i am a real person
He then logged off most of his macro accounts.
The instant I said "macro miner" on local ALL the ships started to warp out in different directions at the same time. It must be a programmed response since it took 4 minutes for a response on local. Also notice that it took 17 minutes from when I warped in for a chat response from these guys! Target locking their ships, stealing their ore, and creating a fiery hailstorm of rockets in the middle of their group didn't get a reaction at all!
Would CCP take a fraps video as evidence? If so, then next time I see a macroer I'll fraps it and put it on a server for them to download. I have screenshots of this encounter, but they just don't show the strange behavior as clearly as a captured vid.
If by some chance this person really isn't a macroer, I'd still pop the cans since he's still likely to be selling isk for real money.
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.11.24 09:09:00 -
[245]
The fact that he had many accounts with the same name, just a new number in sequence is so OBVIOUS he isn't a macro miner, just a click and drag master
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.11.24 09:09:00 -
[246]
The fact that he had many accounts with the same name, just a new number in sequence is so OBVIOUS he isn't a macro miner, just a click and drag master
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.25 08:54:00 -
[247]
yay - shiva screwwed up most macros
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.25 08:54:00 -
[248]
yay - shiva screwwed up most macros
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.12.02 08:09:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Everis
I'm a alt.
I flew to Renyn today and found the following ships at a belt:
Cristym 04Commander
Cristi 01Mineru
munart01
munart02
munart03
munart05
munart06
munart07
All were in apocs except for Cristym 04Commander who was in an Indy mk5. All were in npc corps. Also, note the time I warped in the belt.
[ 2004.11.23 09:26:42 ] (notify) Warping to Renyn X - Asteroid Belt 2
I approached their ships and target locked the indy. A minute later I bumped the ships, but got no response. I then made my own jet can and emptied the contents of their jet can into my own. The munart apocs kept putting ore into the can I was emptying. Since I was in a frigate, I targeted the jet can I made and blew up the ore. I then popped the old can. The indy then warped out. Around this time the mining lasers on all the apocs stopped.
A few minutes later the indy warped back in and munart02 made a new jet can. An apoc dumped some plag into it, I made a new can, took the ore, popped their can, and blew up the ore again. They kept making new jet cans (which I kept popping) despite the fact that all the apocs had stopped mining a while ago. Also, you'd think someone would notice all those rockets exploding right by their ships.
Nine minutes after the first rocket barrage I managed to get a response on local.
[ 2004.11.23 09:39:16 ] Everis > do you macro miners even notice that i blow up your cans?
[ 2004.11.23 09:43:51 ] Cristym 04Commander > he he
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:20 ] Cristym 04Commander > macro miner ? you are macro miner ...lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:28 ] Cristym 04Commander > why do u blow up my cans ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:43 ] Everis > cause you are macromining
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:08 ] Everis > at least your back at the keyboard now
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:22 ] Cristym 04Commander > how can i macro mining if i am here and talk to you ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:33 ] Cristym 04Commander > lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:42 ] Everis > easy, set it up then leave. check on it once in a while. you notice something is wrong so now you talk
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:55 ] Everis > you were macro mining
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:27 ] Cristym 04Commander > no ..i am here all the time ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:47 ] Cristym 04Commander > sorry that i was at the closet 3 minutes ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:55 ] Everis > of course you were
[ 2004.11.23 09:47:04 ] Cristym 04Commander > i think i must be here all the time in order for you to think i am a real person
He then logged off most of his macro accounts.
The instant I said "macro miner" on local ALL the ships started to warp out in different directions at the same time. It must be a programmed response since it took 4 minutes for a response on local. Also notice that it took 17 minutes from when I warped in for a chat response from these guys! Target locking their ships, stealing their ore, and creating a fiery hailstorm of rockets in the middle of their group didn't get a reaction at all!
Would CCP take a fraps video as evidence? If so, then next time I see a macroer I'll fraps it and put it on a server for them to download. I have screenshots of this encounter, but they just don't show the strange behavior as clearly as a captured vid.
If by some chance this person really isn't a macroer, I'd still pop the cans since he's still likely to be selling isk for real money.
I ran into this guy today, I petioned him under exploits, lets just say jack was done about it (he was still mining 8 hours after exploit petioned, just about 10 mins ago he woke up after over 12 hours of mining and started saying he was'nt using macro's ect, yet anyone who saw hi operation could clearly see he was, I even spent 30 mins bumping his ships all over with my shuttle and he did;nt say anything.
CCP don't care about this guy as surely they could have at least sent someone to take a look at him and I doubt I am the first to petition or sadly the last, I guess they just want his 9 accounts.
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.12.02 08:09:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Everis
I'm a alt.
I flew to Renyn today and found the following ships at a belt:
Cristym 04Commander
Cristi 01Mineru
munart01
munart02
munart03
munart05
munart06
munart07
All were in apocs except for Cristym 04Commander who was in an Indy mk5. All were in npc corps. Also, note the time I warped in the belt.
[ 2004.11.23 09:26:42 ] (notify) Warping to Renyn X - Asteroid Belt 2
I approached their ships and target locked the indy. A minute later I bumped the ships, but got no response. I then made my own jet can and emptied the contents of their jet can into my own. The munart apocs kept putting ore into the can I was emptying. Since I was in a frigate, I targeted the jet can I made and blew up the ore. I then popped the old can. The indy then warped out. Around this time the mining lasers on all the apocs stopped.
A few minutes later the indy warped back in and munart02 made a new jet can. An apoc dumped some plag into it, I made a new can, took the ore, popped their can, and blew up the ore again. They kept making new jet cans (which I kept popping) despite the fact that all the apocs had stopped mining a while ago. Also, you'd think someone would notice all those rockets exploding right by their ships.
Nine minutes after the first rocket barrage I managed to get a response on local.
[ 2004.11.23 09:39:16 ] Everis > do you macro miners even notice that i blow up your cans?
[ 2004.11.23 09:43:51 ] Cristym 04Commander > he he
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:20 ] Cristym 04Commander > macro miner ? you are macro miner ...lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:28 ] Cristym 04Commander > why do u blow up my cans ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:43 ] Everis > cause you are macromining
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:08 ] Everis > at least your back at the keyboard now
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:22 ] Cristym 04Commander > how can i macro mining if i am here and talk to you ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:33 ] Cristym 04Commander > lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:42 ] Everis > easy, set it up then leave. check on it once in a while. you notice something is wrong so now you talk
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:55 ] Everis > you were macro mining
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:27 ] Cristym 04Commander > no ..i am here all the time ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:47 ] Cristym 04Commander > sorry that i was at the closet 3 minutes ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:55 ] Everis > of course you were
[ 2004.11.23 09:47:04 ] Cristym 04Commander > i think i must be here all the time in order for you to think i am a real person
He then logged off most of his macro accounts.
