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Daktor
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Posted - 2004.11.12 18:10:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Aegis Osiris
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 12/11/2004 17:17:53
One way to do it would be to make an option for a 'personal war', or registered vendetta.
This would be abused as every pirate would be declaring on everyone they could find, just for the free kills.
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Daktor
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Posted - 2004.11.12 18:10:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 12/11/2004 17:17:53
One way to do it would be to make an option for a 'personal war', or registered vendetta.
This would be abused as every pirate would be declaring on everyone they could find, just for the free kills.
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Tisti
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:09:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Heinky
http://www.mysupersales.com/ ???
This cant be legal can it ?
But since nothing has been done yet about sites like this i guess not eyy
WTF!!!! 270 DOLLARS FOR 400 MIL ISK :| Thats a lot of real money there... sweet mother of god..
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Tisti
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:09:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Heinky
http://www.mysupersales.com/ ???
This cant be legal can it ?
But since nothing has been done yet about sites like this i guess not eyy
WTF!!!! 270 DOLLARS FOR 400 MIL ISK :| Thats a lot of real money there... sweet mother of god..
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:28:00 -
[155]
Hence the limited timer. If it only lasts 30 or 60 minutes before you need to resubmit it, pirates would get bored quickly. The evemail you would recieve as soon as its registered would give you warning to get clear, and you could institute a 10 or 15 minute start timer to give extra time to get out or get ready.
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:28:00 -
[156]
Hence the limited timer. If it only lasts 30 or 60 minutes before you need to resubmit it, pirates would get bored quickly. The evemail you would recieve as soon as its registered would give you warning to get clear, and you could institute a 10 or 15 minute start timer to give extra time to get out or get ready.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:48:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Iachrites Archveult
Well... anyone managing to macromine mega is a veritable macro-genius.
Iac
Not really, could make one to mine 0.0 inside an hour for you.
It's all about the AI being predictable and how you setup your UI elements.
It's not that difficult at all. I still wont do it, cause macroing sucks.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:48:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Iachrites Archveult
Well... anyone managing to macromine mega is a veritable macro-genius.
Iac
Not really, could make one to mine 0.0 inside an hour for you.
It's all about the AI being predictable and how you setup your UI elements.
It's not that difficult at all. I still wont do it, cause macroing sucks.
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Supay
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Posted - 2004.11.17 00:32:00 -
[159]
While shuttling back and forth I happened to check local and notice the Abaddon gang there. The system was Lustrevik, go and have fun if they're still macroing.
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Supay
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Posted - 2004.11.17 00:32:00 -
[160]
While shuttling back and forth I happened to check local and notice the Abaddon gang there. The system was Lustrevik, go and have fun if they're still macroing.
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Tgaru
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Posted - 2004.11.17 01:14:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 21:08:13
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 01:18:52
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Remember most people paying for 6 8 12 accounts to macro are business ventures who don't care about EVE, don't really even play EVE. 
Hi there. I play and pay for multiple accounts. I do not macro. Thus, I will make one request of you and other tools such as yourself:
mine me, k?
Seems fair given that you prejudge an entire group. At least you can do is service them :)
Actually, on a more serious note, if you really want to stop them.....steal their ore like the level headed people here have suggested. '..'
edited by Eris Discordia
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Tgaru
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Posted - 2004.11.17 01:14:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 21:08:13
Edited by: Tgaru on 17/11/2004 01:18:52
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Remember most people paying for 6 8 12 accounts to macro are business ventures who don't care about EVE, don't really even play EVE.
Hi there. I play and pay for multiple accounts. I do not macro. Thus, I will make one request of you and other tools such as yourself:
mine me, k?
Seems fair given that you prejudge an entire group. At least you can do is service them :)
Actually, on a more serious note, if you really want to stop them.....steal their ore like the level headed people here have suggested. '..'
edited by Eris Discordia
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Lomarticus
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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:40:00 -
[163]
I like the idea of catching abusers, but what about the gits that are nicking from ATK (At the keyboard) miners with only 1 account. We mine to a can, go back for our indie and thats it. Unfortunately, after HOURS of drag-drop activity, along comes a plonker and swipes from under our noses, even though we lock on, bump, challenge them, send them a message etc. ie there is NO WAYYYY we are not at the keyboard.
I believe that THESE gits are what is ruining things. I lost my Osprey, fully kitted out for mining coz I lost my temper and shot at him and I got whacked by Concord. (Where are the cops when YOU need them???).
If you are going to make things fair, LET US SHOOT BACK AT THIEVES. MAKE IT DANGEROUS EVEN IN 1.0 SPACE for them.
THEN you'll know our ships are inhabited while you're picking splinters out of your butts.
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Lomarticus
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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:40:00 -
[164]
I like the idea of catching abusers, but what about the gits that are nicking from ATK (At the keyboard) miners with only 1 account. We mine to a can, go back for our indie and thats it. Unfortunately, after HOURS of drag-drop activity, along comes a plonker and swipes from under our noses, even though we lock on, bump, challenge them, send them a message etc. ie there is NO WAYYYY we are not at the keyboard.
