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reaction image	Posted - 2009.12.01 22:23:00 - [1] With the new arty alpha boost how long do you think it will take before the major trade hub undocks are full with them? i just did a little EFT warrioring and you can get a whooping 10k alpha
Eisonar	Posted - 2009.12.01 22:35:00 - [2] Won't concord kill you?
Tau Dades Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.01 22:38:00 - [3] confirming: Concord has NEVER killed anyone for ganking in Jita
Eisonar	Posted - 2009.12.01 22:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Tau Dades confirming: Concord has NEVER killed anyone for ganking in Jita Ok, just checking.
Sumach Merge	Posted - 2009.12.01 23:10:00 - [5] Did Concord died?
Drakan290	Posted - 2009.12.01 23:11:00 - [6] Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns?
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.01 23:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? Play him out keyboard cat... Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.02 05:47:00 - [8] i bet beppothegreat will be there!.. still (btw, he gets really emo if you kill him before he can kill his target)
Jared D'Uroth Minmatar Universal Peace Operation	Posted - 2009.12.02 07:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? Play him out keyboard cat... === Quote: I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise. Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.
Arrunca Minmatar Multinational Warfare Mobility Command United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.12.02 08:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? I would with minmatar battleship L5 as the 25% damage bonus would cancel out the extra damage from 2 more guns... And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise.

Mordred McKenna Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.12.02 08:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Arrunca Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? I would with minmatar battleship L5 as the 25% damage bonus would cancel out the extra damage from 2 more guns... And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. So, what you're telling me is that ONLY battleship pilots with Matari BS 5 will be able to make use of the Tempest, otherwise the Maelstrom does more DPS/Alpha?
Minmatar citizen4561451	Posted - 2009.12.02 08:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Arrunca And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. right because when you have a chance of making some serious bank, the marginal isk loss on a BS hull makes a difference, right?
Sir Carnage	Posted - 2009.12.02 09:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451 Originally by: Arrunca And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. right because when you have a chance of making some serious bank, the marginal isk loss on a BS hull makes a difference, right? The extra dps and the isk difference do make a difference. Why pay for more turrets and a L3 BS when it's not just unnecessary, but takes longer to get the job done? How fast you accomplish your goal matters, too. Quote: A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.12.02 09:10:00 - [14] all tempests go to heaven
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:09:00 - [15] Originally by: reaction image With the new arty alpha boost how long do you think it will take before the major trade hub undocks are full with them? i just did a little EFT warrioring and you can get a whooping 10k alpha Your numbers are way off, its possible to get 15k alpha using a machariel or maelstrom, havent checked a tempest yet. Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist
Doktor Feeelgoood	Posted - 2009.12.02 10:54:00 - [16] sigh. Guess it's time to train minnie after all..
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:03:00 - [17] My main just finished Amarr Battleship V. Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
millesoli	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:04:00 - [18] Edited by: millesoli on 02/12/2009 11:04:55 Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: reaction image With the new arty alpha boost how long do you think it will take before the major trade hub undocks are full with them? i just did a little EFT warrioring and you can get a whooping 10k alpha Your numbers are way off, its possible to get 15k alpha using a machariel or maelstrom, havent checked a tempest yet. the tempest is more cost effective, it only has 6 turrets but it gets a damage bonus rather than a ROF bonus. the mael might as well have unbonused guns. the ROF bonus is useless really because your going to want to alpha the target. ROF doesnt matter then its somewhere around 30 s . if yo plan it right you can alpha ships with concord sitting right next to them because its only the first shot that counts, you get slightly less DPS witht the tempest, but much better alpha also, use hail if tracking isnt an issue. or domination(better alpha than RF)
Simon Mickey	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Roastedpot i bet beppothegreat will be there!.. still (btw, he gets really emo if you kill him before he can kill his target) lololololololol I fondly remember ransoming his drones <3
Sumach Merge	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:32:00 - [20] ITT: People fail at maths. Maelstrom does more turret alpha than the Tempest despite not having a damage bonus 8x1 = 8 effective turrets. 6x1.25 = 7.5 effective turrets. Although I guess you get two unbonused siege launchers on the Tempest, if thats what you meant.