The instant I said "macro miner" on local ALL the ships started to warp out in different directions at the same time. It must be a programmed response since it took 4 minutes for a response on local. Also notice that it took 17 minutes from when I warped in for a chat response from these guys! Target locking their ships, stealing their ore, and creating a fiery hailstorm of rockets in the middle of their group didn't get a reaction at all!
Would CCP take a fraps video as evidence? If so, then next time I see a macroer I'll fraps it and put it on a server for them to download. I have screenshots of this encounter, but they just don't show the strange behavior as clearly as a captured vid.
If by some chance this person really isn't a macroer, I'd still pop the cans since he's still likely to be selling isk for real money.
I ran into this guy today, I petioned him under exploits, lets just say jack was done about it (he was still mining 8 hours after exploit petioned, just about 10 mins ago he woke up after over 12 hours of mining and started saying he was'nt using macro's ect, yet anyone who saw hi operation could clearly see he was, I even spent 30 mins bumping his ships all over with my shuttle and he did;nt say anything.
CCP don't care about this guy as surely they could have at least sent someone to take a look at him and I doubt I am the first to petition or sadly the last, I guess they just want his 9 accounts.
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Vashy Stampede
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Posted - 2004.12.02 08:21:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Sorja
When mining, every now and then a message pops at random location on your screen with a random sequence of letters.
I don't see why this idea wouldn't work. Randomly popping up screens might hurt the peeps in a micro fight, but peeps who mine (and this action is triggered by peeps who turn on their mining lasers) surely won't be bothered much by this once an hour or something. Especially if it's just a single or double digit they need to type.
This should seriously be considered IMO
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Vashy Stampede
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Posted - 2004.12.02 08:21:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Sorja
When mining, every now and then a message pops at random location on your screen with a random sequence of letters.
I don't see why this idea wouldn't work. Randomly popping up screens might hurt the peeps in a micro fight, but peeps who mine (and this action is triggered by peeps who turn on their mining lasers) surely won't be bothered much by this once an hour or something. Especially if it's just a single or double digit they need to type.
This should seriously be considered IMO
The best things in life aren't things. |
Clericuzio
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Posted - 2004.12.02 09:27:00 -
[253]
Why not make a new branch of ISD which hunts down these macro using people, give them limited powers, (ie. poping the ore cans of macroers, or even concord immuity)
just a thought
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2004.12.08 16:17:56 combat Your AFK at belt stupidity perfectly strikes your wallet wrecking for 10.43 million isk.
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Clericuzio
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Posted - 2004.12.02 09:27:00 -
[254]
Why not make a new branch of ISD which hunts down these macro using people, give them limited powers, (ie. poping the ore cans of macroers, or even concord immuity)
just a thought
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2004.12.08 16:17:56 combat Your AFK at belt stupidity perfectly strikes your wallet wrecking for 10.43 million isk.
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Attiladehun
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Posted - 2004.12.02 12:00:00 -
[255]
Like mentioned above, all ships that are hanging in a belt for like 30minutes need to answer an incomming message, if you don't react in like 5-10minutes. You are flagged, and after a few flags concord shoots you, or the GM's get a message that there are macro miners at that position. That message should pop up random on screen so it cannot be programmed to be accepted by macros.
This should be really easy done, because only miners get this message and people who are present can answer it. But on the side node, i don't hate afk indy miners the ammount they mine while you look at macro miners is very too low. So send only message to people in a belt who isn't in an indy. Therefore this could only work for macro miners who NEED to be present. Wonders if macro miners then still would mine behind theire keyboard.
If they start macro mining behind theire keyboard then there should be another idea to fix this :)
I hate macro miners who mine the whole belt in secure space and let you allone with nothing left.
I hope ccp get a hold on this, because this could ruin new players because they can't mine stuff and then not earn theire money.
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Attiladehun
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Posted - 2004.12.02 12:00:00 -
[256]
Like mentioned above, all ships that are hanging in a belt for like 30minutes need to answer an incomming message, if you don't react in like 5-10minutes. You are flagged, and after a few flags concord shoots you, or the GM's get a message that there are macro miners at that position. That message should pop up random on screen so it cannot be programmed to be accepted by macros.
This should be really easy done, because only miners get this message and people who are present can answer it. But on the side node, i don't hate afk indy miners the ammount they mine while you look at macro miners is very too low. So send only message to people in a belt who isn't in an indy. Therefore this could only work for macro miners who NEED to be present. Wonders if macro miners then still would mine behind theire keyboard.
If they start macro mining behind theire keyboard then there should be another idea to fix this :)
I hate macro miners who mine the whole belt in secure space and let you allone with nothing left.
I hope ccp get a hold on this, because this could ruin new players because they can't mine stuff and then not earn theire money.
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Shayleigh Snowflower
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Posted - 2004.12.02 14:05:00 -
[257]
macro people find solutions to that to..
What we need, are some kind of rat-beacon that can be placed in belts and when anchored and activated, it spawns in 3 warlords and 2 Seraphims that attack any ship bigger than a frig.
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Shayleigh Snowflower
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Posted - 2004.12.02 14:05:00 -
[258]
macro people find solutions to that to..
What we need, are some kind of rat-beacon that can be placed in belts and when anchored and activated, it spawns in 3 warlords and 2 Seraphims that attack any ship bigger than a frig.
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CLONE 9
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Posted - 2004.12.02 19:35:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
Quality ore theft ... nice .. well done for flagging this. I can see people doing this and selling the ISK on EBAY.
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CLONE 9
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Posted - 2004.12.02 19:35:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
lo and behold , my story of the last week playing eve.
cruising along peacefully in yulai a week or so ago ,
i notice a strange trio of shady characters bearing the same
name followed by a number . all created on the same day with
2 minutes interval , all in pator tech school corp .
[enter abaddon107 , abaddon110 , abaddon119]
warping around the belts i located no less the 7 hapeless
miners , seemingly brothers . all created basicly at the
same time and in the same npc school.