I believe that THESE gits are what is ruining things. I lost my Osprey, fully kitted out for mining coz I lost my temper and shot at him and I got whacked by Concord. (Where are the cops when YOU need them???).
If you are going to make things fair, LET US SHOOT BACK AT THIEVES. MAKE IT DANGEROUS EVEN IN 1.0 SPACE for them.
THEN you'll know our ships are inhabited while you're picking splinters out of your butts.
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Sigarni
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:00:00 -
[165]
Originally by: F'nog
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
I find it a strange co-incidence that Russia is also close to China, maybe they are sharing macro's with other.
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Sigarni
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:00:00 -
[166]
Originally by: F'nog
I find it interesting that so many of the macroers names are Chinese, considering the well known Chinese macroers in Lineage. I'm not saying they really are Chinese, but it makes one wonder...
I find it a strange co-incidence that Russia is also close to China, maybe they are sharing macro's with other.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:10:00 -
[167]
Scary that a lot of people dont feel bad for using a macro in EVE. Maybe they have to understand this: a macro is a cheat! Even if a player uses a simple drag&drop-macro it is a cheat because a normal plyer would be very tired after 2 hours mining and would stop it. The macrominer can go mining for 23h/day and wont get tired of it. Later macrominer and normal player fight each other in pvp. Macrominer has 6 Arbalest siege while normal player has only 6 standard siege lauchers ==> macro is a cheat! Cheaters never get happy in a game and sooner or later they feel bad and quit. But before they quit they make other players quit that are anoyed by this cheating.
CCP should make a shame list for players that used exploits and cheats! Best way to get rid of those guys is the shame they load upon themselves.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.11.17 11:10:00 -
[168]
Scary that a lot of people dont feel bad for using a macro in EVE. Maybe they have to understand this: a macro is a cheat! Even if a player uses a simple drag&drop-macro it is a cheat because a normal plyer would be very tired after 2 hours mining and would stop it. The macrominer can go mining for 23h/day and wont get tired of it. Later macrominer and normal player fight each other in pvp. Macrominer has 6 Arbalest siege while normal player has only 6 standard siege lauchers ==> macro is a cheat! Cheaters never get happy in a game and sooner or later they feel bad and quit. But before they quit they make other players quit that are anoyed by this cheating.
CCP should make a shame list for players that used exploits and cheats! Best way to get rid of those guys is the shame they load upon themselves.
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Max Dicca
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:21:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Max Dicca on 17/11/2004 12:24:38
We know that CCP are trying to put a stop to macro mining, but as fast as they stomp one account the people doing this just open another.
But us as the player base should rally together and help too.
Can CCP put up a list of names on the in-game browser of known Macro miners
Then as soon as any player discovers a macro mining opperation they put out a call to all other Eve players in the area and we simply flood then with ships lining up to help empty their cans untill a GM can turn up to both get rid of the ships, and of course to empty any station hold of any ore stored there.
We the player base can do a hell of a lot to help with this problem and at the end of the day, the serious macroers, the ones who are in it to make real money will soon wander off once their 'raw material' dries up.
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
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Max Dicca
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:21:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Max Dicca on 17/11/2004 12:24:38
We know that CCP are trying to put a stop to macro mining, but as fast as they stomp one account the people doing this just open another.
But us as the player base should rally together and help too.
Can CCP put up a list of names on the in-game browser of known Macro miners
Then as soon as any player discovers a macro mining opperation they put out a call to all other Eve players in the area and we simply flood then with ships lining up to help empty their cans untill a GM can turn up to both get rid of the ships, and of course to empty any station hold of any ore stored there.
We the player base can do a hell of a lot to help with this problem and at the end of the day, the serious macroers, the ones who are in it to make real money will soon wander off once their 'raw material' dries up.
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:24:00 -
[171]
GM's are really busy with macorminers and they will get to any one of them in the end.
If you think some pirates are obsessed with pvp, it is nothing compared to some of the GM's and the war on macro's
Just rememeber to petition them first, and then steal their ore otherwise you are at risk of benefitting from the exploit and may be warned/banned yourself.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:24:00 -
[172]
GM's are really busy with macorminers and they will get to any one of them in the end.
If you think some pirates are obsessed with pvp, it is nothing compared to some of the GM's and the war on macro's
Just rememeber to petition them first, and then steal their ore otherwise you are at risk of benefitting from the exploit and may be warned/banned yourself.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:27:00 -
[173]
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
Make screenshoots of you pushing them away and their lasers fturning off and the ship does idles there, or anything that shows that a macro us being used. Petition them and add a link to all the screenshoots you toke and uploaded.
This may speed up an investigation and the GM's will appreciate your effort in trying to help them.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.17 12:27:00 -
[174]
We all often ***** about CCP and what they implement in Eve, but this is one occasion when we all need to say "CCP we're a 100% behind you on this. What can we do to help?"
Make screenshoots of you pushing them away and their lasers fturning off and the ship does idles there, or anything that shows that a macro us being used. Petition them and add a link to all the screenshoots you toke and uploaded.