Canaga	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Mordred McKenna Originally by: Arrunca Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? I would with minmatar battleship L5 as the 25% damage bonus would cancel out the extra damage from 2 more guns... And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. So, what you're telling me is that ONLY battleship pilots with Matari BS 5 will be able to make use of the Tempest, otherwise the Maelstrom does more DPS/Alpha? Yes
Arrunca Minmatar Multinational Warfare Mobility Command United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Sumach Merge ITT: People fail at maths. Maelstrom does more turret alpha than the Tempest despite not having a damage bonus 8x1 = 8 effective turrets. 6x1.25 = 7.5 effective turrets. Although I guess you get two unbonused siege launchers on the Tempest, if thats what you meant. Yeah, but I would assume people would have already guessed you can use the last 2 slots for other fun stuff.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Canaga Originally by: Mordred McKenna Originally by: Arrunca Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? I would with minmatar battleship L5 as the 25% damage bonus would cancel out the extra damage from 2 more guns... And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. So, what you're telling me is that ONLY battleship pilots with Matari BS 5 will be able to make use of the Tempest, otherwise the Maelstrom does more DPS/Alpha? Yes Because of course people that can't pilot a Tempest with Matari BS V can obviously use a Maelstrom with Lev 5 stats. Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
TimMc Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.02 11:56:00 - [24] Fist off, concord will pop you. And what could you pop? A t1 industrial? Second, Jita 4-4 is instaundock to the moon (or planet, cannot remember).
Sumach Merge	Posted - 2009.12.02 12:03:00 - [25] plenty of ****s that dont use the instaundock tbh. plenty of ****s using untanked t1 industrial/blockade runners with hundreds of mil in cargo too.
Gibbo3771	Posted - 2009.12.02 20:05:00 - [26] carebears undocking in deadspace/officer fit tengu's 2-3 Tempest, sorted
Waukesha Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.12.03 00:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Sumach Merge ITT: People fail at maths. Maelstrom does more turret alpha than the Tempest despite not having a damage bonus 8x1 = 8 effective turrets. 6x1.25 = 7.5 effective turrets. Although I guess you get two unbonused siege launchers on the Tempest, if thats what you meant. Some gankers want to keep the cost right down, some are willing to pay a bit more to ensure the job is done, or on harder jobs. You sir fail at economics and maths, pls go back to mining
Malande Amarr Deepcore Mining and Engineering	Posted - 2009.12.03 02:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Gibbo3771 carebears undocking in deadspace/officer fit tengu's 2-3 Tempest, sorted Good understanding of EvE you have there >.> strategic cruiser on undock going ~500-600m/s with most likely 80% resists is going to take more than 2-3 tempests to 1 shot it -.-
Helena C	Posted - 2009.12.03 04:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Lady Spank My main just finished Amarr Battleship V. And because of this you would make a wonderful Tempest pilot.
Tau Dades Caldari Even End of the Universe	Posted - 2009.12.03 04:37:00 - [30] Originally by: TimMc Fist off, concord will pop you. LIEZ!

Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.12.03 09:23:00 - [31] I've been wondering about something. What would happen if you sat near that undock, aligned and at speed towards a planet. You then one-volley a hauler, and instawarp to the planet, waiting for you there is an alt or a buddy that can ALSO fly the tempest. Immediately after landing on top of the capsule of your waiting friend, you eject from the ship. Your buddy then boards the ship immediately as well. Would it be possible to keep the ship from being concorded this way?
Anttonn	Posted - 2009.12.03 09:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Helicity Boson I've been wondering about something. What would happen if you sat near that undock, aligned and at speed towards a planet. You then one-volley a hauler, and instawarp to the planet, waiting for you there is an alt or a buddy that can ALSO fly the tempest. Immediately after landing on top of the capsule of your waiting friend, you eject from the ship. Your buddy then boards the ship immediately as well. Would it be possible to keep the ship from being concorded this way? I'm pretty sure avoiding concord is considered an exploit. Maybe I'm making that up in my head...I can't remember anymore
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Violent Society	Posted - 2009.12.03 09:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Arrunca Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? I would with minmatar battleship L5 as the 25% damage bonus would cancel out the extra damage from 2 more guns... And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. Confirming 6 * 1.25 > 8 Also, ISK loss is negligible, hulls are still free with insurance, last I checked.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.12.03 09:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Anttonn I'm pretty sure avoiding concord is considered an exploit. Maybe I'm making that up in my head...I can't remember anymore I know that, which is why I am wondering if this is currently possible, and thus an exploit needing a fix.
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2009.12.04 14:57:00 - [35] Originally by: IHaveTenFingers Confirming 6 * 1.25 > 8 ten fingers and still cant count
PFI Alt	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Anttonn I'm pretty sure avoiding concord is considered an exploit. Maybe I'm making that up in my head...I can't remember anymore I know that, which is why I am wondering if this is currently possible, and thus an exploit needing a fix. Because you're totally not going to do it if it is possible. Not that I really mind
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:35:00 - [37] Originally by: PFI Alt Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Anttonn I'm pretty sure avoiding concord is considered an exploit. Maybe I'm making that up in my head...I can't remember anymore I know that, which is why I am wondering if this is currently possible, and thus an exploit needing a fix. Because you're totally not going to do it if it is possible. Not that I really mind You're right I won't. Primarily because I cannot fly minmatar BSs or use large projectiles :P
Red Thunder tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Malande Originally by: Gibbo3771 carebears undocking in deadspace/officer fit tengu's 2-3 Tempest, sorted Good understanding of EvE you have there >.> strategic cruiser on undock going ~500-600m/s with most likely 80% resists is going to take more than 2-3 tempests to 1 shot it -.- the tengu will be moving away from the undock so transversal will be 0 if you sit infront of it, and the tengu will most likely use active hardeners which will be off when he undocks....so yea 2-4 tempests could do it with emp i think. If you dont believe me, just have a look through some nightmare losses, people instapop them in highsec with 7-10 ravens easily
Pater Peccavi Minmatar The Bastards	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? Play him out keyboard cat... What does that mean? To end the show? _________
Decayes Dark Twilight Solutions	Posted - 2009.12.08 23:22:00 - [40] Originally by: IHaveTenFingers Originally by: Arrunca Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? I would with minmatar battleship L5 as the 25% damage bonus would cancel out the extra damage from 2 more guns... And tempest would be a smaller loss isk wise. Confirming 6 * 1.25 > 8 Also, ISK loss is negligible, hulls are still free with insurance, last I checked. gotta admit ten mate, that is pretty ******ed..