[gaisidedaili , meeter , guosetiangxiang , john xu , kissjin
enter the scene]
i bumped them , bumped their haulers , stole their ore ,
poped their ore cans and moved them a bit . nothing .no
reply . no comment . MACRO MINERS :(
petition #1 went in , and GM white could not prove they
were macro-ers . the macro is smart , the minute you get
too close to the can they all stop mining O_o . move away
5km and they all start chipping rocks happily again.
the setup repeats itself thro the story . NPC corp alts
one hauler sitting on the can and one hauler moving around.
GM arkanon enters the scene , and skillfully bans the whole
group! . yippe , 2 days work of following these guys around
pays off . ALAS , arkanon missed one guy , abaddon119 is
still not banned .
a few days later , im still in yulai and behold!
abaddon119 is back.
[cites , recorder , eoirmng enter the scene , abaddon119
makes a comeback]
new group of npc corp members , but they are short
on alts . the cans get left behind and i confiscate 6
indi full of ore without even a blink from the macro-ers.
The GMs are obviously trying to do their best , but
they cannot repair the damage done by these macro users .
this is where you come in . locate these guys , its very
easy :
1)npc corp members sitting in a belt in a large group .
they are usually of same age (in eve)
2)1 hauler sitting on the can
3)1 hauler if avilable traveling back and forth from station.
4)always 1.0 system
5)the minute you will come near they will all stop mining
within 1 cycle . but continue if you move 4-5km away.
steal their ore (yes i know , its lame , but the lesser of
2 evils) . bump them , and petition!
these last few days have changed how i view empire miners
in eve . i feel a sudden urge to go and blow people up coming
Quality ore theft ... nice .. well done for flagging this. I can see people doing this and selling the ISK on EBAY.
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.12.03 16:17:00 -
[261]
Suggestion here - very similar to an idea in an earlier reply, but actually germinated separately in another thread regarding use of test server.
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* I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. *
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.12.03 16:17:00 -
[262]
Suggestion here - very similar to an idea in an earlier reply, but actually germinated separately in another thread regarding use of test server.
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* I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. *
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Rattman
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Posted - 2004.12.03 20:57:00 -
[263]
Little surprised this thread is still open.
Mods have been closing the other threads about this subject.
So IBTL
Rattman
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Rattman
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Posted - 2004.12.03 20:57:00 -
[264]
Little surprised this thread is still open.
Mods have been closing the other threads about this subject.
So IBTL
Rattman
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Antithesis
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Posted - 2004.12.03 21:23:00 -
[265]
There is an even easier solution to Macro Mining, simply not allow anyone in a newbie corp to own a Battleship (or even a cruiser). Then, the real player corps could easily declare war on the Macro Miners (they would have to setup their own corp) and after they lost a few Apocs, would essentially be out of business. This would also go a long way towards providing a risk to go with the reward for ore thiefs.
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Antithesis
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Posted - 2004.12.03 21:23:00 -
[266]
There is an even easier solution to Macro Mining, simply not allow anyone in a newbie corp to own a Battleship (or even a cruiser). Then, the real player corps could easily declare war on the Macro Miners (they would have to setup their own corp) and after they lost a few Apocs, would essentially be out of business. This would also go a long way towards providing a risk to go with the reward for ore thiefs.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.12.03 21:43:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Everis
I'm a alt.
I flew to Renyn today and found the following ships at a belt:
Cristym 04Commander
Cristi 01Mineru
munart01
munart02
munart03
munart05
munart06
munart07
All were in apocs except for Cristym 04Commander who was in an Indy mk5. All were in npc corps. Also, note the time I warped in the belt.
[ 2004.11.23 09:26:42 ] (notify) Warping to Renyn X - Asteroid Belt 2
I approached their ships and target locked the indy. A minute later I bumped the ships, but got no response. I then made my own jet can and emptied the contents of their jet can into my own. The munart apocs kept putting ore into the can I was emptying. Since I was in a frigate, I targeted the jet can I made and blew up the ore. I then popped the old can. The indy then warped out. Around this time the mining lasers on all the apocs stopped.
A few minutes later the indy warped back in and munart02 made a new jet can. An apoc dumped some plag into it, I made a new can, took the ore, popped their can, and blew up the ore again. They kept making new jet cans (which I kept popping) despite the fact that all the apocs had stopped mining a while ago. Also, you'd think someone would notice all those rockets exploding right by their ships.
Nine minutes after the first rocket barrage I managed to get a response on local.
[ 2004.11.23 09:39:16 ] Everis > do you macro miners even notice that i blow up your cans?
[ 2004.11.23 09:43:51 ] Cristym 04Commander > he he
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:20 ] Cristym 04Commander > macro miner ? you are macro miner ...lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:28 ] Cristym 04Commander > why do u blow up my cans ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:43 ] Everis > cause you are macromining
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:08 ] Everis > at least your back at the keyboard now
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:22 ] Cristym 04Commander > how can i macro mining if i am here and talk to you ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:33 ] Cristym 04Commander > lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:42 ] Everis > easy, set it up then leave. check on it once in a while. you notice something is wrong so now you talk
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:55 ] Everis > you were macro mining
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:27 ] Cristym 04Commander > no ..i am here all the time ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:47 ] Cristym 04Commander > sorry that i was at the closet 3 minutes ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:55 ] Everis > of course you were
[ 2004.11.23 09:47:04 ] Cristym 04Commander > i think i must be here all the time in order for you to think i am a real person
He then logged off most of his macro accounts.
The instant I said "macro miner" on local ALL the ships started to warp out in different directions at the same time. It must be a programmed response since it took 4 minutes for a response on local. Also notice that it took 17 minutes from when I warped in for a chat response from these guys! Target locking their ships, stealing their ore, and creating a fiery hailstorm of rockets in the middle of their group didn't get a reaction at all!
Would CCP take a fraps video as evidence? If so, then next time I see a macroer I'll fraps it and put it on a server for them to download. I have screenshots of this encounter, but they just don't show the strange behavior as clearly as a captured vid.
If by some chance this person really isn't a macroer, I'd still pop the cans since he's still likely to be selling isk for real money.
This behavior astounds me. While it makes perfect sense to someone obsessed with ingame possessions, this person is paying $135 US per month to NOT play a game.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.12.03 21:43:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Everis
I'm a alt.
I flew to Renyn today and found the following ships at a belt:
Cristym 04Commander
Cristi 01Mineru
munart01
munart02
munart03
munart05
munart06
munart07
All were in apocs except for Cristym 04Commander who was in an Indy mk5. All were in npc corps. Also, note the time I warped in the belt.