This may speed up an investigation and the GM's will appreciate your effort in trying to help them.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:06:00 -
[175]
I was under the impresion the eula said that marcos are allowed so long as they do not make you mine faster than you usually can? If this is the case if a person has 10 accounts and is mining with these 10 accounts at the usual speed of the ship isnt this in agreement with the eula? If ccp do not agree with macros there are numerous ways to stop the actions being taken. What i do not think has been mentioned is what the miners are doing with the minerals.... selling them and selling the isk on ebay at ú40 per $100m isk. There are hundreds of these on ebay and you dont have to be stupid to guss where they come from! If CCP wanted to stop people selling the isk and thus stop the need to mine huge amounts to sell on, they should contact ebay as other online games have done. I think i am able to provide ccp with the contact details should they not be able to find them! |
Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:06:00 -
[176]
I was under the impresion the eula said that marcos are allowed so long as they do not make you mine faster than you usually can? If this is the case if a person has 10 accounts and is mining with these 10 accounts at the usual speed of the ship isnt this in agreement with the eula? If ccp do not agree with macros there are numerous ways to stop the actions being taken. What i do not think has been mentioned is what the miners are doing with the minerals.... selling them and selling the isk on ebay at ú40 per $100m isk. There are hundreds of these on ebay and you dont have to be stupid to guss where they come from! If CCP wanted to stop people selling the isk and thus stop the need to mine huge amounts to sell on, they should contact ebay as other online games have done. I think i am able to provide ccp with the contact details should they not be able to find them! |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:56:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:01:54
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 13:59:26
yesterday i logged on , and saw alot off my usuall macrominer
list are online . using a location agent i tracked them to
luminaire. i grabbed an indi and went belt scouting and sure
enough i found 5 of them in the belts there.
first thing i petitioned , and then zoomed to the cans.
i managed to grab 2 cans , with no response , until i just
sat there continuely poping their cans .
they LOCKED me ,but nothing happens . next thing the whole
gang starts warping to other belts and creating cans with
1 veld in it . all this time they never convo me or talk
in local .
the macros are just getting smarter , to the point there
are 2 macro-indis , one always sitting on the can incase an
ore thief shows up . im guessing the programmer coded specific
names for special reactions (like locking) . one time a megathron locked me and launched a missile at me in yulai.
(guess an f1-f8 macro when you have a missile launcher in high
isnt a good idea in 1.0 ;) )
after being killed by concord the pod of that player stayed in the belt for over an hour until he warped out.
i concluded that the macro operator is in local , and keeps
an eye every now and then on whats happening . it would be
extremly hard for a GM to decide this op is a macro short
of demanding a reply on local or creating a situation that
will break the macro ability to react and start acting way
too weird .
these macros are adapted by their creators , and the GM
methods to find them dont . im afraid the GMs are bound to
lose this fight unless something is done to root out the
possibility of macromining altogether .
kitty : 0
robot army : 1
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 13:56:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:01:54
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 13:59:26
yesterday i logged on , and saw alot off my usuall macrominer
list are online . using a location agent i tracked them to
luminaire. i grabbed an indi and went belt scouting and sure
enough i found 5 of them in the belts there.
first thing i petitioned , and then zoomed to the cans.
i managed to grab 2 cans , with no response , until i just
sat there continuely poping their cans .
they LOCKED me ,but nothing happens . next thing the whole
gang starts warping to other belts and creating cans with
1 veld in it . all this time they never convo me or talk
in local .
the macros are just getting smarter , to the point there
are 2 macro-indis , one always sitting on the can incase an
ore thief shows up . im guessing the programmer coded specific
names for special reactions (like locking) . one time a megathron locked me and launched a missile at me in yulai.
(guess an f1-f8 macro when you have a missile launcher in high
isnt a good idea in 1.0 ;) )
after being killed by concord the pod of that player stayed in the belt for over an hour until he warped out.
i concluded that the macro operator is in local , and keeps
an eye every now and then on whats happening . it would be
extremly hard for a GM to decide this op is a macro short
of demanding a reply on local or creating a situation that
will break the macro ability to react and start acting way
too weird .
these macros are adapted by their creators , and the GM
methods to find them dont . im afraid the GMs are bound to
lose this fight unless something is done to root out the
possibility of macromining altogether .
kitty : 0
robot army : 1
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 14:06:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:09:39
i think the GMs arent aware enough of the extent of the
problem , every single day the same gang of people are macroing
belts in 1.0 systems to extinction . ive witnessed
a sort of evolution in the macros used and an increased
number of alts to compensate for tempbans which i caused
by petitioning .
i have 24 macrominers on my buddylist . enough said.
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Meow |
Kitty Claw
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Posted - 2004.11.17 14:06:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Kitty Claw on 17/11/2004 14:09:39
i think the GMs arent aware enough of the extent of the
problem , every single day the same gang of people are macroing
belts in 1.0 systems to extinction . ive witnessed
a sort of evolution in the macros used and an increased
number of alts to compensate for tempbans which i caused
by petitioning .
i have 24 macrominers on my buddylist . enough said.
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Meow |
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