Aerilis	Posted - 2009.12.12 23:14:00 - [41] Edited by: Aerilis on 12/12/2009 23:14:33 Edited by: Aerilis on 12/12/2009 23:14:23 Originally by: Pater Peccavi Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Drakan290 Who would use a Tempest when a Maelstrom has 8 guns? Play him out keyboard cat... What does that mean? To end the show? Let me google that for you
Empire Dweller Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.12.13 02:45:00 - [42] Edited by: Empire Dweller on 13/12/2009 02:47:57 Originally by: Helicity Boson I've been wondering about something. What would happen if you sat near that undock, aligned and at speed towards a planet. You then one-volley a hauler, and instawarp to the planet, waiting for you there is an alt or a buddy that can ALSO fly the tempest. Immediately after landing on top of the capsule of your waiting friend, you eject from the ship. Your buddy then boards the ship immediately as well. Would it be possible to keep the ship from being concorded this way? Concord spawns everytime you come out of warp- if you have an infinite amount of safe spots (and a fast aligning ship) you can evade them till you get bored (or unlucky). Reuse one of those safe spots and you will find concord waiting for you there. Stay in one spot a second too long and they scram you before you can go to warp. The eject and have a buddy get into it is an interesting proposal. If i had to bet one of two things are applicable. 1. it cant be completed in time- concord will always kill your ship before your buddy can get into it 2. Concord has the ship marked for death- ownership at that point is irrelevent
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.12.13 17:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Helicity Boson I've been wondering about something. What would happen if you sat near that undock, aligned and at speed towards a planet. You then one-volley a hauler, and instawarp to the planet, waiting for you there is an alt or a buddy that can ALSO fly the tempest. Immediately after landing on top of the capsule of your waiting friend, you eject from the ship. Your buddy then boards the ship immediately as well. Would it be possible to keep the ship from being concorded this way? IF a ship is being targeted while it is empty, only the owner of the ship (read: last person in it) can board it. Concord will insta-target your ship the moment it drops out of warp. You will eject, and your buddy will not be able to board. And of course, anything you board for the next 15mins will be popped. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Malande Originally by: Gibbo3771 carebears undocking in deadspace/officer fit tengu's 2-3 Tempest, sorted Good understanding of EvE you have there >.> strategic cruiser on undock going ~500-600m/s with most likely 80% resists is going to take more than 2-3 tempests to 1 shot it -.- with 2 cn invluns and a cn photon a tengu has just under 28k ehp against republic fleet emp. if the hardeners aren't on he will have just over 15k ehp. assuming the pretty cookie cutter active tanked setup, as them pithum boosters is good isk. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage MACHI MISCHIEF	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:22:00 - [45] For some reason my Tempest has 8 guns and a 25% damage bonus... Hate Farmers? Click Here
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Anttonn I'm pretty sure avoiding concord is considered an exploit. Maybe I'm making that up in my head...I can't remember anymore I know that, which is why I am wondering if this is currently possible, and thus an exploit needing a fix. Well, instead of hopping into a pod with your main, you could hop into a shuttle that has been prepared at the point where you come out of warp. The shuttle gets blown up by CONCORD. You have not evaded CONCORD, thus no exploit.
TimMc Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:57:00 - [47] Originally by: voogru For some reason my Tempest has 8 guns and a 25% damage bonus... Confirming tribal tempest is an excellent suicide ship.


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