[ 2004.11.23 09:26:42 ] (notify) Warping to Renyn X - Asteroid Belt 2
I approached their ships and target locked the indy. A minute later I bumped the ships, but got no response. I then made my own jet can and emptied the contents of their jet can into my own. The munart apocs kept putting ore into the can I was emptying. Since I was in a frigate, I targeted the jet can I made and blew up the ore. I then popped the old can. The indy then warped out. Around this time the mining lasers on all the apocs stopped.
A few minutes later the indy warped back in and munart02 made a new jet can. An apoc dumped some plag into it, I made a new can, took the ore, popped their can, and blew up the ore again. They kept making new jet cans (which I kept popping) despite the fact that all the apocs had stopped mining a while ago. Also, you'd think someone would notice all those rockets exploding right by their ships.
Nine minutes after the first rocket barrage I managed to get a response on local.
[ 2004.11.23 09:39:16 ] Everis > do you macro miners even notice that i blow up your cans?
[ 2004.11.23 09:43:51 ] Cristym 04Commander > he he
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:20 ] Cristym 04Commander > macro miner ? you are macro miner ...lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:28 ] Cristym 04Commander > why do u blow up my cans ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:44:43 ] Everis > cause you are macromining
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:08 ] Everis > at least your back at the keyboard now
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:22 ] Cristym 04Commander > how can i macro mining if i am here and talk to you ?
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:33 ] Cristym 04Commander > lol
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:42 ] Everis > easy, set it up then leave. check on it once in a while. you notice something is wrong so now you talk
[ 2004.11.23 09:45:55 ] Everis > you were macro mining
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:27 ] Cristym 04Commander > no ..i am here all the time ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:47 ] Cristym 04Commander > sorry that i was at the closet 3 minutes ...
[ 2004.11.23 09:46:55 ] Everis > of course you were
[ 2004.11.23 09:47:04 ] Cristym 04Commander > i think i must be here all the time in order for you to think i am a real person
He then logged off most of his macro accounts.
The instant I said "macro miner" on local ALL the ships started to warp out in different directions at the same time. It must be a programmed response since it took 4 minutes for a response on local. Also notice that it took 17 minutes from when I warped in for a chat response from these guys! Target locking their ships, stealing their ore, and creating a fiery hailstorm of rockets in the middle of their group didn't get a reaction at all!
Would CCP take a fraps video as evidence? If so, then next time I see a macroer I'll fraps it and put it on a server for them to download. I have screenshots of this encounter, but they just don't show the strange behavior as clearly as a captured vid.
If by some chance this person really isn't a macroer, I'd still pop the cans since he's still likely to be selling isk for real money.
This behavior astounds me. While it makes perfect sense to someone obsessed with ingame possessions, this person is paying $135 US per month to NOT play a game.
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Iridescent
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Posted - 2004.12.03 23:06:00 -
[269]
The munart01-->munart24 gang was spotted today, 3th December, in the Algogille
system, strip-mining with apocs and an Iteron V, obviously macro-mining.
Stealed their ore during 30mins, nothing, not even a word.
Needless to say i petitionned them, took some screenshots too.
Get rid of them please. |
Iridescent
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Posted - 2004.12.03 23:06:00 -
[270]
The munart01-->munart24 gang was spotted today, 3th December, in the Algogille
system, strip-mining with apocs and an Iteron V, obviously macro-mining.
Stealed their ore during 30mins, nothing, not even a word.
Needless to say i petitionned them, took some screenshots too.
Get rid of them please. |
Ceti
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Posted - 2004.12.04 00:46:00 -
[271]
Thing I noticed about the Muna Spawns (tm) (if he chooses to respond to people) is that he plays ignorance on whatĘs going on.
Seen many a local chat where he does not know the term strip mining, what is low sec space?, are apocs able to handle them selves? Heavy drones?
He seems to be in a constant state of confusion as to what macro mining is...IĘm confused, please explain? What skills do I need for this? Oh?
For someone who's been able to get this far he surely knows what he's doing.
But sure enough, one moment someone is accusing him of macro mining next there is a friendly tutorial going on about eve with the Muna Spawn Ö catering to a friendly ego.....oh, didn't know that? Really? I'll have to try this low sec space you speak of.
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Ceti
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Posted - 2004.12.04 00:46:00 -
[272]
Thing I noticed about the Muna Spawns (tm) (if he chooses to respond to people) is that he plays ignorance on whatĘs going on.
Seen many a local chat where he does not know the term strip mining, what is low sec space?, are apocs able to handle them selves? Heavy drones?
He seems to be in a constant state of confusion as to what macro mining is...IĘm confused, please explain? What skills do I need for this? Oh?
For someone who's been able to get this far he surely knows what he's doing.
But sure enough, one moment someone is accusing him of macro mining next there is a friendly tutorial going on about eve with the Muna Spawn Ö catering to a friendly ego.....oh, didn't know that? Really? I'll have to try this low sec space you speak of.
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.12.04 01:56:00 -
[273]
Edited by: Darkrydar on 04/12/2004 01:59:39
******* patetic. I wish CCP would make it so we could just declare war against ppl like him. That would shut hium down fast!
If I can find him, I'll gladly take the sec hit and go right in the middle with an armor tanked apoc with 8 lrg smartbombs.
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.12.04 01:56:00 -
[274]
Edited by: Darkrydar on 04/12/2004 01:59:39
******* patetic. I wish CCP would make it so we could just declare war against ppl like him. That would shut hium down fast!
If I can find him, I'll gladly take the sec hit and go right in the middle with an armor tanked apoc with 8 lrg smartbombs.
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Venture
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Posted - 2004.12.04 04:34:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 09/11/2004 22:53:54
Is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practice plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Yes, macro-mining is BAD Because it allows a person to
manipulate game mechanics. Why should he use an ILLEGAL
program to earn ISK while not playing? When hard at work miners
work their A$$ off to make a living in this game. Also if you
have not noticed the macro-miners make enough money selling
their ILLEGAL activity on auction sites not to worry about
the subcription rate that CCP charges. So please, do not non-chalantly
say it is not bad.
______________________
Ganja Unlimited
Security Director/Fleet Admiral
"Smoke everyone and be happy!" |
Venture
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Posted - 2004.12.04 04:34:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 09/11/2004 22:53:54
Is macro mining REALLY that bad??
It's not as if the value of the ore increases by using the program or that you mine more per minute, it just removes the need to strain your wrist by repeating the same mundane movement every few seconds. Even the advantage of mining while you sleep is a fairly weak arguement, I can't see how it unbalances the game that much.
If some fool wants to waste money by creating another account to macro then, so what? it's their money to waste.
If I've missed a point against this practice plz tell me. I'm not a miner so perhaps I'm missing something.
Yes, macro-mining is BAD Because it allows a person to
manipulate game mechanics. Why should he use an ILLEGAL
program to earn ISK while not playing? When hard at work miners
work their A$$ off to make a living in this game. Also if you
have not noticed the macro-miners make enough money selling
their ILLEGAL activity on auction sites not to worry about
the subcription rate that CCP charges. So please, do not non-chalantly
say it is not bad.
______________________
Ganja Unlimited
Security Director/Fleet Admiral
"Smoke everyone and be happy!" |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.04 06:31:00 -
[277]
"This behavior astounds me. While it makes perfect sense to someone obsessed with ingame possessions, this person is paying $135 US per month to NOT play a game."
This person is quite likely paying $135 a month to macro-mine the isk and then sell it for real money exceeding their monthly investment. Nothing to do with being obsessed with game possessions, really...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.04 06:31:00 -
[278]
"This behavior astounds me. While it makes perfect sense to someone obsessed with ingame possessions, this person is paying $135 US per month to NOT play a game."
This person is quite likely paying $135 a month to macro-mine the isk and then sell it for real money exceeding their monthly investment. Nothing to do with being obsessed with game possessions, really...
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.12.04 08:02:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 04/12/2004 08:05:31
Give people incentive to help stamp out this plague.
Let GMS transfer all assets of accounts found macroing to the people that report them before banning them.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.12.04 08:02:00 -
[280]
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 04/12/2004 08:05:31
Give people incentive to help stamp out this plague.
Let GMS transfer all assets of accounts found macroing to the people that report them before banning them.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Elroy Cruise
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Posted - 2004.12.08 01:13:00 -
[281]
Preaching for the devil, but...
In light of CCP supposed inaction against the macroers issue, and the multiple and simple ways to make their life harder, why not use macros to fight back ?
Maually spot a macroer / flock and launch alts newbie ships to jet cans, transfer ore and pop it regularly using macros, possibly using standings to spot macroers and stay close to their cans at any time, in horder to be target-specific in your harrasment.
Not even a suggestion, actually, more like kicking the ball around. ;)
Semi-related, yet worth the read, a short story by Cory Doctorow on farming (republished thanks to the Creative Commons license).
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N.A.G.A Scout, bookie specialist, and diagnosed drone maniac. |
Elroy Cruise
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Posted - 2004.12.08 01:13:00 -
[282]
Preaching for the devil, but...
In light of CCP supposed inaction against the macroers issue, and the multiple and simple ways to make their life harder, why not use macros to fight back ?
Maually spot a macroer / flock and launch alts newbie ships to jet cans, transfer ore and pop it regularly using macros, possibly using standings to spot macroers and stay close to their cans at any time, in horder to be target-specific in your harrasment.
Not even a suggestion, actually, more like kicking the ball around. ;)
Semi-related, yet worth the read, a short story by Cory Doctorow on farming (republished thanks to the Creative Commons license).
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N.A.G.A Scout, bookie specialist, and diagnosed drone maniac. |
Psychopat
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Posted - 2004.12.08 12:03:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
100`s of millions evryday in empire mining ****ty ore?
-=water? Never touch the stuff,fish fock in it=- |
Psychopat
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Posted - 2004.12.08 12:03:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Kitty Claw
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
is macro mining REALLY that bad??
they are mining 24/7 . strip mining 1.0 systems which
should be newbie grounds . making possibly 100's of millions
every day without even being near the computer .
100`s of millions evryday in empire mining ****ty ore?
-=water? Never touch the stuff,fish fock in it=- |
Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.12.08 12:54:00 -
[285]
Just stop people securing cans in space above 0.4 Sec (some systems look a complete ******* mess) and grade systems according to the type of ships that can mine in the area ..
Eg (and this is rough)
1.0 > 8.0 Frigates only (give the noobs a chance)
7.0 > 5.0 Frigates & Cruisers
4.0 > 0.0 Anything Goes (Barges / Battleships etc etc)
Hence if you find a macro miner in a 0.4 or below system then you can smoke his arse.
Just my view as normal
Mongo speaks !!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.12.08 12:54:00 -
[286]
Just stop people securing cans in space above 0.4 Sec (some systems look a complete ******* mess) and grade systems according to the type of ships that can mine in the area ..
Eg (and this is rough)
1.0 > 8.0 Frigates only (give the noobs a chance)
7.0 > 5.0 Frigates & Cruisers
4.0 > 0.0 Anything Goes (Barges / Battleships etc etc)
Hence if you find a macro miner in a 0.4 or below system then you can smoke his arse.
Just my view as normal
Mongo speaks !!
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Rattman
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Posted - 2004.12.08 20:09:00 -
[287]
Looks like all the munart characters have been banned. (about 2 months to late)
All the christyM miners and others are still merily macro mining away
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Rattman
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Posted - 2004.12.08 20:09:00 -
[288]
Looks like all the munart characters have been banned. (about 2 months to late)
All the christyM miners and others are still merily macro mining away
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Domalais
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Posted - 2004.12.09 02:47:00 -
[289]
I have invented a new sport. It is called "bowling for macros."
It's easy. Get yourself a nice, massy ship (Apoc, raven, megathron are best), and a friend in a frig who is good at making bookmarks.
Make bookmarks such that when you warp your BS into the belt, it hits a macroing BS and launches it out of the belt. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Bonus points if you throw the miner all the way out of the belt. Double bonus points if you hit 2 at once.
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.12.09 02:47:00 -
[290]
I have invented a new sport. It is called "bowling for macros."
It's easy. Get yourself a nice, massy ship (Apoc, raven, megathron are best), and a friend in a frig who is good at making bookmarks.
Make bookmarks such that when you warp your BS into the belt, it hits a macroing BS and launches it out of the belt. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Bonus points if you throw the miner all the way out of the belt. Double bonus points if you hit 2 at once.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.09 03:13:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Domalais
I have invented a new sport. It is called "bowling for macros."
It's easy. Get yourself a nice, massy ship (Apoc, raven, megathron are best), and a friend in a frig who is good at making bookmarks.
Make bookmarks such that when you warp your BS into the belt, it hits a macroing BS and launches it out of the belt. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Bonus points if you throw the miner all the way out of the belt. Double bonus points if you hit 2 at once.
I demand movies Can we make this a sporting event?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.09 03:13:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Domalais
I have invented a new sport. It is called "bowling for macros."
It's easy. Get yourself a nice, massy ship (Apoc, raven, megathron are best), and a friend in a frig who is good at making bookmarks.
Make bookmarks such that when you warp your BS into the belt, it hits a macroing BS and launches it out of the belt. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Bonus points if you throw the miner all the way out of the belt. Double bonus points if you hit 2 at once.
I demand movies Can we make this a sporting event?
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Posmart
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Posted - 2004.12.09 03:52:00 -
[293]
Edited by: Posmart on 09/12/2004 03:57:43
Edited by: Posmart on 09/12/2004 03:57:12
Edited by: Posmart on 09/12/2004 03:56:28
I don't see Cristym 04 commander now either
shame it was fun to go bowling when you were bored
I got him in a gang somehow, he accepted and we had a chat. Then I gang warped his 4/5 apocs around the system, I had my own fleet at my command it was cool! If only I could have gone all the way to pf-346
anyone notice any drop in ebay prices since munart gone? and why don't ccp stop supersales.com using the Eve logo and artwork, it's copyright surely?
sorry that should be increase in ebay prices, I suppose
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Posmart
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Posted - 2004.12.09 03:52:00 -
[294]
Edited by: Posmart on 09/12/2004 03:57:43
Edited by: Posmart on 09/12/2004 03:57:12
Edited by: Posmart on 09/12/2004 03:56:28
I don't see Cristym 04 commander now either
shame it was fun to go bowling when you were bored
I got him in a gang somehow, he accepted and we had a chat. Then I gang warped his 4/5 apocs around the system, I had my own fleet at my command it was cool! If only I could have gone all the way to pf-346
anyone notice any drop in ebay prices since munart gone? and why don't ccp stop supersales.com using the Eve logo and artwork, it's copyright surely?
sorry that should be increase in ebay prices, I suppose
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sorilin
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:02:00 -
[295]
lol just make 1 skill pr ore you will mine... this will need specialisation and time to train.... :) then there wont be that many macro lamers.... and a true miner wouldent mind training those nice skillls....... 1 skill pr ore plz.... with maybe a 2% to mine the speciel ore pr cycle :)
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sorilin
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:02:00 -
[296]
lol just make 1 skill pr ore you will mine... this will need specialisation and time to train.... :) then there wont be that many macro lamers.... and a true miner wouldent mind training those nice skillls....... 1 skill pr ore plz.... with maybe a 2% to mine the speciel ore pr cycle :)
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Crias Taylor
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:50:00 -
[297]
Edited by: Crias Taylor on 10/12/2004 15:52:59
Originally by: Sorja
...impossible to scan.
Why do you have to scan when you can just DLL Inject? The best solution would be to steal from the macro miners.
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Crias Taylor
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:50:00 -
[298]
Edited by: Crias Taylor on 10/12/2004 15:52:59
Originally by: Sorja
...impossible to scan.
Why do you have to scan when you can just DLL Inject? The best solution would be to steal from the macro miners.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.12.10 17:24:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Halseth Durn
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 04/12/2004 08:05:31
Give people incentive to help stamp out this plague.
Let GMS transfer all assets of accounts found macroing to the people that report them before banning them.
Not a bad idea... If not the ISK/assets, give em some goooood standings towards concord¤t empire.
Then you'll see me travelling all over the placing convoing random miners
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.12.10 17:24:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Halseth Durn
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 04/12/2004 08:05:31
Give people incentive to help stamp out this plague.
Let GMS transfer all assets of accounts found macroing to the people that report them before banning them.
Not a bad idea... If not the ISK/assets, give em some goooood standings towards concord¤t empire.
Then you'll see me travelling all over the placing convoing random miners
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Lan2
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:51:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Loridin
Edited by: Loridin on 12/11/2004 00:36:25
Name and shame time. The following are who I believe to be macro miners
Abaddon119
Cristi 01Mineru
Cristym 04Commander
Cristiana 02Miner
munart01 to munart16
forgot about hemidall
Hope the hordes of ore thiefs get em
/me start wondering if I will get a warning for this
I've got a petition I filed a week agi that says that some of those people (I had most of those names and a bunch more) "Have been delt with" from a GM. :)
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Lan2
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:51:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Loridin
Edited by: Loridin on 12/11/2004 00:36:25
Name and shame time. The following are who I believe to be macro miners
Abaddon119
Cristi 01Mineru
Cristym 04Commander
Cristiana 02Miner
munart01 to munart16
forgot about hemidall
Hope the hordes of ore thiefs get em
/me start wondering if I will get a warning for this
I've got a petition I filed a week agi that says that some of those people (I had most of those names and a bunch more) "Have been delt with" from a GM. :)
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Vuclatond
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Posted - 2004.12.10 20:37:00 -
[303]
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the CN are upon us, along with thier allies IGE! I think i will become a pirate to help fight this menace then, there not going to ruin this game for me, like L2
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Vuclatond
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Posted - 2004.12.10 20:37:00 -
[304]
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the CN are upon us, along with thier allies IGE! I think i will become a pirate to help fight this menace then, there not going to ruin this game for me, like L2
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Kadarin
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Posted - 2004.12.11 02:35:00 -
[305]
Damn, they banned munart? And here I was getting ready to plan a full-scale ore-theft hauling op...
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Kadarin
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Posted - 2004.12.11 02:35:00 -
[306]
Damn, they banned munart? And here I was getting ready to plan a full-scale ore-theft hauling op...
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2004.12.12 00:43:00 -
[307]
Make it an event of hunting macroers! A price of X ISK / successful petition with a growing bonus every 5(/X) bans. And a special prize for the one to score most in a month! Will give bored people something fun to do and help us all at the same time.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2004.12.12 00:43:00 -
[308]
Make it an event of hunting macroers! A price of X ISK / successful petition with a growing bonus every 5(/X) bans. And a special prize for the one to score most in a month! Will give bored people something fun to do and help us all at the same time.
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Rattman
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Posted - 2004.12.12 01:51:00 -
[309]
Edited by: Rattman on 12/12/2004 01:54:14
Originally by: Kadarin
Damn, they banned munart? And here I was getting ready to plan a full-scale ore-theft hauling op...
Wouldn't have mattered anyway !
Why you ask ?
Well due to the excellent work of everyone stealing off him, he couldn't jet can mine.
SO in the end he had to fit the apocs with cargo expanders and fly back to the station and dump it, theyn fly out and mine a full cargo load and so one.
This was a REALLY obvious macro mining operation. So obvious that CCP had to ban him for it. Of course only the munarts appear to be banned the others like Abaddon119, Cristi 01Mineru, Cristym 04Commander and Cristiana 02Miner who were not involved in this op have not been banned
As to rewards, if the munarts have been effectively perminately banned (ie 12 months or greater). I think the BS that were used in this (at least 10 apocs) should be lotteried off or something or given as event prises or something.
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Rattman
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Posted - 2004.12.12 01:51:00 -
[310]
Edited by: Rattman on 12/12/2004 01:54:14
Originally by: Kadarin
Damn, they banned munart? And here I was getting ready to plan a full-scale ore-theft hauling op...
Wouldn't have mattered anyway !
Why you ask ?
Well due to the excellent work of everyone stealing off him, he couldn't jet can mine.
SO in the end he had to fit the apocs with cargo expanders and fly back to the station and dump it, theyn fly out and mine a full cargo load and so one.
This was a REALLY obvious macro mining operation. So obvious that CCP had to ban him for it. Of course only the munarts appear to be banned the others like Abaddon119, Cristi 01Mineru, Cristym 04Commander and Cristiana 02Miner who were not involved in this op have not been banned
As to rewards, if the munarts have been effectively perminately banned (ie 12 months or greater). I think the BS that were used in this (at least 10 apocs) should be lotteried off or something or given as event prises or something.
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
severed
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Posted - 2004.12.13 20:10:00 -
[311]
Edited by: severed on 13/12/2004 20:18:00
Good to hear some have been banned, but they will be back under more inventive names if something is not done...
It cannot be left up to petitioning because it also happens in 0.0 alliance space and they would never turn in their alliance pals.
Originally by: Lyah Moonshade
How about a tweak window where you have to finetune the mining laser to get the optimal yield? This could be a simple slider that has to be adjusted every x time to a certain value. Lack of finetuning would result in much lower yields.
Originally by: Sorja
I think there's a solution to this problem, would it be macro mining in 1.0 or 0.0
When mining, every now and then a message pops at random location on your screen with a random sequence of letters. The text can't be read by onscreen scanning since it's displayed in random colors, random positions and on random background making it impossible to scan.
If you don't type the displayed text correctly and in timely fashion in the private convo that opens, you get a mark on your account. Get ten marks and you get banned. A mark wears off every day.
That will get ridd of 1.0 macroers as well as multi-account macroers who won't be able to monitor multiple screens.
If you are engaged in a fight or being afk for some minutes, it's not a concern since you need repeated marks to get banned.
Combine these two ideas, (mark should wear once a week) and we have a solution, or maybe even better, let every mining laser require manual "finetuning", if one gets too far off the scale, you simply get logged off. If the macro can be programmed to finetune as well, at random times during mining, pop-up window with the "coded message: enter response"
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. |
severed
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Posted - 2004.12.13 20:10:00 -
[312]
Edited by: severed on 13/12/2004 20:18:00
Good to hear some have been banned, but they will be back under more inventive names if something is not done...
It cannot be left up to petitioning because it also happens in 0.0 alliance space and they would never turn in their alliance pals.
Originally by: Lyah Moonshade
How about a tweak window where you have to finetune the mining laser to get the optimal yield? This could be a simple slider that has to be adjusted every x time to a certain value. Lack of finetuning would result in much lower yields.
Originally by: Sorja
I think there's a solution to this problem, would it be macro mining in 1.0 or 0.0
When mining, every now and then a message pops at random location on your screen with a random sequence of letters. The text can't be read by onscreen scanning since it's displayed in random colors, random positions and on random background making it impossible to scan.
If you don't type the displayed text correctly and in timely fashion in the private convo that opens, you get a mark on your account. Get ten marks and you get banned. A mark wears off every day.
That will get ridd of 1.0 macroers as well as multi-account macroers who won't be able to monitor multiple screens.
If you are engaged in a fight or being afk for some minutes, it's not a concern since you need repeated marks to get banned.
Combine these two ideas, (mark should wear once a week) and we have a solution, or maybe even better, let every mining laser require manual "finetuning", if one gets too far off the scale, you simply get logged off. If the macro can be programmed to finetune as well, at random times during mining, pop-up window with the "coded message: enter response"
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. |
Mike Turocut
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Posted - 2004.12.13 23:03:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Mike Turocut on 13/12/2004 23:05:42
This is a rather simple problem, we had it solved in D2 way back when I used to play that. Of course, Blizz never gave a rats ass about the game, so it was never implemented, but even the good sirs of Blizzhackers admitted it would be overly difficult to get around. Of course, I have to change it a little to allow for them being different games and all but...
Why not have Mining Liscenses? Basically, it's a free thing that is attached to your CD key, not your account or specific character, and every once in a while, in ALL space(meaning 0.0 all the way up to 1.0), a small little Frigate sized Concord vessel warps around a system's belts and asks anyone with a Mining Laser active to activate their ML, which then generates a random string of numbers, sufficiently masked(ala Hotmail), that the person then has a certain amount of time to input and return to the Concord frigate, otherwise it launches a special "Government only" missile that is capable of blowing pretty much anything up.
Hell, the Concord frigate could be created from thin air at that specific time, anyway, so it won't cause any lag on the system by having to support countless frigates to patrol each system.
Also, I think contacting Ebay and informing them not to allow Isk sales would be a good thing.
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Mike Turocut
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Posted - 2004.12.13 23:03:00 -
[314]
Edited by: Mike Turocut on 13/12/2004 23:05:42
This is a rather simple problem, we had it solved in D2 way back when I used to play that. Of course, Blizz never gave a rats ass about the game, so it was never implemented, but even the good sirs of Blizzhackers admitted it would be overly difficult to get around. Of course, I have to change it a little to allow for them being different games and all but...
Why not have Mining Liscenses? Basically, it's a free thing that is attached to your CD key, not your account or specific character, and every once in a while, in ALL space(meaning 0.0 all the way up to 1.0), a small little Frigate sized Concord vessel warps around a system's belts and asks anyone with a Mining Laser active to activate their ML, which then generates a random string of numbers, sufficiently masked(ala Hotmail), that the person then has a certain amount of time to input and return to the Concord frigate, otherwise it launches a special "Government only" missile that is capable of blowing pretty much anything up.
Hell, the Concord frigate could be created from thin air at that specific time, anyway, so it won't cause any lag on the system by having to support countless frigates to patrol each system.
Also, I think contacting Ebay and informing them not to allow Isk sales would be a good thing.
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Everis
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:21:00 -
[315]
Yay! We got rid of the munarts.
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Everis
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:21:00 -
[316]
Yay! We got rid of the munarts.
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Frensezz
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Posted - 2004.12.15 07:27:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Mike Turocut
Edited by: Mike Turocut on 13/12/2004 23:05:42
This is a rather simple problem, we had it solved in D2 way back when I used to play that. Of course, Blizz never gave a rats ass about the game, so it was never implemented, but even the good sirs of Blizzhackers admitted it would be overly difficult to get around. Of course, I have to change it a little to allow for them being different games and all but...
Why not have Mining Liscenses? Basically, it's a free thing that is attached to your CD key, not your account or specific character, and every once in a while, in ALL space(meaning 0.0 all the way up to 1.0), a small little Frigate sized Concord vessel warps around a system's belts and asks anyone with a Mining Laser active to activate their ML, which then generates a random string of numbers, sufficiently masked(ala Hotmail), that the person then has a certain amount of time to input and return to the Concord frigate, otherwise it launches a special "Government only" missile that is capable of blowing pretty much anything up.
Hell, the Concord frigate could be created from thin air at that specific time, anyway, so it won't cause any lag on the system by having to support countless frigates to patrol each system.
Also, I think contacting Ebay and informing them not to allow Isk sales would be a good thing.
This could be a good idea, but I see 1 bug in this...
When I mine, I sometimes forget that im mining with 3 accounts, course im multitasking, and if I have to type in 3 codes in 3 messages and move ore at the same time, I would be pist off, when its my turn...
But it's my own fault... But cool Idea though...
But if U could make it a random question ???? something simple to reply on, not something that U would have to find on www.google.com
That could be the thing we would need to end macrominers.. ?? what do U think of that ??
A.U.C. |
Frensezz
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Posted - 2004.12.15 07:27:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Mike Turocut
Edited by: Mike Turocut on 13/12/2004 23:05:42
This is a rather simple problem, we had it solved in D2 way back when I used to play that. Of course, Blizz never gave a rats ass about the game, so it was never implemented, but even the good sirs of Blizzhackers admitted it would be overly difficult to get around. Of course, I have to change it a little to allow for them being different games and all but...
Why not have Mining Liscenses? Basically, it's a free thing that is attached to your CD key, not your account or specific character, and every once in a while, in ALL space(meaning 0.0 all the way up to 1.0), a small little Frigate sized Concord vessel warps around a system's belts and asks anyone with a Mining Laser active to activate their ML, which then generates a random string of numbers, sufficiently masked(ala Hotmail), that the person then has a certain amount of time to input and return to the Concord frigate, otherwise it launches a special "Government only" missile that is capable of blowing pretty much anything up.
Hell, the Concord frigate could be created from thin air at that specific time, anyway, so it won't cause any lag on the system by having to support countless frigates to patrol each system.
Also, I think contacting Ebay and informing them not to allow Isk sales would be a good thing.
This could be a good idea, but I see 1 bug in this...
When I mine, I sometimes forget that im mining with 3 accounts, course im multitasking, and if I have to type in 3 codes in 3 messages and move ore at the same time, I would be pist off, when its my turn...
But it's my own fault... But cool Idea though...
But if U could make it a random question ???? something simple to reply on, not something that U would have to find on www.google.com
That could be the thing we would need to end macrominers.. ?? what do U think of that ??
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2004.12.15 09:45:00 -
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could we get a offical statement on whether using macros while NOT beeing afk is allowed or not? so i.e. if i sti in front of my computer playing eve windowed watching tv in another window, is it legal to use a dragndrop macro?
dunno much about this but i often forget to drag the ore, but hey happens more often that i forget to turn on hardeners/reps while npcing (which i prefer a lot...)
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2004.12.15 09:45:00 -
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could we get a offical statement on whether using macros while NOT beeing afk is allowed or not? so i.e. if i sti in front of my computer playing eve windowed watching tv in another window, is it legal to use a dragndrop macro?
dunno much about this but i often forget to drag the ore, but hey happens more often that i forget to turn on hardeners/reps while npcing (which i prefer a lot...)
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:41:44
Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:40:03
The EULA says no macros at all. NONE.
From the rules of conduct here
You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers nor will you try to create or use any kinds of third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
How ******* hard is it to understand?
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:41:44
Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:40:03
The EULA says no macros at all. NONE.
From the rules of conduct here
You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers nor will you try to create or use any kinds of third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
How ******* hard is it to understand?
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Kythanis
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:41:44
Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:40:03
The EULA says no macros at all. NONE.
From the rules of conduct here
You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers nor will you try to create or use any kinds of third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
How ******* hard is it to understand?
Well, obviously some ppl think they can circumvent the rules, or ignore them outright. Those that get caught get banned, those that dont continue til they do get caught.
Another question should be how many ppl have actually "read" the eula??
macro mining isnt the only thing that will get you baned, sanctioned by ccp.
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:41:44
Edited by: Ryctor on 15/12/2004 10:40:03
The EULA says no macros at all. NONE.
From the rules of conduct here
You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers nor will you try to create or use any kinds of third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
How ******* hard is it to understand?
Well, obviously some ppl think they can circumvent the rules, or ignore them outright. Those that get caught get banned, those that dont continue til they do get caught.
Another question should be how many ppl have actually "read" the eula??
macro mining isnt the only thing that will get you baned, sanctioned by ccp.
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Ithilgore
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:11:00 -
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This matter should be taken extremely seriously..
Extremely
The macrominers has ruined other games.. They appear in bigger numbers unless something is done asap!
I know this, i have played another game while taking a break from Eve.. And ill be mad if my favorite mmorpg is runined by people running macroes.
<3 Eve
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Ithilgore
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:11:00 -
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This matter should be taken extremely seriously..
Extremely
The macrominers has ruined other games.. They appear in bigger numbers unless something is done asap!
I know this, i have played another game while taking a break from Eve.. And ill be mad if my favorite mmorpg is runined by people running macroes.
<3 Eve
-Ith
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